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Donald Trump has made a complete mockery of FAUX News and the GOPU (Original Post) DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 OP
Is there any substance at all to his accusations about Cruz being born in Canada? Lodestar Jan 2016 #1
Ted Cruz was born in Canada alcibiades_mystery Jan 2016 #4
There is no dispute. Cruz was born in Alberta, Canada. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #5
The practice since BEFORE the Hortensis Jan 2016 #11
The issue isn't whether Cruz was born in Canada. rsdsharp Jan 2016 #6
The video of him saying Cruz could be the Canadian P.M. was hilarious. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #8
Great analogy...P.T. Barnum...haha! However I don't believe ANYTHING Lodestar Jan 2016 #9
He was given a list of historical figures including Barnum. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #10
Apparently Cruz didn't do too well last night flamingdem Jan 2016 #2
Trump won the debate by not showing up. DemocratSinceBirth Jan 2016 #3
Good, I want the GOP to implode! Iliyah Jan 2016 #7
on some visceral level, I would agree. ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2016 #12

Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
1. Is there any substance at all to his accusations about Cruz being born in Canada?
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:22 PM
Jan 2016

I'm guessing not, but am curious what it's based on.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
5. There is no dispute. Cruz was born in Alberta, Canada.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jan 2016

The dispute is over whether he meets the Constitutional mandate that the president must be a naturalized American citizen.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
11. The practice since BEFORE the
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jan 2016

establishment of our nation and continuing up to today has always been that people in Cruz's situation are citizens. Of course. Who'd go lunch with a friend across the border in Canada if it could literally cost her unborn child his CITIZENSHIP?

Technically the Constitution is a little blurry, but in real life as long as one of his parents was an America citizen when Cruz was born, he is too. This is just Trump being Trump.

rsdsharp

(9,164 posts)
6. The issue isn't whether Cruz was born in Canada.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:31 PM
Jan 2016

He was, indisputably.

The question is whether he qualifies as "natural born citizen," being born outside the U.S., but to a mother who was a U.S. citizen.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
8. The video of him saying Cruz could be the Canadian P.M. was hilarious.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:39 PM
Jan 2016

He really is P.T. Barnum with a racist, misogynistic, and xenophobic streak.

Take that away and he would have a compelling personality but is there is a Trump without that?

Lodestar

(2,388 posts)
9. Great analogy...P.T. Barnum...haha! However I don't believe ANYTHING
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:19 PM
Jan 2016

he says including the racist, misogynistic...et al...comments. He will say
ANYTHING that serves him in the moment and say the exact opposite thing in the next.
Truth is people don't have any idea WHAT Donald Trump really thinks...and clearly neither
does Trump. Nor does he care about these trivialities. It's all about the end result and any
means to that end. In that sense he's fairly liberal as he doesn't get caught up in such
trivialities and biases. If it works it works, if it doesn't he's against it. It's also why he doesn't
have the temperament to be president or at least one who operates democratically. He's used
to being THE decider for his own interests and really doesn't have much interest in the rest, nor the
patience for a democratic process. He is, afterall, a 1%'er and business man who is only interested
in the bottom line. And corporations are not run like democracies.

DemocratSinceBirth

(99,710 posts)
10. He was given a list of historical figures including Barnum.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:27 PM
Jan 2016

He embraced that comparison.

If you took away the bigoted crap he's a great showman/salesperson. As a former salesperson I can see his appeal. But again, is he Trump without the bigoted crap?



flamingdem

(39,313 posts)
2. Apparently Cruz didn't do too well last night
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 01:25 PM
Jan 2016

Now the final stake from his rival. Trump may well win. Then what? Gak.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
12. on some visceral level, I would agree.
Fri Jan 29, 2016, 02:47 PM
Jan 2016

But, Iraq was stable, mostly at peace before we removed Hussein from power. What we have now is a Bush-based quagmire that may not resolve its problems for a generation.

Three of the hallmark factors which describe the more conservative rectal portion of the GOP are:

Guns
Anger
Ignorance

If the GOP implodes, neither those factors, nor the morons who own them are going away. They will simply have more incentive to proudly proclaim and display their ignorance, stoke their anger to unmanageable levels, and use their guns. Oregon is just a hint of the problems they would welcome.

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