What the Hell is Bible Math?

[scrubthedata]

Shootings aren't the only tragedy going on in American schools.

According to the National Center for Education Statistics, there are approximately 57 million American kids in elementary schools. Shooters have killed 0.00012% of them in the last three years. But during that same time, 0.011% of other kids have been taught Bible math; 0.26% of them have been sent to jail and 9% of them attended schools where critical thinking is considered a tool to undermine authority. Some have been told to defend themselves against intruders with cans of corn, and many schools in Florida are not allowed to put narrative, fictional books on the syllabus.

Full article at Smashpipe:

[angstlessk]

1. Perhaps it's roman numerals?

Since that 'other' system is from those arabic countries?

[Albertoo]

4. The 'Arabic' numbers originated in India

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brahmi_numerals

[angstlessk]

14. Yes, that was the beginning, but enhanced by Persians, Arabs, Syrians et al

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Arabic_numerals

You are correct it all began in India...THANK THE GODS FOR INDIA!

[Albertoo]

40. With all due respect, Persians, Arabs and Syrians did not improve on the ten figures

They built on their use in Astronomy and Maths
But the 0 to 9 system and the placing order all came from India.
And, as you said, thank the godless universe for India

[LannyDeVaney]

2. Its starts with the premise that 231,400,000 = 5,000

Since dinosaurs were eating in the Garden of Eden.

It extends to physics, with water = wine

[Iggo]

3. That is some fancy math!

[underpants]

9. Ugggh Comon Core!!!

I saw another Common Core is so HARD video on Facebook this morning.

[Humanist_Activist]

16. I really don't understand this "Common Core is so hard" crap...

I watched a couple of videos on the variants used and realized I've been "practicing" common core math since I was a kid. The old method was so goddamned clumsy, I thought of it differently. After that, I never really thought about it, I'm no savant who can work calculate complex numbers in my head faster than a calculator, but I don't find math to be extremely difficult either.

Of course, I also got in trouble for not showing my work too many times.

[underpants]

21. I feel the same way.

The first story I saw was about a father sarcastically writing a check using Common Core blocks of 10. He wrote two different amounts on the check by the way. I checked out some parts of common core and was like "that's sort of how I've done it for a long time."

I'm considered good at math quick math. My wife is like a computer. We both do math left to right. It gets to a good number quickly. Cutting things into 1/10ths is my standard.

I developed a, hopefully, fun conspiracy about common core on my run this morning. Basically, cutting things down to 5's and 10's is a way to make people able to tip better-extrapolate that out to conditioning for food service- common "core" as in stomach = food, tie in to Soylent Green. The only way to stop is to buy more gold coins from Glenn Beck. ~~~that's the idea anyway.

[Humanist_Activist]

30. I think the problem is many people think math is the method used, when its not...

its the numbers and logical outcomes of adding, subtracting, multiplying and dividing them. The fact is there are multiple different ways to calculate this for each problem, even ways to visualize it, like with the 10 squares you mentioned. Not to mention, common core is just a base idea, things like the 10 square aren't required, but are something the teacher/district thought of to assist students in understand the concepts behind the math using a visual tool. No different than those word problems put in diagram form that we had as kids, 2 apples plus 2 apples equals 5 apples. Things like that.

Algebra is an extension of this, as long as the equation balances, it doesn't really matter what form it takes, even non-simplified.

[Dont call me Shirley]

28. My child has had such a crap time with that damned "Everyday Math". So many kids are failing

Pearson Common Core high school math in our district that the credit recovery classes are overflowing with waiting lists. A lot of seniors are not going to graduate this year.

[enlightenment]

5. Just finished reading a way too long

essay on bible math at the "Trinity Foundation" website, trying to figure out what it actually teaches.

Nothing, as far as I can tell - or "close is good enough" when it comes to calculating the diameter of a circle . . .

http://www.trinityfoundation.org/journal.php?id=55

It hurts when you can feel your brain cells wither and die. Don't try and figure out bible math.

[scrubthedata]

11. See post #2

that seems to boil down it down.

[Igel]

31. It says nothing surprising.

Can't fight the math.

So they find Bible justifications for all the usual properties taught about the real numbers from real analysis.

As for pi, they basically say, "Given the accuracy of measurements at the time, etc., etc." and allowing for rim thickness the pi = 3 number isn't that bad. Didn't see how they came up with that bit, don't care, but it's not revising math.

Just re-basing it away from formal proofs based on intuitive axioms to Bible proof-texting.

Meh.

[MisterP]

38. that's a lot of drachmas (well, not actually)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Indiana_Pi_Bill

if they really want to mix Biblical architecture and math, the Masons have had that covered since the 17th century

[jwirr]

6. More than likely refers to using various numbers found in

Biblical texts to teach regular math. Story problems relate to Bible stories.

On the other hand there are many rw churches that believe they can predict coming events based on Biblical numbers. Probably Cruz is a follower of this method.

[krispos42]

7. Pi = 3 (exactly)

II Chronicles 4:2

He made the Sea of cast metal, circular in shape, measuring ten cubits from rim to rim and five cubits high. It took a line of thirty cubits to measure around it.

https://www.biblegateway.com/passage/?search=2%20Chronicles%204:2

Bible rules, geometry drools. Suck it, LIEberals.

[yellowcanine]

8. I believe that in Bible math Pi = 3 instead of 3.14

1 Kings, 7:23. New American Bible:


The sea was then cast; it was made with a circular rim, and measured ten cubits across, five in height, and thirty in circumference.

[FSogol]

10. Here's my favorite Bible Math Word Problem

It comes from 2 Kings (that's 2nd Kings, not Two Kings, Mr. Trump), Chapter 2, verses 23-24 which read:

“Then he went up from there to Bethel; and as he was going up by the way, young lads came out from the city and mocked him and said to him, “Go up, you baldhead; go up, you baldhead!” 24 When he looked behind him and saw them, he cursed them in the name of the LORD. Then two female bears came out of the woods and tore up forty-two lads of their number.”

So, god send 2 bears to kill 42 kids for making fun of Elisha's bald spot. The problem is, who wants to worship a god like that?

[yellowcanine]

17. Have to admit that is some excellent smiting though.

The young lads likely did not mess with the Prophet Elisha after that.

[PatrickforO]

23. THAT is what I so liked about the movie, "Exodus, Gods and Men"

It depicted Yahweh as a vindictive child. The problem is that you can't have those kinds of powers and still be inhabiting a playground.

[snooper2]

24. Thanks for that! That is actually the basis for one of my favorite YouTube videos EVER!

[FSogol]

25. LOL. n/t

[Warren Stupidity]

12. Well that article is an example of nonsense numbers.

So it is very similar to bible math

[yuiyoshida]

13. use of the abacus?

[Wounded Bear]

18. Well they got one thing right...

Critical thinking does tend to undermine authority, especially authority based on bogus bullshit.

[randome]

19. Must have been a typo. I think they meant 'Bible Meth'.

Enough meth and any point of view becomes rock solid with statistics.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]A 90% chance of rain means the same as a 10% chance:
It might rain and it might not.[/center][/font][hr]

[Dont call me Shirley]

29. Breaking Bible Bad....

[mountain grammy]

34. very good!

[PatrickforO]

20. Wow. Well, I looked it up...

Here's an excerpt:

2. Arithmetical truth

It may surprise the reader to learn that not everyone agrees that ‘2 + 2 = 4’ is true. But, on second thought, it must be apparent that no radical monist can remain satisfied with ‘2 + 2 = 4.’ If with Parmenides2 one thinks that all is one, if with Vedantic Hinduism3 he thinks that all plurality is illusion, ‘2 + 2 = 4’ is an illusory statement. On the most ultimate level of being, 1 + 1 = 1.4

What does this imply? Even the simplest arithmetical truths can be sustained only in a worldview which acknowledges an ultimate metaphysical plurality in the world—whether Trinitarian, polytheistic, or chance-produced plurality. At the same time, the simplest arithmetical truths also presuppose ultimate metaphysical unity for the world&mdahs;at least sufficient unity to guard the continued existence of “sames.” Two apples remain apples while I am counting them; the symbol ‘2’ is in some sense the same symbol at different times, standing for the same number.

So, at the very beginning of arithmetic, we are already plunged into the metaphysical problem of unity and plurality, of the one and the many. As Van Til and Rushdoony have pointed out, this problem finds its solution only in the doctrine of the ontological Trinity.5 For the moment, we shall not dwell on the thorny metaphysical arguments, but note only that without some real unity and plurality, ‘2 + 2 = 4’ falls into limbo. The “agreement” over mathematical truth is achieved partly by the process, described elegantly by Thomas Kuhn and Michael Polanyi, of excluding from the scientific community people of differing convictions.6 Radical monists,for example, are not invited to contribute to mathematical symposia.

Here's the link: http://frame-poythress.org/a-biblical-view-of-mathematics/

Boy, we thought we had problems with the NEW math...

[PatrickforO]

22. OK, THIS will knock you out...

Now the reader may argue that all this is purely speculative, since God has not in fact chosen to record mathematical theorems in Scripture. But note the following. (1) Whether God has given us mathematical information can be determined only by an actual examination of Scripture, not (as the neutrality postulate presumably claims) in an a priori fashion. (2) Though the Bible does not contain mathematical theorems in the modern sense, it does contain teachings that instruct us, in certain cases, about what kind of mathematics is legitimate (cf. the examples in §§5-9). (3) God’s general (pre-redemptive) revealing activity is involved in every kind of mathematical knowledge (see §23). (4) In the light of (l)- (3), the neutrality postulate definitely is concerning itself with religious issues.

In fact, the neutrality postulate claims to know about what the relation of God and numbers can and cannot be, what the relation of theology and mathematics can and cannot be, not only in the past, but (if the postulate is to mean anything substantial) also in the future. Suppose now that we ask how these sweeping claims to knowledge can be backed up. The answer must be: the knowledge comes by revelation—either Christian revelation or some secularized version of revelation. For, in backing up the neutrality postulate, one is involved in explaining how one comes to...blah, blah, blah.

Basically, these people are trying to inject some bullshit theology into a subject already difficult enough for most kids. These 'christian' crazies need to crawl back under their rocks. Why should my grandkids have to learn THIS shit????

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

26. 300 wives plus 700 concubines = ? nt

[Krytan11c]

36. Syphhilis?

[Proud Liberal Dem]

27. "Bible Math"

is probably similar to "Bible Science" and should be given equal time in Math classrooms!

[Tab]

32. Gandhi had it right

Eye minus eye = whole world blind

I was "lucky" (ha!) enough to grow up with "new math", probably similar to whatever common core is today. Even my parents (both college educated) didn't get it, and advocated for a return to, I don't know, "old math"? I remember my mom ultimately teaching me the traditional math. It's no surprise "new math" never caught on. When I look at some common core stuff today I feel the same way.

[struggle4progress]

33. I never heard of Bible math, but the article author can't do math

The annual death-by-firearm rate in the US K-12 age group is around 3.3/100000 or 0.00033%

So the three-year rate is about an order-of-magnitude higher than the author suggests

[justiceischeap]

35. The article author is, no doubt, using Bible Math. nt

[Warren DeMontague]

37. 4.7 Billion = 6,000

[HereSince1628]

39. Isn't it something like 24 hours = 4.3 trillion hours?