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Rudy Ravindra, a resident of Wilmington, penned an op-ed piece in the Raleigh News & Observer about his experience when he went to cast his ballot during the early voting period.
I gave my drivers license to a poll worker, HW. He kept it face down and ordered me to spell my name, Ravindra explained. Although I go by Rudy, my legal name is Rudravajhala. In order to save time, I requested HW look at my ID. He barked, You gotta spell it! So I took a deep breath and began. R-U-D-
During the encounter itself, there followed a scene reminiscent of an old literacy test administered by somebody who mightve had their own problems at passing it. Ravindra described it as a spelling test.
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http://www.rawstory.com/2016/03/voter-id-horror-story-nc-poll-workers-forced-brown-skinned-couple-to-take-a-spelling-test/
FlatBaroque
(3,160 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)But Pukes, Baggers, Haters, etc. will hail him as some kind of hero.
lagomorph777
(30,613 posts)Anything goes. Including our former democracy.
Solly Mack
(90,762 posts)Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)This horror reflects how deteriorated this country has become. It has to change.
1965 Louisiana Literacy Test (Slate News)
'The Impossible Literacy Test, Louisiana, 1965', Slate, 2013.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2013/06/28/voting_rights_and_the_supreme_court_the_impossible_literacy_test_louisiana.html
http://www.pbs.org/wnet/jimcrow/voting_literacy.html
FreedomRain
(413 posts)that shit was insane,; I had no idea it was that bad. 25 questions each confusingly worded, 10 minutes to do it, 1 wrong and you fail.
appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)was practicing law in Arizona in the 1960s he stood outside polls on election day to intimidate Hispanic voters. In the 1960s in Orange Co., CA, 'rent a cops' dressed in uniforms similar to Immigration officers were stationed outside polling places to scare Hispanics a DU poster commented recently.
The Voting Rights Act of 1965 signed by President Johnson was a landmark legislative achievement for civil rights. But in 2013, the conservative Roberts court gutted the key clause of the 1965 VRA which called for strict oversight of voting in states with a history of racial discrimination-- ostensibly because the US 'now had a black president.'
The 2013 Supreme Court decision also enabled states to quickly enact new voting restriction rules from Wisconsin to North Carolina, such as costly photo IDs which require birth certificates (extra fees, like 'poll taxes'), relocation of established polling places to smaller, difficult to find and park places to confuse voters and other obstruction measures. Most of the newer rules impact people who are city dwellers, lower income, elders, students and minorities.~
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- UNITED STATES DEPARTMENT OF JUSTICE, *Federal Voting Rights Laws- (symbols *>, capitalization by this writer)
https://www.justice.gov/crt/history-federal-voting-rights-laws
*THE VOTING RIGHTS ACT OF 1965*
The 1965 Enactment
By 1965 concerted efforts to break the grip of state disfranchisement had been under way for some time, but had achieved only modest success overall and in some areas had proved almost entirely ineffectual.
*The murder of voting-rights activists in Philadelphia, Mississippi, gained national attention, along with numerous other acts of violence and terrorism. Finally, the unprovoked attack on March 7, 1965, by state troopers on peaceful marchers crossing the Edmund Pettus Bridge in SELMA, ALABAMA, en route to the state capitol in Montgomery, persuaded the President and Congress to overcome Southern legislators' resistance to effective voting rights legislation. President Johnson issued a call for a strong voting rights law and hearings began soon thereafter on the bill that would become the Voting Rights Act.
>Congress determined that the existing federal anti-discrimination laws were not sufficient to overcome the resistance by state officials to enforcement of the 15th Amendment. The legislative hearings showed that the Department of Justice's efforts to eliminate discriminatory election practices by litigation on a case-by-case basis had been unsuccessful in opening up the registration process; as soon as one discriminatory practice or procedure was proven to be unconstitutional and enjoined, a new one would be substituted in its place and litigation would have to commence anew.
President Johnson signed the resulting legislation into law on August 6, 1965. Section 2 of the Act, which closely followed the language of the 15th amendment, applied a nationwide prohibition against the denial or abridgment of the right to vote on the *LITERACY TESTS on a nationwide basis.
-> Among its other provisions, the Act contained special enforcement provisions targeted at those areas of the country where Congress believed the potential for *DISCRIMINATION to be the greatest. Under Section 5, jurisdictions covered by these special provisions could not implement any change affecting voting until the Attorney General or the United States District Court for the District of Columbia determined that the change did not have a discriminatory purpose and would not have a discriminatory effect.
In addition, the Attorney General could designate a county covered by these special provisions for the appointment of a federal examiner to review the qualifications of persons who wanted to register to vote. Further, in those counties where a federal examiner was serving, the Attorney General could request that federal observers monitor activities within the county's polling place.
The Voting Rights Act had not included a provision prohibiting *POLL TAXES, but had directed the Attorney General to challenge its use. In Harper v. Virginia State Board of Elections, 383 U.S. 663 (1966), the Supreme Court held Virginia's poll tax to be unconstitutional under the 14th Amendment. Between 1965 and 1969 the Supreme Court also issued several key decisions upholding the constitutionality of Section 5 and affirming the broad range of voting practices that required Section 5 review. As the Supreme Court put it in its 1966 decision upholding the constitutionality of the Act:
Congress had found that case-by-case litigation was inadequate to combat wide-spread and persistent discrimination in voting, because of the inordinate amount of time and energy required to overcome the obstructionist tactics invariably encountered in these lawsuits. After enduring nearly a century of systematic resistance to the Fifteenth Amendment, Congress might well decide to shift the advantage of time and inertia from the perpetrators of the evil to its victims.
South Carolina v. Katzenbach, 383 U.S. 301, 327-28 (1966).
FreedomRain
(413 posts)whats next in their plans? Show your gun and cross to vote please..
appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)WASHINGTON The Supreme Court on Tuesday effectively struck down the heart of the Voting Rights Act of 1965 by a 5-to-4 vote, FREEING NINE STATES, MOSTLY IN THE SOUTH, to change their election laws without advance federal approval.
The court divided along ideological lines, and the two sides drew sharply different lessons from the history of the civil rights movement and the nations progress in rooting out RACIAL DISCRIMINATION in voting. At the core of the disagreement was whether racial minorities continued to face barriers to voting in states with a history of discrimination.
OUR COUNTRY HAS CHANGED, Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. wrote for the majority. While any racial discrimination in voting is too much, Congress must ensure that the legislation it passes to remedy that problem speaks to current conditions.
>The decision will have immediate practical consequences. Texas announced shortly after the decision that a voter identification law that had been blocked would go into effect immediately, and that redistricting maps there would no longer need federal approval. Changes in voting procedures in the places that had been covered by the law, including ones concerning restrictions on early voting, will now be subject only to after-the-fact litigation.
President Obama, whose election as the nations first black president was cited by critics of the law as evidence that it was no longer needed, said he was deeply disappointed by the ruling.
Read More: http://www.nytimes.com/2013/06/26/us/supreme-court-ruling.html?_r=0
appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)http://www.neatorama.com/2013/06/28/1960s-Voting-Literacy-Test/
*"The Impossible Literacy Test in Louisiana, 1965, Voting Rights and the Supreme Court", Slate, 2013.
http://www.slate.com/blogs/the_vault/2013/06/28/voting_rights_and_the_supreme_court_the_impossible_literacy_test_louisiana.htm
fasttense
(17,301 posts)It took hours to find the right office, get a hold of the right person and pay the correct amount. It wasn't about the $2.00. It was about giving a voter so much aggravation and bother that they would give up. And without that receipt, they could NOT vote. Some people never did figure out the labyrinth of government red tape in order to vote. AND the polling authorities changed the requirements and offices where you paid every election.
That's what voter ID is all about aggravation and bother so that those who could NOT afford a day off of work would give up and never vote.
appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)ProfessorGAC
(64,995 posts)"draw a line around...". Wouldn't it be easier to say "circle"?
Clearly, the questions were designed to confuse.
keithbvadu2
(36,775 posts)My g-grandfather was an old time Canuck down from Quebec.
He said he didn't see why he had to pay a poll tax.
He hadn't used his pole in years.
appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,775 posts)appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)keithbvadu2
(36,775 posts)Sorry if you couldn't catch it.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Sorry if you couldn't catch it..."
I blame my awful throws on bad catches too.
lancer78
(1,495 posts)I get the joke, but considering the topic of this thread, it was in poor taste. Of course, Canuck's have never had their ability to vote suppressed as people of color in America have.
keithbvadu2
(36,775 posts)lancer78
(1,495 posts)svpadgham
(670 posts)Without actually calling you racist, and they don't want to be accused of calling you racist. Really, it seems to be a case of being offended for the sake of being offended.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)paleotn
(17,911 posts)...the poll worker at my precinct took my license and then made me state my street address, city and zip. She apologized for having to ask. Had I been of minority descent, she may not have been as cordial, even in my ultra polite county. It stinks and we're embarrassed. My condolences to Rudravajhala. The majority of North Carolinians do not approve of what the morons in Raleigh have been up to. But they need to show up at the damn polls even in off year elections and put and end to this shit.
LiberalArkie
(15,713 posts)appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)apologized and confirmed to him (Ravinda) that poll workers only have to look at the photo ID- there was no necessity for him to have to spell out his name.~
<Raw Story article, end snip>
Ravindra added: My wife and I couldnt help but feel that we were singled out. The poll workers could have simply looked at our IDs and saved a lot of time. That in a sea of white faces at both polling stations my wife and I were the only brown-skinned individuals also led us to suspect that we were victims of racial prejudice. In these days of Trumpism and shameless xenophobia and other assorted phobias, we cant be blamed if we are paranoid.
After this entire saga ended for both Ravindra and his wife, he called the state Board of Elections to lodge a complaint. The director apologized and confirmed to him that poll workers only have to look at the photo ID there was no necessity for him to have to spell out his name.
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->This voter discrimination and restriction is serious...a slippery slope..
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)"the poll worker at my precinct took my license and then made me state my street address, city and zip. She apologized for having to ask."
Same here.... and I'm just north of Wilmington.
We have this ridiculous bought and paid for legislature that governs by pet peeve.
Mnpaul
(3,655 posts)even after that, GOP poll workers attempted it when I showed up to vote(I'm white and lived in the state most of my life). They asked for my ID and told them "I don't need it, that law failed" and pointed out that if anyone wants to challenge my eligibility to vote, they may do so in writing(with proof) and submit it to an election judge. She shut up and gave me my ballot.
geardaddy
(24,926 posts)I was worried it would pass. Good for you for standing up to the election judge. I've never had that happen to me, but I'm in the most solid DFL district in the state.
Duval
(4,280 posts)And yes, we need to vote them out. The Republicans have set NC back 50 years or more.
certainot
(9,090 posts)without RW talk radio and 16 of those limbaugh stations, maybe the loudest in the state, depend heavily on these NC universities
North Carolina 8, North Carolina State 3, Duke 3, East Carolina 2
those schools should be ashamed to continue these relationships- those stations are tump stations!
they should be protested until they look for apolitical alternatives to broadcast their sports
appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)because of agreements to cover their SPORTS EVENTS it was real bad news. Ties to RW Hate Media have to be squashed!
appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)No. 5. College students were rejected by almost 5%. They couldn't use their driver license as ID if it was out if state or if it was their parent's home address instead of their current one while at school
http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027702747
AgingAmerican
(12,958 posts)Because they don't compromise on anything and every inch we give up makes them more powerful and this is how they show their thanks.
appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)How outrageous what the WWII Veteran of Iwo Jima recently experienced in Wisconsin under the state's new voter suppression laws. Elderly people who live in nursing homes or their own homes but don't drive or have a photo ID, now must obtain birth certificates and Non Driver IDs in states like Wisconsin because of new rules although they never needed special IDs to vote in the past.
Several years ago a man in Wisconsin who always drives a bus to take seniors to vote on election day called a radio program saying the people would have to go through a lot of effort to obtain new IDs in time for the upcoming election. People don't always know that new voter restriction laws have been put in place, and what's going on locally and nationally until they find out when they go to vote, unfortunately.
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"A 90-YEAR-OLD IWO JIMA VETERAN COULDN'T VOTE IN SCOTT WALKER'S WISCONSIN", This Should Be A Message to the DNC. Will Debbie Wasserman Schultz Hear It? By Charles Pierce, Esquire, Feb. 25, 2016.
Life's tough and getting tougher out in that Midwest subsidiary formerly known as the state of Wisconsin, where goggle-eyed homunculus Scott Walker remains the managing director. Now, it seems casting your ballot in a state election has become harder than surviving the slog up Mount Suribachi was.
In her letter, Bradley said her uncle had fought at IWO JIMA, the bloody World War II battle that was immortalized in a photo of the U.S. flag being raised on the tiny Pacific island. Tuesday marked the 71st anniversary of the 1945 flag raising. Bradley's uncle, Leo Olson of Reedsburg, tried to use his VETERANS ID CARD to vote in last week's primary for a seat on the state Supreme Court, but that form of identification can't be used under the state's voter ID law. Olson does not have a driver's license. That could soon change because of legislation the state Senate is to take up next month. Even if approved, it may not be in place for the April 5 election, when voters will decide the state Supreme Court race and cast ballots in the presidential primaries.
"He considers voting part of his patriotic duty," Bradley wrote to Walker.
"Yet, last week this proud patriot of 90 years of age was embarrassed and confused when he went to the polls and was denied his right to vote. Then he presented his veterans administration card with his picture on it, he was told that the card was not listed as 'acceptable' proof of his identity. He responded: "YOU MEAN VETERANS CAN'T VOTE?'"
I guarantee you that there are hundreds of examples of things like this out there. VETERANS. GRANDPARENTS. HONOR STUDENTS. COPS. NURSES. Each one of them could be used to shame the people who are writing and passing VOTER-SUPPRESSION LAWS ALL OVER THE UNITED STATES. These examples could provide an endless stream of campaign commercials that would have the advantage of actually being true. However, this would require competent, forward-thinking leadership at the DEMOCRATIC NATIONAL COMMITTEE which is, at the moment, being run by someone whose primary concentration apparently is ensuring herself good seats at the 2017 inauguration.http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a42451/scott-walker-voter-id-veteran/
LittleGirl
(8,282 posts)La Lioness Priyanka
(53,866 posts)cynzke
(1,254 posts)The poll worker wanted proof that this was a legitimate voter, not someone with a borrowed I.D. That is why they asked the voter to spell his last name. If he is the real person that matches the I.D., he would be able to spell the name. Its like asking a teenage kid who presents an I.D. for a 21 yr. old and the clerk is suspicious the I.D. is fake, so they ask the teen what year was he born. If the kid is really 21, then they should be able to identify their year of birth accurately without hesitation. There is so much false propaganda about foreign illegals trying to vote, the poll worker was suspicious. The couple was singled out due to their ethnicity. The poll worker was over zealous in doing their job.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)LOOK AT THE FUCKING PICTURE!!!!!!!
AlbertCat
(17,505 posts)You forgot.... they all look alike.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Maybe Cletus should just be relieved of his duties. Can't hack it. Let him spend election day jerking off to Rump and dreaming of sending them "all back to where they belong".
mfcorey1
(11,001 posts)appalachiablue
(41,127 posts)that the poll workers only have to LOOK at the photo ID--there was no necessity for him to have to spell out his name.'
It was discrimination by race and country of origin which is against federal law.
My last name is two, hyphenated surnames that are fairly long and unusual. I've never been asked to speak, pronounce or spell my name or any other information on my ID when voting in elections.
<Raw Story article, end snip>
Ravindra added: My wife and I couldnt help but feel that we were singled out. The poll workers could have simply looked at our IDs and saved a lot of time. That in a sea of white faces at both polling stations my wife and I were the only brown-skinned individuals also led us to suspect that we were victims of racial prejudice. In these days of Trumpism and shameless xenophobia and other assorted phobias, we cant be blamed if we are paranoid.
>After this entire saga ended for both Ravindra and his wife, he called the state Board of Elections to lodge a complaint. The director apologized and confirmed to him that poll workers only have to look at the photo ID there was no necessity for him to have to spell out his name.
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kcr
(15,315 posts)And the Director at the State Board of Elections apologized and and stated this shouldn't have happened? I don't get why you think other people are missing what's going on here.
Pacifist Patriot
(24,653 posts)That's a good summation of what happened here.
Capt. Obvious
(9,002 posts)the trick is to ask them their astrological sign.
RoccoRyg
(260 posts)Here, when someone's signature isn't a close enough match to the one on file, we have them state the last two numbers of their social security. No IDs required.
questionseverything
(9,651 posts)RoccoRyg
(260 posts)That happened at Wheaton College, an evangelical private college, so one shouldn't be surprised.
We had some people who had to register at my prescient too, and they absolutely needed proof of address to do so. If they didn't have it, we told them to come back with it and gave them all the instructions necessary. Plus, we had two ePoll-books, one for registering and one for looking up people's names and signatures, so the line could be moved along in an orderly fashion. We :had one terrible rush around 6:00, but our system worked pretty well.
Granted, I understand a long line to register near closing time is frustrating because it takes some time to set up, but this judge's behavior is completely irresponsible. Judges have no authority to arrest anyone.
LuckyLib
(6,819 posts)TNNurse
(6,926 posts)It is not on the driver's license in TN and does not need to be. Poll workers have no business having access to SS numbers.
The last two numbers of the SSN are in the computer tablet we get (the ePoll Book) along with a person's signature. We never know the whole SSN.
TNNurse
(6,926 posts)Of course I am white so I have never been harassed when I vote. Of course in my area they work hard not to flinch when I say "Democratic"primary.
retrowire
(10,345 posts)Posting the fact that NC has voter ID laws that corrupt our voting process will get you accused of trying to explain AA and PoC votes as false.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=1498834
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)have ever had a history of doing such activity...
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)when likely democratic voters are being dienfranchised? and we all know why the GOP targets POC. and we all know that was a part of the reason for Florida 2000, and Bush.
Chitown Kev
(2,197 posts)and it's OK that we disagree.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)Duval
(4,280 posts)There were irregularities in many precincts. Someone mentioned the DOJ. That would be nice.
noiretextatique
(27,275 posts)I know this was an issue Holder was passionate about.
Takket
(21,560 posts)get a lawyer and make them pay for this.
UTUSN
(70,683 posts)As soon as I heard "voter ID" I knew what it is.
LonePirate
(13,417 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)B2G
(9,766 posts)Ans give them my address. Didn't think anything of it.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)"Didn't think.."
Of course not.
B2G
(9,766 posts)Last edited Tue Mar 22, 2016, 05:26 PM - Edit history (1)
or voter suppression.
Get a grip.
REP
(21,691 posts)My last name which is my "maiden" name, is hyphenated and is apparently impossible to spell or pronounce in California. While its Welsh, it's not one of those Welsh names. The DMV screwed up and my full, legal name isn't on my driver's license but I'm registered to vote under my complete name, so looking at my license doesn't help.
My husband's surname is even worse. It starts with a silent consonant and just gets weirder from there.
Festivito
(13,452 posts)One left, the other stayed and voted.
I think this issue is of spelling a name is an attempt to clear the air by making it too smoky to see the real problem.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)rockfordfile
(8,702 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)No one was forced to take a spelling test.
LiberalArkie
(15,713 posts)misspelling of the clerks.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)A spelling test would be if they were given a few difficult words and required to spell them correctly in order to be permitted to vote.
LiberalArkie
(15,713 posts)oberliner
(58,724 posts)The implication that this is akin to literacy tests of days gone by is not fair in my opinion.
LiberalArkie
(15,713 posts)In fact when I voted I handed them my DL like I have for the last 20 years and this year they flipped it backwards and asked me to spell my name. I showed her the DL, she flipped it back over and asked me to spell my name. I told her. She misspelled it as Johnston and said I wasn't in the computer. I told her it was Johnson. Then she asked my my address and misspelled my address etc. After all that then she looked at my picture id and asked me if it is correct. Yes I told her, I just told you everything. It was pretty bad. I have had the same clerk every election and this was the first time for this. It was so peaceful before she asked which ballot I wanted Republican or Democrat.
FSogol
(45,476 posts)NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)This is such a nothing burger. This is the correct procedure in our state as well. No ID ... just spell out your unusual surname while the poll book judge types it in. Simple. Voter speaks a letter, book judge types a letter. Back and forth until there's a match ... verify address and month and day of birth and party affiliation. Done! Here's your ballot.
No ID means no ID.
bkkyosemite
(5,792 posts)I would have spelled it F U C K Y O U and then called the police. If you think the police can't do anything when your right to vote is being denied I would think twice. Think I would call the FBI to while spelling the above.
byronius
(7,394 posts)'Poll worker'. Ha.
KamaAina
(78,249 posts)Angry Dragon
(36,693 posts)flying-skeleton
(696 posts)I'd have blown up on him BIG TIME for infringing on my constitutional rights and demand his removal from the voting area !!
shenmue
(38,506 posts)HockeyMom
(14,337 posts)Brooklyn, New York isn't part of the USA? Tricky Ricky Scott back in 2012 was purging the voters list of "ineligible" voters, who were found later to be people with Hispanic sounding names.
Tab
(11,093 posts)Yes, it could haven't be managed differently, but I'm not as inclined to use it as explosive as other stuff we've seen.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Is there some new rule to verify the actual ID information with a question about it?
progressoid
(49,978 posts)That doesn't dismiss the fact that the poll worker is a colossal ASSHOLE.