Bundy refuses in court to recognize U.S. authority in Nevada

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By KEN RITTER The Associated Press
First Published Mar 10 2016 08:21PM
Last Updated Mar 10 2016 08:21 pm

Las Vegas • Jailed Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy refused Thursday to acknowledge federal authority and declined to enter a plea to federal charges that he led an armed standoff against a round-up of cattle two years ago.

After several minutes of confusion about whether Bundy had a lawyer, U.S. Magistrate Judge Carl Hoffman entered a not guilty plea on Bundy's behalf and scheduled a detention hearing March 17.

Arguments then will focus on whether the 69-year-old Bundy should remain in custody pending trial on 16 charges, including conspiracy, assault and threatening a federal officer, obstruction and firearms offenses.

It could be many months before trial. Federal prosecutor Steven Myhre told the judge the case involving 19 defendants would be slow-tracked as "complex" ...

http://www.sltrib.com/home/3646975-155/bundy-refuses-in-court-to-recognize

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1. ... Bundy is being held without bail. A detention hearing is scheduled for next Thursday ...

Rancher Cliven Bundy Refuses to Enter Plea as Protesters Rally in Support
MAR 10 2016, 8:10 PM ET
by PHIL HELSEL

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2. ... "His position is that he should be subject to Nevada law and not federal law,"

Bundy's attorney .. told me .."And so, because of that position, he doesn't recognize that he should be here" ... "Cliven has known that this might happen for the last 20 years," says his attorney ...

Cliven Bundy refuses to enter plea in Federal Court
By Jeff Gillan
Thursday, March 10th 2016

[Jerry442]

10. Don't most prisoners say they were wrongly convicted and should be released?

You can say it all you want, but it doesn't get the cell door open.

[csziggy]

18. Nevada law recognizes federal law as preeminent so he loses

From the Nevada Constitution:

Sec:?2.??Purpose of government; paramount allegiance to United States.??All political power is inherent in the people Government is instituted for the protection, security and benefit of the people; and they have the right to alter or reform the same whenever the public good may require it. But the Paramount Allegiance of every citizen is due to the Federal Government in the exercise of all its Constitutional powers as the same have been or may be defined by the Supreme Court of the United States; and no power exists in the people of this or any other State of the Federal Union to dissolve their connection therewith or perform any act tending to impair subvert, or resist the Supreme Authority of the government of the United States. The Constitution of the United States confers full power on the Federal Government to maintain and Perpetuate its existance , and whensoever any portion of the States, or people thereof attempt to secede from the Federal Union, or forcibly resist the Execution of its laws, the Federal Government may, by warrant of the Constitution, employ armed force in compelling obedience to its Authority.
https://www.leg.state.nv.us/const/nvconst.html#Art1Sec2

(Emphasis added by me)

In other words, Nevada agrees that the Federal Government is over any other law in the country and that the Federal Government has the right to use armed force to make idiots obey federal laws.

Cliven may think he's a lawyer but he apparently has never read the laws of his own state.

[struggle4progress]

20. "I abide by all of Nevada state laws. But I don’t recognize the United States government

as even existing."
http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2014/04/the-irony-of-cliven-bundys-unconstitutional-stand/360587/

We could fill several buckets with the loose screws that have fallen out of Cliven

[csziggy]

21. I'd say "dumb as a box of rocks" but it would insult the rocks!

Most of these guys who claim to be Constitutional experts have never read the Constitution or don't understand what it says. To claim they recognize the law of Nevada and not know what Nevada's Constitution says proves how ignorant and delusional Cliven Bundy is.

I've only been to Nevada once in my life and I know what it's Constitution says about the Federal Government - and why. Nevada became a state in 1864 and the US government wanted to make sure that they recognized the right of the federal government to enforce the US Constitution and federal laws. A number of states admitted around the time of the Civil War or re-admitted afterwards have provisions such as this to prevent them from having a legal claim to succession.

[Adrahil]

23. Apparently, "Constitutionalist" Bundy doesn't understand the Supremacy Clause.

But then, most Constitutional "experts" I know don't actually know JACK about the Constitution.

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3. Legislators stand atop soapbox as Bundy backers

By JOHN L. SMITH
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL
March 10, 2016 - 8:51pm

... Nevada Assembly members Shelly Shelton and John Moore took their public defense of Bunkerville rancher Cliven Bundy to the steps of the federal courthouse Thursday.

The Nevada legislators were vocal members of a group of approximately 100 that assembled to support Bundy and his fellow defendants ...

... legislators Shelton and Moore ... also were on hand in the final days of the Oregon standoff ...

http://www.reviewjournal.com/john-l-smith/legislators-stand-atop-soapbox-bundy-backers

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

4. If he doesn't remain in custody, they'll just have to dig him out of his compund again at gunpoint.

Getting himself and various stupid bystanders killed, probably along with a few federal agents. He's a natural not to be granted bail.

[Hortensis]

5. LOL.

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13. +

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6. 'We want Cliven free!'

John M Glionna in Las Vegas and Sam Levin in San Francisco
Thursday 10 March 2016 19.30 EST

... Some protesters were wearing cowboy hats and had handguns on their belts. Many carried signs promoting the first amendment to passing cars and cheered when they honked in support. One sign read: “It is Simple: The Land Belongs to the People” ...

... one protester refused to give his name and pointed to the .45 caliber on this belt. He said he had taken part in the 2014 standoff with federal officers ...

“The government is coming after us,” <Bundy’s daughter> said. “It’s not just the cattle grazers. It’s the hikers and the bikers and the hunters. They just came for the ranchers first. Everybody’s next” ...

“America doesn’t get it. It doesn’t know what’s going on,” <Las Vegas roofer Rick Pollard> said, waving a large American flag. “These blacks can throw bricks in Ferguson and get away scott-free and an honest man like Cliven Bundy can’t even protect his own property from the federal wolves” ...

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/mar/10/oregon-militia-standoff-cliven-bundy-las-vegas-nevada-court-hearing

[dmr]

14. Oh, good grief

If they weren't so intellectually dishonest, I might be willing to hear them out. Instead it's hyperbole & rhetoric, making little sense.

They are frauds.

If they truly are worried about the Constitution, then let's discuss government over-reach on data collection. That is real & compelling.

[SwankyXomb]

24. I can see why that one guy refused to give his name

If he took part in the 2014 version of the Bundy Fundie Gunday, there's probably an arrest warrant looking for him.

[randome]

7. And if the state of Nevada willingly gives the upkeep of land to the feds?

These bozos really don't think anything through, do they?
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8. ... “Mr. Bundy is a very wonderful man,” [his lawyer Joel] Hansen said ...

Hansen, who has been active in the Independent American Party, an ultra-conservative political organization, told Hoffman that he wants to remain as Bundy’s lawyer, but he needs to be paid ...

Cliven Bundy refuses to enter plea
Posted March 10, 2016 - 10:13am
Updated March 10, 2016 - 7:12pm
By JEFF GERMAN and WESLEY JUHL
LAS VEGAS REVIEW-JOURNAL

[peacebird]

9. He doesn't have to recognize Fed authority, but he does have to remain in custody & in jail

[Vinca]

11. Why do I think he will recognize free government legal assistance?

You can't take the grift out of the grifter.

[rurallib]

12. wonder if he gets Social Security and Medicare

[Coventina]

15. And yet he & his followers love to fly the Stars & Stripes.

I don't get it.

They don't believe in the Federal Government, but fly the flag?!?!

[struggle4progress]

19. The logic works like this:

(1) I'm always right
(2) If anybody says anything, and I agree with the last sentence they utter, then whatever they said is the truth
(3) Everyone who disagrees with me is completely full of it
(4) Everything I think comes directly from the bible
(5) The US constitution says exactly what I'm saying
(6) My gun tells me everything
(7) All of my beliefs follow the American flag
(8) People who disagree with me are anti-American, anti-Christian, anti-Constitutionalists; and they really just want to argue with my gun

[Gothmog]

16. Bundy may not be competent to stand trial

The man is a nut case

[snooper2]

17. Glad to see this loser will die in prison...

hopefully his asshole sons will as well-

[Marr]

22. I think this question was settled like... 160 years ago, wasn't it? /nt

[struggle4progress]

25. The Mormon pioneer era begins around 1847. The 1848 Treaty of Guadalupe-Hidalgo extinguished

Mexico's claims to that region. Beginning in 1849, Mormons began to propose "Deseret" as a US state but part of the region became Utah Territory in 1850. Various remaining tensions led to the Mormon Rebellion of 1857-1858, involving various murders across Utah territory and leading to the removal of Brigham Young as governor of the territory

The major skirmish with the Paiute in Nevada was the Pyramid Lake War in 1860

Nevada (mostly carved from Utah territory) became a state in 1864

Cliven likes to claim that his family was there in 1877. This date seems to coincide with the first settlement of Bunkerville. But the major issues of national supremacy under US and Nevada law should be regarded as having been settled at the time

Cliven also likes to claim that his rights come from a time before the BLM was created in 1946. But Cliven was born in 1948; Cliven's parents bought the ranch in 1948; and the Bundy family didn't start grazing there until 1954. So it's quite hard to see how he could have inherited rights on that land from the 1870s; and the BLM has not only been around longer than that land has been in his family, and longer than his family has been grazing that land, but also longer than Cliven has been on earth

[longship]

27. Simple synopsis: "Get a bowl, a spoon, and some milk."

"Because these guys are cuckoo for Cocoa Puffs."

Throw away the key to the rubber room.

[Kelvin Mace]

26. You can practice pretending the government doesn't legally exist

by pretending the bars of your cell don't exist.

Let us know how that turns out.