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Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:01 PM

 

Please don't repeat the Nader blaming if Clinton loses a close one.

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We're all familiar with the notion that Nader cost Gore the presidency because Nader pulled enough Democratic votes to cover the margin of victory in Florida. That's true, but about ten times as many registered Democrats voted for George Dubya as voted for Nader. There is a possibility this situation could come up again in 2016, so let's resolve right now to not blame Bernie Sanders if Clinton loses, and the margin is covered by the write-in votes for Bernie. This is ours to lose, no matter which candidate we choose. If we can't beat Trump or any of the rest of them, we all share the responsibility. I don't want to see a bunch of finger pointing, stomping sour grapes, or whatever cliche' seems to describe a bunch of angry Democrats trying to blame others for their loss. OK, yeah, I know some will do it anyway. Anything to avoid facing up to the truth. Let's hope it doesn't happen.

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Reply Please don't repeat the Nader blaming if Clinton loses a close one. (Original post)
HassleCat Feb 2016 OP
ohnoyoudidnt Feb 2016 #1
Kaleva Feb 2016 #2
LiberalElite Feb 2016 #4
LiberalElite Feb 2016 #3
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #5
Zing Zing Zingbah Feb 2016 #6
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #7
Zing Zing Zingbah Feb 2016 #10
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #12
malokvale77 Feb 2016 #9
nadinbrzezinski Feb 2016 #13
lame54 Feb 2016 #8
HassleCat Feb 2016 #14
malokvale77 Feb 2016 #11
longship Feb 2016 #15
one_voice Feb 2016 #16

Response to HassleCat (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:11 PM

1. This would be a little different.

You can't blame Bernie if he doesn't run an independent if Hillary gets the nomination.

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Response to HassleCat (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:14 PM

2. Is Bernie planning on running as an independent in the general election?

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Response to Kaleva (Reply #2)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:15 PM

4. He has always maintained he will not do that nt

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Response to HassleCat (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:15 PM

3. Nice sentiment but - Clinton has not been made the nominee as of 2/22/16. nt

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Response to HassleCat (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:18 PM

5. They will not blame sanders, he is not running as an indie

 

(Though that would be Mike Bloomberg)

They will blame the usual suspect, round the usual suspect. THE VOTERS

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:42 PM

6. Is Michael Bloomberg a for sure thing yet?

I thought he was just maybe going to run, but hasn't committed to it yet.

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Response to Zing Zing Zingbah (Reply #6)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:50 PM

7. He is doing the exploratory

 

but he said that if either Sanders or Trump wins the nomination he will throw his hat in as an indy.

And I am not alone anymore (I did in August) in saying that the R nominee will be Donald J Trump.

On the bright side, for the Hillary fans. bloomberg might do to HCR what Perot did to her husband in 1992. If he does throw it in... that changes the dynamics.

If it is Trump-v Clinton, I stated why I think she will lose, ultimately in an OP today.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #7)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:57 PM

10. Does anyone know how long Bloomberg has to decide on running? n/t

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Response to Zing Zing Zingbah (Reply #10)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:09 PM

12. a couple of months at most after the last convenstion

 

and I am sure they are already doing things like getting him into the ballot or looking at the legalities of it.

He has, like Trump, more money than god and lawyers.

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Response to nadinbrzezinski (Reply #5)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:55 PM

9. They will blame everybody...

but the real culprits.

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Response to malokvale77 (Reply #9)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:10 PM

13. Yup, agreed

 

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Response to HassleCat (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:54 PM

8. bullshit post...

way too many factors - many illegal - that cost Gore the election

Nader ran legally and earned his votes

to throw that out there like there is a universal understanding that Nader is to blame for the election results is wrong

I reject that notion

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Response to lame54 (Reply #8)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:13 PM

14. Oh, it's definitely wrong.

 

And the assumption about Nader is not universal, but it's really, really popular.

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Response to HassleCat (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 10:59 PM

11. It's a stupid notion...

Anything, rather than admit that the "Party" has abandoned it's base.

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Response to HassleCat (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:24 PM

15. That would be a silly argument.

And I am a Bernie supporter. But that argument would be ridiculous.

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Response to HassleCat (Original post)

Mon Feb 22, 2016, 11:34 PM

16. Locking..

doesn't meet SoP for GD.

Posts about the Democratic candidates/Democratic Primaries belong in GDP.

Please re-post in GDP.

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