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Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:53 PM

I think the single most important change we need in this country is the ability to impeach

members of Congress or Congress as a whole.
For individual congress critters, impeachment should occur if the majority of the voters in their state want them inpeached
For Congress as a whole, if the majority of national voters wants congress impeached.
It should be on the ballot in every election.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 08:57 PM

1. Sounds good to me. Why not impeachment options...

...for the judicial branch, as well? Equal treatment for all branches.

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Response to 3catwoman3 (Reply #1)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:14 AM

15. The federal bench

 

already has impeachment. It's the only way to get rid of a federal judge (that includes the supreme court).

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:04 PM

2. It will never pass Congress

 

and is unlikely to stand up to judicial scrutiny either

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #2)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:06 PM

3. I understand it will take a constitutional amendment..

but if ever there were a year when there were enough disgruntled voters to get such an amendment...this is the year

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #3)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:15 PM

4. Be careful what you wish for

 

To get what you want would require a Constitutional Convention by the states and since the Republicans control the majority of the states you won't like what else gets passed.

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Response to Lurks Often (Reply #4)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:34 PM

6. ^THIS IS WHAT THEY "DEVOUTLY" WISH^

The GOP is nothing but a fundamentalist religious cabal. There is nothing they would love more than a ConCon, a Constitutional Convention where they can remake this country into the warped religious domain that they wet dream about. All one has to do is listen to whom their candidates listen to, most especially Ted Cruz, or Sam Brownback, or any of the myriad of theocrats in the GOP.

Then, there's Hillary Clinton and her C Street buddies, quaintly called "The Family".

Religion and politics, religion and government, are a toxic mix. Always have been, always will be.

No ConCon for me. I prefer the slow, deliberative way.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:18 PM

5. House elections are every two years.

If voters don't want someone they can vote them out every two years. That is enough. Impeachment is not needed and would just be used to harass political opponents.

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Response to former9thward (Reply #5)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:53 PM

8. and the majority of people sit out midterm elections

and obviously from the tenor of the electorate, many/most voters feel that Congress is not responding to them versus well monied interests.

We have no carrot...we need a stick.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #8)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:32 PM

13. Agitate to get Civics classes back in high school. Get involved in GOTV.

GET INVOLVED IN LOCAL PARTY POLITICS -- that's a collective enterprise.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:51 PM

7. If Trump is impeached, the VP will become the President. nt

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 09:56 PM

9. There's already an "impeach the entire House" vote every two years (nt)

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Response to Recursion (Reply #9)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:27 PM

12. That's the short version of what I said down thread!

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 10:00 PM

10. After Roy Moore was removed from office, the wingnuts in Alabama reelected him

You can't fix stupid.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Tue Mar 22, 2016, 11:26 PM

11. You want a Constitutional change. In fact you want to overthrow the government. But here's reality..

The Constitution lays out how to get rid of office holders very very clearly: Every 2, 4, and 6 years we have this thing called e-lec-tions. If the majority of voters in a state or district want an officeholder gone, the officeholder is out on their butt.

The Constitution also lays out very clearly the type of e-lec-tions we have across the country. Except for the president, we don't all get to say who's going to be in charge someplace else. Do you really want little Vermont to lose its Senator Sanders just because he's not popular in, say, Mississippi?

In fact, the Flint water crisis was caused by just such a scheme to overthrow locally elected Mayors and City Councils in black communities all around the state, and replace them with unelected "City Managers" appointed by the far-RW Governor.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #11)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:05 AM

14. I never said I wanted Mississippi to vote out Vermont senator

however if the national approval rate of Congress is 14%...
the problem is not individual legislators, its the entire organization.
The organization has become unaccountable...the power of incumbency means that there is low probability that problems get fixed through the current election process.





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Response to Fresh_Start (Reply #14)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:50 PM

17. You will find unintended consequences. Beware.

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Response to Fresh_Start (Original post)

Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:15 AM

16. No thanks

 

Just vote them out of office in two years.

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