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2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 04:51 PM Jun 2012

Why this "secure boot" from Microsoft is a load of bullcrap...

...and was made only to keep people from installing other OSs on their machines. Or from using their perfectly functioning, perfectly licensed copies of Win XP or 7. An anti-customer idea they saw Apple doing and just LOVED. Hell, even Apple is slightly more friendly with you installing other OSs on Macs. (But I'll keep avoiding them too nonetheless.)

Secure, my ass.

Give Microsoft the finger. Use Linux. (Or a BSD Unix if that's more your fancy.)

http://www.securityweek.com/microsoft-unauthorized-certificate-was-used-sign-flame-malware

Microsoft Certificate Was Used to Sign "Flame" Malware
[font size="-1"]By Mike Lennon on June 04, 2012[/font]
Microsoft: Techniques Used By Flame Could Be Used By Less Sophisticated Attackers to Launch Widespread Attacks

On Sunday, Microsoft reached out to customers and notified the public that it had discovered unauthorized digital certificates that “chain up” to a Microsoft sub-certification authority issued under the Microsoft Root Authority.

Interestingly, there is a direct connection between this discovery and the recently discovered “Flame” malware (also known as Flamer and sKyWIper). While many have said the enterprise threat posed by “Flame” is minimal, Microsoft is now warning that some of the techniques used by components of Flame could be leveraged by less sophisticated attackers to conduct more widespread attacks, namely in malware using unauthorized certificates in order to appear to be legitimate software coming from Microsoft.

Microsoft certification authority signing certificates added to the Untrusted Certificate StoreWhile these security issues are not Flame-specific, and could be used in other forms of unrelated malware, Microsoft was able to identify components of the Flame malware that had been signed with a certificate that ultimately chained up to the Microsoft Root Authority.

“We have discovered through our analysis that some components of the malware have been signed by certificates that allow software to appear as if it was produced by Microsoft,” Microsoft Security Response Center’s Jonathan Ness wrote in a blog post. “We identified that an older cryptography algorithm could be exploited and then be used to sign code as if it originated from Microsoft. Specifically, our Terminal Server Licensing Service, which allowed customers to authorize Remote Desktop services in their enterprise, used that older algorithm and provided certificates with the ability to sign code, thus permitting code to be signed as if it came from Microsoft.”


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Why this "secure boot" from Microsoft is a load of bullcrap... (Original Post) 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 OP
I have Linux installed as a second OS..... AverageJoe90 Jun 2012 #1
It's part of Windows8, not 7 Occulus Jun 2012 #4
If it's turned on in the BIOS, which MS will require OEMs to do. joshcryer Jun 2012 #6
For now. In the first version of this standard. 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #18
High end PC users which drive the technology won't stand for it. joshcryer Jun 2012 #19
I sure as hell hope you're right. 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #21
Users will hate it, hackers will love it! Zalatix Jun 2012 #2
M$ free for 11 years and counting. No virus threat, no bloatware, no spyware, Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #3
Linux, right? AverageJoe90 Jun 2012 #7
Yep. I came out of a UNIX background so it was only natural. I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 quite regularly Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #9
I'm running ubuntu 10.10 fixing to upgrade to 11.04 and I use AutoCad 2000 on my machine madokie Jun 2012 #14
I reboot once a month if I think about it, try that with any M$ OS. n/t Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #16
The whole MS anti-trust thing was about this issue, but it got turned into "IE." joshcryer Jun 2012 #5
Another sin of Bill Clinton for which we all pay a heavy price and for which I'll never forgive him. Egalitarian Thug Jun 2012 #10
The only way I'll ever deploy Windows 8 on anything will be as a virtual machine slackmaster Jun 2012 #8
My tech prediction for the day IDemo Jun 2012 #11
For me it's 2003 Server slackmaster Jun 2012 #13
I'm actually on a triple-boot machine: W7, XP and Linux Mint IDemo Jun 2012 #15
WS 2003 has the delightful property of being unable to use my HP printer slackmaster Jun 2012 #17
Doesn't Win8 write or have its own its own bios? nt CK_John Jun 2012 #12
BIOS is typically firmware/hardware, so a piece of software can't have its own. EOTE Jun 2012 #23
UEFI secure boot allows any appropriately signed os and bootloader to boot. Warren Stupidity Jun 2012 #20
"The linux community is also supporting the UEFI standard for secure boot" = extraordinary claim. 2ndAmForComputers Jun 2012 #22

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
6. If it's turned on in the BIOS, which MS will require OEMs to do.
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 06:58 PM
Jun 2012

It can still be turned off in the BIOS.

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
18. For now. In the first version of this standard.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 01:18 PM
Jun 2012

I expect worse in the future. That is, unless there's backlash enough right now.

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
19. High end PC users which drive the technology won't stand for it.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 07:38 PM
Jun 2012

I'm not saying we shouldn't worry, of course, I'm just saying that in the end I don't think MS wins this one. I think a bunch of Dell's will have the option turned on as per MS's requirement, but I think that the drive will be to push back against it and MS may, and I stress may here, have an anti-trust lawsuit to deal with. They'll claim that since the user can turn it off it's no big deal but there should be an argument that the default behavior is still going to hurt other OS's.

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
21. I sure as hell hope you're right.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:06 PM
Jun 2012

I'm trying here to make my tiny contribution toward that end, as you see.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
3. M$ free for 11 years and counting. No virus threat, no bloatware, no spyware,
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 05:52 PM
Jun 2012

no sequoia-sized holes into the OS, no need for a Cray supercomputer to boot up and slog along, no "I'm sorry but the only thing you can do is wipe your whole system and start over again.", and this box is 6 years old and runs everything I throw at it.

Oh, and this is something many of you might like, it's all free.

 

AverageJoe90

(10,745 posts)
7. Linux, right?
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 07:35 PM
Jun 2012

I'm running Ubuntu 11.04 myself. I do still have Windows Vista, and will probably get Win 7 for gaming when I get my next computer, but Ubuntu's too good not to toss out.....which is why I'm staying away from Win 8 if it really does prohibit you from dual-booting.

 

Egalitarian Thug

(12,448 posts)
9. Yep. I came out of a UNIX background so it was only natural. I'm using Ubuntu 11.10 quite regularly
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 08:45 PM
Jun 2012

and I have to say that they've done an admirable job, doubly so because nobody's developing it just to get rich. I got the notice for 12.04 LTS, but haven't moved yet.

I inherited a valid copy of Win7 and intend to install it someday, But really it's just for games and the hardware reqs are so steep, I might just end up buying a Playstation for gaming (I just can't get the hang of the controllers).

madokie

(51,076 posts)
14. I'm running ubuntu 10.10 fixing to upgrade to 11.04 and I use AutoCad 2000 on my machine
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:41 PM
Jun 2012

and this machine is 10 years old and it'll still do anything I want to do with a computer. no anti-anything on here either and I've yet to have a problem.
fuck ms

joshcryer

(62,269 posts)
5. The whole MS anti-trust thing was about this issue, but it got turned into "IE."
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 06:57 PM
Jun 2012

Far be it for a corporation not disallow users from doing something which could hurt their bottom line.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
11. My tech prediction for the day
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:14 PM
Jun 2012

Many companies and most of those like me stubbornly clinging to desktop PC's will make Win-7 the next XP, running it for ten years or more.

IDemo

(16,926 posts)
15. I'm actually on a triple-boot machine: W7, XP and Linux Mint
Mon Jun 4, 2012, 09:42 PM
Jun 2012

And the XP partition is for someone here who isn't quite ready to try something new.

Unless you've a need to run a server, what does WS2003 do for a user that XP or Win7 wouldn't?

 

slackmaster

(60,567 posts)
17. WS 2003 has the delightful property of being unable to use my HP printer
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 12:05 AM
Jun 2012

But my Windows 2000 virtual machine can print on it just fine.

I don't know. I'm used to 2003 and it's rock-solid stable. The most stable Windows platform I have ever used. My system typically runs for several months without any need for a reboot.

EOTE

(13,409 posts)
23. BIOS is typically firmware/hardware, so a piece of software can't have its own.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:32 PM
Jun 2012

BIOS are almost always integrated into motherboards, so that's where you'll see this technology.

 

Warren Stupidity

(48,181 posts)
20. UEFI secure boot allows any appropriately signed os and bootloader to boot.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 08:18 PM
Jun 2012

Your post is a bit alarmist. First microsoft's requirements only apply to win8 and are only mandatory on ARM tablets, on other hardware UEFI secure boot is optional - as in you can turn it off and install anything. If you leave it on then you can only installed signed OS's. The linux community is also supporting the UEFI standard for secure boot, so you will be able to install signed linux distros on any platform with UEFI secure boot enabled, even ARM tablets.

The Industrial Strength Flame Malware, most likely a government issued computer virus, does indeed compromise code signing keys. Doing so has weakened an organized effort to lock malware root kits out of new hardware, an effort supported by the linux community. If you want to go off on somebody, might I suggest the Israeli/US intelligence agencies that put this crap out there?

2ndAmForComputers

(3,527 posts)
22. "The linux community is also supporting the UEFI standard for secure boot" = extraordinary claim.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:08 PM
Jun 2012

Which demands backing up.

If you're talking about the recent news of Red Had grudgingly acquiring a key, that can only be considered "support" in Pravda-level spin.

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