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kpete

(71,985 posts)
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:08 AM Mar 2016

OMG! NYT Commenter Rips The GOP and Their Hero Ronald Reagan Apart In Spectacular Fashion

soxared040713
Crete, IL From Boston, MA 15 hours ago

Mr. Brooks,

I don't know where to begin. It would be impolite for me to tell you that you have lost your mind. Well, I'm willing to be impolite. I sincerely wish that I wasn't limited to 1,500 characters. I've already wasted 227.

Ronald Reagan was evil; he took an axe to the foundation of the American democratic system "government is the problem", a failure, then set about dividing the country by income and race and section. And smirked when while his clueless base looked the other way while his cronies hogged the government trough they so hated. Mr. Brooks, please recall the unforgettable scene in Alien. Donald Trump, today, is the awful, bloody thing that forced itself out of the GOP's breast. It uncoils from the corpse, snarls and snaps at everyone standing around in horror and scuttles off, leaving a clattering, putrid mess behind. The image is violent. After Reagan, H. W., Lee Atwater, Karl Rove, Grover Norquist, W. and Cheney (and now McConnell, Ryan and the departed Boehner), what on earth did you expect from the wreck?

And how do you get off writing "Trump is loveless. There is no room for reciprocity and love in his worldview." ? No, there isn't nor has there been any in the GOP's since, oh, Richard Nixon (1968).

Mr. Brooks, there will be a post-Trump era because we're still in the Reagan area. The merest child could see through your references to Thomas Kuhn's "model." The GOP's a complete disaster. You were there at its creation and cheered it on. Happy today?

http://www.dailykos.com/stories/2016/3/25/1506312/-OMG-NYT-Commenter-Rips-The-GOP-and-Their-Hero-Ronald-Reagan-Apart-In-Spectacular-Fashion
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/25/opinion/the-post-trump-era.html?hpw&rref=opinion&action=click&pgtype=Homepage&module=well-region&region=bottom-well&WT.nav=bottom-well&_r=1

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OMG! NYT Commenter Rips The GOP and Their Hero Ronald Reagan Apart In Spectacular Fashion (Original Post) kpete Mar 2016 OP
They didn't think the chickens would come home to roost so soon... malthaussen Mar 2016 #1
Absolutely n/t n2doc Mar 2016 #6
I suspect that they never expected them to roost at all: Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #10
Kudos for pushing the metaphor farther.:) malthaussen Mar 2016 #14
And who says that all that will hatch is a chicken? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #28
Typos are terrible things... n/t malthaussen Mar 2016 #45
What he said. Gidney N Cloyd Mar 2016 #2
If you like that, you should look up America's leading professor of Brooksology... JHB Mar 2016 #3
driftglass kpete Mar 2016 #4
do you listen to his and his wife's podcast "Professional Left" ? Fast Walker 52 Mar 2016 #63
Excellent! mountain grammy Mar 2016 #8
OMG. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #15
I saved the link malaise Mar 2016 #25
+1 Johonny Mar 2016 #27
Oh Yes! I just posted his link too! zentrum Mar 2016 #40
There we go. Thanks. closeupready Mar 2016 #47
brooks was called bo bo(mystic science 3000 monkey man) on rising hegemon. pansypoo53219 Mar 2016 #48
K&R. Bookmarked. So glad to have someone saying so well how I feel about Brooks ! Overseas Mar 2016 #53
Wow! Punkingal Mar 2016 #5
Right there with you. klook Mar 2016 #61
The Ruling Class is taking advantage of the carnage in the GOP. They use Trump as a bludgeon rhett o rick Mar 2016 #7
I think we all learned a lesson from Obama's presidency. Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #11
Yep. SusanCalvin Mar 2016 #16
I will never forget the joy I felt the night Obama won. pangaia Mar 2016 #19
Exactly. I knew from Rick Warren what the message was. It seemed it was important to strike rhett o rick Mar 2016 #22
If we fail in 2016, we need to start think about breaking the mold of the two-party system - Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #29
We can't leave the Democratic Party. It's our Party and we need to kick rhett o rick Mar 2016 #32
The UK Labour Party Califonz Mar 2016 #36
And Don siegelman is STILL in prison Doctor_J Mar 2016 #49
more status quo, more status quo - why won't anybody vote to keep things untenable? Betty Karlson Mar 2016 #50
Electing Bernard Sanders is the only hope we have. pangaia Mar 2016 #17
Yes It Is... BUT The NOW Democratic Party Hasn't HAD Their A-HA Moment ChiciB1 Mar 2016 #46
Yes, thank-you! Took the words right out of my mouth mrdmk Mar 2016 #59
K & R mountain grammy Mar 2016 #9
GOP will wrap Trump up in a bow, blame him for all the GOP wiggs Mar 2016 #12
Excellent AxionExcel Mar 2016 #13
Love that comment. MrScorpio Mar 2016 #18
Republicans? Failed? They control the House, Senate, most state legislatures, half of the tabasco Mar 2016 #37
Sure, they know how to steal elections... MrScorpio Mar 2016 #38
Why are they still in power then? Boomerproud Mar 2016 #58
Excellent point. nt MrScorpio Mar 2016 #60
This is great! ananda Mar 2016 #20
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #21
Uncle Joe kpete Mar 2016 #23
Good morning to you, kpete. Uncle Joe Mar 2016 #26
Beautiful malaise Mar 2016 #24
Wow. Happy today? That is the question we need to ask jwirr Mar 2016 #30
Occupy the Party? HenryWallace Mar 2016 #31
I can see the Democrats splintering in the near future into the New Republicans and FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #43
The problem is... SHRED Mar 2016 #33
Reagan was a fraud and a liar liberalfromaustin21 Mar 2016 #34
This was the inevitable result of one political party becoming the home of the worst of humanity. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #35
Well done! And... zentrum Mar 2016 #39
Reagan disease.... AlbertCat Mar 2016 #41
Love the Alien chestburster analogy. So spot on in describing Reagan and his various spawn. FighttheFuture Mar 2016 #42
Another comment from the story: LiberalLovinLug Mar 2016 #44
Yowza!!!! Thanks for sharing this. Bookmarking japple Mar 2016 #51
K&R. Wonderful! Overseas Mar 2016 #52
That was a thing of beauty libodem Mar 2016 #54
A main symptom of this social disease felix_numinous Mar 2016 #55
In some ways the Republican power brokers' horror at the rise of Trump is satisfying... SylviaD Mar 2016 #56
Ronnies last 2 years of his presidency pbmus Mar 2016 #57
"There is no room for reciprocity and love in his worldview." A lot of truth in one short sentence. pampango Mar 2016 #62

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
1. They didn't think the chickens would come home to roost so soon...
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:23 AM
Mar 2016

... reminds me a bit of one of my favorite epitaphs: "I expected this, just not so soon."

If the current model of the psychopathic, libertarian conservative is right, they hoped to die before the check came due and leave the mess in the laps of the rising generation. Now they're bewildered that their 40-year con has suddenly, dramatically, been exposed, and they're scrambling to cover their asses and secure their portfolios. While one may roll his eyes at the affectations of disbelief and dismay coming from the Right, I am equally intolerant of those on the Left who make bank out of pointing their fingers and howling with glee. But at least the latter have the excuse of finally feeling validated.

Neither, however, give much of a damn about the state of the Republic.

-- Mal

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
10. I suspect that they never expected them to roost at all:
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:21 AM
Mar 2016

"Just keep posting foxes to guard the hen-house, and the chickens will never come to roost."

Meanwhile, on the Democratic side, one campaign is counting chickens that are yet to hatch.

malthaussen

(17,187 posts)
14. Kudos for pushing the metaphor farther.:)
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:28 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sat Mar 26, 2016, 02:24 PM - Edit history (1)



In the final analysis, I don't think it much matters if they thought "never" or "never in my lifetime," they surely had no thought that it would blow up in their faces.

Fortunately for them, Plan B is working fine, and by this time in 2017, all of this will be a bad dream. Unless, of course, those prematurely-counted chickens fail of their promise.

-- Mal

JHB

(37,158 posts)
3. If you like that, you should look up America's leading professor of Brooksology...
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:34 AM
Mar 2016
http://driftglass.blogspot.com/

Merely the latest:
David Brooks: The Great Project, Volume II -- The Panglossing

Longtime readers of this blog know of my ridiculously well-documented hypothesis that Mr. David Brooks of the New York Times has never practiced what the kids call "journalism" in any sense of the word, nor does he really write whatchacall "op-ed" columns.

Instead, the New York Times has employed Mr. David Brooks at heavy expense for the sole purpose of spinning comforting and imaginative fairy tales about a wholly imaginary "Republican Party" which exists as a collective hallucination in the minds of Mr. David Brooks, a few hundred other, lesser confidence men who live off of the same grift, a handful of extremely wealthy idiots who desperately want to believe what Mr. Brooks writes, and many thousands of cultural cowards who want to feign political sagacity while hiding out in the safe confines of the seemingly-indestructible Both Siderist bunker which Mr. Brooks has built for them.

Or, as one 100% unemployable Liberal degenerate once put it several thousand posts ago:

...it is now painfully clear that Mr. Brooks is engaged in a long-term project to completely rewrite the history of American Conservatism: to flense it of all of the Conservative social, political economic and foreign policy debacles that make Mr. Brooks wince and repackage the whole era as a fairy tale of noble Whigs being led through treacherous hippie country by the humble David Brooks.
much more at the link
 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
63. do you listen to his and his wife's podcast "Professional Left" ?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 09:17 AM
Mar 2016

It's become a favorite of mine in the past year.

Overseas

(12,121 posts)
53. K&R. Bookmarked. So glad to have someone saying so well how I feel about Brooks !
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 05:33 PM
Mar 2016

Brooks does so often seem to be promoting fairy tales.

Punkingal

(9,522 posts)
5. Wow!
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:48 AM
Mar 2016

Massive, spot-on take down. I am so happy to see it. The night Reagan got elected was one of the worst nights EVER in my life. I could never understand the media calling him "beloved" and "wildly popular." I couldn't stand him, and the excessive worship of the RW since he left office only made it worse.

klook

(12,154 posts)
61. Right there with you.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 05:59 AM
Mar 2016

I knew this country was in serious trouble when this happy warrior of obtuse narcissism was elected.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
7. The Ruling Class is taking advantage of the carnage in the GOP. They use Trump as a bludgeon
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 09:51 AM
Mar 2016

to coerce us into supporting a very conservative Clinton. They paint her as a progressive. They think with their wealth they can paint anything and fool us. But some perspective, Obama ran as a progressive but not as progressive as Sanders a true Progressive. After being elected, Obama changed into a moderate conservative and is still to the left of Clinton.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
11. I think we all learned a lesson from Obama's presidency.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:24 AM
Mar 2016

my painful lesson started on inauguration day. Rick Warren, anyone?

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
19. I will never forget the joy I felt the night Obama won.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:36 AM
Mar 2016

And I will never forget the WHAT THE FUCK feeling I had about Rick Warren.

Right then I realized either Obama had not a clue what was about to happen....OR... I had been duped.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
22. Exactly. I knew from Rick Warren what the message was. It seemed it was important to strike
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:40 AM
Mar 2016

at the progressives early and hard. He had to reassure the conservatives that he was one of them and not the campaign Obama.

We have a long hard uphill battle against the Plutocratic Oligarchy that has an iron grip on our democracy. We can't afford the status quo for 4 more years. If we fail in 2016, we need to start working on 2020 immediately.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
29. If we fail in 2016, we need to start think about breaking the mold of the two-party system -
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:28 AM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sat Mar 26, 2016, 05:01 PM - Edit history (1)

preferably beyond repair.

 

rhett o rick

(55,981 posts)
32. We can't leave the Democratic Party. It's our Party and we need to kick
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:44 AM
Mar 2016

out the Conservatives. The Party has a history and huge infrastructure that we can't abandon. If we are not capable of kicking out the conservatives, we won't beat them with a new party. We need a viable two party system.

 

Califonz

(465 posts)
36. The UK Labour Party
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:16 PM
Mar 2016

Founded in 1900, it overtook the UK Liberal Party in the 1920s and has been in power off and on ever since.

A new party in the United States can be founded and built, but it may take a generation or two to gain power.

On the other hand, the US Republican Party took only six years from its founding to elect a president in a four-way race in 1860, so the breakup of the GOP due to the Trump circus might be a great opportunity for a truly progressive US national party! Now, what to name it that isn't already taken, hmmmm....

 

Doctor_J

(36,392 posts)
49. And Don siegelman is STILL in prison
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 04:25 PM
Mar 2016

I think the president's duplicity has made it easier for me to refuse to vote for Hillary.

 

Betty Karlson

(7,231 posts)
50. more status quo, more status quo - why won't anybody vote to keep things untenable?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 05:05 PM
Mar 2016

thus spake the priviledged, the ruler, and the profiteer.

ChiciB1

(15,435 posts)
46. Yes It Is... BUT The NOW Democratic Party Hasn't HAD Their A-HA Moment
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 02:33 PM
Mar 2016

yet! They think that by giving Hillary the nomination THIS COUNTRY will see any real change! Everything Brooks talked about is so much like what Hillary believes NO MATTER what she's saying now!

So, so many of us here KNOW this to be true. This election SHOULD be the time for REAL CHANGE on BOTH sides of the aisle! RIGHT now, the supposed front runners won't bring any change. On one hand TRUMP signifies some sort of weird, horrible rising of a heaping pile of crap! On the other hand so many of us KNOW Hillary only means more of the same. Maybe she's not as bombastic as Trump, but if this country was truly willing to look at itself clearly the possibility of REAL CHANGE is there.

What isn't clear about her ties to money and THE POWER BROKERS? It baffles me! Those of us who support Bernie DO REALIZE that he CAN'T turn the mess around by himself or even very quickly. We DO understand it! But we also understand that to go on like we are now we risk losing the possibility of electing a person who has presented himself before us to FIGHT for "we the people" and then we must ask... When will this opportunity come along again???

The TWO people with the HIGHEST negatives are what we are looking at to become the POTUS! What does THAT say about this country?? I have yet to figure it out.

But I do KNOW that with such HIGH NEGATIVES it doesn't say we're willing to MOVE FORWARD and GIVE CHANGE a chance!

This Democratic Party may not be seeing it yet as they laugh and point fingers at the other side, but THEY'RE even unwilling to LOOK at what THEY'VE become!

The Democratic is going to see a mass exodus should we get Hillary. I know I'm DONE! Not hollow words from me, just the plain truth. You may not think Bernie is a Democrat, but HE IS what this country needs right now to begin to heal!

We still have time!!!

mrdmk

(2,943 posts)
59. Yes, thank-you! Took the words right out of my mouth
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 02:54 AM
Mar 2016

Never have it seen so many people jump through themselves branding this women as a progressive. She just does not fit the definition...


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wiggs

(7,812 posts)
12. GOP will wrap Trump up in a bow, blame him for all the GOP
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:25 AM
Mar 2016

perceived ills, and kick him to the curb. He will be the scapegoat...the unwilling sacrificial lamb....they will attempt to use him to show how compassionate, intolerant of racism, and modern they are when they reject him as a candidate. They will rebrand as the 'new' GOP. But they'll be the same as ever, of course.

The GOP will try this...may work, may not.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
18. Love that comment.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:35 AM
Mar 2016

Reagan, in the aftermath of Nixon, pretty much planted the Republican Party on the path of becoming the failed institution that it is today, by single-handedly purging the party of both liberals and moderates. Yes, there used to be liberal Republicans. I’m old enough to remember them.

The GOP is now a fully-owned subsidiary of the corporate oligarchy, which is now fully in control of both the economy and the state. Without anyone with any common sense in the Republican Party, no one is left to inform the delusional right wing supply side cult that their fantasies are not only ineffective, but they’re downright destructive.

Frankly, I wish that the GOP would collapse on itself, otherwise they’d have no incentive to reinvent the party, purging itself of it’s fanatical contingent. If one, the GOP is continue to exist as a braindead entity without a living will, kept alive by the support of it’s billionaire oligarchy masters.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
37. Republicans? Failed? They control the House, Senate, most state legislatures, half of the
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:21 PM
Mar 2016

Supreme Court.

Looks to me like the Democratic party is the failed institution.

MrScorpio

(73,630 posts)
38. Sure, they know how to steal elections...
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:51 PM
Mar 2016

But when they try to govern, they're proven incompetent at that task. They're victims of their own success at conning the white working class and the oligarchs into falling for their bullshit. Their failure is manifested in the fact that no one really trusts them at doing their job. An approval rating for Congress just above 14 percent is not really a sign of success.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/other/congressional_job_approval-903.html

Boomerproud

(7,952 posts)
58. Why are they still in power then?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:23 AM
Mar 2016

The failure is with the American electorate. WE ARE the victims of their success. Love the OP though. Brilliant.

kpete

(71,985 posts)
23. Uncle Joe
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 10:43 AM
Mar 2016

Good Morning to you
We are up with the family in the mountains
-----still a little snow on the ground.
Going to fill our painted eggs with bird seed and crack them on each others heads tomorrow morning.

Peace to us all,
kp

jwirr

(39,215 posts)
30. Wow. Happy today? That is the question we need to ask
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:29 AM
Mar 2016

every right leaning organization (media) and politician. Enough is enough.

 

HenryWallace

(332 posts)
31. Occupy the Party?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:42 AM
Mar 2016

The fiscal Conservatives are on the move!

Michael Gerson basically endorses Hillary :

http://qctimes.com/news/opinion/editorial/columnists/guest/gerson-the-empty-promises-of-trump-and-sanders/article_c7a3fe14-38b3-50be-a4fa-a4a20b847002.html

Now Brook's disavows Trickle-down (for the time being)........

The battle lines are being drawn and it is for the Heart & Soul of the only remaining viable party!

 

FighttheFuture

(1,313 posts)
43. I can see the Democrats splintering in the near future into the New Republicans and
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 01:51 PM
Mar 2016

the Social Democrats!! Can't come soon enough!

 

SHRED

(28,136 posts)
33. The problem is...
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:03 PM
Mar 2016

...The corporatists that are freaked by what's happening in the GOP are infiltrating our party now.

 
34. Reagan was a fraud and a liar
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:04 PM
Mar 2016

His policies screwed over countless Americans during his tenure. He's easily one of our worst presidents.

zentrum

(9,865 posts)
39. Well done! And...
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 01:23 PM
Mar 2016

Actually Repub heartlessness goes back to McCarthy and the witch hunts on American artists, actors, and directors.

Do you know about Driftglass? He's posts brilliantly about the Brooks disaster. Highly recommended. Great graphics too.

http://driftglass.blogspot.com


 

AlbertCat

(17,505 posts)
41. Reagan disease....
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 01:44 PM
Mar 2016

Sanders is the 1st politician since 1980 from any party to run for president that doesn't sound like he is in some stage of "reagan disease".

LiberalLovinLug

(14,173 posts)
44. Another comment from the story:
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 01:59 PM
Mar 2016

Neutral Observer NYC 1 day ago

I'm sorry Mr. Brooks, but you don't get to travel, in the space of 5 or 6 columns, from hair-on-fire warnings as to how the Republican Party simply must stop Trump, to gushing about what a wonderful and exciting time it is to be a Republican as a result of the fact that, er, Trump is taking a jackhammer to your party. (Or maybe this column is just one long, winking joke and I'm simply too dumb to get it.) I want to read the column where you debunk the notion that the GOP is a helpless victim of the catastrophe it's bringing upon itself and maybe the nation, and clearly explain that Republicans visited this disaster upon themselves through their cynical, deceitful, slick and centrally-planned, decades-long strategy of directly appealing to the basest instincts in our national character in order to round up enough votes to place their retrograde policies at the center of the country's agenda. You could start with an honest acknowledgment of your own efforts in this regard. Denial is not a river in Egypt.



I wish the NYT had the guts to hire someone, like your OP example, not afraid to call out the Republican establishment's shameful facilitation of the barbarians from the bottom of their barrel rise to the top.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
55. A main symptom of this social disease
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 06:12 PM
Mar 2016

is not recognizing blowback or taking responsibility for well, anything. The piles of shit these people leave in their wake is stinking up the planet now. It's time to clean house.

SylviaD

(721 posts)
56. In some ways the Republican power brokers' horror at the rise of Trump is satisfying...
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 07:02 PM
Mar 2016

...they created the monster, but it ran out of control. Now they scramble to put it back in the cage. Too late!

pampango

(24,692 posts)
62. "There is no room for reciprocity and love in his worldview." A lot of truth in one short sentence.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 06:20 AM
Mar 2016

'Reciprocity' both from one American to another in our country and from one country to another in our world. "Love?" No. Power and money matter much more in the Trump worldview.

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