I have dementia and I think I still have a handle on right and wrong and this was so wrong!

[Omaha Steve]

I don't think anyone that reads the DU doubts my alignment with Bernie's campaign.

This will probably get locked as META because it is a complaint on a jury result: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027681281

I don't know who was on the jury and I don't want to know. This was BS and I don't mean Bernie Sanders.

As a favor to me please drop any plans for a Bernie Award on DU. Do that at JPR with different art: http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php

The DUZY was never intended to split Democrats apart.

Nancy I am sorry this happened. I'm very proud to have won a DUZY from time to time.

OS

[Guy Whitey Corngood]

1. You're a really decent dude. As I'm sure you've heard plenty of times. nt

[CaliforniaPeggy]

2. I am horrified that Nance's thread was hidden. It should not have been.

I honor Jeff's work and it always made me laugh.

What a shame to see her thread hidden.

[malaise]

151. The words are

unbelievable and shocking.

[missingthebigdog]

3. Thank You!

I stand with you and Nance.

[lpbk2713]

4. I concur with you and the referenced OP.

[hfojvt]

135. I was going to disagree with it

at least a little.

The only time I can remember winning a DUzy was back in 2008. During primary season, I had written a post mocking the idea that Obama was receiving favorable treatment in the press compared to Hillary.

Basically what I did was take a list of the things the press had done to Obama and sarcastically claimed they were doing them to Hillary instead. I started with saying "They always call her Hillary RODHAM Clinton to remind primary voters that she's the daughter of a Republican" and so on and so forth.

I was trying to be funny and not trying to take a swipe at Clinton supporters, but on the other hand, it WAS basically taking a side in the primary war.

I don't think it helps us in the long run or even in the short run to be attacking each other, but in some ways we all need to lighten up. I mean sometimes perhaps you can appreciate the snark EVEN when it is directed at you, yourself. If ten good friends decide to play a game of basketball, divided into opposing teams, you can appreciate it when the other team has a clever play.

In the movie War Games the teacher asks

"Who was the first person to suggest the idea of reproduction without sex?"

and the student naturally answers

"Your wife?"

at which point he gets sent to the office.

But IF the relationship was NOT antagonistic, perhaps the teacher could have laughed too and admitted "okay, I walked into that one, didn't I?"

At the end of the day somebody is going to win and somebody going to lose, and we need to come together on the same side again if we are not going to lose in November.

As such, we need MORE humor and LESS antagonism.

[Journeyman]

5. Sad. I'd set that thread aside, intending to write something later tonight . . .

Jeff was a fun, involved individual, and I too was happy to receive an occasional DUzy. It says something sad about this board, when even the memory of someone who sought to foster unity should now prove divisive for some. But then, there were days when adults engaged in reasonable discussions on these boards, though that seems a lifetime ago.

[yardwork]

125. A lot of us long-time DUers are sickened by what has happened here.

[nadinbrzezinski]

6. It was wrong to hide that

I agree

[jillan]

7. I remember the Duzy awards from 2008 - I never knew the story about your husband Nance.

I am so sorry this happened.

I know we don't agree these days about politics - but I offer my apology that this happened
I promise you if it gets posted again in our group, I will tell them to delete it.

[lovemydog]

64. As a still undecided

leaning toward Sanders (and who will vote in the general) I'd like to sincerely thank you.

[Laurian]

8. That hide is a sad commentary on just where DU is these days.

It was a mean and heartless hide.

[JDPriestly]

35. I've seen a lot of terrible hides recently.

On both sides of the primary.

We should not hide threads just because we disagree with the opinion expressed even if it does seem divisive or harsh to us.

If we can't take a spirited, sometimes divisive or harsh discussion, we should not join in the political debate on a site named Democratic Underground.

If the whole discussion is to be utterly harmonious, then why is it "underground." Underground suggests that we question the status quo and the standard accepted truisms, that we question authority, that we stand for freedom of speech and thought.

This primary seems to have brought out a lot of fearful authoritarians who dare not let others disagree. It's too "divisive" for them. They prefer to suppress thought that does not agree with their own.

It's on both sides.

Let's be more tolerant of each other. I'm not sure what post Nance Greggs was talking about, but we need a lot more tolerance on both sides of the primary.

[Agnosticsherbet]

9. Omaha Steve, I think you are among the most decent people on this site.

This is the correct thing to do, and you took the lead.

[Agnosticsherbet]

127. You are correct.

[jillan]

116. Agreed.

[Hydra]

10. I wondered where that post went

And there was no reason to jury it out- I was going to post condolences to Nance on Jeff and my appreciation for his work on the DUzys back in the very different days that were DU then.

I will also post what I was going to there though: DU is not what it was, and it will probably not survive this primary. Our party may not as well.

[Firebrand Gary]

11. K&R

[Blue_In_AK]

12. I completely agree.

That was a bogus hide.

[Red Oak]

13. Nancy's post should not have been hidden

The DUZY should be for all members of DU.

[JohnnyLib2]

14. Thank you.

In a strange, sad way JeffR is bringing back a little unity.

[retrowire]

32. very true observation. nt

[coyote]

15. I disagree. That post was rightly hidden.

She called out flying squirrel by name and you don't broad side a member with an OP.

Had she left the name out, it would have been fine.

[rpannier]

25. Then something needs to be fixed

I've seen DUers called out by name and the posts stand and it is only because they're on the 'correct' side of the jury pool

It needs to get fixed somehow or people are going to have to be mature enough to put aside their political differences and be fair and honest, or don't sit on the jury

[zappaman]

38. No, it was a shit hide.

The fact that you can't see that, says a lot about you.

[William769]

46. ...

[Renew Deal]

104. It was a terrible hide

She stood up for her deceased husband.

The fact that YOU cannot see that, says a lot about you.

[Surya Gayatri]

74. K & R

Speaks volumes.

[George II]

136. And the fact that the other OP (the one being assailed) has been self-deleted to avoid further....

....criticism says a lot about the environment here these days.

[Surya Gayatri]

73. But, I guess that "broadsiding" other DUers by name in a snarky, fake "DUzy" thread IS okay,

if it's hidden behind the Bernie Sanders Group firewall?

Go figure. But then, no depths are off limits for some, it would seem .

[coyote]

75. if thats how you feel Surya,

then alert the post.

If I started calling people in OPs, I would fully expect to have my post alerted and hidden. This is nothing about Bernie vs. Clinton supporters.

...indeed!

[Surya Gayatri]

76. Alert? Why bother? With the 3/4 majority of Berners on this board,

and the jury system completely skewed, alerting is an exercise in futility. The fix is in.

Sure, I thought of alerting, but just threw up my virtual hands in resignation.

That you can't admit the outrageous nature of that faux DUzy thread, hidden behind the Sandbox firewall, speaks volumes of your character.

ETA: You will note that the shameless author has ex post facto deleted his/her own thread, but only after Nance dared to speak up.

[coyote]

78. Oh please stop with the holier than thou attitude.

I never said anything about the content of Nancegreggs thread....I only pointed that she called a person out in that thread. Apparently it's ok with you to just start rattling off DU members names and calling people out in OPs...I disagree.

[Surya Gayatri]

80. Holier than thou? Self-righteous? Pious? Sanctimonious?

Healer, heal thyself.

[coyote]

82. Why?

Who do you go to for your own personal work?

[Surya Gayatri]

84. Can you say "non sequitur"? I just did.

[coyote]

85. Super

I guess we´re done. Have a great day!

[Surya Gayatri]

86. We were done before we even started.

[zappaman]

137. You too!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

96. That's why I'm careful to point my whole hand.

So all five are pointed at the person at whom I'm pointing.

[Surya Gayatri]

110. Interesting exploit, but...could easily be misinterpreted as pointing out

that the manually indicated object is WORTHY of admiration.

You know, like introducing someone in public? Bringing on the next speaker at the podium, etc. etc. etc.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

118. Oh, bullshit

Even if the name was not included, it would have been hidden. Juries are no longer respecting anything but their own personal biases.

[uppityperson]

155. Yet DUZY threads call out lots of members by name.

[yardwork]

160. Always in a positive way. Never mocking the posters.

[Cha]

165. No it wasn't.. it was a horrible hide. And, thankfully the majority on this thread think so.

[kas125]

16. I'm a Bernie supporter and I agree, that was a horrible jury decision.

While I haven't agreed with much that Nance has written in years, I totally support her opinion about the awards. I think it was wrong for someone else to hijack the name and it's even worse to try to hide Nance's thoughts on the matter. I wasn't on that jury, but if I had been I wouldn't have hidden her post. She has more right than anyone to say what she thinks about the DUzy's.

[ucrdem]

17. Another Lord of the Flies moment on social media.

Just when you thought ABC fever couldn't get any weirder, it got weirder.

p.s. thanks OS . . . so sorry Nance

[Mosby]

18. really bad hide

[tkmorris]

19. I don't think that was a good hide really

But the fact is Nance tends to be EXTREMELY rude from time to time. That sort of thing poisons people's attitude towards you, and can result in juries tending to be biased against you. It's not ideal perhaps, but it is what it is.

[kath]

23. Yes, even Skinner has warned that one's reputation here, and how they treat others, can affect jury

decisions. In other words, you can end up reaping what you have sown.
agree that it is what is is.

[yardwork]

123. NanceGregg's husband founded the DUzy awards. He is deceased.

Maybe you didn't realize that Nance's husband, who is recently deceased, was the creator of the DUzy awards. They were always positive threads about posts mocking Republicans.

It is in extremely poor taste - to say the least - for the Bernie Sanders group to coopt the name and logo that Jeff created and use it to mock other DUers.

To then hide a thread by Jeff's widow asking the Bernie Sanders group not to do that is beyond poor taste. It is deliberately cruel. It is the action of trolls.

Be careful who you defend. As this OP states, there is finally a line between right and wrong.

[Hortensis]

148. There is indeed. Everything about the disrespect for the

unifying purpose of the DUzy awards, the need for Nance to try to reclaim them for DU, and the subsequent hide was all wrong. There is no right to this.

[JTFrog]

150. +1 n/t

[Number23]

173. Perfectly well said.

[Jackilope]

159. I wouldn't have seen it, as I have utilized "ignore" on a few

Nance being one. I do not agree with the hide nor would have hidden it if on Jury Duty.

[noamnety]

121. I agree.

I would not have voted to hide it. But it didn't escape me that the person whining about divisive posts has no problem recommending articles like "An Ode to My Berniebro Trolls" and calling them "great."

[yardwork]

128. That definitely deserves punishment.

Nance's husband just died, so let's exploit something he invented and use it to pick on other DUers, while hiding behind the Bernie group firewall, and if his widow dares to complain, Bern the Witch!

That's what you seem to be saying.

[noamnety]

130. Please reread my post.

"I would not have voted to hide it."

And you'll notice I was not a contributor to the DUzy thread itself, or someone who recommended it - for a reason.

I'm just pointing out that if you are promoting divisiveness when it benefits your candidate and decrying it when it hurts your candidate, people will inevitably question your sincerity to the cause of bringing the community together.

[yardwork]

139. I appreciate your response and the fact that you didn't contribute to or rec the thread.

[yardwork]

126. Being rude from time to time means that one's deceased husband is exploited.

It's ok to be cruel and exploitative toward a person who recently lost their spouse, because they're sometimes rude? That's your world view?

Really?

[phleshdef]

20. As a Sanders supporter but also a long time DUer, I still like Nance Greggs and that was a shit hide

[LittleGirl]

47. +1 n/t

[HuckleB]

21. A lot of odd hides have been happening lately.

Meanwhile, personal attacks that stigmatize mental illness have gotten a pass, as have outright ugly epithets aimed at other DUers.

Something is not right.

[Vincardog]

22. Omaha Steve, that was a bad hide. The jury system is broken.

[marlakay]

174. Its only broken if you don't do the right thing

I try very hard to look at whether its a decent thing to be said or not. I try hard not to go by whether its a Bernie or Hillary leaning post.

[Vincardog]

179. You blame me for this bad hide?

[marlakay]

181. No way misunderstood me

I think the jury was wrong. I just meant everyone shoukd do what i am doing. I wouldn't have hid it.

[longship]

24. I support you on this, OS. And Nance, too.

And I, too, am proud of my DUzy awards.

[Fearless]

26. Happy her meta was hidden. This will likely be to.

Good.

[William769]

48. No surprise here.

[Fearless]

49. No meta is allowed, whether you like the poster or not.

[Surya Gayatri]

77. But, a flagrant "META" OP, snarkily masquerading as fake DUzys, is just fine.

"Broadsiding" other DUers by name in a snide, faux "DUzy" thread IS okay, as long as it's hidden behind the Bernie Sanders Group firewall?

Your skewed sense of fairplay has been noted.

[Fearless]

99. I said no such thing.

[Surya Gayatri]

113. See reply here:

There's a question mark at the end of my question...

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027681406#post105

Wrong addressee.

[Surya Gayatri]

105. There's a question mark at the end of my question...

Awaiting (and hoping for) your sincere "disavowal" of the insulting and outrageous "DUzy" OP, which Nance Greggs was protesting when her OP was unjustly hidden.

[LanternWaste]

129. Hence, your current engagement in it?

Hence, your current engagement in it?

(rationalization to follow below...)

[Fearless]

167. What?

Citing the rules is allowed my dear.

[Cha]

62. Exactly. Only certain META is allowed.. but Nance defending the real story of her late husband's

Legacy is not by some people.

Fortunately most People have a heart in this respect.

[rpannier]

27. Should have hid that frickin DUzy

I was stunned and deeply disappointed when I saw it
I always thought somethings were meant to bring us together and the DUzy's were one of those
Hope it's the last one of them

[SusanCalvin]

131. It's self-deleted now, but I gather from other replies here

that it called Hillary supporters out by name, in the Bernie group where they could not stick up for themselves without getting banned, if they weren't already.

(I'm banned myself, for posts not even in the in the Bernie group - and I'm a strong Bernie supporter.)

I'd like to see that self-deleted post, but based on what I've gathered around the edges I don't like it, and I don't like Nance's hide either.

[hay rick]

28. Bad hide. Agreed. nt

[PatrickforO]

29. I don't think that post should have been hidden. I would not have voted so.

I'm pretty fervently for Sanders because I like his stance on issues and I feel like he cares about me and my family because he's bringing up our kitchen table issues.

I've been guilty of some snark toward Clinton, for sure.

But the real enemy are the capitalist parasites who have so corrupted our political system that they have 'captured' our nation. Unless we can reverse this corporate corruption, we're all fucked. And definitely our children, our grandchildren and our world. Ultimately we're gonna have to stick together to oppose Trump because the very fact he's the front running Republican is an offense against everything this nation should stand for. Again, the blame goes to the Kochs and other oligarchic parasites for funding and building up these crazies so they have political power. Now we've got a demagogue and we have to prevent him from getting elected. Period.

[retrowire]

30. i had no idea the DUzy was something created

by members.

I thought it was made up by the admins. I am a noob to this site in comparison to all the veterans here.

that said, yeah that is a fucked up hide against Nance greggs

[Cha]

31. KIck for the fucking unfairness of the FUBARED JURY SYSTEM.

Thank you, Steve.

And, thank you Nance since I can't thank you on your thread.

[lovemydog]

36. Hi Cha. You can still rec that thread

if you agree with it. I just did. You probably already know that. I wanted to let everyone here know.

[Cha]

40. I did, lovemydog.. and yes, it's a great idea to let others know, too!

[rpannier]

41. I rec'd it

Hope many others do as well

[awoke_in_2003]

59. I didn't realize that

Thanks, I just rec'ed it

[lovemydog]

61. Cool.

You're welcome.

[Hekate]

68. I recced Nance's thread. nt

[Surya Gayatri]

79. Just went there and recc'ed it, too. Outrageous hide, but par for the course around here now.

[snooper2]

117. maybe we should just run every single alert by you since you are so good at judging content

[lovemydog]

33. Thank you for your post Omaha Steve.

I support friend on this side of the spectrum if they are being bullied or have their posts hidden, regardless of whether they support Sanders or Clinton or are undecided. This hide of Nance's post was wrong. I support you Omaha Steve and I support Nance because you are decent people. Just as my personal two cents I also agree one hundred percent with what Nance is saying in that post. The DUZY's were never intended to divide democrats and were never ever used in that way.

[nomorenomore08]

34. I'm a Bernie supporter, but fair is fair. That OP shouldn't have been locked. n/t

[Scootaloo]

37. Posthumous rec to Nance's thread

[NanceGreggs]

39. Thank you, Steve ...

… for your kind PM (which arrived within minutes of my thread being locked), but also for posting this OP.

The DUzys were a means to UNITE through laughter, and a way to honour those who sparked that laughter with their wit and style.

To see it used as a means to DIVIDE through portraying snark as wit, or as a means to "award" said divisive snark, was more than I could bear.

If anyone on this site wants to start their own “awards” based on what DU is now, they should do so. But there is no need to spit on JeffR’s DU legacy in the doing.

Thanks to all who have my back on this – especially those who disagree with my political views, but are nonetheless willing to stand with me on this particular issue.

[joshcryer]

42. Did you alert the results?

I don't even know what was in that that was hide worthy. I've seen people hide posts with characters that don't show up (I guess you copy-pasted that from a text editor with fancy quotes?) for no reason and that's the only thing I can think of.

[NanceGreggs]

51. I'm sorry.

I don't understand what you mean by copy-pasted or fancy quotes.

My OP did not contain the strange icons that are now displayed there. That happened AFTER the OP was "hidden". The icons have replaced quotation marks and apostrophes - and how or why that happened after the fact is anyone's guess.

[joshcryer]

56. Oh weird, that makes some hides I've seen even more inexplicable.

I've seen many posts like that which were hidden after the fact that I couldn't make heads of tails of what was wrong with them. I even joked with a DUer I know on FB that her posts were getting hidden because of the weird unpritable characters.

So I'm completely at a loss as to what the alerter said or why it was hidden.

[NanceGreggs]

65. Here is the "alert" ...

... and the jury decision:



The DUzy Awards - and the hijacking thereof.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027681281

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

This is disruptive meta, and a viscous call-out of Flying Squirrel. Nancy has no copyrights to anything posted on DU by her, her late husband, or anyone else.

JURY RESULTS

A randomly-selected Jury of DU members completed their review of this alert at Sun Mar 13, 2016, 10:47 PM, and voted 5-2 to HIDE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Nance has the right to express herself and remind DUers about the intent behind the awards. She did so politely.
Juror #2 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #4 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Agree completely with the alerter, this is a nasty call out of a decent poster who is doing nothing wrong.
Juror #5 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Loved JeffR and the DUzy awards. They were a weekly treat. Even won a couple. But this is obviously meta, with a call out to boot.
Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #7 voted to HIDE IT
Explanation: Truly a rarity that I vote to hide, but in addition to the call out, the attempt to take what is now part of DU tradition and dictate its use among members is absurd.

[joshcryer]

70. Ugh.

What can I say. No words.

[kcr]

103. I gave up the fight long ago on why the jury system is so bad

But this is a classic example of why it's so. The bad alert with the shoddy reasons for justifying a hide. You can see the struggle to justify them by those who voted to hide. There was no chance for a discussion. If there had been, some of those who had voted to hide may have been persuaded not to. This is why this isn't an indication of community standards. It's a flimsy substitute for moderation and it fails.

[JTFrog]

157. Wow, juror #7.

It would be nice if people would recognize when they should excuse themselves from a jury. Like when you decide to hide shit based on absolutely zero knowledge of what the fuck you're talking about. I mean if they were so familiar with DU tradition there is no way they would have made such a shit statement.

[uppityperson]

158. Call outs are not against TOS. I've seen many alerts stating they are, but there is NOTHING in TOS

saying no call outs. The link is at the bottom of every page on DU. If someone can find a part of the TOS that says that, I'd be very happy to read it and say I was wrong.

However, juries are to rule on what DU Community Standards are. If they judge a post is outside DU Community Standards, they are to hide it. If not, not.

So the question becomes, are call outs of other threads against DU community standards? If so, then there are a shitload of posts that should be locked, including that duzy thread.

Sorry for the rant, but the "against TOS" keeps popping up and is wrong. It isn't.

Also, it might've gotten locked as meta, but that should be up to Hosts, not juries. They are the ones who decide if it's disruptive meta.

I am sorry your post got hidden, I agree it should not have.

[yardwork]

161. I think I know who made that alert. Very distinctive writing style.

[zappaman]

163. "viscous"

[yardwork]

164. Uh huh. I think you're thinking what I'm thinking....

"this is disruptive meta..."

[Bobbie Jo]

177. Sure is...

The Rhetoric Is All Too Familiar.

[DemocraticWing]

180. That alerter is full of a viscous substance, if you ask me.

I can't believe 5 people actually voted to hide that.

[Cha]

57. I loved Jeff's DUzys, Nance.. I always wanted to be one. lol

thank you for writing your OP on the real story and his legacy.

Your hide was just the latest egregious example of the FUBARED Jury System on du.

[awoke_in_2003]

60. Bravo

The DUzys I received while Jeff was running them were an honor. I do miss him

[Mother Of Four]

120. I read the original post -

And as I've said before, people need to have thicker skins. If a well thought out REQUEST and REMINDER is voted on to be hidden. Well I have no words.

I don't stand on the same step as you with our candidates, but I most definitely stand with you on this. You have EVERY RIGHT to remind people how and why the DUzy's came to be and what they are for. And Nance,with all my heart, I'm so sorry for your loss. The fact that this is a digital legacy, doesn't make it any less of a legacy and part of him.

[TexasTowelie]

43. Thank you Steve!

[cwydro]

44. Ridiculous hide.

Sure hope the alerter and jurors are proud of themselves.

Smh.

[Duval]

45. I do not understand why the thread was hidden.

Omaha Steve, you are one of the nicest, smartest, committed people here. I am grateful for what you bring to DU.

[awoke_in_2003]

63. It was hidden

because some people are shit heads

[JonLeibowitz]

50. Terrible Hide (from a Sanders supporter). Thanks for the thread, OS.

[denbot]

52. Absolutely terrible hide.

Shameful and another example of alert abuse coupled with a jury that didn't think through their decision.

[pinebox]

53. awful hide

Sorry Nance but this is crap.....ugh

[LiberalLovinLug]

55. It was a wrongfully hidden post

I've had my clashes with Nance, but I don't understand why that post or OP was hidden. It may have been as someone pointed out that Nance just rubbed some the wrong way, and as luck or coincidence would have it, 5 of them happened to be on this jury. She has a tendency to fall back on a scolding tone. I've been the recipient. But i still respect her and especially her opinion on something her departed husband had initiated. And I agree that the DUzy always was a more light hearted stab at the opposition party. And it shouldn't be used as a hammer against supporters of the "other" candidate within the same Democratic party.

I'm sorry this happened.

But I also feel that the jury system, by and large, works well in here. This result was a strange anomaly.

[awoke_in_2003]

58. Right on, Steve

I am a Bernie supporter, but the DUzys are meant to be a unifying thing. I miss Jeff, and support Nance.

[Hekate]

66. It was a heartless cruel hide. The alerter and jury should be ashamed of themselves.

[Betty Karlson]

67. Great respect for your voice of reason.

I hope it will be heeded.

(At the same time, such restraint should not be taken as a nudge to the Hill-Billy-Hide fanatics to lay claim to the DUzies. And given the characters over there, that is almost bound to happen.

Tantae aleae iam iactae sunt...

[HuckleB]

69. The jury system gets worse by the day.

It's more about politics tha actual behavior, anymore.

[Surya Gayatri]

71. Shameful hijack of a DU classic for petty partisan purposes. Couldn't even reply to that

disgraceful "DUzy" thread because its craven creator hid behind the Bernie Group barrier, where I'm on the persona non grata list.

With you in solidarity, Nance. The hiding of your polite and cogent protest was just the proverbial last straw.

And, a thank you to you Omaha Steve, for daring to call out your own people on their OTT behavior.

for what was once DU.

[octoberlib]

81. I voted for Bernie in the primaries but agree

with Nance Greggs on this one. That shouldn't have been hidden.

[bbgrunt]

83. bad hide.

[Hoyt]

87. One reason I never vote to hide a post except rank vulgarity, threats, slamming family, etc.

If you can't rebut a post, let others do it.

[72DejaVu]

88. Many people agree it was an egregious hide

Fewer accept that this sort of shit goes on every day, because as long as it happens to "the other side", it's OK.

[SusanCalvin]

134. ^THIS^

[hlthe2b]

89. You are a good egg, Omaha Steve and I agree that that hide was beyond the pale

So many DUers have undoubtedly joined me in scarcely posting or just coming by for a few seconds to see if there is any real "news" posted. The angry climate is a big reason why.

I hope against hope that civility will return, no matter which primary candidate one favors.

[Quackers]

90. Agreed, bad hide. nt

[etherealtruth]

91. It is a truly sad day for DU when in-fighting is more important than ...

.... human decency and compassion.

What has DU become?

[gollygee]

111. +1 nt

[rbrnmw]

92. One the worst hides I have ever seen

I recced the thread Thanks OS for being a decent guy

[DemonGoddess]

93. Thank you for your support of Nance

This was a TERRIBLE hide. Nance was and is perfectly within her rights to object to the hijacking of her late husband's awards for humor.

[JSup]

94. Thank you

Been feeling down on humanity lately due to DU and some things in my personal life.

I'm new here as a poster, but have been reading off and on for years.

This is my first 'REC' for helping me remember that I am not alone on a planet full of a species that I don't feel I belong to.

[Omaha Steve]

98. Welcome to the DU

OS

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

95. I had not realized there was a specific 'Duzy Award Panel'. I thought anyone could and did say

'DUzy' to some comment they particularly thought funny.

[yardwork]

124. Nance's husband invented that. It became a DU thing.

[mercuryblues]

97. Nance rants

is big part of why I kept coming to DU. Even when I disagreed with the premise, the humor made them worth the read. The DUzies were something for ALL to laugh about. To use them in such a way does a disservice to JeffR's memory. Hiding your post was beyond appalling.

[kcr]

100. I agree

Kick and a rec from me, Steve

[Loki]

101. Thank you Omaha Steve.

n/t

[pintobean]

102. Meh, it was a good hide.

She called out another DUer by name in a meta OP. Those frequently get hidden.

The post she was complaining about is a separate issue.

[malaise]

106. Very wrong

Someone tried (and failed) to shut down H2OMan as well.

There is absolutely nothing wrong with NanceGreggs' post

[Bobbie Jo]

107. Thank you for this, OS

Unbelievable hide. Just wrong on so many levels.

The counterfeit DU'zy thread was one of the tackiest moves I've ever seen here, ever.

Nance was absolutely right to object, and many of us feel the same way when it comes to one of the last remaining DU traditions. I've objected more than once when someone tried to invoke DU'zy to high five another for a snide remark against another DU'er. DU'zys were NEVER used for this kind of backbiting nonsense.

It's encouraging to see DU'ers show up in this thread in support. I love Nance to pieces, and JeffR will always be a part of this place.

Thank you again, Steve, for standing up for Nance and JeffR. You're a class act.

[BooScout]

108. Thank you for this.

[Coventina]

109. Put me down as another Bernie supporter who supports Nancy.

[MH1]

112. I agree, that was a bullshit hide.

I've seen so much crap that should have been hidden and wasn't (on both sides of the primary divide), it's really weird to see a post like the one you're referring to get hidden.

[George II]

114. Thanks Steve, good job.

[SidDithers]

115. DU rec...

The DUzys should never have been restarted. The reconstituted, on-and-off again version has been a sad, pathetic imitation of the original JeffR version. DU is a different place than it was, and the DUzys no longer make sense in the current environment.

And that was a supremely shitty hide.

Sid

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

119. Why are we changing the name of the DUzies again?

Did I miss the official memo that this is now Bernie Underground. I mean yesterday someone let a post stand that Hillary was worse than Trump.

Just call the fucking place RAND/RON Underground already.

Fucking BEYOND tone deaf and disrespectful to Nance and the rest of DU.

[stage left]

122. I'm in complete agreement

with you on this, Omaha Steve. I personally found the current crop of "Duzys" neither amusing nor witty. And had I been on the jury I wouldn't have voted to hide Nance Gregg's Op.

In other news, I see the Brick Op is still up as far as I can tell. I thought it had been taken down. I am so disappointed that it has apparently not been.

[PowerToThePeople]

132. I'll Rec this META OP.

I am not a fan of the person whose OP was hidden (quite frankly I do not believe that individual is left of Nixon on the political spectrum) but would not have voted to hide that OP.

[Cali_Democrat]

133. Thank you, Steve. nt

[still_one]

141. REC & KICK

[herding cats]

138. Sure this is Meta, but a kind we need right now.

That was an obvious bad hide.

We are better than this level of petty vindictiveness here. Thanks for the reminder OS.

[one_voice]

140. K&R

[Omaha Steve]

143. I wasn't aware last night JeffR gave you the DUzy pic etc

I didn't mean to bring an end to a loved DU tradition. I would love to see the the DUzies continue as always. DUzies and LOLcats are something the DU desperately needs during the next couple months. You have my vote of confidence to carry on. Translation pretty please!!!

OS

[Flying Squirrel]

144. Thanks OS, you're a good guy

But don't blame yourself for anything. All things come to an end in their own due time.

[pintobean]

145. No good deed goes unpunished

I appreciate your efforts, but I don't think doing them in the Bernie group was a good idea. It certainly didn't warrant this massive pile-on, though.

I have no idea why this wasn't locked long ago. It clearly violates the SOP, as explained in Skinner's pinned thread. The OP even stated that it should be locked.

Threads complaining about Democratic Underground or its members; threads complaining about jury decisions, locked threads, suspensions, bannings, or the like; and threads intended to disrupt or negatively influence the normal workings of Democratic Underground and its community moderating system are not permitted.

[Agschmid]

166. No consensus in hosts.

We discussed whether this is "disruptive" meta, some thought yes, some thought no. When we can't reach a consensus then the default it to not lock it "leave" it.

That's what happened, FWIW some meta can be good I think.

[pintobean]

168. Totally ignoring what Skinner said in his pinned thread

The "are not permitted" part is in red, so it can't be missed.

[Agschmid]

169. DU will get through this.

[pintobean]

170. No shit.

But, a really lame answer.

[Agschmid]

171. I don't think "we did not have consensus" is a lame answer.

Skinner also said if you don't have consensus then err on the side of leave.

So we did.

[different equation]

146. k and r....

[Spazito]

147. Good OP, OS...

To use Jeff's DUzies to sow division and mock other DUers was appalling and totally inappropriate.

Hiding Nance's OP was also appalling, a very, very bad hide, imo.

[JTFrog]

149. The DUzy's are indeed being used in a very disrespectful and divisive manner.

I completely agree with Nance and I am appalled, but not surprised, that her post was hidden

[Rex]

152. I always think to myself

Her heart is in the right place.

[uppityperson]

153. k&r. The DUZY was never intended to split Democrats apart.

[liberal N proud]

154. It's out of control

[valerief]

156. Wow, that hide was really off the mark. I'm a Bernie supporter, too, but I can't see

why that post was hidden. The DUzy Awards have always been funny.

[Dont call me Shirley]

162. Who did this in the Bernie group?

[Number23]

172. I couldn't agree with you more. That was an absolutely cruel, almost nauseating hide

[Gothmog]

176. K&R

[Ken Burch]

178. Agreed. That OP should not have been hidden. n/t.