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napkinz

(17,199 posts)
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:02 PM Mar 2016

TRUMP: "Laziness Is A Trait In Blacks."

Last edited Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:14 PM - Edit history (1)




Why has no one in the media asked Trump about what he said in 1991!




edit: It was Trump again in 1991 who trafficked in ugly racial and religious stereotypes when he whined that he didn't like Black guys counting his money. "The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." As Trump said then, "laziness is a trait in blacks."

http://www.bet.com/news/national/2015/12/11/donald-trump-and-the-blacks.html
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TRUMP: "Laziness Is A Trait In Blacks." (Original Post) napkinz Mar 2016 OP
Because his support of the Clintons after he made this quote would be embarrassing to them shawn703 Mar 2016 #1
...not quite as bad as calling black children "super predators than need to be brought to heel", bvar22 Mar 2016 #12
you're attempting to spin a racist Trump quote against Hillary Clinton CreekDog Mar 2016 #31
English please? shawn703 Mar 2016 #36
every word in my post is in English CreekDog Mar 2016 #41
Because he has evolved on the issue... Kalidurga Mar 2016 #2
along with blacks. Can't leave out the blacks. And the Muslims, don't forget the Muslims. BillZBubb Mar 2016 #3
can you say "Trump" and "evolve" in the same sentence? napkinz Mar 2016 #15
If by that you mean he has become worse sure... Kalidurga Mar 2016 #16
makes me think of this toon ... napkinz Mar 2016 #17
Yeah saw that in my lifetime. I thought the Tea Party was bad... Kalidurga Mar 2016 #19
if the character of Archie Bunker had lived to see the election of the first black president ... napkinz Mar 2016 #27
No doubt Kalidurga Mar 2016 #39
people i work with....fullashit trump! w0nderer Mar 2016 #4
I got it! Racism is a trait in Trump! napkinz Mar 2016 #18
because there barely enough time in the 24 hour news cycle to report all the outrageous shit he is Takket Mar 2016 #5
there's a long history of racist comments and actions that the MSM has failed to fully address napkinz Mar 2016 #33
Or maybe he didn't say it DavidDvorkin Mar 2016 #6
please find another less sickening source. it just looks bad. thanks. JanMichael Mar 2016 #9
The WashExaminer's role is to support untruths. Hortensis Mar 2016 #38
ahem ... napkinz Mar 2016 #10
It is probably true. Springslips Mar 2016 #24
Disputed quote teach1st Mar 2016 #7
... napkinz Mar 2016 #11
Yeah. Igel Mar 2016 #20
Well said theonederbread Jun 2016 #42
Are you saying Trump isn't a racist and we shouldn't try to make him look like one? I'm confused uppityperson Jun 2016 #43
No theonederbread Jun 2016 #44
Trump: "Knows" Putin but doesn't know the President of one of his casinos. Patholigical liar at work TeamPooka Mar 2016 #22
... napkinz Mar 2016 #23
I'm Black??? Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #8
Too Funny N/T WiffenPoof Mar 2016 #13
Of course. That's what made them so desirable to the slave trade. Mister Ed Mar 2016 #14
Nearly 20 percent of Trump’s supporters disapprove of Lincoln freeing the slaves napkinz Mar 2016 #25
what can be expected heaven05 Mar 2016 #28
Donald Trump has dropped the GOP’s mask: Conservatism and racism now officially the same thing napkinz Mar 2016 #32
... Initech Mar 2016 #21
All these pejoratives used to describe Blacks are clearly deliberate obfuscation. raging moderate Mar 2016 #26
20%, probably more heaven05 Mar 2016 #29
we know what they mean when they say they want "to take America back" napkinz Mar 2016 #35
Post removed Post removed Mar 2016 #30
Were there no black players on the New Jersey Generals? KamaAina Mar 2016 #34
Trump gives himself away with the use of "THE" napkinz Mar 2016 #37
Here Are 9 Examples Of Donald Trump Being Racist napkinz Mar 2016 #40

shawn703

(2,702 posts)
1. Because his support of the Clintons after he made this quote would be embarrassing to them
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:05 PM
Mar 2016

And possibly fatally damaging to their establishment candidate.

bvar22

(39,909 posts)
12. ...not quite as bad as calling black children "super predators than need to be brought to heel",
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:57 PM
Mar 2016

but in the same ball park, and playing for the same team.

CreekDog

(46,192 posts)
31. you're attempting to spin a racist Trump quote against Hillary Clinton
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:12 AM
Mar 2016

obviously, you've indicated who have the larger disagreement with.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
2. Because he has evolved on the issue...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:05 PM
Mar 2016

now his position is that Mexicans are lazy, murdering, rapists.

Kalidurga

(14,177 posts)
19. Yeah saw that in my lifetime. I thought the Tea Party was bad...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:42 PM
Mar 2016

The T-rump party makes them look like a bunch of harmless Archie Bunkers.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
27. if the character of Archie Bunker had lived to see the election of the first black president ...
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:31 AM
Mar 2016


I bet Archie would be a birther! (And a Trump supporter.)

Takket

(21,529 posts)
5. because there barely enough time in the 24 hour news cycle to report all the outrageous shit he is
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:29 PM
Mar 2016

saying today

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
33. there's a long history of racist comments and actions that the MSM has failed to fully address
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:16 PM
Mar 2016

From refusing to rent to African-Americans in the 1970s to calling for the execution of the Central Park Five in 1989 to inciting violence against African-American protesters at his rallies today.

JanMichael

(24,875 posts)
9. please find another less sickening source. it just looks bad. thanks.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:47 PM
Mar 2016

they suppoerted mccackle and gimme more romcomedy.

a total right wing rag.

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
38. The WashExaminer's role is to support untruths.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 03:31 PM
Mar 2016

When it's true, there are usually many sources with far better reputations.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
10. ahem ...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

According to a book written by former Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino president John R. O'Donnell, the real estate mogul once said in 1991 that "Laziness is a trait in blacks." He was allegedly referring to a black accountant working for Trump Plaza, and added, "“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." The kicker is that Trump, in a 1999 Playboy magazine interview, did not even deny saying those things. He admitted O'Donnell's allegations were "probably true," but insisted it didn't matter because he was obviously a disgruntled employee.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/8-reasons-donald-trump-would-not-be-great-for-the-blacks_us_56e0729fe4b065e2e3d47e82

It was Trump again in 1991 who trafficked in ugly racial and religious stereotypes when he whined that he didn't like Black guys counting his money. "The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." As Trump said then, "laziness is a trait in blacks."

http://www.bet.com/news/national/2015/12/11/donald-trump-and-the-blacks.html



Springslips

(533 posts)
24. It is probably true.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 11:29 PM
Mar 2016

The quote sounds like him to the tee. You can't read that without hearing his flatten, Manhattan accent.

teach1st

(5,932 posts)
7. Disputed quote
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:44 PM
Mar 2016

In the "Disputed" section of Trump's Wikiquotes page:

https://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Donald_Trump

I have black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day. Those are the kind of people I want counting my money. Nobody else. Besides that, I've got to tell you something else. I think that the guy is lazy. And it's probably not his fault because laziness is a trait in blacks. It really is, I believe that. It's not anything they can control... Don't you agree?
"Wrongly attributed" to Trump, who said the book with the alleged quote was "written by a fired and totally disgruntled employee who was terrible at the job he did and who I hardly knew." (Washington Examiner, 8 July 2015)
"Recalled" by John "Jack" O'Donnell, former president of Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino. O'Donnell, John R.; Rutherford, James (1 January 1991), Trumped!: The Inside Story of the Real Donald Trump -His Cunning Rise and Spectacular Fall, New York: Simon & Schuster, ISBN 9780671737351, OCLC 23355814, cited in "Ignoring Trump's Record of Racism". Fairness & Accuracy in Reporting. 2011-05-06. Retrieved on 2011-05-07. "But did Trump actually utter those words? Who knows?" — Howard Kurtz (May 10, 1991). "Duck, Donald! Trump-Size Tackiness". The Washington Post.
Donald Trump: "I never said it. I hardly know this guy. He was running one of my casinos for a short period of time. He was fired—we fired him because he wasn't doing a very good job. He wrote this nasty book. He made up stuff... This guy, I hardly know him. He made up this quote. I've heard the quote before, and it's nonsense... I've never said anything like it, ever." – Meet the Press (24 October, 1999)

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
11. ...
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:54 PM
Mar 2016

According to a book written by former Trump Plaza Hotel & Casino president John R. O'Donnell, the real estate mogul once said in 1991 that "Laziness is a trait in blacks." He was allegedly referring to a black accountant working for Trump Plaza, and added, "“Black guys counting my money! I hate it. The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." The kicker is that Trump, in a 1999 Playboy magazine interview, did not even deny saying those things. He admitted O'Donnell's allegations were "probably true," but insisted it didn't matter because he was obviously a disgruntled employee.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/8-reasons-donald-trump-would-not-be-great-for-the-blacks_us_56e0729fe4b065e2e3d47e82

It was Trump again in 1991 who trafficked in ugly racial and religious stereotypes when he whined that he didn't like Black guys counting his money. "The only kind of people I want counting my money are short guys that wear yarmulkes every day." As Trump said then, "laziness is a trait in blacks."

http://www.bet.com/news/national/2015/12/11/donald-trump-and-the-blacks.html

Igel

(35,282 posts)
20. Yeah.
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 09:50 PM
Mar 2016

It goes back to a single person who recalled something said months after the fact and put it in quotes.

And who tried to profit off of it.

As for the "allegations were probably true" (I'm not goin to sort out the rat's nest of quotation marks there), don't confuse "most or general" with "every single one." As I've pointed out before, it's patently true that cats are mammals and therefore have fur, two eyes, and four feet. However, there are cats with little fur, one or no eyes, and 3 or fewer feet. The exceptions don't deny the assertion because the assertion "cats have fur, two eyes, and four feet" is one that is generally true and applies to the typical case, but isn't an exhaustive statement.

But ill-will makes us parse things in the way that says we're good and the other guy's bad. When necessary, we interpret generics or bare plurals perfectly fine. At other times, we assume they're exhaustive because it suits us--it makes a denial stronger, an assertion stronger. Or it makes it very easy to trip up an opponent. But it's still just an interpretation based upon ill-will, amounting to nothing less than confirmation bias.

theonederbread

(2 posts)
42. Well said
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 05:15 PM
Jun 2016

I made this account just to thank you for so eloquently highlighting the problem behind our highlighting an opposition's ill-will when it suits us. It's a shame more people don't understand this.

theonederbread

(2 posts)
44. No
Sun Jun 26, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jun 2016

Re-read the poster I commended, specifically the part about generics and base plurals, and how they can be interpreted normally or in exhaustive fashion, depending on whether we agree with the person or not.

To expand on it a bit, when speaking about generalities, we have a choice in interpreting the statement as all (exhaustive), most/generally, or even just some significant proportion. That choice of interpretation can alter the entire meaning and intent of the statement. And if we have ill-will towards the person making such a statement, we will choose to interpret it in the worst fashion possible (which is usually exhaustive, by nature of such statements).

If you're aware of the Ben Affleck and Sam Harris debacle on Real Time with Bill Maher, you'll see a clear example of such a case. Affleck had a negative impression of Harris and irrationally latched on an assumption that he was speaking about all Muslims (exhaustive) and received thunderous applause. This is despite the fact that Harris was specifically talking about percentages and subgroups within Muslim communities.

Regarding Trump, pay attention to what he's saying and whether or not he's actually making exhaustive statements about race or ethnic groups. Regarding the previous post, "probably true" is not exhaustive and should not be interpreted as an admission of guilt.

TeamPooka

(24,210 posts)
22. Trump: "Knows" Putin but doesn't know the President of one of his casinos. Patholigical liar at work
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:01 PM
Mar 2016
 

Tierra_y_Libertad

(50,414 posts)
8. I'm Black???
Sun Mar 13, 2016, 08:44 PM
Mar 2016

I'll try telling my wife that the next time she tells me to mow the lawn....but, I don't think she'll buy it.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
25. Nearly 20 percent of Trump’s supporters disapprove of Lincoln freeing the slaves
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 09:49 AM
Mar 2016

The New York Times took a dive into whether Donald Trump's supporters are unusually racist — or, in the newspaper's delicate phrasing, "responsive to religious, social and racial intolerance." And they came up with a stunning statistic: Nearly one in five Trump supporters didn't approve of freeing slaves in the Confederacy.

A YouGov/Economist poll in January asked respondents if they approved or disapproved of "the executive order that freed all slaves in the states that were in rebellion against the federal government."

That executive order is better known as the Emancipation Proclamation. Thirteen percent of respondents — and "nearly 20 percent of Trump supporters," the Times reports, compared with 5 percent of Marco Rubio's — said they disapproved of it.

It gets even worse. An additional 17 percent of respondents said they weren't sure.

read more: http://www.vox.com/2016/2/24/11105552/trump-supporters-slavery

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
28. what can be expected
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:40 AM
Mar 2016

from racists following a fascist/racist? It is glaringly obvious what and who trump represents. This election will go down in our history as one that shows the world what has always been right under the crumbling facade of american democracy. These people ARE NOT newly angry at the direction america has gone in. Slavery endedd generations ago and who feels it shouldn't have ended? People who have ALWAYS been with us like a cancer eating away at social civilty and stability. I am so glad this clown trump has arrived to allow the cancer to come to the surface full blown ugly. America I'm so proud......not.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
32. Donald Trump has dropped the GOP’s mask: Conservatism and racism now officially the same thing
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 11:51 AM
Mar 2016
Post-civil rights GOP is our largest white identity group. Maybe we should thank Trump for making it so obvious

Chauncey DeVega
March 1, 2016

Donald Trump is the preferred candidate of white supremacists. Online and in other spaces, they have anointed him their champion in the 2016 presidential race.

-snip-

The facts are not always kind. In reality, the relationship between the Republican Party and white supremacy–and yes, the Ku Klux Klan–is much deeper and more problematic than the comments by Rubio, Cruz, Spicer and other Republicans would suggest.

Political parties are a type of “brand name” that voters associate with a specific set of policies, ideas, personalities and moral values. Consequently, the types of voters who are attracted to a given political party also tells us a great deal about how it is perceived by the public. And in a democracy, the relationship between voters, elected officials and a given political party should ideally be reflected by the types of policies the latter advances in order to both win and stay in power.

By these criteria, the post-civil rights era Republican Party is the United States’ largest white identity organization, one in which conservatism and racism are now one and the same thing.

read more: http://www.salon.com/2016/03/01/donald_trump_has_dropped_the_gops_mask_conservatism_and_racism_now_officially_the_same_thing/

raging moderate

(4,292 posts)
26. All these pejoratives used to describe Blacks are clearly deliberate obfuscation.
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:30 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sun Mar 27, 2016, 05:03 PM - Edit history (4)

White supremacists frequently describe Black people as lazy, dirty, and childish.

Oh, really? Do they really believe this?

Then WHY do white supremacists try to jimmy Black people into feeding, cleaning, and tending (sometimes even breastfeeding) their tiny babies? Or into planting, cultivating, picking, washing, cutting, and tossing their salads (and cooking their other food)? Or into serving the food at their tables? Or into doing their dishes and laundry for them? Or into fixing their hair for them? or into tending their sick and old people?

Whenever I see a movie depicting the way white supremacists THINK the world should be ordered, even the incredibly whitewashed "Gone with the Wind," I really have to ask myself, "Who is being childish here? And just who looks like the real adult in the room?" What a strange world it was! Those huge mansions, those large fields, those charming orchards, were mostly created by Black people.

If I really believed that somebody was lazy, dirty, and childish, I would certainly never let them near tiny babies, sick and old people, or food preparation and cleanup. So, Black people, I don't think any of these people really believe these lies about you, if that makes you feel any better. Or maybe it just makes you madder. I am trying to guess how I would feel if I were in your place. I suspect I would be pretty angry but still the constant lies would be wearing me down.

I gather, from my reading, that the cognitive clash between the words of the slaveowners and their pathetic overdependence on their Black slaves is what mostly fueled the Abolitionist movement. I have read several books written during that period by different sorts of people from the North. Northerners who traveled to the South, expecting happy fellowship with different people there, reportedly found that they could hardly choke down their food from gutwrenching pity for the horrible physical condition of the people who were serving the food (half-healed untreated wounds and badly healed scars, gaunt underfed skinniness, deep weariness, terror-stricken downcast eyes). And the callous indifference of the white slavers did not go unnoticed, either.

By the way, they also reported that the South at that time was divided mostly three groups: a large number of obviously half-starved, beaten, terrorized Blacks, a very small number of obviously overfed, overlicensed, overprivileged white slaveowners, and a large number of obviously discouraged, anemic, underfed poor whites. They reported that the poor whites seemed to be also victimized by the "aristocratic" white slavers, who were hogging all the land and resources and social approval. In general, they noticed a change for the worse in the physical infrastructure as they journeyed further into the slave states. But it was the plight of the Black slaves that really made their blood boil.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
29. 20%, probably more
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 10:51 AM
Mar 2016

of trumpchumps would like to see those half healed wounds and thick post whipping scars again. They would like to get back to those days where summary execution was the penalty for looking the white person in their eyes or not stepping out of their path if walking. I work part time in a service oriented job and the arrogance and barely disguised contempt of a certain segment of the people I 'serve' is close to the 20-25% of trumpchumps that hate brown people and who wish we were more subservient towards them. America, I'm so proud of our evolution as a free and truly equal society.......not.

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
35. we know what they mean when they say they want "to take America back"
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:42 PM
Mar 2016

... it's back to the pre-Civil War days.

Response to raging moderate (Reply #26)

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
34. Were there no black players on the New Jersey Generals?
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 12:21 PM
Mar 2016

The USFL team that Drumpf owned in the '80s?

napkinz

(17,199 posts)
40. Here Are 9 Examples Of Donald Trump Being Racist
Mon Mar 14, 2016, 08:25 PM
Mar 2016

He claims to have "a great relationship with the blacks," which is totally something a normal person would say.

He refused to condemn the white supremacists who are campaigning for him Three times in a row on Sunday, Trump sidestepped opportunities to renounce white nationalist and former KKK leader David Duke, who told his radio audience last week that voting for any candidate other than Trump is "really treason to your heritage."

When asked by CNN’s Jake Tapper if he would condemn Duke and say he didn’t want a vote from him or any other white supremacists, Trump claimed that he didn’t know anything about white supremacists or about Duke himself. When Tapper pressed him twice more, Trump said he couldn’t condemn a group he hadn’t yet researched.

By Monday, Trump was saying that in fact he does disavow Duke, and that the only reason he didn't do so on CNN was because of a "lousy earpiece." Video of the exchange, however, shows Trump responding quickly to Tapper's questions with no apparent difficulty in hearing.

It’s preposterous to think that Trump doesn't know about white supremacist groups or their sometimes violent support of him. Reports of neo-Nazi groups rallying around Trump go back as far as August.

read more: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/donald-trump-racist-examples_us_56d47177e4b03260bf777e83

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