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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsEagles of Death Metal Frontman Says Venue Security May Have Been in on Paris Attacks
"Right before we walked onstage, there were two dudes in shorts and trench coats, they were standing, without talking, heads down in the corner, by where the entrance out into the venue is from backstage," Hughes said. "We have a joke, that if you're not smiling at one of our shows, you surely can't be there to see the Eagles of Death Metal, because you don't know what you're in for. [Sound engineer] Shawn [London] looked at me and said, 'They certainly don't look like they're here for one of our shows.'"
He continued: "When I first got to the venue and walked in, I walked past the dude who was supposed to be the security guard for the backstage. He didn't even look at me. I immediately went to the promoter and said, 'Who's that guy? I want to put another dude on,' and he goes, 'Well some of the other guards aren't here yet,' and eventually I found out that six or so wouldn't show up at all."
http://exclaim.ca/music/article/eagles_of_death_metal_frontman_says_security_might_have_been_in_on_paris_attacks
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)sounds very speculative. It doesn't sound like he has any real proof?
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)He's a witness whose friends were murdered telling what he saw. You doubt him for some unstated reason. What do you base your doubts upon?
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Eyewitness testimony is unreliable. This man was witness to a stressful, traumatic event, during which he was primarily concerned with his own survival and the survival of his friends. Now he's trying to recall details well after the fact. Because memory is so unreliable and so plastic, it is very easy to convince yourself that you remember something that may or may not have happened.
Also, his story is pretty fantastic. And he doesn't have a shred of proof.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)all the time, assuming that you not being there has as much insight as one who was there. That drips of logic. The story is not at all 'fantastic' as very obviously that night was one huge security breach. Huge. To think there might have been operatives in the venue is not at all 'fantastic' and actually seems likely considering that a massive violent crime was carried out with planning and intention at that venue that night.
You point of view is absurd 'he was there so he could not know anything and it is fantastic to think there might have been venue personnel involved in the crime, that's crazy talk, the venue is sacred!!!!!!'
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Look: I have neither time nor the inclination to run you through Memory 101. If you're at all interested in the reliability of eyewitness testimony, the adverse effect of stress on memory formation, or the degradation of recall over time, then go forth to your local university library and look for Loftus or Bartlett.
As for the realism of his claims, let's run through this, shall we?
- Bataclan security guards were absent the day of the shooting.
OK so far...
- Bataclan security guards absent the day of the shooting were ISIS operatives.
Because if the guards were absent, it wouldn't be for any other reason. And French intelligence, which managed to identify the culprits of the attack within hours of it happening, somehow missed this when rifling through the perpetrators' unencrypted communications. And every other Bataclan employee who was not absent failed to report to authorities, or mention it publicly. Hey, maybe they're in on it too...
- ISIS planted operatives at Bataclan for... reasons.
Try to think of a tactical advantage to planting operatives in Bataclan security. It seems completely unnecessary, given the objective. A couple of guys with automatic weapons enter a crowded space and shoot the place up. This isn't fucking RISK.
JonathanRackham
(1,604 posts)Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Wouldn't rule that out.
Albertoo
(2,016 posts)Wouldn't rule that out.
Act_of_Reparation
(9,116 posts)Guitar players are noted specialists in investigation. Just last week, I solved six murders and a mysterious case of a missing bicycle.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)interesting choice. Venue, producers, they hold responsibilities to provide actual and adequate security. It's contractual. If they failed those duties they are liable and perhaps criminally complicit.
What did you see? Since you were there?
polly7
(20,582 posts)beforehand. How else to find out if there were any special fears or concerns they should pay extra attention to? I feel very bad for this man ... what they went through was horrendous. Often it takes time after shock has worn off to give memories the significance they deserve - and any and every possibility for what happened here should be taken very seriously.