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oberliner

(58,724 posts)
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:09 AM Mar 2016

AIPAC’s apology for Trump speech is unprecedented

This morning, Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu experienced something that American politicians have become all too familiar with — being overshadowed by Donald Trump.

The prime minister’s video-linked speech to the American Israel Public Affairs Committee's conference was preceded by the unscheduled introduction of AIPAC President Lillian Pinkus and four other leaders. Choking back tears, Pinkus apologized for Monday night's speeches, implying that Donald Trump had violated a nonpartisan standard.

“From the moment this conference began, until this moment, we have preached a message of unity,” Pinkus said. “We have said, in every way we can think of: Come together. But last evening, something occurred which has the potential to drive us apart, to divide us. We say, unequivocally, that we do not countenance ad hominem attacks, and we take great offense to those that are levied against the president of the United States of America from our stage.”

...

It was the reaction — wild applause now available to view on Trump's campaign website — that was officially rejected by AIPAC.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/03/22/aipacs-apology-for-trump-speech-is-unprecedented/

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AIPAC’s apology for Trump speech is unprecedented (Original Post) oberliner Mar 2016 OP
I posted a story leftynyc Mar 2016 #1
well this is mostly Bibi's fault PatrynXX Mar 2016 #4
I know who is to blame leftynyc Mar 2016 #5
Israel has gotten way out of hand in recent decades, particularly with Netanyahu. maddiemom Mar 2016 #31
Please FORGIVE and disregard my last post. maddiemom Mar 2016 #35
Wait! What was I saying? maddiemom Mar 2016 #39
Israel has slowly and inexorably aligned itself with the GOP procon Mar 2016 #2
Not true oberliner Mar 2016 #3
Yep PatrynXX Mar 2016 #6
I can't agree with you. procon Mar 2016 #11
Fair enough oberliner Mar 2016 #12
Israeli politics are solidly right-wing Scootaloo Mar 2016 #29
only netanyahu, not Israel. MariaThinks Mar 2016 #9
only netanyahu, not Israel. MariaThinks Mar 2016 #9
Arabs had something to do with it Cary Mar 2016 #13
Ok, Pinkus was apologizing for Trump's attack on Obama. MH1 Mar 2016 #7
Why do people still panic over the idea of Trump winning? Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #8
Why wouldn't they? trumad Mar 2016 #14
Hillary does it to generate fear. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #15
You're not afraid of a Trump presidency? ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2016 #19
He doesn't stand a chance. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #22
Sorry your hate for HRC is blinding you. lark Mar 2016 #20
It has noting to do with hate for Hillary.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #21
That's not what you were implying before. lark Mar 2016 #23
Bernie writes off Trump as a buffoon..... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #24
Nope lark Mar 2016 #25
He doesn't have supporters claiming we HAVE to vote for Bernie to stop Trump. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #30
#3 lark Mar 2016 #33
To be fair, there are far fewer Hillary supporters here.... Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #36
Oh I see... trumad Mar 2016 #26
Hillary needs a vilian to run against. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #27
Are you saying he isn't a villain? lark Mar 2016 #34
"Are you saying he isn't a villain?" Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #37
I don't. It will never happen. n/t arcane1 Mar 2016 #28
Expect to have a Hillary supporter freak. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #32
k&r for a civil discussion saidsimplesimon Mar 2016 #16
I am totally shocked. lark Mar 2016 #17
Wow, how weird is that? fasttense Mar 2016 #18
Do they really think people like Trump will not persecute them if they cheer and clap for him loud no_hypocrisy Mar 2016 #38
 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
1. I posted a story
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 10:12 AM
Mar 2016

about this yesterday. I had never seen anything like it from AIPAC before. Then again, I'd never seen Israel being used as a political football before 2012 either.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
4. well this is mostly Bibi's fault
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:51 AM
Mar 2016

turning the Country to the hard right. In it's near 70 yr history it has never ever been so Right wing.

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
5. I know who is to blame
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:53 AM
Mar 2016

bibi has been a freeking disaster. I hope he choked when Pres Obama won reelection - and I'm a VERY STRONG supporter of Israel.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
31. Israel has gotten way out of hand in recent decades, particularly with Netanyahu.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:44 PM
Mar 2016

I grew up in a very diversely religious family for the fifties through seventies. Only one second cousin that I'd met briefly a time or two as a child married a Muslim. (another friend married an The rest of my family was a real mix of Protestant/ Catholics and increasingly Jewish spouses becoming married a


n---needless to say, this was largely a Scandinavian family with some basically very non-religious Austro-Hungarian/ Germans in the mix on the other side. My family went to the closest Presbyterian church and sent us to "Bible School" just to keep from being bugged about CHURCH. Having married a fallen-away Catholic from a very liberal family, imagine my surprise when our pre-school daughter came home from MONTESSORI school feeling uncomfortable because all the other kids" went to (mostly Unitarian) CHURCH. Even more "surprising", (not really) her rebellious former Catholic dad asked me if I'd mind if she went the Catholic route if she wanted to get into "CHURCH". No problem. We're now divorced and our adult daughter knows all the neat "high celebration" days to enjoy CHURCH ceremony which are fun. Her morals, as are my own, don't come from CHURCH scripture or any moral high ground . They come from only the best common sense. Religion is largely an excuse for unleashing our worst impulses,

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
35. Please FORGIVE and disregard my last post.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:01 PM
Mar 2016

Real life distractions caught me up, and I got overwhelmed with dealing with real life stuff.

maddiemom

(5,106 posts)
39. Wait! What was I saying?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 03:05 AM
Mar 2016

I think I was responding to a post that was pulled and I was trying to make amends if, God forbid, I was too hard on Israel. I am of such mixed religious background that I know almost all of my family, aside from a couple of reprobate great uncles who became Christian and married "church ladies" in later life, my family was never uptight about religion. I am Agnostic myself because it's all a great mystery to any thinking soul, it would seem to me.

procon

(15,805 posts)
2. Israel has slowly and inexorably aligned itself with the GOP
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:45 AM
Mar 2016

and vice versa. It was inevitable as both groups share many of the same goals, philosophies and convictions that form their foreign policies ans spill over into religion and society practices. Republicans are always looking for a exploitable wedge to undermine Democrats and they thought they had the perfect advantage in fanning the disagreements between Obama and Netanyahu.

Netanyahu made a huge foreign relations blunder in accepting the Republican invitation to speak in Congress, but he was more interested in bitch-slapping Obama than thinking about the downward consequences of his theatrics. Now he has in effect permanently attached Israel to the coattails of the GOP and saddled AIPAC as a willing participant in every shocking incident the Republicans somehow find acceptable.

The horse has left the barn and AIPAC is rightfully terrified about the public image of their audience applauding a fascist bigot who mirrors one of history's most reviled dictators.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
3. Not true
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:50 AM
Mar 2016

Netanyahu has - since he is a right-winger.

Fortunately, Netanyahu is not Israel just as George W Bush was not America.

PatrynXX

(5,668 posts)
6. Yep
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:53 AM
Mar 2016

Most Left Wing Jews figured he was done for. But he aligned himself with the scary side where I guess I can't use that word right now but the sort that is Authoritarian if you have people with numbers still on their arms shouting their disgust at Israeli soldiers treatment of Palestinians somethings wrong.

procon

(15,805 posts)
11. I can't agree with you.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:03 PM
Mar 2016

For good or bad, the leader of a country represents the public face of that entire country, not just certain factions. He is the elected representative of the majority of voters who share a common interest and promote their same ideology, not the views of the loyal opposition.

Much to my own chagrin, unfortunately there's no denying that Bush was the figurehead who represented all of us as the iconic image America presented to the world while he was in office. Netanyahu is nonetheless the public personification of Israel while he remains its leader.

 

oberliner

(58,724 posts)
12. Fair enough
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:12 PM
Mar 2016

Certainly the current Israeli administration is in the same mold as US Republicans. No argument here.

 

Scootaloo

(25,699 posts)
29. Israeli politics are solidly right-wing
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:42 PM
Mar 2016

You say "Netanyahu isn't Israel" as if Israel is on the cusp of bringing a true liberal figure into leadership.

Cary

(11,746 posts)
13. Arabs had something to do with it
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:24 PM
Mar 2016

Rewarding Ehud Barack with an intifada for his efforts at Camp David had something to do with the election of Netanyahu.

MH1

(17,573 posts)
7. Ok, Pinkus was apologizing for Trump's attack on Obama.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 11:56 AM
Mar 2016

For some reason I read the OP differently. (Although it is only quoting from the article.)

Yeah, I can see how they might want to scramble to fix the mess they've made by coddling the extremists in the republican party.

ConservativeDemocrat

(2,720 posts)
19. You're not afraid of a Trump presidency?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:08 PM
Mar 2016

You'd be okay with it?

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

lark

(23,065 posts)
20. Sorry your hate for HRC is blinding you.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:09 PM
Mar 2016

She is not the only one who's pumping up the Trump fear, anyone with a brain can see that he's dangerous and unpredictable except that everything he does will benefit him and he cares nothing for us at all. He also doesn't care about laws or lives or things like the constitution. If you support him over her, you are in the wrong place.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
21. It has noting to do with hate for Hillary....
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:12 PM
Mar 2016

She claims to be the only one that can beat him.

That's not true.

In side by side matches Bernie wins by a much larger margin and she knows it.

lark

(23,065 posts)
23. That's not what you were implying before.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:16 PM
Mar 2016

Words and tone matter.

I do agree, btw, that Bernie would be better against Trump than HRC. That doesn't mean she's the only anti-Trump person out there, Bernie is calling Trump out too.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
24. Bernie writes off Trump as a buffoon.....
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:19 PM
Mar 2016

Hillary presents herself as the hero that can save us from him.

Sound familiar?

lark

(23,065 posts)
25. Nope
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:23 PM
Mar 2016

I heard a clip last night where Bernie was addressing Trumps violence, he said Donald Trump is a dangerous person and is actively promoting violence at his rallies, which is outrageous. He was not treating Donald as a clown but as a threat.

lark

(23,065 posts)
33. #3
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:46 PM
Mar 2016

I have seen several Bernie supporters on this board saying we had to elect Bernie if Trump is to be beaten. In fact, I've seen it more from Bernie supporters than those of HRC. If you notice, there aren't a lot of HRC supporters (% wise) on this board. I don't go to the individual forums so have no idea what's being said there, I just check out the Greatest threads and LBN.

 

Spitfire of ATJ

(32,723 posts)
36. To be fair, there are far fewer Hillary supporters here....
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 02:17 PM
Mar 2016

I'm speaking of what I heard at the caucus.

Bernie supporters had a laundry list of issues while Hillary supporters were all about fear of losing to Trump.

lark

(23,065 posts)
34. Are you saying he isn't a villain?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:49 PM
Mar 2016

He certainly seems that way to me. Again, Bernie was dissing Trump big time last night, so he seems to agree that Trumps actions are egregious. Sure seems like you are pro-Trump, hopefully you are just invested in your point and don't really think he's OK as it seems like you are implying??

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
16. k&r for a civil discussion
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 12:48 PM
Mar 2016

I call this event the AIPAC parade of who loves me most. It reminds me of the Koch and Adelson "interviews" for candidates worthy of their donations and subsequent lackey status. I believe it is unwise and illegal for any foreign nation or lobbyist to exert any influence on our elected officials.

lark

(23,065 posts)
17. I am totally shocked.
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:01 PM
Mar 2016

I thought AIPAC was totally in the tank for Repugs, shocked that they are trying to pretend they aren't.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
18. Wow, how weird is that?
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 01:03 PM
Mar 2016

Truly disturbing to see Jewish people cheer for Nazi like behavior. Do they really think people like Trump will not persecute them if they cheer and clap for him loud enough? Do you think Trump would call off his white supremacists Nazis if they started attacking Jews and their friends? It's NOT just Black, Hispanic and Muslim people these Trump supporters hate. AIPAC is playing a very dangerous game.

no_hypocrisy

(46,038 posts)
38. Do they really think people like Trump will not persecute them if they cheer and clap for him loud
Wed Mar 23, 2016, 03:38 PM
Mar 2016

enough?


Unfortunately and perhaps there is a false sense of security and protection of Jews if only because Trump has a daughter who converted to Orthodox Judaism and has 2-3 Jewish grandchildren.

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