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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsThanks to a national boycott, ‘hate radio’ is facing a $20 billion bankruptcy
http://deadstate.org/thanks-to-a-national-boycott-hate-radio-is-facing-a-20-million-bankruptcy/iHeart Media currently owns 850 radio stations spanning the country. These stations include hate radio pundits like Glenn Beck, Michael Savage, Rush Limbaugh, and Sean Hannity. All of these talking heads have been accused of fear mongering and spreading messages of misogyny, homophobia, racism, and xenophobia. Rush Limbaugh is so infamous for spreading ignorant ideas that nearly 140,000 people have signed a petition to boycott his sponsors.
Despite the national Rush Limbaugh boycott which led to thousands of sponsors fleeing iHeart Media over the last three years, President Bob Pittman refused to make changes, losing them millions. While this was not make or break for the $20 billion in debt company, the consumer brand name damage and loss of thousands of sponsors and listeners did nothing for the flagging outlet.
Ever since the 2008 Bain Capitol acquisition, which was alleged to be a move by presidential hopeful Mitt Romney to control media and get himself elected, iHeart has been struggling. According to Billboard reports, iHeart brought in $6.5 billion in revenue in 2015, but they also had $1.74 billion expense that resulted in a net loss of $661 million.
Call him a
edhopper
(33,491 posts)but fuck this company, i am sure this market will get a buyer and a new owner for it and the RW radio stations can go screw themselves.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)2 classic rock stations and a jazz station. I like both rock stations. They have a huge library that goes well into deep cuts and rare stuff. The free form is a little mellower than The Rock.
There are only 2-3 minutes of commercials per hour and they have phone apps.
edhopper
(33,491 posts)Omaha Steve
(99,506 posts)KFAB had to give up Husker radio because of these mounting loses. They carried the Huskers since the 1920's: http://www.democraticunderground.com/10026207437
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When I was in Omaha media, KFAB was such a respected name in radio. And the Huskers? That was where everyone listened.
Cher
AxionExcel
(755 posts)oldandhappy
(6,719 posts)lpbk2713
(42,742 posts)The type of programming they choose to carry is a business decision they are responsible for. Would they be willing to share their profits if they had gotten into something else that turned out to be wildly successful? Not a chance in hell.
yortsed snacilbuper
(7,939 posts)SunSeeker
(51,523 posts)Hekate
(90,565 posts)LiberalArkie
(15,703 posts)rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)terrestrial radio itself is on the way out. The market for those "local" stations at the cost it would take to run them just isn't there and thus, neither are advertisers. Or revenues. True for iBarf radio, even truer for local operations. Not enough people care or listen.
Ask the record business how this song goes.
1939
(1,683 posts)has been the only thing keeping AM stations viable for the last twenty to thirty years. First FM stereo then 8-track, cassette, and CD players killed the standard AM station format. Talk radio was the only thing they had that people would listen to.
Pre-packaged talk formats delivered to the station meant that you only needed an engineer and a salesman for local commercial spots on your payroll.
MidwestTech
(170 posts)I'm pretty confident it'll still be around when the time of Fallout happens.
Radio is relatively cheap to operate for it's coverage area and is still the best way to get to people not near a computer or in their cars. Radio can make it into the wilderness far beyond what cell phones can reach.
There will always be radio stations, thankfully. There may NOT be hate-radio however for much longer.
rjsquirrel
(4,762 posts)But a minor part of our culture.
That 20billiom dollar loss is blood. It's just taking a while to die.
maindawg
(1,151 posts)When Reagan corporations the media we began our decent into fascism. Millions of people have been hurt by this. Millions of friendships have ended because of these monsters. That they are on Armed forces radio is an abomination. I hope they all fit in hell.
Frustratedlady
(16,254 posts)horrid lies and eventually (best to hope for quickly) go down the drain. They have done so much damage to this country and much of that damage can never be repaired. The misinformation is too ingrained in peoples' minds, they can't be deprogrammed.
I don't wish bankruptcy on anyone, but I'll bend the rules for this group.
Marie Marie
(9,999 posts)Trump has stepped in to spew the hate. And he gets free air time.
SeattleVet
(5,477 posts)They don't need hate radio much anymore; they have a hate candidate that they have latched on to.
Initech
(100,043 posts)underpants
(182,632 posts)According to Billboard reports, iHeart brought in $6.5 billion in revenue in 2015, but they also had $1.74 billion expense that resulted in a net loss of $661 million.
Should there be an "a" after had?
Rex
(65,616 posts)So if revenue is 6.5 billion and operational costs are 1.74 billion, what happened to the 4.76 billion in profit? That would take care of almost a quarter of the outstanding bill! Gee did it get 'spent' somehow?
Something is rotten, he didn't change formats or his business model for a reason and I would be good money that reason is fraud. The GOPs favorite crime. Just a guess on my part.
I LOVE the fact that just like a typical repuke, he saw the end coming and did not a fuck give and now he is begging for his life! Couldn't happen to more horrible people. I hope he loses everything.
underpants
(182,632 posts)$6.5 B + 661M = $7.161B
$1.74B ????
Maybe the writer messed it up and the editor (of the letter people) didn't catch it.
Rex
(65,616 posts)Or they are using the Donald Trump accounting method ie worth 10 billion, which translates into 4 billion in change.
underpants
(182,632 posts)SFnomad
(3,473 posts)Glen Peoples with Billboard reports iHearts revenue last year was $6.5 billion, but they had $1.74 billion interest expense that drove a net loss of $661 million.
So filling in the missing information, they also has $5.41 billion in expenses. And without that interest expense, they would have had about a $1.1 billion profit.
underpants
(182,632 posts)Thanks
ProfessorGAC
(64,877 posts)It doesn't say the 1.74 billion was "expenses". It says "a $1.74 billion expense."
It reads more like an extraordinary expense that is on top of operational expenses. Perhaps debt service, and back-end payout on a merger, or transfer costs to get new station ID's or things like that.
The way i'm interpreting this is that they would have made about $1.08 billion on $6.5 billion in revenue (about right, percentage-wise) if not for the added expense.
underpants
(182,632 posts)It was $1.74 B in interest
ProfessorGAC
(64,877 posts)$1.74 billion in added debt? At industrial cost of capital, that's more than $40 billion in leverage.
What kind of idiots are making their financial calls?
underpants
(182,632 posts)Playbook. Sapping everything out of it in fees and a few salaries to Bain implants. Declare bankruptcy. As I understand it.
ProfessorGAC
(64,877 posts)Sounds like the things Silverspoon did in his "business" days.
underpants
(182,632 posts)FreedomRain
(413 posts)nt
xloadiex
(628 posts)MSNBC and CNN?
macandsandy
(17 posts)Please - I'd like to see all corporate media go down the rabbit hole.
AgadorSparticus
(7,963 posts)msongs
(67,367 posts)Chakab
(1,727 posts)due to the boycott.
The corporations didn't just pull their ads from right-leaning radio shows. They pulled them all political talk radio.
Stephanie Miller, Shultz, Randi Rhodes, Mike Malloy etc. are all off of terrestrial radio now.
malaise
(268,724 posts)Ailes and Fox are going down too
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)Arugula Latte
(50,566 posts)Oh, wait ...
Rex
(65,616 posts)The GOP is falling apart and like their usual moronic selves...they ignore the problem and pretend there is not one. I hope everyone involved with the Hate Machine ends up homeless. A fitting end to such horrible people.
malaise
(268,724 posts)naked and exposed and what's on display should scare everyone. What ReTHUGs want is one party government because only their views matter regardless of how backward, racist, misogynistic, or fake they are.
The sad truth is when you spend eons overthrowing governments on behalf of so called 'national interests' (those of the1%), the chickens must come home to roost and those same interests will try that at home. They will fail.
Rex
(65,616 posts)The ugly Cruz showed that laws don't matter if they go against GOP Teabagger commandments. Which are all batshit crazy. Deny a woman's basic rights, shit on the environment, kick kids in the teeth and poison their water, waiting for Rambo Jesus to show up and kill the liberals.
They always fail, because reality is on our side. They live on a flat earth. I am glad to see gravity bounce the entire nest of vipers. And yet a disturbing number of Americans are eating up the hate Dump is generating. Wanting to kill each other at rallies.
The GOP can go the way of the KKK, yeah still around but everyone smarter than Dump would hate their guts and avoid them like the plague.
Turbineguy
(37,296 posts)Trumphumper Club.
KansDem
(28,498 posts)Rex
(65,616 posts)The Hate Machine is why we are in such a fucked position socially, so all my hopes go toward Bob ending up living and eating out of dumpsters.
Oh wait Bob...here...I got this for you...
Jim Beard
(2,535 posts)and NOT because of their numbers but the network wanted to make the stations 100% Right Wing Radio. Stephanie and Bill made the point several time that their programs were getting better numbers than many of the Right Wing replacements.
No wonder they are losing money.
Try this out..... http://dar.fm/
BumRushDaShow
(128,527 posts)We need them back on "free" radio.
rurallib
(62,387 posts)and Steph was on a dinky little 1000 watt station.
ancianita
(35,950 posts)riversedge
(70,093 posts)Politicub
(12,165 posts)mountain grammy
(26,599 posts)Listen to Stephanie Miller. Then there's John Fuglesang , Neil deGrasse Tyson, and a few others. Good stuff out there.
rurallib
(62,387 posts)BTW you can watch and listen on the computer at https://www.freespeech.org/
mountain grammy
(26,599 posts)But Fuglesang and others are only on Sirius. His show is terrific.
OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)in Chicago online, but who knows for how much longer.
rurallib
(62,387 posts)believe his show is Sirius property.
KTNF in Minneapolis carries Steph and Thom online also.
OldHippieChick
(2,434 posts)Fugelsang is only on Sirius and I do adore him. Just haven't sprung for that yet.
Gothmog
(144,945 posts)Clear Channel changed its name a while back to Iheart
Upthevibe
(8,018 posts)off at least two years ago and it's such a bummer. I'd love it if they went out of business especially now during the election! Please God, Please......
Nitram
(22,768 posts)...conservatives now believe in. Hence, Trump.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)Democracy, such as it was, for a few hundred billion. What a deal for them.
Lordquinton
(7,886 posts)Why didn't I think of that?
Leith
(7,808 posts)I hope they are destroyed and never come back.
libodem
(19,288 posts)turbinetree
(24,685 posts)JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)It's available on the web as well as on the radio in certain areas of the country. It's liberal. It's not just public but LISTENER SUPPORTED.
I'm a member supporter and listener, but I do not have any other interest in the station.
I don't agree with all the attitudes and opinions they express and find some shows utterly uninteresting.
But, you can listen to their past shows online when you want to.
I recommend Ian Masters news show -- 5 p.m. Pacific time.
Democracy Now is one of their shows. Their music shows are great.
There are lots of other internet news shows, RealNews, Thom Hartmann, Ed Schultz and Democracy Now on its own internet site. Lots and lots of alternatives to the rotten TV and radio news.
Seek the truth. Forget the mainstream media.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Or even on my local transit agency's crappy WiFi, which makes me long for that of a cheap motel!
JDPriestly
(57,936 posts)You can stream their programs after they have been broadcast and it is worth it. But you are right, you cannot listen to them in your car if you are not near a station.
I listen to Ian Masters while I cook supper. But I am retired so my time is more flexible. We don't eat out. I cook. It's kind of one of the luxuries of retirement. I like to cook with lots of vegetables. My salads are practically a meal in themselves, and we eat them before we eat a meat or other dish.
FailureToCommunicate
(14,007 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,148 posts)up with debt and charged ridiculous "consulting" fees. That's how vulture capitalists work - buy distressed companies, load them up with debt, charge fees which get paid before all debts and then harvest the company by selling off assets.
mwooldri
(10,301 posts)Their issues:
1. Too much leverage. Taking on debt to buy station after station after station....
2. Investing in a product whose users are dying off quicker than new users coming on board. The average radio listener is getting older. Also: AM radio... who do you know who listens to AM radio anymore? Round these parts it's the Conservatalkers, the sports/talk, the gospel music stations and the Spanish language stations. We recently got Country Music back on AM radio but that's only because the station owners got a license for an FM translator for the AM station (they couldn't get a regular FM station license)
3. Too much centralization - Oops your local radio DJ's been replaced with RCS Master Control or other automation. and God help you if you're in a rural market and there's a natural disaster. There's no-one around to broadcast the emergency messages when the Emergency Broadcast System breaks down.
4. Too few salespeople and those salespeople are selling products they're not familiar with. Advertising on a hip-hop station is different to advertising on a news/talker ... and you got to know your product. People who were selling on the news/talker were asked to sell for the hip-hop station as well after any Clear-Channel takeover... something that some salespeople weren't comfortable in doing. If they're not effective at making money then... they're screwed.
Granted it's not just iHeartMedia that's having these problems, but they're having the worst time of it. There's a whole lot of automation in radio these days. Radio is a great medium, I think programming on radio needs to be reinvented though to stay relevant to today... though I think it needs to go through its own digital transition too.
mrdmk
(2,943 posts)Clear Channel was busted in 2007, of course admitted no wrong doing.
link: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Payola#Third-party_loophole
Here in the Los Angeles area, you cannot get away from iHeart Radio (aka Clear Channel)
104.3 FM KBIG Los Angeles, CA Adult Contemporary
1150 AM KEIB Los Angeles, CA News/Talk
640 AM KFI Los Angeles, CA News/Talk
102.7 FM KIIS Los Angeles, CA CHR
570 AM KLAC Los Angeles, CA Sports
103.5 FM KOST Los Angeles, CA Soft Adult Contemporary
92.3 FM KRRL Los Angeles, CA Urban
104.3 FM KBIG Los Angeles, CA Adult Contemporary
98.7 FM KYSR Los Angeles, CA Alternative Rock
Eleanors38
(18,318 posts)...real-time D.J.s, sensitive to local issues, music off the beaten track. All-solar powered and paying the bills.
Called "Solar Radio."
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)Interesting too that in the LA Times today, article that CBS is putting their radio network up for sale.
KNX1070, a news and traffic channel here in Los Angeles has been BLATANT promoting Rump...they never even mentioned Bernie for months. And if they have over the last few weeks, it's dismissive or with attitude.
hibbing
(10,095 posts)I'll only be happy when the local station here isn't rwnj 24 hours a day.
Peace
sendero
(28,552 posts)... read the whole article.
It is very unlikely that iHeart will be forced into bankruptcy. And even if they were, someone else will pick up the assets and continue.
I would love to see it happen (demise of all of those stations) but it is very unlikely.
DAMANgoldberg
(1,278 posts)It's on a daytimer, but still gets good ratings for the Asheville NC area (liberal oasis in the red sea of NC). I believe they still program the Madison station, but if I am correct, that may be it now for iHeartRadio progressive talk.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)The only decent station left in the Clear Channel/iHeart conglomerate.
I hope it gets sold off to local owners in Asheville, but since it is all run and broadcast from the same studio as their other stations splitting it off would be hard.
DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)WCPT Chicago Progressive Talk Radio is excellent!
nikto
(3,284 posts)Sam_Fields
(305 posts)They might be able to save FM radio, but AM radio is dead except for some news station formats that are still popular with the 50-65 yr old crowd. It has nothing to do with talk radio on it's own.
pstokely
(10,523 posts)but the AM band isn't even on the radar for people under 30, and kids today don't even bother with the FM band, most the products advertised on hate radio (and cable news) would have no use for anyone under 50, the advertisers during progressive talk radio aren't much different
Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)And that too explains part of the failing business model? No appeal to younger listeners?
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)briv1016
(1,570 posts)It was really the only reason to download that app.
FighttheFuture
(1,313 posts)freebrew
(1,917 posts)Warrensburg,(U of MO) sold their station a few years ago.
I turned to that frequency yesterday...Rush was rambling about something.
Immediately changed the station.
I can't believe anyone still listens to this asswipe.
Diremoon
(86 posts)Hence, I don't listen to radio anymore. Not in years.
yardwork
(61,539 posts)vkkv
(3,384 posts)False fabrications collapse due to having no sound structure like writing checks on an account with no money in it.
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)It always works. Great news.
Lorien
(31,935 posts)Other than voting, donating to Bernie, and talking to people you know about Bernie's policy positions and history, THE SINGLE GREATEST THING you can do to help his campaign is to WRITE A HARD COPY LETTER to the media protesting their Bernie Blackout and wall to wall Trump coverage! Mention that you will be contacting and boycotting their advertisers if they continue the Bernie blackout and Trump "infomercials". I know people who work in newsrooms, and I am told that one hard copy letter has the weight of 100 emails to a news director. This is, they have added, a huge reason why the media skews to the Right; right wingers mail in letters frequently, the Left never does, so the perception is that only the right wing is dissatisfied with their "reporting". Let us change that notion TODAY!
Please borrow time from posting here and on Facebook TODAY to write letters to FIVE of the organizations listed below. When finished, post the text of your letter and who you contacted to this thread.
ABC News: 147 Columbus Ave. New York, NY 10023
CBS News: 524 W. 57 St. New York, NY 10019
NBC News: 30 Rockefeller Plaza, New York, N.Y. 10112
MSNBC: One MSNBC Plaza, Secaucus, NJ 07094
CNN: One CNN Center, Atlanta, GA, 30303
New York Times: 620 8th Ave. New York, NY 10018
The Washington Post: 1301 K Street NW, Washington DC 20071
Timing is CRITICAL, DO THIS TODAY for Bernie!!
DownriverDem
(6,226 posts)I love it. Ever since the Detroit area lost it's progressive talk radio I have been streaming WCPT - Chicago Progressive Talk Radio. The station has saved my sanity. The Norman Goldman Show is one of the best. He's on from 6-9 pm (eastern time). He was the guy who use to fill in for Ed Schultz. If you want to save you sanity, check it out.
geretogo
(1,281 posts)treasonous Joseph Goebbels broadcasting Network destroying this country .
titaniumsalute
(4,742 posts)Boycotting Rush isn't what is bankrupting iHeart (Clear Channel.) The over-leveraging of hundreds of radio stations and paying huge mutiples is why they are in so much debt. They just took on way too much debt. The revenue for the radio stations overall are still strong but the profit margins can't pay for the debt owed. Yes Rush and the hate network isn't helping, but it is a much bigger picture than that.
I have a lot of friends who work for iHeart and I feel sad that they are stuck in the middle of this.