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kentuck

(111,079 posts)
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:14 PM Mar 2016

What are the odds ??

Of one of the nine Supreme Court Justices dying in the last year of a President's term?

Who was the last Justice to die while serving on the Court before Scalia?

It is not a common occurrence.

Republicans talk about how Justices have never been appointed this late during an election season?

With the odds so great, that is very possible.

However, regardless of the odds, the Senate should stick to the Constitution.

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What are the odds ?? (Original Post) kentuck Mar 2016 OP
if it were a republican president, they would be rushing everything to get his pick nominated spanone Mar 2016 #1
Absolutely! kentuck Mar 2016 #2
Republicans lied when they said that. See Scotus Blog. Agnosticsherbet Mar 2016 #3
The "Biden Rule" is acutally a "Biden suggestion"... kentuck Mar 2016 #4
Right. And it was mostly a call for bi-partisanship, pnwmom Mar 2016 #10
Thank you. Interesting. Gregorian Mar 2016 #5
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #6
So, if Trump wins? kentuck Mar 2016 #7
Message auto-removed Name removed Mar 2016 #8
The Constitution says SickOfTheOnePct Mar 2016 #13
One-third of all Presidents have appointed a Justice during a Presidential election year. pnwmom Mar 2016 #9
Thanks pnwmom! kentuck Mar 2016 #11
You're welcome, Kentuck. pnwmom Mar 2016 #12
nothing but obstruction. lying obstructionists. spanone Mar 2016 #14

Agnosticsherbet

(11,619 posts)
3. Republicans lied when they said that. See Scotus Blog.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:20 PM
Mar 2016
Supreme Court vacancies in presidential election years
The first nomination during an election year in the twentieth century came on March 13, 1912, when President William Taft (a Republican) nominated Mahlon Pitney to succeed John Marshall Harlan, who died on October 14, 1911. The Republican-controlled Senate confirmed Pitney on March 18, 1912, by a vote of fifty to twenty-six.

President Woodrow Wilson (a Democrat) made two nominations during 1916. On January 28, 1916, Wilson nominated Louis Brandeis to replace Joseph Rucker Lamar, who died on January 2, 1916; the Democratic-controlled Senate confirmed Brandeis on June 1, 1916, by a vote of forty-seven to twenty-two. Charles Evans Hughes resigned from the Court on June 10, 1916 to run (unsuccessfully) for president as a Republican. On July 14, 1916, Wilson nominated John Clarke to replace him; Clarke was confirmed unanimously ten days later.

On February 15, 1932, President Herbert Hoover (a Republican) nominated Benjamin Cardozo to succeed Oliver Wendell Holmes, who retired on January 12, 1932. A Republican-controlled Senate confirmed Cardozo by a unanimous voice vote on February 24, 1932.

On January 4, 1940, President Franklin Roosevelt (a Democrat) nominated Frank Murphy to replace Pierce Butler, who died on November 16, 1939; Murphy was confirmed by a heavily Democratic Senate on January 16, 1940, by a voice vote.

On November 30, 1987, President Ronald Reagan (a Republican) nominated Justice Anthony Kennedy to fill the vacancy created by the retirement of Louis Powell. A Democratic-controlled Senate confirmed Kennedy (who followed Robert Bork and Douglas Ginsburg as nominees for that slot) on February 3, 1988, by a vote of ninety-seven to zero.

In two instances in the twentieth century, presidents were not able to nominate and confirm a successor during an election year. But neither reflects a practice of leaving a seat open on the Supreme Court until after the election.

On September 7, 1956, Sherman Minton announced his intent to retire in a letter to President Dwight D. Eisenhower, and he served until October 15, 1956. With the Senate already adjourned, Eisenhower made a recess appointment of William J. Brennan to the Court shortly thereafter; Brennan was formally nominated to the Court and confirmed in 1957. The fact that Eisenhower put Brennan on the Court is inconsistent with any tradition of leaving a seat vacant.

And in 1968, President Lyndon B. Johnson nominated Abe Fortas, who was already sitting as an Associate Justice, to succeed Chief Justice Earl Warren, but the Fortas nomination was the target of a bipartisan filibuster – principally in reaction to the Warren Court’s liberalism and ethical questions about Fortas, although objections were certainly also made that it was inappropriate to fill the seat in an election year. That filibuster prompted Homer Thornberry, whom Johnson nominated to succeed Fortas as an Associate Justice, to withdraw his name from consideration in October 1968, because there was no vacancy to fill. Moreover, the failure to confirm Fortas as the Chief Justice did not leave the Court short a Justice, because Chief Justice Earl Warren remained on the bench.


The Constitution is clear that the President Shall appoint.

There is no such thing as the Biden Rule.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
10. Right. And it was mostly a call for bi-partisanship,
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:00 PM
Mar 2016

which President Obama has now echoed, in nominating a centrist for the current vacancy.

Response to kentuck (Original post)

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
7. So, if Trump wins?
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:52 PM
Mar 2016

Democrats can refuse to hold a vote until the next election if they are in charge of the Senate?

I think there are some things that are common sense. What if the President dies or is assassinated, does the Constitution say that we must give the oath to the VP immediately or is there a time limit on it?

Response to kentuck (Reply #7)

SickOfTheOnePct

(7,290 posts)
13. The Constitution says
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 05:08 PM
Mar 2016

the President must take the oath before "he enter on the execution of his office" So, while it doesn't lay out a time limit, there is no Presidential power until the oath is taken.

pnwmom

(108,977 posts)
9. One-third of all Presidents have appointed a Justice during a Presidential election year.
Wed Mar 16, 2016, 04:57 PM
Mar 2016

14 Presidents have appointed 21 Justices during a Presidential election year -- six of them even though their Presidential successors had already been elected. This is the first time in history that the opposing party has refused to consider any nominee.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/monkey-cage/wp/2016/02/29/one-third-of-all-u-s-presidents-appointed-a-supreme-court-justice-in-an-election-year/

The historical record supports that position: 14 presidents have appointed 21 justices during presidential election years. A half-dozen presidents, classic lame ducks, filled Supreme Court seats even though their successors had been elected.

These six lame duck presidents appointed Supreme Court justices – before their successors took office

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