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Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:38 AM

 

It's been a while since I asked, so ....

If we can't afford to educate our children, to heal our sick or tend to our elderly, just what is it the defense budget is defending?

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Reply It's been a while since I asked, so .... (Original post)
Scuba Mar 2016 OP
Half-Century Man Mar 2016 #1
daleanime Mar 2016 #18
deutsey Mar 2016 #23
Ernesto Mar 2016 #69
Duppers Mar 2016 #92
noiretextatique Mar 2016 #119
Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #47
heaven05 Mar 2016 #68
stellanoir Mar 2016 #98
Duval Mar 2016 #124
NorthCarolina Mar 2016 #2
lame54 Mar 2016 #3
LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #30
lame54 Mar 2016 #31
Pakhet Mar 2016 #60
KG Mar 2016 #4
pampango Mar 2016 #5
DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #6
think Mar 2016 #7
tk2kewl Mar 2016 #8
tk2kewl Mar 2016 #9
SCantiGOP Mar 2016 #10
Cryptoad Mar 2016 #11
Scuba Mar 2016 #17
Cryptoad Mar 2016 #20
Scuba Mar 2016 #22
Cryptoad Mar 2016 #26
floppyboo Mar 2016 #40
Cryptoad Mar 2016 #41
floppyboo Mar 2016 #43
Cryptoad Mar 2016 #51
villager Mar 2016 #52
Cryptoad Mar 2016 #62
villager Mar 2016 #64
Cryptoad Mar 2016 #72
villager Mar 2016 #73
Cryptoad Mar 2016 #75
villager Mar 2016 #87
Cryptoad Mar 2016 #89
villager Mar 2016 #126
floppyboo Mar 2016 #54
Doctor_J Mar 2016 #95
Cryptoad Mar 2016 #133
bvar22 Mar 2016 #97
SunSeeker Mar 2016 #107
bvar22 Mar 2016 #109
Phlem Mar 2016 #110
libdem4life Mar 2016 #61
Cryptoad Mar 2016 #74
libdem4life Mar 2016 #77
Cryptoad Mar 2016 #78
Phlem Mar 2016 #111
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #99
Cryptoad Mar 2016 #103
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #105
druidity33 Mar 2016 #116
Cryptoad Mar 2016 #123
druidity33 Mar 2016 #130
Thespian2 Mar 2016 #12
Kip Humphrey Mar 2016 #13
barbtries Mar 2016 #14
Iwillnevergiveup Mar 2016 #15
Cassiopeia Mar 2016 #16
xocet Mar 2016 #19
Punkingal Mar 2016 #21
AlbertCat Mar 2016 #24
padfun Mar 2016 #25
randome Mar 2016 #27
Rex Mar 2016 #102
Rebkeh Mar 2016 #28
astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #29
Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #32
LibDemAlways Mar 2016 #33
Bubzer Mar 2016 #34
onecaliberal Mar 2016 #35
JohnnyRingo Mar 2016 #36
Duncan Grant Mar 2016 #91
Fumesucker Mar 2016 #129
monicaangela Mar 2016 #37
Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #48
monicaangela Mar 2016 #79
Amimnoch Mar 2016 #38
libodem Mar 2016 #39
HughBeaumont Mar 2016 #42
valerief Mar 2016 #44
staggerleem Mar 2016 #45
blm Mar 2016 #46
Madmiddle Mar 2016 #49
SunSeeker Mar 2016 #108
tclambert Mar 2016 #50
blackspade Mar 2016 #53
Martin Eden Mar 2016 #55
Scuba Mar 2016 #57
astrophuss42 Mar 2016 #58
arcane1 Mar 2016 #56
lark Mar 2016 #59
DUbeornot2be Mar 2016 #80
ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2016 #63
Rex Mar 2016 #104
ConservativeDemocrat Mar 2016 #112
kristopher Mar 2016 #65
DemocracyDirect Mar 2016 #66
DUbeornot2be Mar 2016 #84
Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #67
OnyxCollie Mar 2016 #70
malthaussen Mar 2016 #71
AgerolanAmerican Mar 2016 #76
jillan Mar 2016 #81
Scuba Mar 2016 #82
jillan Mar 2016 #83
CrispyQ Mar 2016 #85
Scuba Mar 2016 #86
Tierra_y_Libertad Mar 2016 #88
Odin2005 Mar 2016 #90
Initech Mar 2016 #93
Duppers Mar 2016 #94
oberliner Mar 2016 #96
rhett o rick Mar 2016 #100
Rex Mar 2016 #101
mnhtnbb Mar 2016 #106
ananda Mar 2016 #113
whereisjustice Mar 2016 #114
liberalnarb Mar 2016 #115
Biki Mar 2016 #117
CentralMass Mar 2016 #118
Fantastic Anarchist Mar 2016 #120
southerncrone Mar 2016 #121
Silver_Witch Mar 2016 #122
midnight Mar 2016 #125
billhicks76 Mar 2016 #127
whereisjustice Mar 2016 #128
Cobalt Violet Mar 2016 #131
Kermitt Gribble Mar 2016 #132

Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:44 AM

1. Wall Street.

Much the same that our aggressive interference policies are tools of market acquisition.

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Response to Half-Century Man (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:24 AM

18. +1

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Response to Half-Century Man (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:34 AM

23. Smedley Butler agreed

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Response to deutsey (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:36 PM

69. My USMC HERO!.................n-t

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Response to deutsey (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:18 PM

92. +100

Yet, try telling this to a winger.

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Response to deutsey (Reply #23)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:21 PM

119. War is a racket eom

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Response to Half-Century Man (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:41 PM

47. BINGO.

 

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Response to Half-Century Man (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:34 PM

68. +10000

 

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Response to Half-Century Man (Reply #1)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:47 PM

98. basic natural law: Any entity that

spends more on its defense than it spends on its self nourishment will eventually exhaust itself, & is investing only in its own demise.

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Response to Half-Century Man (Reply #1)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:26 AM

124. +2

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:44 AM

2. The pocket books and net worth of the "fortunate"

 

and their minions.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:45 AM

3. oil...

the oil that is rightfully ours that happens to be under other countries

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Response to lame54 (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:47 AM

30. How true....The original name of the Iraq War was

Operation Iraqi Liberation. Cheney and his posse weren't fooling around in their quest to liberate Iraq's liquid gold.

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Response to lame54 (Reply #3)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:23 PM

60. OMG mom? Is that you?

I swear my mother has said those exact words usually combined with "make a parking lot" I swear, I don't think in was born into this family, I was snatched!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:45 AM

4. trade routes. as always.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:50 AM

5. It's defending AMERICA, god dammit! It's defending our FREEDOM (to underfund schools,

to not provide the health care that other developed countries have figured out how to do, to not prioritize taking care of the elderly, to provide tax cuts for the rich, to let our infrastructure crumble, etc.)

Those evil ferriners are not going to take away all these FREEDOMS and more if we just pay for a huuuuuuuge military.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:52 AM

6. For the empire...

 

... of Imperial Corporations.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:55 AM

7. Excellent question. /nt

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:58 AM

8. conquest

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:00 AM

9. Cost of Wars...

 

Total Cost of Wars Since 2001 $1,677,917,642,877

Every hour, taxpayers in the United States are paying
$8.36 million for Total Cost of Wars Since 2001.

https://www.nationalpriorities.org/cost-of/

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:01 AM

10. Our precious freedom

To carry guns so we can shoot each other.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:12 AM

11. Policing the World

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #11)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:22 AM

17. If that's the case, we suck at it.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #17)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:31 AM

20. U got that right,

I blame the GOP for getting the rest of the World "hooked" on us being their police. Why I'm. voting for somebody that will start weaning them off the Big USA Teat!

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:34 AM

22. I don't see the rest of the world welcoming our interference, but the MIC and their stooges ...

 

... really, really like it.

According to opensecrets.org, Hillary is #4(!) among recipients from the defense industry (i.e., war profiteers), and is the sole Democrat among the top 14 of the list.


http://www.opensecrets.org/industries/recips.php?cycle=2016&ind=D

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Response to Scuba (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:44 AM

26. Devils money spends just like everybody else

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #26)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:09 PM

40. who got them hooked? Ask former SOS

Pusherman usually gets put in jail.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #40)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:19 PM

41. Seems that History

is pretty clear on who should bear the greatest share of the Blame. .. The GOP

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #41)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:27 PM

43. true for the war on drugs, but there have been a few cases in the last years

of military intervention/coups. Unfortunately can't blame the GOP for those.

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Response to floppyboo (Reply #43)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:54 PM

51. History covers more than last couple of years

GOP's policy over the last 40 years tells me a much different story than ur Standard GOP response.

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #51)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:57 PM

52. ...as does constant Democratic acquiescence to those policies.

 

which, ironically, has brought us to the tipping point of an unsustainable Empire.

Going to make the next couple of decades all-too-interesting....

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Response to villager (Reply #52)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:29 PM

62. History

shows for teh last 40 years that any attempts by Dems to make changes that would start the weaning of the world off our Police Teat, has been systematically blocked by the GOP

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #62)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:30 PM

64. Like the Iraq war vote? Passing of the Patriot Act? All those vast defense budgets?

 


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Response to villager (Reply #64)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:59 PM

72. Like Democratic Party didn/t get us into Iraq

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #72)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:02 PM

73. You a funny guy.

 




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Response to villager (Reply #73)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:05 PM

75. Truth is Funny sometimes.

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #75)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:35 PM

87. Made-up stuff can be pretty hilarious, too. nt

 

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Response to villager (Reply #87)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:37 PM

89. I noticed

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #89)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 01:33 AM

126. During rewrite?

 

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #51)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:03 PM

54. note I didn't say couple, but let's go back to Jan 2009

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #51)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:29 PM

95. The last 40 years, Dems have been in control of the Senate for 24 of them,

 

the House for 24, and the White house for 20. Are they complicit or just useless?

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Response to Doctor_J (Reply #95)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:39 AM

133. U along with most of the GOP

dont understand what it takes to control the Senate,,,,, 60 votes.

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #41)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:02 PM

97. Bill Clinton played a BIG part in the whole disaster.

*Harsh mandatory sentencing

*The expansion of For Profit Private Prisons


20 Years Later, Parts Of Major Crime Bill Viewed As Terrible Mistake

"Twenty years ago this week, in 1994, then-President Bill Clinton signed a crime bill. It was, in effect, a long-term experiment in various ways to fight crime.

The measure paid to put more cops on the beat, trained police and lawyers to investigate domestic violence, imposed tougher prison sentences and provided money for extra <privatized> prisons.

<snip>
"We now know with the fullness of time that we made some terrible mistakes," Travis said. "And those mistakes were to ramp up the use of (privatized) prison. And that big mistake is the one that we now, 20 years later, come to grips with. We have to look in the mirror and say, 'look what we have done.'"

"If you're a black baby born today, you have a 1 in 3 chance of spending some time in prison or jail," Turner said. "If you're Latino, it's a 1 in 6 chance. And if you're white, it's 1 in 17. And so coming to terms with these disparities and reversing them, I would argue, is not only a matter of fairness and justice but it's, I would argue, a matter of national security."



Yes. That IS Hillary clapping wildly for this black mark on our history.

[font size=3]
The Clinton dynasty’s horrific legacy: How “tough-on-crime” politics built the world’s largest prison system
[/font]Over the past two decades, the Clintons' version of the "War on Drugs" has inflicted needless suffering on millions


"The explosion of the prison system under Bill Clinton’s version of the “War on Drugs” is impossible to dispute. The total prison population rose by 673,000 people under Clinton’s tenure — or by 235,000 more than it did under President Ronald Reagan, according to a study by the Justice Policy Institute. “Under President Bill Clinton, the number of prisoners under federal jurisdiction doubled, and grew more than it did under the previous 12-years of Republican rule,combined,” states the JPI report (italics theirs). The federal incarceration rate in 1999, the last year of the Democrat’s term, was 42 per 100,000 — more than double the federal incarceration rate at the end of President Reagan’s term (17 per 100,000), and 61 percent higher than at the end of President George Bush’s term (25 per 100,000), according to JPI."



<more at link>
http://www.salon.com/2015/04/13/the_clinton_dynastys_horrific_legacy_how_tough_on_crime_politics_built_the_worlds_largest_prison/



...and this doesn't even begin to talk about the corruption of "Private For Profit Prisons" that burgeoned under Clinton.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #97)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:25 PM

107. You are talking about a crime bill that Bernie voted for.

Why do you have to stink up this otherwise unity thread with that divisive Dem Primary partisan shit? Want to talk wasted military dollars? How about the TRILLIONS going to fund your candidate's pet boondoggle, the F-35?
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24583-bernie-sanders-doubles-down-on-f-35-support-days-after-runway-explosion

All Dems on this board agree we spend too much on defense and not enough on social programs. There is no reason to raise silly Dem primary partisan epithets in this thread to trash the Clintons, because Bernie voted for every defense budget he ever saw in Congress.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #107)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:39 PM

109. So supporting the Clinton Administration...

..is a Black Mark for Bernie according to you?

Got it.

Like most bills, the Clinton Crime Bill DID contain some pieces that I support, even today...like funding to put 100,000 more cops on the street.
Unfortunately, Congressmen can not vote for just pieces of a bill.
They have to vote for the whole tamale.

The MIC and our government does attempt to pass around the money to all states in order to keep them dependent.
Bernie will get a base for the F-35 in his state that will provide many jobs for his state's constituents. The F-35 was/is a Done Deal. The money has already been spent.
I respect Bernie for getting a piece of that action for the workers in his state.
THAT is one of the jobs he was elected to do for the people of his state.

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #109)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:54 PM

110. +1 Spot on.

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Response to Scuba (Reply #22)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:25 PM

61. I believe that qualifies her as a Hawk and her supporters as approving

 

that fact. Just the facts...please, no one-liners or sarcasm.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #61)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:04 PM

74. So by ur logic,,,,

if u accept less fromt eh Devil than somebody else u are the pure one? For Presidential candidates. Bern is only two spots below HRC in accepting Defense funding by a few thousand bucks so he is the Pure one..... geeez

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #74)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:15 PM

77. So, make the case for Bernie as Hawk. I'll read it, think about it

 

and agree or disagree. He voted for support for the troops who were already in harm's way, as he should. He voted against the war.

Defense funding is not the issue I addressed. It was the political philosophy that Regime Change/War/stealing other's mineral resources/playing global policemen et all is called Hawkish.

Bernie is usually loudly criticized as a Dove/CO/not a Hawk. Boy it comes from both sides.

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #77)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:18 PM

78. I didnt call him a Hawk

pointing out ur logic for calling HRC is flawed. us are pushing this thread way off topic,

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #78)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:55 PM

111. So basically you can't make the case.

Thank You.

That was easy wasn't it.

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #20)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:51 PM

99. Clinton is the MIC's best friend. And the neocons have all endorsed her. She

 

will make the loss of 5 trillion over Iraq look like chicken feed. At the recent AIPAC she was rattling her sword, threatening Iran.

Heaven help out troops and their families if she is elected.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #99)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:05 PM

103. One would thinkg that if HRC,,,

was MIC bbf , they would given her far more money that Bern,,,not just a few thousand$. As usual more fallacy logic

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #103)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:13 PM

105. "Hillary Is the Candidate of the War Machine"

 


http://www.huffingtonpost.com/jeffrey-sachs/hillary-is-the-candidate_b_9168938.html

Are you trying to make a case saying she isn't hawkish on foreign policy? Not apt to prod Iran into war? Didn't support the Republicons invasion of Iraq. We know who she is. She will increase the defense budget and cut safety nets, but blame the REpublicons. "I couldn't stop them".

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #103)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:15 PM

116. I need a link to that stat if you want me to believe it. nt.

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Response to Cryptoad (Reply #123)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:04 AM

130. So...

Over twice as much is "just a few thousand more"?



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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:14 AM

12. Global Corporations

Who need the US military to protect them while they destroy the earth...

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:14 AM

13. The Military-Industrial Complex.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:14 AM

14. the lavish lifestyles of the MIC

silly!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:17 AM

15. Propaganda instead of press n/t

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:20 AM

16. Profit in all its various forms. Or more specifically

the lifestyle of the .1%

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:30 AM

19. The system that supports the 1%. n/t

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:34 AM

21. The 1%.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:36 AM

24. just what is it the defense budget is defending?

 

Itself.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:44 AM

25. It's for security.

The kind of security that "they" need.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:44 AM

27. Inertia is the simple reason the military budget remains so out of scope.

 

Every politician is afraid to cut because the first terrorist attack will be used as fodder against that politician, as an easy way to say, "See? Look what happens when you cut the military!"

We need a large and long-running demonstration to get the numbers back under control.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]All things in moderation, including moderation.[/center][/font][hr]

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Response to randome (Reply #27)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:03 PM

102. So the terrorists really did win?

 

How pathetic.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:45 AM

28. Excellent question nt

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:47 AM

29. I honestly have no idea. eom

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:51 AM

32. I have no response for that question. It is perplexing, eh?

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:51 AM

33. It is defending the oligarchy so that the

1% can continue to amass obscene wealth. I have no doubt that if the 99% took it to the streets, the full force of the US military machine would be brought to bear against us.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:54 AM

34. Profits!

Or maybe prophets?
Or Profits for prophets?
Maybe even prophesizing of profits?
Or profits from prophesizing as prophets?

I should stop... I'm enjoying this a little too much.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:55 AM

35. PROFITS for the banks, MIC, and every other crooked corporation under the sun.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:59 AM

36. We have to protect the oil market.

Unlike some others, I'm not being flippant about this. When the US left the gold standard in the '60s we began backing our cash on the value of a barrel of crude. I'm sure at the time that seemed like a good idea since we were the major player in the energy game, but more and more oil was discovered in the Middle East and the situation changed.

Now known as the Petrodollar, every global purchaser of oil must first convert their currency to the US dollar at the current exchange rate. That is the only form of currency accepted by all oil producing countries. If something happens to the free movement of oil from the countries that produce it, or if a leader or royal family should lose control of said crude, it directly affects the value of every dollar in our pocket in an adverse way

The only country in the world that has a nuclear aircraft carrier force is the United States, not because we have money to burn, but because we're the only country that needs one to project our influence halfway around the world. We're the reason Sheiks and Kings don't need defense factories to protect their fragile reign from fanatics that would like to wrest control of oil production.

I'm not endorsing the policy, but until we can switch to a marijuana based economy or something, it's what we're stuck with. Oops, there's that flippancy.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #36)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:44 PM

91. +1

Thanks for this nugget of truth.

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Response to JohnnyRingo (Reply #36)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 06:48 AM

129. That's the real reason for the Iraq war

Saddam threatened the petrodollar.

http://content.time.com/time/magazine/article/0,9171,998512,00.html

By William Dowell/New York City Monday, Nov. 13, 2000

Europe's dream of promoting the euro as a competitor to the U.S. dollar may get a boost from SADDAM HUSSEIN. Iraq says that from now on, it wants payments for its oil in euros, despite the fact that the battered European currency unit, which used to be worth quite a bit more than $1, has dropped to about 82[cents]. Iraq says it will no longer accept dollars for oil because it does not want to deal "in the currency of the enemy."

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:00 PM

37. The Plutocrats

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Response to monicaangela (Reply #37)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:42 PM

48. or as Bernie would say, the "billionaire class"

 

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Response to Fast Walker 52 (Reply #48)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:22 PM

79. Same thing.

When people learn no tools of judgment and merely follow their hopes, the seeds of political manipulation are sown.

~~~~~ Stephen Jay Gould

Nothing explains the mind of the plutocrat better than the following quote from this man:

I can hire one half of the working class to kill the other half.

~~~~~ Stephen Jay Gould

If we don't stop maniacal individuals like this and other plutocrats from the billionaire class, we are eventually going to wind up with a violent revolution instead of the peaceful revolution that Bernie Sanders is speaking of.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:03 PM

38. Agree. Let's get a Progressive congress elected, and get the bills to a Presidents desk.

Even FDR would have had no new deal if it hadn't have been for the 73rd congress to make the 100 days of legislation happen.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:09 PM

39. Good Question

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:20 PM

42. Likely to assure all of the things you mentioned never happening.

The U.S.A. is in the victim-blaming, "close the drawbridge" business. They're certainly not in it for US.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:28 PM

44. It's defending the wealth of the war profiteers, of course! nt

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:29 PM

45. Shipping lanes ...

 

... through treacherous waters, so the oil tankers can safely reach our shores. Yet another hidden subsidy enjoyed by big oil.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:35 PM

46. Perfectly framed.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:50 PM

49. After this election season I'm switching to Independant!

 

Democrats are no longer acting the way they should.

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Response to Madmiddle (Reply #49)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:34 PM

108. Why? What Independent in Congress doesn’t vote for bloated defense budgets?

Certainly Bernie Sanders voted for every defense budget, including defending the TRILLIONS going to fund his pet boondoggle, the F-35:
http://readersupportednews.org/opinion2/277-75/24583-bernie-sanders-doubles-down-on-f-35-support-days-after-runway-explosion 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 12:53 PM

50. The defense budget defends arms manufacturers from poverty.

How else can they afford to make overpriced weapons systems that don't work very well, like the F-35 fighter and the B-2 bomber?

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:01 PM

53. "Our way of life"

ie. Corporate profits and political 'donations'

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:05 PM

55. The answer seems pretty obvious ...

The oligarchs are defending their own interests. This generates profits for the military industrial complex, and a perpetual state of war keeps the public focused on external enemies. Manipulation through fear, bigotry, and jingoism has a proven track record.

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #55)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:07 PM

57. Succint and accurate.

 

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Response to Martin Eden (Reply #55)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:07 PM

58. It's just so friggin barbaric.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:06 PM

56. Defense Industry profits n/t

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:09 PM

59. I know you know the answer to this.

You're just trying to test us.

OK, I'll play. The purpose of our disgustingly large defense budget is maintaining the control of our country by the MIC. That's the entire purpose of our bloated defense budget, keeping the 1% in power.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:29 PM

63. World peace

And the world is vastly more peaceful than it was even a hundred years ago.

Oh, and before you start whining that not everything is perfect, Syria is a basket case because it's a Russian client state, hosting a Russian military base on it and everything.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community


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Response to ConservativeDemocrat (Reply #63)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:08 PM

104. What a bullshit answer.

 

Do you ever answer anything truthfully? Ever?

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Response to Rex (Reply #104)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 06:42 PM

112. Your inability to recognize reality doesn't make me untruthful...

I would pull out some links for you to peruse, but you really don't sound like someone that lets neutral, objective, facts persuade you. So I'll just answer your question and say, "Yes - I answer things truthfully all the time. The proof of which is a google away, for anyone who wishes to research it."

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:32 PM

65. The defense budget is defending itself. nt

(bumpty bump)

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:33 PM

66. Clearly we need 13 nuclear powered aircraft carriers.

 

What else could be manufactured with such profit?

And there are more past Republican Presidents that need one named after them...

Sailing

Ronald Reagan
George H W Bush

Coming Soon

Gerald R Ford

Apparently they are building a John F Kennedy. Interesting how that is down the road after all the Republicans got one.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:33 PM

67. The freedom to be ignorant, sick, bankrupt and stressed out.



Thanks for the thread, Scuba.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:40 PM

70. "National interests"

 

Those of big banks and oil companies.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 01:42 PM

71. Um, profits. n/t

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:10 PM

76. the defense budget is defending

 

the defense budget

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:24 PM

81. Scuba - add voting to that.

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Response to jillan (Reply #81)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:25 PM

82. You are very wise.

 

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Response to Scuba (Reply #82)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:27 PM

83. Nope - not wise. Just happen to live in Arizona ;) nt

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:28 PM

85. I once posted your question on my FB page & I got 4 versions of this:



This is the mindset of so many republicans - the rugged individualist makes it on his own. They forget all the things a community pot pays for that they take advantage of & only think of the things they don't like - the social safety net, cuz you know, they'll never need it cuz they are self-made men. When you mention corporate handouts the response is that it's good for business & it's all back to the self-made men thing again. Their view of community is extremely inclusive & they don't value anyone outside of it.



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Response to CrispyQ (Reply #85)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:33 PM

86. Sounds like lotsa folks here in Wisconsin. They pipe in right-wing radio to ...

 

... manipulate people through hate and fear and a whole lot of people fall victim to it. I'm often surprised at what I hear come from the mouths of otherwise seemingly sane and rational people.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:37 PM

88. Killing children. For their own good...of course.

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 02:38 PM

90. The Capitalist Class.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:21 PM

93. This:

For an industry that claims it can't withstand a round of cuts without catastrophe, the companies making up the Defense industry have a habit of showering the CEOs with cash.

The average compensation package for a CEO at one of the top five contractors in the business was $21.5 million. The Project on Government Oversight pored through Securities and Exchange Commission filings to come to the figure, looking at the books of Lockheed Martin, Boeing, General Dynamics, Northrop Grumman, and Raytheon.

This sort of makes their claims that the businesses would be absolutely devastated with forthcoming cuts ring a bit hollow.

Just a few weeks ago, Lockheed Martin's CEO and a number of his colleagues hit Capitol Hill to emphasize that the cuts could cause massive layoffs of their employees.

http://www.businessinsider.com/check-out-these-insane-defense-ceo-salaries-before-you-believe-in-the-tragedy-of-defense-cuts-2012-8


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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:24 PM

94. Excellent question, Scuba.

The wise know it's Wall Street.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 03:32 PM

96. All children in the US receive free public education

 

In what sense do you mean the first part of what you wrote?

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Response to oberliner (Reply #96)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:57 PM

100. College

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 04:59 PM

101. Wall Street and the Establishment.

 

And as we've seen these past few years, evidently the enemy is now the American citizen...so our defense budget protects the plutocracy put in place by the same people that own the MIC.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 05:19 PM

106. The right to make a buck!

What else?

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 06:49 PM

113. Presumably the rich and their obsession ...

... with exploiting cheap labor and resources in
foreign countries.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:01 PM

114. It's defending the distribution of wealth from the middle class and below to the 1%. As pols like..

Hillary take more and more from us, a strong military/police state makes sure we don't ever protest about it.

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Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:02 PM

115. The rich pricks who are too powerful to be fighting themselves. nt

 

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 08:21 PM

117. Well ...

 

Well, that's just do nicely said. Thank you.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 09:39 PM

118. Profit.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 10:53 PM

120. The right of the 1% to continue their exploitation

...of everyone else.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:00 PM

121. The 1%'s strangle-hold on the world economy with their foot on our necks.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Fri Mar 25, 2016, 11:58 PM

122. To Make the Wealthy Richer

 

The Defense Budges serves only to make those who are party richer. It defends none of us - not from within or without. The wars rage on and yet we are not safe. And inside the police kill us - without retribution or righteous protection from our government.

I look forward to the time when Democrats again support freedom, peace and the support of all Americans!!!

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:31 AM

125. Absolutely the best question every Scuba…..

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 02:31 AM

127. Wall St

 

They serve bankers not people.

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Sat Mar 26, 2016, 05:35 AM

128. Defending the rights of the Clinton class to send jobs to Asia while...

sending our young to prison and poverty.

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 08:22 AM

131. corporate socialism

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Response to Scuba (Original post)

Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:11 AM

132. Freedumb? n/t

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