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cheyanne

(733 posts)
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 03:19 PM Feb 2016

He has gone to his just reward . . . and here is Scalia telling us just why democracy went wrong.

There has been a lot of articles about Scalia's "originalism" but not much about his religious basis for political "originalism".

However, in an article about his views on capital punishment “God’s Justice and Ours” http://www.firstthings.com/article/2002/05/gods-justice-and-ours, Scalia explains his basis for this belief.

Divine right never died.

Scalia explains that in past times the majority of people were told that rulers gained their authority directly from god. And this was backed by a pageant of ceremonies that connected the god and the ruler. However, with democracy, it is not so self-evident to people that the state recieves its authority from god (because politicians, elections and other malarkey.)
But the state’s authority in a democracy is derived from god just as it is in a monarchy.

Divine right means that the Constitution was divinely ordained at its inception to further the aims of god through civil authority.

He believed the Constitution is not a living document, just as the bible is not a living document, and therefore society’s views of judgments and punishments should not change, but must adhere to the god’s word as given in the bible.

God has given the government the authority to judge and punish in accordance with god’s laws.

Thus because God punished with death, the state can also punish with death.

Civil rights not mentioned in the bible are not legitimate.

For example, since there is no mention of a right of abortion in the bible it can not be a legitimate civil right.

In other words, Scalia did not believe in the separation of church and state . . . He should never have been a lawyer, much less a judge.


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He has gone to his just reward . . . and here is Scalia telling us just why democracy went wrong. (Original Post) cheyanne Feb 2016 OP
American is better without him SoLeftIAmRight Feb 2016 #1
The link did not work. Although I am not a Scalia fan, I would have liked to have read the actual politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2016 #2
Let me try again . . . cheyanne Feb 2016 #5
That one worked. Thanks a lot. Good reading material. politicaljunkie41910 Feb 2016 #7
Scalia was no hero of mine world wide wally Feb 2016 #3
Invisible sky wizards are fairy tales hifiguy Feb 2016 #4
Didn't the Founders think that originally? Octafish Feb 2016 #8
They were deists nearly to a man. hifiguy Feb 2016 #9
someone wanna remind me why this guy was declared so brilliant... KG Feb 2016 #6

politicaljunkie41910

(3,335 posts)
2. The link did not work. Although I am not a Scalia fan, I would have liked to have read the actual
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 04:36 PM
Feb 2016

passages and draw my own conclusion. Is it possible to provide a link that works, or does one have to subscribe in order to log on to the linked document?

cheyanne

(733 posts)
5. Let me try again . . .
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 11:38 PM
Feb 2016
http://www.firstthings.com/article/2002/05/gods-justice-and-ours

The website is called "First Things" and the article is "God's Justice and Ours".

This link seemed to work for me . . . but here it is copied from the web site.

http://www.firstthings.com/article/2002/05/gods-justice-and-ours

let me know if it still doesn't work.

thanks.
 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
4. Invisible sky wizards are fairy tales
Sat Feb 20, 2016, 07:02 PM
Feb 2016

Sensible people outgrow. And no basis for political organization.

Octafish

(55,745 posts)
8. Didn't the Founders think that originally?
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 02:14 AM
Feb 2016

It's not taught much in the charter schools, but I seem to remember they separated church and state when they drew up the Constitution thing we used to have, before Scalia.

 

hifiguy

(33,688 posts)
9. They were deists nearly to a man.
Sun Feb 21, 2016, 03:24 AM
Feb 2016

Washington, Jefferson, Madison and Adams definitely were. They believed god set the universe in motion and played no part in human affairs. Ol' Ben Franklin just might have been an atheist or at least a strongly doubting agnostic.

The "wall of separation" came directly from Jefferson's writings. It's a direct quote.

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