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Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:59 AM

 

How ironic that Bill Clinton is considered a republican by most progressives on the far left but

He picked the most liberal Supreme Court Judges that currently sit on the court.UM!! funny how that worked out.I'm just saying

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Reply How ironic that Bill Clinton is considered a republican by most progressives on the far left but (Original post)
bigdarryl Mar 2016 OP
Stallion Mar 2016 #1
Scootaloo Mar 2016 #2
pugetres Mar 2016 #3
Hortensis Mar 2016 #4
Fearless Mar 2016 #5
bigdarryl Mar 2016 #11
Fearless Mar 2016 #16
joeybee12 Mar 2016 #18
bemildred Mar 2016 #6
CBGLuthier Mar 2016 #7
leftynyc Mar 2016 #8
CBGLuthier Mar 2016 #9
leftynyc Mar 2016 #10
Bluenorthwest Mar 2016 #14
leftynyc Mar 2016 #17
dembotoz Mar 2016 #12
bigdarryl Mar 2016 #13
dembotoz Mar 2016 #19
Tommy_Carcetti Mar 2016 #15

Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:03 AM

1. Well First You've Got to Win an Election Before You Get to Pick a Progressive Justice

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:08 AM

2. Thank you for speaking for us so accurately

 

*cough*

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:13 AM

3. Nobody can beat Ginsberg as the most liberal-

 

but Sotomayor and Kagan were appointed by Obama.

Other than Ginsberg, the only other Supreme Court justice appointed by Clinton was Breyer who is rather centrist.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 02:59 AM

4. I'd say no they don't really believe Bill is effectively

a Republican, except I'm afraid some have probably come to believe their own propaganda. It's a dangerous indulgence.

I've lived in conservative areas for decades now and have seen dozens of former friends head down that road, the people they once were never to be seen again. I once believed the virulent anti-Democrat era would pass and they'd get back to their original fairly good sense, but it never happened. Now they've gone so far for so long that I literally don't believe they could find their way back. The beliefs of today's conservatives are bizarrely different from those before the 1980s.

With the information age facilitating connections and allowing bypass of local injections of reality, I'm guessing we're seeing much the same syndrome happen to the far left, their hostility toward those not with them turning out to be all too similar to the far right's hostility to those not like them.

Mercifully, the nature of liberals is to be relatively tolerant and open and intellectually curious, and moderate conservatives may have these characteristics to various degrees, but I really wonder how far down these roads of division and delusion we can go as a people.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:40 AM

5. He is a right wing democrat not a Republican

Cherry picking one left-leaning success does not a person make.

He supported NAFTA... does that make him a Republican?

Welfare reform?

The gutting of Glass-Stegall?

Do I need to go on?

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Response to Fearless (Reply #5)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:12 AM

11. There is no such thing as a PURE progressive even Sanders isn't a pure progressive

 

His stance on gun control is to the right of most progressives. He's even to the right of Hillary a lot of African Americans are progressive on a number of issues but a lot of AA's have conservative views on gay marriage

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Response to bigdarryl (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:23 AM

16. That is false.

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Response to bigdarryl (Reply #11)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:43 AM

18. That is true

 

To counter the blinders on the other comment

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 04:53 AM

6. Bill is about Bill, he cares Jack Shit about Republicans, our nation, or anybody else.

The current judges one and all are conservative corporate friendly judges. Being "liberal" on such a court only gets you "moderate" anywhere else.

Having lived here when we still had a court that thought votes were a more legitmate route to power than money, that is obvious.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:26 AM

7. Nixon appointed Burger, I'm just saying. So if someone like Nixon, just slightly to the right

of and only three degrees more devious than the Clintons can appoint a leftist so can Clinton.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #7)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:28 AM

8. You think Bill nominated Ginsberg

 

hoping she would be more conservative?

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #8)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:30 AM

9. I have no idea what motivated that man to do anything.

All his great ideas like DADT and DOMA. With such "progressive" ideals who knows what he wanted.

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Response to CBGLuthier (Reply #9)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 05:35 AM

10. Let's not pretend

 

that DADT wasn't, at that time, a step forward. He was trying to avoid gays being thrown out of the military for being gay. That is certainly NOT a conservative position (and still isn't).

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Response to leftynyc (Reply #10)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:11 AM

14. Let's not pretend he is not still defending DOMA, the other poster mentioned both and you failed

 

to address DOMA, which of course Bernie voted against. Defense of Marriage Act. Let's not pretend that is not part of what is being discussed. Compare and contrast Sanders and Clinton on DOMA....who wins?

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Response to Bluenorthwest (Reply #14)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 11:41 AM

17. Who wins?

 

The person not promising to raise my taxes. The DOMA doesn't effect me at all and I'd like a link to where bill (who, by the way, is not on the ballot) is still defending DOMA NOW that the SC has found it unconstitutional.

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:25 AM

12. from welfare reform to mass incarceration....bill turns my stomach

read the new jim crow by michele alexander

i did
and i am disgusted all over again

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Response to dembotoz (Reply #12)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 08:48 AM

13. The hell with Alexander

 

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Response to bigdarryl (Reply #13)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:08 PM

19. have you read the book?

if i did not have du manners i would be going down your throat with my boots on

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Response to bigdarryl (Original post)

Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:34 AM

15. He, Hillary and President Obama are left of center moderates. Case closed.

Can we please dispel of the fiction that any of those three are either:

a) Radical Marxists (as propagated on the far right)

or

b) Republicans secretly disguised as Democrats (as propagated by the far left)


Seriously.....to claim that any of them are anything other than left of center moderate Democrats is idiotic.

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