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FUCK. (Original Post) Skinner Jun 2012 OP
61% to 38% sufrommich Jun 2012 #1
That's not likely to be final. TheWraith Jun 2012 #8
58-40 now Generic Other Jun 2012 #36
56-43 Generic Other Jun 2012 #147
55-44 now Matariki Jun 2012 #159
Looks like the end result is going to be 53-46. TheWraith Jun 2012 #206
Theres something wrong here INdemo Jun 2012 #248
Average of polls was 6 points according to Nate Silver 2 days ago Capt. Obvious Jun 2012 #249
Rigged WV Democrat 59 Jun 2012 #265
Don't bet on it. SylviaD Jun 2012 #280
Sounds like they're getting more brazen and couldn't care less if it looks like they cheated. gtar100 Jun 2012 #204
Wisconsin has made its bed, and it will lie in it, corporate bedbugs and all. JDPriestly Jun 2012 #256
Really, Wisconsin? Arugula Latte Jun 2012 #2
NYT reported 'large majority' told exit pollsters recalls are only acceptable for malfeasance flpoljunkie Jun 2012 #234
that is the message the media was pounding up there. mopinko Jun 2012 #239
Yes, really. (Sigh.) This is who "we" are. MH1 Jun 2012 #254
That was my EXACT word... Versailles Jun 2012 #3
Yes elleng Jun 2012 #4
Those figures make no sense malaise Jun 2012 #5
Sounds like the fix is in. There is no way Milwaukee and Madison could have already been counted. sarcasmo Jun 2012 #62
Not to mention the reputed 50/50 exit polls. Rozlee Jun 2012 #101
Don't worry, the discrepancies will all be explained away to us. Matariki Jun 2012 #157
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #172
It's over. The Germans bombed Pearl Harbor. bullwinkle428 Jun 2012 #6
Careful. Some people will actually believe it was the Germans and not know JDPriestly Jun 2012 #257
what you said. Matariki Jun 2012 #7
FUCK, indeed! nt cry baby Jun 2012 #9
This is way too soon... Ranting_Wacko Jun 2012 #10
All the more reason to call it. Color me skeptical. n/t gkhouston Jun 2012 #21
Something is fishy mvd Jun 2012 #11
+1 Matariki Jun 2012 #24
+2 sarcasmo Jun 2012 #63
+1 HiPointDem Jun 2012 #77
Very interesting point...absolutely right. nt snappyturtle Jun 2012 #102
This +1 million a2liberal Jun 2012 #113
what you said! LibGranny Jun 2012 #132
The conservanazis have had practice at fixing the vote in Waukesha County. TxVietVet Jun 2012 #135
Exit polls are rarely that far off. Doesn't it feel like a taste of Russia.. mvd Jun 2012 #143
yes. exactly. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #150
Remember how far off they were in the Presidential 2004? whathehell Jun 2012 #223
I know. This is the New America. We're doomed. nt gateley Jun 2012 #175
WHAT?! Already?! SO DEPRESSING. Zax2me Jun 2012 #12
I feel sick jsmirman Jun 2012 #13
Make that Fucking Sick Left Coast2020 Jun 2012 #103
It's no longer a democracy - it's an auction. CrispyQ Jun 2012 #246
Yes indeed FUCK one_voice Jun 2012 #14
Since the Republicans always project... theaocp Jun 2012 #15
This is fucking hard to take GarroHorus Jun 2012 #16
where the hell is john king with all his district maps? nt Laura PourMeADrink Jun 2012 #17
Wisconsin dems, don't concede! Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #18
They're smaller and easier to count. AlbertCat Jun 2012 #139
Still think that the same day registrations should be examined. Baitball Blogger Jun 2012 #154
I contend it died in 1980. southerncrone Jun 2012 #217
I'd say 1980 was when the first pellet of rat poison was slipped into its breakfast nxylas Jun 2012 #225
Correct. I said the same thing to someone this morning in another TBF Jun 2012 #261
Yes. Graham-Rudman was the beginning of the underhanded stealing of our future. southerncrone Jun 2012 #278
I remember hearing "Graham-Rudman" but not what it meant - TBF Jun 2012 #279
. myrna minx Jun 2012 #19
Double Fuck! Little Star Jun 2012 #20
I am officially depressed. redwitch Jun 2012 #22
It's a hard loss. limpyhobbler Jun 2012 #23
It's not even close. Fuck fuck fuck fuck! jillan Jun 2012 #25
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #26
Anyone hear anything? DearAbby Jun 2012 #33
Stench of an ass sucking freeper HangOnKids Jun 2012 #45
You won't have money to buy him a beer. Fawke Em Jun 2012 #44
John Doe. Gregorian Jun 2012 #27
Stupid people vote for stupid politicians dark forest Jun 2012 #114
People who vote against their own interests and think they are going to be rich one day maryellen99 Jun 2012 #166
Exactly. Except --sorry. I don't believe it. I remember 2011 WI fiasco as detailed on Brad blog. cyberpj Jun 2012 #28
I agree. They went too far when they called it while people were still in line to vote. n/t EFerrari Jun 2012 #213
I think you should chill out for an hour or two undeterred Jun 2012 #29
Citizens United. spooky3 Jun 2012 #30
THE CITIZENS UNITED STATES OF AMERICA spanone Jun 2012 #31
Wrong... glogrrl Jun 2012 #222
THIS IS NOT OVER. Fire Walk With Me Jun 2012 #32
finally sweetapogee Jun 2012 #233
Maybe this will wake up some of the centrists. nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #240
When is the soonest they can hit Walker with another recall. mike3121 Jun 2012 #263
So does this mean the Koch brothers will be buying ALL of the states in Novenber? Walk away Jun 2012 #34
No, not all, only the ones they need to win the White House, Congress, and Senate nt bupkus Jun 2012 #48
Double fuck! Hope he is indited soon. Now we're going to have to look at that face in Auntie Bush Jun 2012 #35
David Shuster said on Current he's waiting for the Associated Press to call it before valerief Jun 2012 #37
My sentiments exactly WhoIsNumberNone Jun 2012 #38
The way things are going Orly Tatz will win in CA. This is crazy. jwirr Jun 2012 #39
I don't know why everyone is shocked. iandhr Jun 2012 #40
We all were watching Al Sharpton and Ed Shultz and they had us pumped to win. limpyhobbler Jun 2012 #66
i don't know why you're here. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #81
Because unlike everyone else I am in touch with reality. iandhr Jun 2012 #140
yeah, i bet. HiPointDem Jun 2012 #146
You bet what? They were right and you were wrong. Dawgs Jun 2012 #236
This message was self-deleted by its author AlbertCat Jun 2012 #155
Well, I guess 'Corporations are voters, my friend" FailureToCommunicate Jun 2012 #41
We need to do something about out of control corporate influence over govermnent. limpyhobbler Jun 2012 #75
I find it so hard to believe notadmblnd Jun 2012 #42
I know. I'm crushed. I feel SO BAD. gateley Jun 2012 #178
Yeah. No shit. calimary Jun 2012 #43
You forgot one bupkus Jun 2012 #52
Wasn't Robert Kennedy assasinated on June 5th? Mayflower1 Jun 2012 #55
No, it was June 6 DesertRat Jun 2012 #67
That's weird. My newspaper this morning said June 5. nt bupkus Jun 2012 #84
Shot on the fifth, died on the sixth. WillowTree Jun 2012 #90
Yep. June 6. But maybe this is why there's some confusion on the date bupkus Jun 2012 #97
It's a braced game TomClash Jun 2012 #46
I agree, but no one will listen lunasun Jun 2012 #89
Me too zeemike Jun 2012 #100
ut oh ManyShadesOf Jun 2012 #47
I still say this is too close to call Bjorn Against Jun 2012 #49
NOOO NOOO NOO NOOOOOOOOOOOO mzteris Jun 2012 #50
The outside money has demonized all unions. Grantuspeace Jun 2012 #51
Who could have forseen this? deaniac21 Jun 2012 #53
I don't understand this one bit. Why Wisconsin? Ninga Jun 2012 #54
Goddamnit...Didn't I just see exit polls @ 50/50? AzDar Jun 2012 #56
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #57
Wow, You're a moron. The Doctor. Jun 2012 #64
Are you not supposed to treat others as you would treat yourself. tabatha Jun 2012 #69
LOL laundry_queen Jun 2012 #74
It's not over yet. Less than 40% of precincts have been counted. Jamaal510 Jun 2012 #58
Citizens United. Period. NRaleighLiberal Jun 2012 #59
Couldn't have said it better!!! Rhiannon12866 Jun 2012 #60
ditto !! april Jun 2012 #61
Election fraud. Plain and simple. And it was legalized by SCOTUS. madinmaryland Jun 2012 #65
America voted for a strong liberal in 2008. UnrepentantLiberal Jun 2012 #68
Ugh...how does this happen? Marrah_G Jun 2012 #70
No going back, never despair, and don't forget Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #71
The fun will go on. Voice for Peace Jun 2012 #80
And no looking back zeemike Jun 2012 #112
This is unbelievable and more findrskeep Jun 2012 #72
How? Here's how: bupkus Jun 2012 #161
The money is just a cover for southerncrone Jun 2012 #218
The Supreme Court '5' are very happy tonight young_at_heart Jun 2012 #73
Simple, short, concise. William769 Jun 2012 #76
Jah, that sums it up. HereSince1628 Jun 2012 #78
yup Flatpicker Jun 2012 #79
What you said. Lone_Star_Dem Jun 2012 #82
In California in 2003 money made all the difference too bupkus Jun 2012 #83
I guess Wisconsin wants to be the right wing expement. What a fucking shame /nt still_one Jun 2012 #85
sadly K&R nt TBF Jun 2012 #86
Fucking kicked, and fukity fuck fuck fuck shcrane71 Jun 2012 #87
If it weren't NBC calling it nvme Jun 2012 #88
If it's on the up and up frogmarch Jun 2012 #91
Unbelievable...n/t greytdemocrat Jun 2012 #92
walker owns The Wizard Jun 2012 #93
I feel sick to my stomach....we are so snappyturtle Jun 2012 #94
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #95
Take your bible and shove it where the lord won't go. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #105
+1 nt TBF Jun 2012 #111
Was that really necessary? n/t SylviaD Jun 2012 #127
It sure as hell was. Did you not read that fundie troll's post?? kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #131
This message was self-deleted by its author HangOnKids Jun 2012 #191
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #129
FUCK YOU. GO AWAY. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #134
Did you notice that piece of crap got one jury vote to leave it? nm rhett o rick Jun 2012 #241
Yes, I did. Apparently trolls can get jury privileges. kestrel91316 Jun 2012 #259
Fucking BULLSHIT!! Fozzledick Jun 2012 #96
Fuck fuck... marlakay Jun 2012 #98
Joey Stalin and his acolyte Ahmed Ahmadinejad are in charge of counting, perhaps? nt MADem Jun 2012 #99
RIP Democracy harun Jun 2012 #104
No. Canuckistanian Jun 2012 #106
I think the way the demonstrations were portrayed, by the media, backpages Jun 2012 #141
The media is at it again Rosa Luxemburg Jun 2012 #151
Reports of union activists in Michigan dgl Jun 2012 #181
That makes no sense, mr. 1-post Canuckistanian Jun 2012 #184
Fight back against something that never happened? Bjorn Against Jun 2012 #186
I never said anything about out-of-state voters Canuckistanian Jun 2012 #247
I wasn't responding to you, I was responding to the person who claimed they were busing people in Bjorn Against Jun 2012 #267
The unions' fault? Canuckistanian Jun 2012 #182
how can this be? iemitsu Jun 2012 #107
Paper ballots should be used in ALL elections !!! n/t Tx4obama Jun 2012 #108
They did use paper ballots sunnystarr Jun 2012 #232
Pure poetry FBaggins Jun 2012 #109
Barrett campaign says it won't concede Wisconsin recall race to Walker yet, citing ongoing voting Tx4obama Jun 2012 #110
And the DLC idiots in control of the DNC just sat by twiddling thier thumbs. Odin2005 Jun 2012 #115
The results were less surprising... Amerigo Vespucci Jun 2012 #116
Midwestern moderate Dems are a sometimes contradictory breed... sweetloukillbot Jun 2012 #156
All The KOCH $$$$ Didn't Just Go Into Ads/Campaigning HangOnKids Jun 2012 #187
Fuck it. Kick. shcrane71 Jun 2012 #117
Fucking Bullshit Melissa G Jun 2012 #118
That's what money gets you lunatica Jun 2012 #119
The only thing that will make me feel better pink-o Jun 2012 #120
So heartbreaking. RiffRandell Jun 2012 #121
BULLSHIT!!!! citizen blues Jun 2012 #122
This site giving updates every minute. It ain't over yet. crunch60 Jun 2012 #123
Citizens United pinto Jun 2012 #124
Definitely not the end I wrote. caseymoz Jun 2012 #125
Nah, that ain't FUCK... yoyossarian Jun 2012 #126
What has happened? SylviaD Jun 2012 #128
I know. I keep wondering - WHY, Wisconsin? You LIKE this? You approve of walker? calimary Jun 2012 #188
Election was rigged. shcrane71 Jun 2012 #130
It's a sad day that's for sure. But this should make us all the more determined to totodeinhere Jun 2012 #133
I give up. They've broken me. PeaceNikki Jun 2012 #136
I'm sooo sorry---You've worked so hard!! This must be rigged!! hue Jun 2012 #148
Thank you for all you do. I respect and applaud all your efforts. think Jun 2012 #152
Here's a hug... pacalo Jun 2012 #160
WTF??? I'm checking out of reality.... hue Jun 2012 #137
Gap is closing Yo_Mama_Been_Loggin Jun 2012 #138
Uh, yeah - it's getting real close... stuart68 Jun 2012 #144
it was called too quickly I smell a rat proud patriot Jun 2012 #142
Options 12ZTR Jun 2012 #145
+1000000, and welcome aboard, wish it was a happier place for you DiverDave Jun 2012 #228
Exactly what I said when I heard williesgirl Jun 2012 #149
Fuck indeed, I'm going to vote Republican from now on... SparkyOR Jun 2012 #153
Nope Jigs Jun 2012 #167
this is indeed sad and depressing. Sometimes evil prevails especially when evil has a lot more money Douglas Carpenter Jun 2012 #158
Tonight in WI, 1 + 1 = 11 blkmusclmachine Jun 2012 #162
Koch Bros and Rove bought the election Mkap Jun 2012 #163
Youbetcha they did. And this was just a beta ProfessionalLeftist Jun 2012 #171
ditto Beringia Jun 2012 #164
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #165
I am embarrassed to be a Badger. WestWisconsinDem Jun 2012 #168
11.11pm: Milwaukee mayor and Democratic candidate Tom Barrett is now making his concession speech PufPuf23 Jun 2012 #169
Exactly. ProfessionalLeftist Jun 2012 #170
I know. Fuck. nt gateley Jun 2012 #173
Roger that. lonestarnot Jun 2012 #174
I would say that 30 years of union bashing Flatulo Jun 2012 #176
Now they will find out what it's like without them - TBF Jun 2012 #185
Doublefuck nt Zorra Jun 2012 #177
I almost threw up when I saw the headline. Initech Jun 2012 #179
That's all you have to say? Yea, I hear you. nt babylonsister Jun 2012 #180
FUCK indeed. blackspade Jun 2012 #183
State Precinct Graphic interactive by PBS happerbolic Jun 2012 #189
Dear Corporate "citizens" Plucketeer Jun 2012 #190
You win some and lose some taught_me_patience Jun 2012 #192
How would unions be dismantled state by state? ilikeitthatway Jun 2012 #195
we're scrooooowed. DreamsOfEquality Jun 2012 #193
I Just Don't Get It YOHABLO Jun 2012 #194
Yawn, oh good, tempers flare and turtlerescue1 Jun 2012 #196
goddammit Kali Jun 2012 #197
We don't get fooled again! No! Phlem Jun 2012 #198
Money trumps all else! ... That's the moral of this WI fable. Money trumps EVERYTHING! Bozita Jun 2012 #199
The wheel needs to turn just a little more. Loudly Jun 2012 #200
Exit polls have been off by increasing margins since 2000 or before, snot Jun 2012 #201
Exit polls were pretty good predictors in the days before election equipment gkhouston Jun 2012 #209
Exactly! snot Jun 2012 #250
I really thought we had a chance Smilo Jun 2012 #202
I couldn't have said it any better. United v. Citizens was the death knell of our democracy. :-( vietnam_war_vet Jun 2012 #203
Wake up and smell the Fascism. donheld Jun 2012 #205
Nooooooooooooooooo! Phlem Jun 2012 #211
I threw up in my mouth a little... but then said WTF alittlelark Jun 2012 #207
no real surprises but... PatrynXX Jun 2012 #208
gov snot locker will look good in orange... solarman350 Jun 2012 #210
You got the Democracy Aerows Jun 2012 #212
I . do. not. understand. what . happened. nt Vanje Jun 2012 #214
Its all in the game, unfortunately. carlos3k Jun 2012 #215
Spam deleted by cyberswede (MIR Team) marrylessey1694 Jun 2012 #216
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #219
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Good night, troll The Traveler Jun 2012 #221
Yep, pretty depressing lillypaddle Jun 2012 #224
Bummer abelenkpe Jun 2012 #226
What you said times a million. n/t DLevine Jun 2012 #227
I am not violent, but almost threw a beer a la izquierda Jun 2012 #229
Brevity is the soul of wit. JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #230
One word said it all! rrHeretic Jun 2012 #231
Really? There is no way anyone, especially a political junkie, should be surprised by the result. Dawgs Jun 2012 #235
19 1000 Words Jun 2012 #237
Thanks for Goddammit. May I request Asshat as your next word? shcrane71 Jun 2012 #252
it's the next morning, i'm feeling quite sad. barbtries Jun 2012 #238
Post removed Post removed Jun 2012 #242
It's both. CJCRANE Jun 2012 #243
In other words, kinggrain was just another mindless troll Lasher Jun 2012 #253
Ayup. nt daaron Jun 2012 #244
FUCKED! Hubert Flottz Jun 2012 #245
i could not watch MSNBC last night shireen Jun 2012 #251
Because Barrett was a terrible choice to represent Dems Mrs.Independent Jun 2012 #269
I couldn't have said it better. FiveGoodMen Jun 2012 #255
Fuck turned into Fuck Yeah. Go WI Senate :) PatrynXX Jun 2012 #258
Well-said!! meti57b Jun 2012 #260
Well said! I kind of feel a new kind of kinship to you Horse with no Name Jun 2012 #262
"Never strike a king unless you are sure you shall kill him." (Emerson) TahitiNut Jun 2012 #264
Where was the Pres? Clear Blue Sky Jun 2012 #266
Staying out of state government business, is where he was, and rightly so. Honeycombe8 Jun 2012 #268
This message was self-deleted by its author red dog 1 Jun 2012 #270
When the air seems to go out of Occupy efforts (that began in Wisconsin), it is a warning sign Leopolds Ghost Jun 2012 #271
K & R!! + John Nichols on Walker red dog 1 Jun 2012 #272
I agree completely.. Stuart G Jun 2012 #273
DISMAYED is what I am warrprayer Jun 2012 #274
Welcome to DU! That's an amusing catch-phrase! nt MADem Jun 2012 #276
Welcome to DU! Yes, keep on fighting. shcrane71 Jun 2012 #277
This has GOT to be the most highly recommended one-word post in DU history! 11 Bravo Jun 2012 #275
Kicked and fucking DU Recommended!! madinmaryland Sep 2012 #281

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
8. That's not likely to be final.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:53 PM
Jun 2012

If they're calling it this relatively early, it's likely because they've matched the results so far to the exit polling, so most likely the result will be pretty close to the exit poll. Maybe Walker by 4-7.

TheWraith

(24,331 posts)
206. Looks like the end result is going to be 53-46.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:59 AM
Jun 2012

So about 7 points, on the upper end of the 4-7 I'd guessed earlier.

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
248. Theres something wrong here
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 09:28 AM
Jun 2012

I mean the polls indicated a few points difference before election and I could see 1 or 2 % points but no...There was just too much grass roots effort going forward and with such a high voter turn out for this kind of outcome with such a high margin of vivtory...There is something wrong.. Money buys votes or money destroys votes and just maybe the Koch Bros were playing both ends of the field.
..When the corporate media talks about exit polling,I remember in 2000 and 2004(ohio) that Repukes were saying.."exit polling just doesn't mean much and not accurate"..And now the polls barely close and these right wing hacks report a victory from results of exit polling....Strange.....

WV Democrat 59

(6 posts)
265. Rigged
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 05:37 PM
Jun 2012

No way in hell should Walker have won!! There was a massive Democrat turn out to get a re-election vote on the ballot. There was a massive turn out yesterday at the polls. This outcome was rigged. I believe in the weeks to come there will be a criminal investigates into this matter.

gtar100

(4,192 posts)
204. Sounds like they're getting more brazen and couldn't care less if it looks like they cheated.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:52 AM
Jun 2012

All they have to do is deny it and the right-wing media will go along with it (it's not just Fox anymore). It may be time to work on those underground tunnels.

flpoljunkie

(26,184 posts)
234. NYT reported 'large majority' told exit pollsters recalls are only acceptable for malfeasance
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 08:02 AM
Jun 2012
(Sheesh! When voters feel this way about recalls, Barrett obviously had no chance.)

Six out of 10 voters, or 60 percent, told exit pollsters they think recalls are only acceptable if there’s been a case of malfeasance or improper behavior, CBS News exit polls found.

http://www.politico.com/news/stories/0612/77106.html

mopinko

(70,078 posts)
239. that is the message the media was pounding up there.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 08:29 AM
Jun 2012

as far as i can tell. those big bucks did their job, catapulting the propaganda.

MH1

(17,600 posts)
254. Yes, really. (Sigh.) This is who "we" are.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:26 PM
Jun 2012

"We" being the society as a whole. Of course not every individual. But the individuals who aren't, were greatly drowned out by those who are exactly that.

What Skinner said. Double.

sarcasmo

(23,968 posts)
62. Sounds like the fix is in. There is no way Milwaukee and Madison could have already been counted.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:16 PM
Jun 2012

Rozlee

(2,529 posts)
101. Not to mention the reputed 50/50 exit polls.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:32 PM
Jun 2012

And the polling done before the race. Something doesn't add up and it stinks to high heaven.

Response to malaise (Reply #5)

JDPriestly

(57,936 posts)
257. Careful. Some people will actually believe it was the Germans and not know
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 01:20 PM
Jun 2012

it was the Japanese that bombed Pearl Harbor. I know you are joking but some of the ignorant trolls and lurkers who haunt this site might take you at your word.

Hope I'm not offending you, bullwinkle428, but there are a lot of ignorant Republicans out there.

Ranting_Wacko

(220 posts)
10. This is way too soon...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:53 PM
Jun 2012

The polls haven't been closed an hour. There are still people waiting in line to vote in some parts of the urban centers!

TxVietVet

(1,905 posts)
135. The conservanazis have had practice at fixing the vote in Waukesha County.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:02 PM
Jun 2012

I'm sure they did it elsewhere. The conservanazi repugs are evil, conniving folks.

mvd

(65,173 posts)
143. Exit polls are rarely that far off. Doesn't it feel like a taste of Russia..
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:06 PM
Jun 2012

came here? What happened to all those big crowds in Milwaukee/Dane?

whathehell

(29,067 posts)
223. Remember how far off they were in the Presidential 2004?
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:27 AM
Jun 2012

They were at such an unexplained disparity that I thought

they actually "gave up" exit polling.

jsmirman

(4,507 posts)
13. I feel sick
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:53 PM
Jun 2012

I mean, our democracy has been fucked forever, but man, our democracy is seriously under attack.

CrispyQ

(36,457 posts)
246. It's no longer a democracy - it's an auction.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 09:06 AM
Jun 2012

I have that bumper sticker somewhere & I think today is a good day to pull it out & stick it in the back window of my truck.

Another DUer asked this morning: Who did Barrett concede to? Walker or the Koch brothers?

Fuck the Roberts Supreme Court & Citizens United. I cried harder last night than I did in 2004. I"m still on the verge of tears today. I feel sick & can't eat a damned thing. I'm pissed & disgusted at the same time.

FUCK.

theaocp

(4,236 posts)
15. Since the Republicans always project...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:53 PM
Jun 2012

I'd say they're up to their eyeballs in their own voter fraud. Just a thought. G'night.

 

GarroHorus

(1,055 posts)
16. This is fucking hard to take
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:54 PM
Jun 2012

No need to be spending any time in Wisconsin any time soon, that's for sure. On my list of "No Travels" for now.

Baitball Blogger

(46,700 posts)
18. Wisconsin dems, don't concede!
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:55 PM
Jun 2012

In Florida the red counties are the first to be counted. They're smaller and easier to count. The urban blue areas take longer.

 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
139. They're smaller and easier to count.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:04 PM
Jun 2012

But seriously, it shouldn't be this close to begin with.


America is finished. It died in 2000. You all know why...

Cheating and stupid people more concerned about "America's got Talent".


Thanks WI for reminding us that money talks.... and so does bull shit.

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
217. I contend it died in 1980.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:41 AM
Jun 2012

The noose just gets tighter every time they regain power. I can hardly breathe.

Should we all request paper ballots in Nov., or vote early?
Or will we just be wasting our time.

nxylas

(6,440 posts)
225. I'd say 1980 was when the first pellet of rat poison was slipped into its breakfast
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 05:45 AM
Jun 2012

It's been getting progressively worse eince then, and today was the last gasp.

TBF

(32,047 posts)
261. Correct. I said the same thing to someone this morning in another
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 01:33 PM
Jun 2012

thread and they called me "defeatist". That's not my intention at all, but I'm also not 21 and I'm not going to pretend I haven't watched what's happened since Reagan took office. He is the one who started cutting the capital gains taxes (which help the very wealthiest investors the most) and you can see the results in the past 30 years with the gap between rich and poor growing exponentially. Now the middle is being squarely attacked, and many don't realize it.

To fight back rather than be completely defeated I think we have to acknowledge what has happened in this country. We've allowed the very wealthiest to steal our 401Ks, break our unions, and off-shore our jobs. How much more are we going to take?

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
278. Yes. Graham-Rudman was the beginning of the underhanded stealing of our future.
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 12:56 AM
Jun 2012

Unfortunately, those of us who are over 50 (or maybe 55) are the only ones who remember this.....and only those of us who were paying attention!

I remember in the '80's, Wal-mart had a big "Buy USA" campaign, which in reality was a cover while they undermined our towns by closing down the independent stores in small town America & conspiring w/China to produce cheap crap & ship our industry overseas. Nafta & Gatt just paved the road for a smoother ride for them to take over our retail sector.

So much has been orchestrated over the last 3 decades. We have got to stop "funding" these corporations/ 1% by withholding our $ whenever we can. Difficult, but not impossible. Money is the only language this crowd understands. Take away that power & your cut off the head of the serpent.

TBF

(32,047 posts)
279. I remember hearing "Graham-Rudman" but not what it meant -
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 07:47 AM
Jun 2012

I bet my mom talked about it. She was small town but very much a flower-child type from the 60s and very interested in politics. She explained the Walmart thing to me as it was happening. She and my dad (who worked in a small foundry and belonged to a union) weren't fooled.

I have become very anti-capitalism as a result of watching the events unfold during my lifetime. I agree with your assessment of starving large corporations and would add that we need to significantly revise our tax code and political funding.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
23. It's a hard loss.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:56 PM
Jun 2012

win some / lose some.

Thanks to Wisconsin Dems for all your hard work and for voting today.





Response to Skinner (Original post)

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
27. John Doe.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:59 PM
Jun 2012

It's still hanging over his head.

Until we stop spending money on the war machine, and start putting energy into educating the people of this country, this is what we're going to see, more and more, I predict.

Stupid people vote for stupid politicians.

maryellen99

(3,788 posts)
166. People who vote against their own interests and think they are going to be rich one day
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:20 PM
Jun 2012

The wannabe 1%ers.

 

cyberpj

(10,794 posts)
28. Exactly. Except --sorry. I don't believe it. I remember 2011 WI fiasco as detailed on Brad blog.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 09:59 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=8511

snip-
"When the ballot bags were taken out and placed upon the counting table, we were literally stunned," one of the citizen observers, Mary Magnuson, a Kloppenburg volunteer, told The BRAD BLOG this morning. "5 out of the 6 ballot bags were almost literally wide open, and ballots could be clearly seen."

AND - It happened too fast. As if a point was being made to anyone else who dared think they could challenge Repbulicans and The Koch Brothers.


"Money Changes Everything..."


mike3121

(74 posts)
263. When is the soonest they can hit Walker with another recall.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:51 PM
Jun 2012

Keep hitting the Wisconsin Repug's with Recalls.

Walk away

(9,494 posts)
34. So does this mean the Koch brothers will be buying ALL of the states in Novenber?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:03 PM
Jun 2012

I wish I could believe they could be stopped.

Auntie Bush

(17,528 posts)
35. Double fuck! Hope he is indited soon. Now we're going to have to look at that face in
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:03 PM
Jun 2012

the news for months. He make me sick. :puke"

valerief

(53,235 posts)
37. David Shuster said on Current he's waiting for the Associated Press to call it before
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:06 PM
Jun 2012

believing the networks.

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
66. We all were watching Al Sharpton and Ed Shultz and they had us pumped to win.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:18 PM
Jun 2012

So then we crashed?

Maybe? Just a theory.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
236. You bet what? They were right and you were wrong.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 08:04 AM
Jun 2012

You might want to rethink your response next time.

Response to iandhr (Reply #140)

limpyhobbler

(8,244 posts)
75. We need to do something about out of control corporate influence over govermnent.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:21 PM
Jun 2012

Or we not going to recognize our own country.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
43. Yeah. No shit.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:07 PM
Jun 2012


What were they saying? June 5th 2004, ronald reagan died.

Well, looks like on June 5th 2012, democracy died. Buried under a shitload of money in Wisconsin.
 

bupkus

(1,981 posts)
97. Yep. June 6. But maybe this is why there's some confusion on the date
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:31 PM
Jun 2012
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Assassination_of_Robert_F._Kennedy

The assassination of Robert F. Kennedy, a United States Senator and brother of assassinated President John F. Kennedy, took place shortly after midnight on June 5, 1968, in Los Angeles, California.

lunasun

(21,646 posts)
89. I agree, but no one will listen
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:27 PM
Jun 2012

people give me the evil eye look when I talk about it
like not mentioning it will make it go away
I hope they prove me wrong

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
100. Me too
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:31 PM
Jun 2012

And I was sure of it when I saw the polls a week before the election...they made it close to legitimize it all.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
49. I still say this is too close to call
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:10 PM
Jun 2012

Once Madison and Milwaukee's votes are in I will concede if it is still showing Walker with a big lead, but I am not giving up until the strong Barrett areas have been counted.

Grantuspeace

(873 posts)
51. The outside money has demonized all unions.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:11 PM
Jun 2012

We needed more national help. They left us to fight all of corporate America alone. We brought a knife to a gun fight. The NRA spent bundles. Barrett never had a chance. Yes, fuck!!!!

Response to Skinner (Original post)

 

The Doctor.

(17,266 posts)
64. Wow, You're a moron.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:17 PM
Jun 2012

Your solution to people having financially secure jobs in this economy is to screw them.

This will harm the economy, but you're not educated enough to understand how or why.

tabatha

(18,795 posts)
69. Are you not supposed to treat others as you would treat yourself.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:19 PM
Jun 2012

Btw, Walker is going to jail. Just watch.

laundry_queen

(8,646 posts)
74. LOL
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:21 PM
Jun 2012

You're so stupid you don't even realize you signed your death warrant. I'll gladly tell you I told you so when you're eating shit to survive and Walker is a billionaire. You are seriously TSTL.

Jamaal510

(10,893 posts)
58. It's not over yet. Less than 40% of precincts have been counted.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:13 PM
Jun 2012

But this is an ominous sign of how much a financial disadvantage can hurt a candidate in a heated election. This election has put more emphasis on how vital it is to keep Republicans from regaining the WH this fall so the Democrats can appoint more liberal SC justices. That way, we can have Citizens United overturned once and for all.

 

UnrepentantLiberal

(11,700 posts)
68. America voted for a strong liberal in 2008.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:19 PM
Jun 2012

What they got was a moderate. People vote for a LEADER. It's Machiavelli 101. (And for whatever reason he refuses to see this. [Or doesn't care to because he agrees with conservatives on so many issues.])

This was predictable.

Edit: This is what really pissed me off the last few years. I finally had to let it go. And it KILLS ME because I had such high hopes for this man.

Oh well... On we go to November...

zeemike

(18,998 posts)
112. And no looking back
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:39 PM
Jun 2012

cause if you look back at how easy it was for them to steal other elections you might despair...better to pin your hopes on the new solution....the law....which will perter out slowly and will be less stresfull.

findrskeep

(713 posts)
72. This is unbelievable and more
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:20 PM
Jun 2012

than a little fishy. How could he be winning by a margin that wide after the massive protests for months, the recall, the huge voter turn out today AND this early?? The only good I see coming out of this is that hopefully NO ONE will just assume that Obama has the 2012 election won hands down and more funds will be raised and contributed and everyone will know for sure that they MUST vote.

 

bupkus

(1,981 posts)
161. How? Here's how:
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:16 PM
Jun 2012
Mr. Walker, who raised millions of dollars from conservative donors outside the state, had a strong financial advantage, in part because a quirk in Wisconsin law allowed him months of unlimited fund-raising, from the time the recall challenge was mounted to when the election was officially called. As of late last month, about $45.6 million had been spent on behalf of Mr. Walker, compared with about $17.9 million for Mr. Barrett, according to data from the Wisconsin Democracy Campaign, a nonpartisan group that tracks spending.


http://www.nytimes.com/2012/06/06/us/politics/walker-survives-wisconsin-recall-effort.html?pagewanted=1&_r=1

southerncrone

(5,506 posts)
218. The money is just a cover for
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:52 AM
Jun 2012

the real crime. Just MHO.
We need to look at percentages. The new R math.

young_at_heart

(3,767 posts)
73. The Supreme Court '5' are very happy tonight
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:21 PM
Jun 2012

Their objective of creating a one-party country has been achieved!

Flatpicker

(894 posts)
79. yup
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:21 PM
Jun 2012

I don't think anything we can do will change what is going to happen to this country come November.
It's bought and paid for...

 

bupkus

(1,981 posts)
83. In California in 2003 money made all the difference too
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:23 PM
Jun 2012

Gray Davis was ousted by Republican money in a recall led by Darrell Issa and Ted Costa with plenty of money from millionaires interested in wresting state government control from Democrats. Tonight it's different. Republicans in control destroying the middle class, education, workers' rights, lives, families, but the money is still on the Republican side.

I hope for once money loses but it isn't looking good right now.

I can't believe this asshole Walker is going to win by the numbers they're talking about right now. What the fuck is wrong with this country? Do voters actually think Walker and the Koch brothers have their best interests at heart? Don't they remember what the Bush years brought us? Why do voters vote against their own interests time and time again? Is it just hatred of "liberals"? Are Americans that brainwashed that they'd vote for people who wreck the entire world because they're good at using wedge issues and lies?

This is all just too depressing to contemplate.

snappyturtle

(14,656 posts)
94. I feel sick to my stomach....we are so
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:29 PM
Jun 2012

fucked. (That's my first time to ever use the word online.)
I don't use it lightly.And you know what? To me, 'hope' is
becoming another four letter word.

I don't believe the numbers at all and I am also surprised
by the jovial attitude of MSNBC this evening. I know Rachel
and Lawrence and Ed want to project themselves as good
losers but where's the angst we've been hearing from them
about this particular race for ? months? That's what bothers me.

We'll never be able to fight the corporations paying for the
election 2012. This is no longer a democratic republic.

Response to Skinner (Original post)

Response to SylviaD (Reply #127)

Response to kestrel91316 (Reply #105)

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
106. No.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:36 PM
Jun 2012

I refuse to believe this.

Either:
A.) There's been some massive fraud on a scale we can't imagine yet...

Or (and this I fear more)

B.) Whoever has the most MONEY can buy election results

Because I refuse to believe that Wisconsin voters, when given ALL the information possible, could do this.

No.

backpages

(5 posts)
141. I think the way the demonstrations were portrayed, by the media,
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:05 PM
Jun 2012

turned a lot of people off to the recall effort. If the unions had just laid low and worked the recall as a regular election, they might have succeeded.

 

dgl

(1 post)
181. Reports of union activists in Michigan
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:38 PM
Jun 2012

bringing in busloads of voters spurred the GOP voters to fight back.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
184. That makes no sense, mr. 1-post
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:42 PM
Jun 2012

At the LAST MINUTE, they organized a GOP GOTV effort because they saw some buses?

Please.

Bjorn Against

(12,041 posts)
186. Fight back against something that never happened?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:47 PM
Jun 2012

Can you point me to a single piece of solid evidence that even one out of state person voted tonight? And no a report from Rush Limbaugh is not evidence of anything.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
247. I never said anything about out-of-state voters
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 09:08 AM
Jun 2012

And it was the poster I responded to that was trying to make a point that the sight of buses made pro-Walker people angry enough to vote.

Canuckistanian

(42,290 posts)
182. The unions' fault?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:40 PM
Jun 2012

Um, wasn't Walker's attack on the unions what started all this? In a state that pioneered union rights?

Why should the unions "lay low" after being devastated?

I thought Americans admired the underdog FIGHTING BACK.

No. Something else is going on here.

sunnystarr

(2,638 posts)
232. They did use paper ballots
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 07:53 AM
Jun 2012

But they're run through a tabulator. It's a simple matter then of flipping the results of the two candidates. This has been done before. I'm not saying it's what happened yesterday since it's also possible that the majority of voters don't know the issues and were bought by the continuous ads running all year. Citizens United or election fraud? That is the question.

FBaggins

(26,727 posts)
109. Pure poetry
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:38 PM
Jun 2012

You have a knack for efficiency of language Skinner.

Sucks that it can't be put to better use this evening.

Tx4obama

(36,974 posts)
110. Barrett campaign says it won't concede Wisconsin recall race to Walker yet, citing ongoing voting
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:39 PM
Jun 2012


Barrett campaign says it won't concede Wisconsin recall race to Walker yet, citing ongoing voting

Tom Barrett campaign says it won't concede Wisconsin recall race to Scott Walker yet, citing ongoing voting - @AP http://apne.ws/KDzBCW

http://twitter.com/breakingpol/status/210197782726848515



Amerigo Vespucci

(30,885 posts)
116. The results were less surprising...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:43 PM
Jun 2012

...after watching a few of the "polling place interviews" on cable news today.

There were a few "Wisconsinites" who expressed pretty sharp anti-union sentiments, who were saying that Walker did "what he had to, for the state."

It just drives home the "red state / blue state" frames of mind. You would have thought that the "divide and conquer" video would have been the smoking gun, the thing that tipped the scales in favor of Walker's ass being thrown out of office.

I live in California, grew up in Massachusetts, and other than that, have spent no time in between other than moving here in a cross-country drive as a teen. I can't even pretend to understand Wisconsin, and the sad part is that there are some voters in Wisconsin tonight who can't either.

sweetloukillbot

(11,008 posts)
156. Midwestern moderate Dems are a sometimes contradictory breed...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:11 PM
Jun 2012

My in-laws in Iowa hate illegals for taking their jobs and they think gays are an abomination before God - and they are staunch Democrats who voted for Obama and will again in November. I've run into others who hate the unions for their outrageous salaries and Cadillac insurance plans and also vote straight Democratic. And they're all members of the NRA who hate gun control laws.

pink-o

(4,056 posts)
120. The only thing that will make me feel better
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:46 PM
Jun 2012

Is an indictment. But in a perfect world, Bush, Cheney, rummy and Rove would be imprisoned for life in Leavenworth, so I'm not holding my breath.

So sorry, Wisconsin! As one who survived a recall where the other side used dirty tricks and out of state corporate money only to foist an unfit moron on us, I totally sympathize

RiffRandell

(5,909 posts)
121. So heartbreaking.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:46 PM
Jun 2012

I am so sorry to all of the members of DU and Wisconsin residents who put in so much time and effort to get that fucker recalled. Also, to everyone who has and will suffer from his horrific agenda.

citizen blues

(570 posts)
122. BULLSHIT!!!!
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:50 PM
Jun 2012

I'm calling bullshit on the results. For there to be a clean Republican sweep with the type of turn out Wisconsin has had. There's no way. All that money and robo-calling and all the other dirty tricks, I think we know who the FRAUDSTERS are.

Wonder just how big the fucking red shift is gonna be?

Good for Barrett for not conceding!!!!!

caseymoz

(5,763 posts)
125. Definitely not the end I wrote.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:51 PM
Jun 2012

I say it's not the end. Does Wisconsin let us bring him up for another recall? Spend more of the Kochs' money? Bring it into the Wisconsin economy?

yoyossarian

(1,054 posts)
126. Nah, that ain't FUCK...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:54 PM
Jun 2012

That's BULLSHIT.
I wonder if they're using those "smart" voting machines from Diebold. They're so smart, if you vote for the wrong candidate, they just switch it over for ya!
Bullshit bullshit BULLSHIT!
GodDAMN!!!!!!

SylviaD

(721 posts)
128. What has happened?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:55 PM
Jun 2012

I can't really process this right now. I'm closing my computer and going to bed early. Something is wrong with the world, this is like a bad movie.

calimary

(81,220 posts)
188. I know. I keep wondering - WHY, Wisconsin? You LIKE this? You approve of walker?
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:48 PM
Jun 2012

Seriously? You support what he's done? You're okay with this ruthless agenda of his? Really?????

I can't believe this shit is okay with so many of you.

I actually turned the TV off. Couldn't watch or listen, or even have it on in the background while I'm doing something else. Hopefully we can put on a marathon of "Star Trek" DVDs tonight...

shcrane71

(1,721 posts)
130. Election was rigged.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 10:59 PM
Jun 2012

This is bullshit. 50/50 going into it, yet Walker wins by landslide with unprecedented voter turn-out? Voter turn-out ALWAYS helps Dems. It's bullshit.

totodeinhere

(13,058 posts)
133. It's a sad day that's for sure. But this should make us all the more determined to
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:01 PM
Jun 2012

work our butts off to make sure that something like this doesn't happen in November as well. I'm sick and tired of losing elections like this. 2010 was bad enough and now this. Excuse me while I go and throw up.

hue

(4,949 posts)
148. I'm sooo sorry---You've worked so hard!! This must be rigged!!
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:07 PM
Jun 2012

I don't know what to say to console You!! Walker will be in prison some day Nikki!!!

 

think

(11,641 posts)
152. Thank you for all you do. I respect and applaud all your efforts.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:09 PM
Jun 2012

We don''t always agree but my respect is huge.

pacalo

(24,721 posts)
160. Here's a hug...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:13 PM
Jun 2012




I'm drinking wine tonight. This is very disappointing. I'm still very proud of Wisconsinites!
 

12ZTR

(92 posts)
145. Options
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:06 PM
Jun 2012

It doesn't matter if Barrett wins, the Dems, liberals & progressives have absolute power.
Make a list of Rep businesses & Rep donors. Do not spend any money in any of these establishments. Spend your money in DEM,LIB & PROG businesses. Get into their wallets & purses & the REPs will start to pay attention.Show the KOCHS the power of money.This needs to be done whether BARRETT wins or loses.

As for family members who vote REP, turn George Bush on their asses.

"Your either with us or against us."

I,ve been doing this for quit a while

If one is not willing to do something this simple, then they might think about sitting down & shutting up.

SparkyOR

(81 posts)
153. Fuck indeed, I'm going to vote Republican from now on...
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:10 PM
Jun 2012

Let's all just throw everything into one end of the pool and crash the system sooner rather than later. Maybe then all the dumbsh**s getting their social programs ended, their infrastructure ignored, their kids uneducated, maybe then... they'll finally realize that the 1% didn't care about them, they just wanted to suck em in with flag waving and deficit reduction bullshit. I'm angry

ProfessionalLeftist

(4,982 posts)
171. Youbetcha they did. And this was just a beta
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:25 PM
Jun 2012

for what they plan to do nationally from now on. 2000 was the alpha version. No one stopped them then, so they went to the next level. That's what we've seen since and tonight in Wisconsin.

This, and Michigan with their "financial managers". It's all beta testing. If they get away with it and thus far they have, it's coming to the whole country. Count on it.

Response to Skinner (Original post)

 

WestWisconsinDem

(127 posts)
168. I am embarrassed to be a Badger.
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:21 PM
Jun 2012

For the first time in my 48 years, 47 of which have been spent in this formerly great state, I am truly ashamed of this place I'm from.

PufPuf23

(8,767 posts)
169. 11.11pm: Milwaukee mayor and Democratic candidate Tom Barrett is now making his concession speech
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:22 PM
Jun 2012

11.11pm: Milwaukee mayor and Democratic candidate Tom Barrett is now making his concession speech: "I just got off the phone with Governor Walker and congratulated him on his victory," he says, to scattered boos from the crowd.

http://www.guardian.co.uk/world/2012/jun/06/wisconsin-recall-election-results-live

Fucking unbelievable and unacceptable.

 

Flatulo

(5,005 posts)
176. I would say that 30 years of union bashing
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:30 PM
Jun 2012

has had the desired effect.

Most people just believe that unions are bad.

 

happerbolic

(140 posts)
189. State Precinct Graphic interactive by PBS
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:49 PM
Jun 2012
http://www.pbs.org/newshour/vote2012/map/other_votes.html

damn, and just called my mah today to hear 'but the national news had said he did such a wonderful job balancing the state's budget'...

http://www.politifact.com/wisconsin/statements/2012/may/31/tom-barrett/barrett-says-walker-used-credit-card-approach-bala/

really odd and disappointing to see on the fence or disconcerned individuals glaze over when you tell them anything contradictory to what they hear on their vaunted news networks. I try to explain over and over again that now days, like a malignancy one may have, seek out other advice and weigh out.
 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
190. Dear Corporate "citizens"
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:49 PM
Jun 2012

There's other continents that would welcome your dynasty with glee - GO there.

 

taught_me_patience

(5,477 posts)
192. You win some and lose some
Tue Jun 5, 2012, 11:56 PM
Jun 2012

but losing this big really hurts. Unions for state employees will be dismantled state by state now.

ilikeitthatway

(143 posts)
195. How would unions be dismantled state by state?
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:19 AM
Jun 2012

All over this recall? Are you alluding to the fact that Big Business can buy seats for Repugs and thus get them to union bust?

 

YOHABLO

(7,358 posts)
194. I Just Don't Get It
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:15 AM
Jun 2012

Wisconsin use to be such a liberal state .. what happened? It's all very depressing that we can't over-throw these Republican Governors .. Perhaps if he is indicted on corruption charges .. Dems have their work cut out for them. But it is disturbing that so many people in that State and others vote against their own best interests .. are they that stupid? I guess so. I think I'm moving to another country.

turtlerescue1

(1,013 posts)
196. Yawn, oh good, tempers flare and
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:24 AM
Jun 2012

disappointment reigns.

You would have loved those sixties! Don't look at the losses. Look at what is needed to win the next battle.

Don't give up on poetic justice either. When Reagan was King in the land of Calafia, he closed the State Mental Hospitals, two years later I started working in locked psych. Learned the FIRST persons kicked out on the street were what we then called the Mentally Retarded/IQ functioning level. I couldn't believe it. "The least among us"!
I still am amazed to this day Ronny was diagnosed with Alzheimer's.

Seven times the $upport-ya think someone wants $omething in in return?

I've got to go, have to tear my sackcloth in grief. And wouldn't it figure, its in pretty good shape?



Bozita

(26,955 posts)
199. Money trumps all else! ... That's the moral of this WI fable. Money trumps EVERYTHING!
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:35 AM
Jun 2012

Thanks, SCOTUS.

 

Loudly

(2,436 posts)
200. The wheel needs to turn just a little more.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:43 AM
Jun 2012

And some reaping from what's been sown needs to happen.

snot

(10,520 posts)
201. Exit polls have been off by increasing margins since 2000 or before,
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:43 AM
Jun 2012

despite efforts to "correct" them.

I hope folks in the Elections Group look into this (http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1091).

gkhouston

(21,642 posts)
209. Exit polls were pretty good predictors in the days before election equipment
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 01:12 AM
Jun 2012

was easily accessible via the internet...

Smilo

(1,944 posts)
202. I really thought we had a chance
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 12:50 AM
Jun 2012

but I guess this really does show America has been bought and the morons that just sit and watch tv and never bother to get off their arses and find out the truth don't realize what they have just done.

Money + fear + lies = GOPT campaigning and it's only going to get worse. So much for caring for each other and ensuring that we remain a democracy - what has happened to America?

alittlelark

(18,890 posts)
207. I threw up in my mouth a little... but then said WTF
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 01:06 AM
Jun 2012

Seriously. I have possibly not taken the right pill.

Cuz this CitizensUnitedStates preached it.............................


Throw me in the dungeon and throw away the key.....

\Calling
BULLLSHIT.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
208. no real surprises but...
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 01:07 AM
Jun 2012

the senate thing is having me like unable to sleep , get with it Racine....

NBC did slip up by declaring they are owned by the Koch Brothers but other than that. I would have been surprised if he lost. He knows how to cheat, he had the money now we have a talking point. WI took one to the gut, so now we can say how the Koch Brothers can buy an election. Which is why I really didn't want Obama in the state. Didn't want Clinton in either but couldn't be helped.

Response to Skinner (Original post)

Response to Skinner (Original post)

Response to Skinner (Original post)

 

The Traveler

(5,632 posts)
221. Good night, troll
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:43 AM
Jun 2012

The backlash cometh. Conservatives really need to review "A Tale of Two Cities". You are working hard to re-create the conditions that make that kind of horror likely again. Fools.

 

Dawgs

(14,755 posts)
235. Really? There is no way anyone, especially a political junkie, should be surprised by the result.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 08:02 AM
Jun 2012

I'm shocked that anyone on our side thought Walker was going to lose.

barbtries

(28,787 posts)
238. it's the next morning, i'm feeling quite sad.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 08:15 AM
Jun 2012

do you think that justice just runs out til there isn't anymore?

Response to Skinner (Original post)

CJCRANE

(18,184 posts)
243. It's both.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 08:59 AM
Jun 2012

"It's not a democracy" is a RW saying which explains why they're comfortable with vote rigging.

BTW "republic" just means a country that's not ruled by a monarch. China is a republic, for example.

Lasher

(27,573 posts)
253. In other words, kinggrain was just another mindless troll
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 11:28 AM
Jun 2012

reciting what he's been told to memorize.

Hubert Flottz

(37,726 posts)
245. FUCKED!
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 09:01 AM
Jun 2012

The cheese is not the only stinking thing in Wisconsin.

And FUCK is an understatement. I'll bet the filthy five on the SCOTUS are happy with their work. They have brought down democracy in the USA. By the corporation and for the corporation.

shireen

(8,333 posts)
251. i could not watch MSNBC last night
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:36 AM
Jun 2012

I got home from volunteering at an an exhilarating public event on the Venus solar transit to this news. I could not bear to watch the news last night. Now it's morning, and i want to know wtf happened. Not rantings from upset people, but actual analysis. I'm sure some people will post about it today. We need to know what voters were thinking. Calling them idiots is not helpful. They had a reason for their votes and if we want to make further progress, not only in WI but across the country, we need to understand what they were thinking.


 

Mrs.Independent

(3 posts)
269. Because Barrett was a terrible choice to represent Dems
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 08:47 PM
Jun 2012

He came across as a guy without a plan and a whiner. If he just once, especially during the debates, would have spoken about what he would have done differently in specifics, maybe more Independent voters like me would have voted for him. Walker has a plan Barrett doesn't and he's not doing anything for the city of Milwaukee but running it into the ground. Doyle needs to take part of that blame too.

Horse with no Name

(33,956 posts)
262. Well said! I kind of feel a new kind of kinship to you
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:23 PM
Jun 2012

I thought I was one of the few that tends to use extraordinarily foul language to make my point.

Clear Blue Sky

(2,156 posts)
266. Where was the Pres?
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 05:57 PM
Jun 2012

I would have like to see the Pres up in Wisconsin pushing this election. Our union brothers and sisters spent a lot of blood, sweat, tears and $$ trying to defeat Walker. Where was the President?

Sorry but a Tweet a day before the election is a weak effort...

Honeycombe8

(37,648 posts)
268. Staying out of state government business, is where he was, and rightly so.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 08:38 PM
Jun 2012

It is not the business of a sitting President, who serves the NATION and is part of the federal govt., to interfere with STATE government or elections. It is not his business, is inappropriate, is unethical, and is just an all around bad idea. It is NONE of a President's busness what a state does within its own government, which is what a recall is.

That's why Bush didn't interfere with the California David recall.

Obama did all he could do, which was to endorse the Democrat. Then he went about the business he was elected to do: run the nation.

Response to Clear Blue Sky (Reply #266)

Leopolds Ghost

(12,875 posts)
271. When the air seems to go out of Occupy efforts (that began in Wisconsin), it is a warning sign
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 10:11 PM
Jun 2012

You could see coming.

It is a symptom of a larger problem.

(Not to suggest the Occupy movement is dying, I certainly hope not. I want to remain involved. But it is part of the same momentum that motivated the recall, so lack of momentum for one = lack of momentum for the other -- in the popular consciousness.)

I'd love to see a reversal of the trend, but it is a disturbing trend.

Statistics matter, and in this age of mass media, people operate increasingly as a homogeneous, sheep-like herd. You can tell which way the wind is blowing long before the storm hits.

red dog 1

(27,792 posts)
272. K & R!! + John Nichols on Walker
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 11:01 PM
Jun 2012

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From: Democracy Now.org
June 6, 2012

Amy Goodman:
"John Nichols, what about the Democratic National Committee, President Obama not going to Wisconsin, the DNC not putting in the kind of money that people were calling for, although Walker had tens of millions of dollars poured into his campaign from outside the state?"

John Nichols:
"Absolutely. It was a stark contrast. What you see is a Republican Party that is activist and engaged, not just at the national level, but down into the state and local levels. The Republican National Committee chairman, Reince Priebus, who is a Wisconsinite and who's actually a member of the law firm that is representing Governor Walker in many of his current legal troubles, said from the start of the race that the Republicans were, "all in" this contest, meaning that they would be there for whatever was necessary. The Republican Governors Association began attacking Democrat Tom Barrett before he had announced his candidacy. So it was just an overwhelming level of Republican engagement.

In contrast to that, the Democratic National Committee really was in a bit of a wrangle with state Democrats about whether they would give $500,000 for some get-out-the-vote efforts.
And President Obama meticulously avoided visiting the state and made his final contribution to the campaign, which was a tweet on Monday night.
The comparison between tens of millions of dollars and an all-in effort by the RNC and by national Republicans, and a tweet from President Obama, I think, sums it up a little painfully."

Watch/ Hear entire interview:
http://www.democracynow.org/2012/6/6/walker_survives_wisconsin_recall/

warrprayer

(4,734 posts)
274. DISMAYED is what I am
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 09:40 AM
Jun 2012

... but remember... Tom Delay was once thought to be invincible... don't fight 'em, indict 'em!

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