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Ouch "The reason why I’m a conservative is because I’ve been on public assistance my whole life" (Original Post) kpete Jan 2016 OP
I'm not going to trash this person. He's obviously suffered a lot in his life. drm604 Jan 2016 #1
He's a fucking moron. Marr Jan 2016 #14
I agree with you. smirkymonkey Feb 2016 #31
He's internalized all the poor-shaming the Republicans do. eShirl Jan 2016 #22
Sounds like he also has an undiagnosed irony deficiency. Qutzupalotl Jan 2016 #2
Good one! Person 2713 Jan 2016 #5
I had no idea we had finally discovered life K-22-5Rs-14 BlueJazz Jan 2016 #3
That is fucked up. Gidney N Cloyd Jan 2016 #4
What sort of hand-ups does he think Cruz will provide? LonePirate Jan 2016 #6
Sounds like he wants a job treestar Jan 2016 #7
A guy in my office talks like this. louis-t Jan 2016 #8
He belongs to what traditional Marxist analysis calls the "lumpenproletariat," workers KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #29
Makes me almost wish SheilaT Jan 2016 #9
If it weren't for the "plenty of handouts" truebluegreen Jan 2016 #10
No one is forcing him to accept the assistance. old guy Jan 2016 #11
Apparently this guy doesn't understand 2 words: public assistance. Vinca Jan 2016 #12
This is an idea of somebody's great joke. UCmeNdc Jan 2016 #13
Check out Wikipedia for 'lumpenproletariat': KingCharlemagne Feb 2016 #30
I can understand the shame he may feel. dmr Jan 2016 #15
This is one quote taken from many in the original New York Magazine article VMA131Marine Jan 2016 #16
I know a conservative small business owner. Aerows Jan 2016 #17
Born with a disability and hates himself for it. Is he Catholic? NickB79 Jan 2016 #18
It's present in other denominations too Bradical79 Feb 2016 #36
Sanders is about explaining just how much we get out of government MisterP Jan 2016 #19
This guy has some pretty serious mental issues hifiguy Jan 2016 #20
half the population is of below-average intelligence renate Jan 2016 #21
k UTUSN Jan 2016 #23
An idiot an a liar! There are time limits on Liberal_Stalwart71 Feb 2016 #24
A lot of time limits are waived for disability. Kalidurga Feb 2016 #26
This is how they try to sleep at night after voting against their own best interests. ScreamingMeemie Feb 2016 #25
On another track, I remember when people like this were often employed rurallib Feb 2016 #27
I have run into a large newblewtoo Feb 2016 #28
Why does this remind me of the "world without Zinc" cartoon from the Simpsons? Johonny Feb 2016 #32
Yes, clearly the goodwill of others is something to despise and loath. Rex Feb 2016 #33
Has anyone told him the GOP ideal scenario is... Takket Feb 2016 #34
Here is the original source. Read'em and weep: WinkyDink Feb 2016 #35
Typical republican finger pointer, look at them not me. B Calm Feb 2016 #37

drm604

(16,230 posts)
1. I'm not going to trash this person. He's obviously suffered a lot in his life.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:01 PM
Jan 2016

But someone needs to point out to him the contradictions in his thinking.

He's probably been raised to think that conservative = upright, moral, Christian, etc., and liberal = immoral, elitist, disdainful of people like himself, etc.

He's trying to rationalize the disconnect between his unfortunate dependence and his conservatism by blaming his dependence on liberals.

 

Marr

(20,317 posts)
14. He's a fucking moron.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:15 PM
Jan 2016

I don't see why a physical disability should make someone's comments instantly worthy of respectful consideration. His position is self-contradictory and almost too idiotic to even address.

LonePirate

(13,417 posts)
6. What sort of hand-ups does he think Cruz will provide?
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:12 PM
Jan 2016

Or will Cruz cuts to or elimination of his public assistance finally inspire him to find a job he can perform - inspiration he clearly lacks while accepting public assistance now?

I don't know if people like Mr. Kolb are simply brainwashed or if they are genuinely stupid.

louis-t

(23,292 posts)
8. A guy in my office talks like this.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jan 2016

He was on food stamps, welfare, Medicaid, etc, and his family didn't starve. Now he's a Cruz guy and he's embarrassed that he was on assistance. I told him he's a hypocrite and full of self-hatred. I told him he's ok that he got assistance but doesn't want anyone else to have it. He also believes Reagan was some kind of god that inherited a "much worse economy than Obama" and his policies saved the world. He actually showed me his tax figures and said he was better off working less because his net income would be the same if he made $71,000 a year or $50,000 a year. Something about a $6,000 government benefit he got that would disappear if he made more. It makes my head hurt to talk to him. Fundie, also. Hates the gays and immigrants.

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
29. He belongs to what traditional Marxist analysis calls the "lumpenproletariat," workers
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:41 AM
Feb 2016

who are incapable of rising to become members of the bourgeoisie but also incapable of developing even a rudimentary class consciousness. IOW, unreachable and a waste of your time and effort.

 

SheilaT

(23,156 posts)
9. Makes me almost wish
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:30 PM
Jan 2016

the ultra conservatives would get more fully in power and cut this guy, and everyone else who is on public assistance, off. Because starving in the streets is so much more dignified.

And no, I don't really want him or anyone else starving in the streets, but Jesus H Christ!

 

truebluegreen

(9,033 posts)
10. If it weren't for the "plenty of handouts"
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:33 PM
Jan 2016

his "whole life" would have been a whole lot nastier, more brutal and shorter.

old guy

(3,283 posts)
11. No one is forcing him to accept the assistance.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 02:38 PM
Jan 2016

If he feels this strongly about this issue, he should turn down the help and go it alone, like any good repub should.

Vinca

(50,269 posts)
12. Apparently this guy doesn't understand 2 words: public assistance.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:01 PM
Jan 2016

It's like the old teabaggers with their signs "Keep Government Hands Off My Medicare."

 

KingCharlemagne

(7,908 posts)
30. Check out Wikipedia for 'lumpenproletariat':
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:43 AM
Feb 2016
Lumpenproletariat is a term that was originally coined by Karl Marx to describe the layer of the working class that is unlikely ever to achieve class consciousness and is therefore lost to socially useful production, of no use to the revolutionary struggle, and perhaps even an impediment to the realization of a classless society.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lumpenproletariat

dmr

(28,347 posts)
15. I can understand the shame he may feel.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:21 PM
Jan 2016

There are plenty of pious people who instill that on all of us. They make judgements without facts. The shame is on them.

There's also the embarrassment not being able to provide for oneself or their family.

But these benefits are there for a reason. It is for Americans just like him.

I want my tax dollars to help him. I don't want him to suffer. Being ill, and having to live with its limitations is enough for one human. If my tax dollars ease his quality of life in any way, that's a good thing.

I would hope good, salt of the earth Americans would agree.

VMA131Marine

(4,138 posts)
16. This is one quote taken from many in the original New York Magazine article
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 03:43 PM
Jan 2016

I read all the rest and if these people get to decide who runs the country we are doomed. There are an astonishing number of teachers interviewed who seem to be going Trump or Cruz, including one who wants to get rid of the Department of Education. The Paul supporters seem the most sane:


http://nymag.com/daily/intelligencer/2016/01/iowa-new-hampshire-gop-voters-poll.html?mid=twitter_nymag

 

Aerows

(39,961 posts)
17. I know a conservative small business owner.
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:04 PM
Jan 2016

All about personal responsibility, loves Cruz.

He and his girlfriend are not married, because were she to marry him, they would lose their public assistance, (they have two kids), food stamps and housing allotment.

They own a business for heaven's sake. He lives with her. But, boy is he all about personal responsibility for everybody else!

NickB79

(19,233 posts)
18. Born with a disability and hates himself for it. Is he Catholic?
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:06 PM
Jan 2016

It sounds like the original sin bullshit I was raised with as a kid going to a Catholic church.

Hate yourself for something entirely out of your control, and beg for forgiveness for something you didn't do.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
36. It's present in other denominations too
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 05:48 PM
Feb 2016

I went to a Sunday school class when I was a kid, and the teacher told us people born with disabilities were that way because of demon possession as some sort of punishment.

MisterP

(23,730 posts)
19. Sanders is about explaining just how much we get out of government
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jan 2016

40% on assistance don't even realize it, and either think they were "born on third base and hit a triple" and think they can do even better without taxes and regulations (suburbia's full of these types--also the PQ) or they're snowjobbed into thinking that they're being sponged off by the big cities (Duck Dynasty's comments in Louisiana)

and of course they're set up to feel immensely guilty and to hate anyone on the dole, so they compensate psychologically by hating "welfare queens" even harder and more loudly, and pretending that theirs is a special circumstance, or "forgetting" where their money comes from

that's another big shift the campaign's bringing--reveal rather than conceal what Washington's doing for you: take Amtrak (please!): the GOP always screams to the rafters that it's not profitable (while pilfering from even the Fed to pay for freeways) and that it's breaking the bank--but the least-profitable parts are the transcons (because the trains run longer, meaning more overhead) and you can't touch a single stop because states with Red Senators have little enough infrastructure as it is and the voters depend on Amtrak: they want more service each way, they want trains TX-CO, TX-IL, they want the Desert Wind, the Pioneer, the Hiawatha, the Gulf Breeze, the Hawkeye--touch Amtrak and there's gonna be 48 of the rightiest rightists demanding the Acela riders pay for their commuters

this is like Cruz and his "Federal aid for TX only!" attitude (also lets them take credit and efface Washington's involvement, that it's just their state's due, some people paid by a mysterious source cleaning up your area)




if they admit that the government is helping them out, then they're outing themselves as the "taker states" they scream about so much, just as how poor whites are the biggest number of welfare cases


the end of such mushroom politics is ending, where pols flatter and fascitize their voters by reversing reality

renate

(13,776 posts)
21. half the population is of below-average intelligence
Sun Jan 31, 2016, 07:12 PM
Jan 2016

No judgment--there's nothing morally superior about being of above-average intelligence, it's just good luck--but just sayin'.

 

Liberal_Stalwart71

(20,450 posts)
24. An idiot an a liar! There are time limits on
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 08:51 AM
Feb 2016

receipt of public assistance, typically 5 years. And indeed, there are work requirements that are tied to assistance, typically recipients are required to be employed at least part time.

These people are full of shit!

rurallib

(62,406 posts)
27. On another track, I remember when people like this were often employed
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:21 AM
Feb 2016

by federal, state and local governments. They were often found jobs that they could do that wouldn't strain them yet would contribute.

My wife had a brain bleed during birth of our youngest. She continued to work at her job for 15 years though some of the duties were changed slightly to accommodate her handicap.
Then BAM! new rules based on efficiencies etc. and in a month she was home doing nothing, collecting disability and feeling like yesterday's garbage thrown out and useless.

Whn I was young I remember my dad and his frequent trips to the state run liquor store. All the guys (all men back then) were disabled, many from the war. they were slow, sometimes cantankerous, but they all had the dignity of a job.

Now we can't do such things because we have to cut taxes for the rich.

Sounds to me like that guy wants to contribute and have the dignity of a job where he is needed by society.

newblewtoo

(667 posts)
28. I have run into a large
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 09:32 AM
Feb 2016

number of long term disabled who feel this way over the course of my several careers. I emphasize that the key seems to be disabled as opposed to those down on their luck due to divorce or layoff. Most feel that the system inhibits them from doing more on their own (which in some cases may have been true) but it is mostly wishful thinking. They all want to be independent and seem to rationalize that if the 'case worker' or whomever would only get out of their way they could make it. This has been true for both the mentally and physically challenged I have known and worked with over the years. Both classes are among the most loyal employee.

I will see a large number of disabled at the polls shortly. There is a group home in our ward which brings a couple van loads to vote. And yes, it does make some people noticeably uncomfortable when they are there voting.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
33. Yes, clearly the goodwill of others is something to despise and loath.
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:38 PM
Feb 2016

And when the state does it, we should be reminded of how ashamed we are that goodwill exists even at that level.

I sometimes get so depressed for GOPers and their inability to connect the world's dots. That kind of existence is sad in so many different ways.

Takket

(21,563 posts)
34. Has anyone told him the GOP ideal scenario is...
Mon Feb 1, 2016, 01:45 PM
Feb 2016

an end to all public assistance, meaning he would have nothing at all, and be starving to death in the gutter?

Yeah, keep waiting for the "hand up." I'm sure its coming real soon.

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