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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsHow far back has your family tree been traced?
Mine goes back to the mid-1700s. It cannot go any further as the church were all the records were kept at the time was burnt down, so the story goes, by Russian troops.
jeff47
(26,549 posts)At least on one branch.
My ancestors lived on the Scottish-English border, and more-or-less made their living rebuilding the town after the various wars/skirmishes/peacekeeping.
Before that, the records have basically disappeared.
grasswire
(50,130 posts)...that not all of my English/Scottish were indigenous peoples. There are Vikings in my line. That was a huge, huge surprise to me.
Hekate
(90,565 posts)Celts, Angles, Saxons, Romans, Vikings, Normans -- tribe after tribe landed, invaded, fought, left their seed. Fascinating place, in that regard. The PBS series called The Story of English certainly tells part of the story as regards language.
When I took Western Civ in my freshman year of college one of my texts was a book with map after map of the tribal migrations of Old Europe. I meant to keep it forever, but somewhere along the way I lost it.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,271 posts)One of the earliest DNA studies of a skeleton in the Isles - 9,000 year old "Cheddar Man" - turned out to have a good mitochondrial DNA match in a local teacher.
Picts are thought to have been Celtic too, by the way, but not particularly connected to the Gaels in Ireland and the Western Isles: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Picts
Hekate
(90,565 posts)That is, they volunteered in the interests of modern research. In this day and age you wouldn't think there'd be any group left that hadn't moved for 10,000 years -- but I think that kind of thinking makes you an American. Sure enough though, a sizable core of that village had links to the Stone Age bones discovered near to it.
I love this kind of stuff.
I have not read all my late mother's 4 books, but she did the family genealogy as far back as she could on both her and my father's side. English, Irish, French, German, with an early dash of Pequot seems to be the mix, with my mother's mother's line going back to Solomon L "born about 1610 in Monmouth England," the earliest emigre to America. He would have been Protestant. The Irish Catholics came later, most during the Famine -- but at least one of the Irish was a Quaker.
Parishes burn down or sometimes get obliterated in wars. My husband's family records were among the millions burned to ashes in the Holocaust...
But when I mentioned my mother's work to Tomoko, a family friend originally from Japan, she asserted there was a 300 year record of her own family in the Prefecture she was born in. Japan is so different that way -- a very homogeneous group of people, unlike the British Isles, and the Buddhist priesthood early on was co-opted into keeping meticulous records that could be used by the State, rather than just for its own purposes. (Tomi didn't say that; I read it elsewhere.)
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)Great article in the Guardian on this in the last couple of years.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)How many ancestors do we have?
...... 8 great-grandparents, 16 great-great-grandparents, 32, 64, 128, 256,
512 great-great-great-great-great-great-great grandparents,
1,024 2,048 4,092 8,184 16,368
Fifteen generations ago 32,736 great, great..... grandparents.
Counting back, every generation twice as many ancestors as the generation of descendants.
Given 25 years per generation, 40 generations occur in 1000 years.
We each have one trillion ancestors in the last 1000 years,
and double that every 25 years more. Millions and billions, trillions...
.... We are ALL one family.
csziggy
(34,131 posts)I've lost track of the number of ancestors I have that married first, second and third cousins. Sometimes the relationships between mates was not quite that close but they were still related within a few generations.
Even further down the line people are related more than they might suspect. My husband's parents were from Minneapolis, both for several generations. My father's parents were from Escanaba in Upper Peninsula Michigan and my mother's family were all from central Alabama since the 1820's (give or take a decade).
I still find lines that cross between my ancestors and my husband's ancestors and between my father's and my mother's ancestors. I've lost track of the common ancestors between my husband and me - it's a pretty good number especially when you consider that at least half my ancestors left the North before the American Revolution.
People tend to think that their family trees are discreet, independent from others but they are not. There are overlaps everywhere. Just the other day A DUer posted about one of their ancestors, a 9th great grandfather - that man is also my husband's 9th great grandfather! Who would have thought?
We ARE all one family!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)there are other ways to find evidence than church records. Cencus and other peoples family tree come to mind and also military records.
Kaleva
(36,259 posts)All records (birth, marriage, death and such) were kept and maintained at the local churches at that time.
"In general the Lutheran church began keeping records after a 1686 royal decree. Each parish gradually complied with this decree. Before the decree some prominent churchmen, including bishop Johannes Rudbeckius in Sweden and bishops Isak Rothovius and Johannes Gezelius in Finland, promoted record keeping. Hence, some parishes began keeping records earlier. For example, Teisko birth records begin in 1648. "
https://familysearch.org/wiki/en/Finland_Church_Records
jwirr
(39,215 posts)for other people who were also related and had found them. I found their family tree on-line. And you are correct it was the church that kept the records not the state.
juxtaposed
(2,778 posts)from Finland. The american history is easy to find, the Finland part seems to be less known.
roguevalley
(40,656 posts)It pays to have wealthy cousins with a genealogical bug and 30 years to do it
csziggy
(34,131 posts)In my case my father's family was interested in genealogy in the late 1800s. We have letters when my great great grandfather was researching his lineage - one from a cousin that discusses why the spelling of their surname was changed three generations before. Another is from a great aunt (born before 1800) with information about that generation and a sibling the had disappeared (It turned out he was just estranged from the family and he turned up in the records in Ohio).
My father's mother had enough research completely to join the Daughters of the American Revolution in 1911. When my mother married into the family she wanted to prove her family was just as good so she began her genealogical research in the 1950s.
Mom was lucky to a certain extent - her ancestors all moved to the part of Alabama where she grew up in the 1820s and 30s. So we'd go visit her parents and spent summers traipsing around cemeteries taking pictures of tombstones or helping Mom look up deeds and wills in the courthouse. Mom was pleased that she could show up her MIL - Mom ended up with more patriots than grandmother had, LOL.
So when I work on my genealogy mostly I am verifying what Mom and Grandmother already knew - but they had no access to original census pages, just to census indices. Since both of them were more into their "patriots" they often stopped when they found a Revolutionary ancestor so I get to look up a lot of people before that.
Then I married and my MIL is really into genealogy. She was involved in publishing a book with every person with her maiden name who lived/lives in the US. She had files and files on my husband's ancestors and bought her first computer in the early 1980s in order to organize her families and to get online to correspond to others. She only stopped when the ancestors arrived in North America - but she did little with siblings and only researched direct ancestors. I have her eight boxes of research and I'm trying to take those lines back to the Old World.
So I had decades of other people's work to build on when I started!
30 years - pfft!
CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)Mother was adopted so good luck huh?
Well, I found out who her real mother was and sent a card to a first cousin I found and as it turns out, said cousin has written a book going back to pre-1750 America. Seems I'm related to Daniel Boone of all people. He was in North Carolina at the same time my Cherokee relations were still there prior to the removals of the Eastern Cherokee to wherever they could be dumped!
When you reach a point like this, it becomes fairly easy to trace back being a famous person is involved.
You never know what happens when you get into researching a family tree. All sorts of things come up and for me, most of them very helpful and good too plus finding a whole family I never knew I had is a big deal to me!
jwirr
(39,215 posts)They lived in Montana. I was very surprised to find that one out.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)And to his wife, Rebecca, as well.
CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)Not the Howard family by chance?
historylovr
(1,557 posts)My second great-grandfather was Morgan Bryan Ringo. His Bryan great-grandfather was a cousin to Rebecca, and his Morgan great-grandfather was a cousin to Daniel, if that makes sense. Either way, both Rebecca and Daniel are my 1st cousins 7 times removed.
My Howard family connection goes a bit further back, to the Duke of Norfolk who married my 14 great-grandmother after her first husband, Humphrey Bourchier (my 14th great-grandfather), was killed at the Battle of Barnet.
Is your Howard family in the Carolinas? I came across the name while researching other family in South Carolina.
CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)Considering the date and the fact that Andrew Jackson is part of the story one can only look to history for answers. This is when the removals were going on for the Cherokee, this much is known.
They are scattered all over the place but were from No. Carolina. They were in what was known as Davie County, N.C. which is today Rowan, N.C.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)Davie/Rowan County is where my Bryan ancestors lived before they migrated into Kentucky.
CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)Mary Bryan, sister of Rebecca. I do have a picture of her (Rebecca) I found somewhere. If I find it again, will send it to you.
I've done quite a bit of reading re: Rebecca. Seems she had a child that was not that of Daniel Boone, rather his brother while he was away hunting.
Daniel Boone knew of it and his reply was something like, "Its a Boone and that is all that matters".
Also a physical description I have of her too. They owned Bryan's Station around that same place. I think we must be cousins it seems.
historylovr
(1,557 posts)Hello, cousin!
CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)and yes, the claim by her is that these same Howards do descend from the same Duke from England named above.
It must be the same people! And here we are still today!
Hello cousin and wow do I have a fascinating story (!!) !!
CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)She was my great grand mother 5X removed. She was married to a Howard and my grandmother was also a Howard and that was my mother's given middle name as well. Seems even though she was given up for adoption, they wanted her to know that she was indeed a Howard hence this same connection to the Duke of Norfolk! again ...
What a small world we live in eh?
historylovr
(1,557 posts)That's very cool! One connection is amazing enough, but two? Wow! You never know where you'll find cousins, I guess.
I read back through information on the Howards that I have. It's part of another genealogy, but it might be interesting to you. I'll PM that.
ebayfool
(3,411 posts)are you part of the Brewer group?
CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)I'm still researching this link and that surname does *ring* a bell for some reason!
Travis_0004
(5,417 posts)Im a distant relative of somebody famous, and the research was already done for me.
Can't remember if that is 31 or 33 generations back.
enlightenment
(8,830 posts)With assurance, back to the 13th century - speculatively, to the 10th century. Two branches for that . . . most go comfortably back to the 17th century.
WhiteTara
(29,693 posts)El Supremo
(20,365 posts)Everyone was part of the Reformation. And most in America since about The Great Migration.
struggle4progress
(118,236 posts)Y'all owe me mega-bucks
CountAllVotes
(20,867 posts)Some of these old pagan lines have been very carefully documented and yep, I'm from one of them.
DamnYankeeInHouston
(1,365 posts)One of my ancestors was an English king of Jerusalem - not a position with a lot of job security.
My English ancestors came to America in the 1600s, German and Swedish in the 1800s. My African ancestor was enslaved by the French and freed by the Swedish in the 1700s.
DURHAM D
(32,607 posts)He is one of my 27th Great grandfathers. I have pretty much lost interest in genealogy after I figured out I am related to EVERYBODY.
liberal N proud
(60,332 posts)My brother who has everything to do with me not serving in the military make it a point to tell me that I am the only male in the family since the Revolution who didn't serve in the military. But we evidently came from Ireland in the early 1700's.
My wife has hers back to the Mayflower time and is related to the Lee's.
Punkingal
(9,522 posts)Then your wife is related to me...cool! I am a Lee, the first American one in my family was Colonel Richard Henry Lee of Virginia. He was Robert E. Lee's grandfather, and my grandfather 8 times removed.
Boomerproud
(7,943 posts)My mom is 100% German and they kept excellent church records, as reported up-thread. My dad's family has been traced to Ireland in 1680 (I hope it's accurate). I always assumed they were from Scotland and were colonized to Antrim county but that is not what ancestry.com says. My DNA test from ancestry says I also have Greek/Italian and Iberian peninsula blood too, but I have no idea how. I have a great-great grandmother who was at least 1/2 Jewish and I thought I would have Eastern European roots (Russia or Poland) but I wonder if she wasn't from a Shephardic Jew family from Spain.
csziggy
(34,131 posts)The family might trace back to William the Conqueror who claimed his right to be ruler because of lineage back to Odin. When I was a kid my Dad made a chart for me to take to school showing that we went back to Odin. I've always been skeptical!
The link to William the Conqueror is through his youngest son Henry. Henry was never expected to be king - he had two older brothers - so he was married to a "Saxon princess." When Henry I claimed the throne, he set aside that wife, annulled the marriage and the children were declared bastards. One of the daughters by that marriage, Rohesa, was married off to Baron Henri de la Pomeroy, the grandson of Ralph de la Pomeroy who had been one of William's men during the invasion of England.
That version was what was published in "Pomeroy. Romance and history of Eltweed Pomeroy's ancestors in Normandy and England" that was published in 1909. Research since then places some doubts on Rohesa's lineage and even her marriage to Ralph de la Pomeroy. Her father may have been a Fitzroy, not Henry I.
At the very least my father's side of the family does trace back to Eltweed Pomeroy who sailed to the New World in 1630 and through him to the earlier Pomeroys. Long before Eltweed left England the Pomeroys had lost their titles and estates by backing the wrong side in one of the English civil wars. But the family still claims their lineage back to Baron Ralph (or Rudolphus) de la Pomeroy:
https://archive.org/stream/pomeroyromancehi00lcpome/pomeroyromancehi00lcpome_djvu.txt
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)One of the funny things, coming from migrant people who then immigrate to a new continent, and immediately light out for Appalachia.
Katashi_itto
(10,175 posts)Lots of Samurai.
Fathers side, we trace back to Bronze age Crete.
Marr
(20,317 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)JHB
(37,157 posts)Came over in the 1850s, and fought in the US Civil War.
intheflow
(28,443 posts)Never traced my father's side of the family. I know my paternal grandmother was first cousin to Pope John the 23rd, so obviously, a good Italian family going way back. My paternal grandfather came from Lebanon, but we lost track of the family in the 1980s when Hezbollah took over the Beqaa Valley and our Christian family was either killed or converted to Islam to save themselves. They'd been pretty hard-core Catholics
greatauntoftriplets
(175,729 posts)I still have relatives living in the same town in Luxembourg.
benld74
(9,901 posts)Father and mother
Mid 1700-s in France for certain, with earlier finds with no real validation
My mothers father was an orphan from Italy. No paperwork anywhere, sorry to say.
Ex Lurker
(3,811 posts)England and Scotland. After that it gets a bit sketchy. There are indications that it goes back to a Germanic tribal chieftain who raided the borders of the later Roman Empire, but can't prove it to a certainty.
braddy
(3,585 posts)Delmette
(522 posts)I have meet the cousins who are on the same farm.
Skol!
polly7
(20,582 posts)I was hoping to go very far back in Ireland as that is where the majority on all sides came from, but most of their earlier records were burned during or after the rebellions.
tularetom
(23,664 posts)One generation on my dads side. He died in 2003 but we've learned his mother was not who he thought she was.
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)My father's maternal line goes back to this guy, my 18th great grandfather.
Bennet Goodspeed
Born: about 1455 in Wingrave, Buckinghamshire, England
Died: 1503 in Wingrave, Buckinghamshire, England
Chan790
(20,176 posts)into the 1400s on my mother's mother's mother's side, 1930 on my mother's father's side.
Recursion
(56,582 posts)That line lucked out in the documentation department
It includes the knight who killed William II in a "hunting accident" and the knight who strangled the princes in the tower for Richard III.
elehhhhna
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http://home.kpn.nl/petermk/KarelDeGrote/Pakhet
(520 posts)most of the other branches haven't been able to go further back than 1290 +/-
TBF
(32,017 posts)others back to Prussia but more like 1800s.
Scurrilous
(38,687 posts)She traveled the country visiting various relations, got photos from everyone etc. etc. It was a major effort (my Dad alone had 10 siblings). In the end she traced around 11 generations since the original bunch left France for Canada (my paternal great grandfather bailed on Canada, moved to the US, and changed his name from Pierre to Peter). She compiled everything in books and sent copies to everyone. My Mom 's parents were straight off the boat from Ireland. That's pretty much as far as it goes on her side. She's not even sure what her fathers real name was (he died when she was young). @#$% Pikeys.
Dad's cousin. Nice lady. Brought me a bunch of knives when she visited.:
http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/atlanta/obituary.aspx?pid=170638139
edhopper
(33,491 posts)in Africa, about 3million years ago.
bhikkhu
(10,713 posts)...then it gets a little muddy
Thor_MN
(11,843 posts)All Norway/Sweden, and almost all farmers. One branch did have six children who were very successful, but I am a descendant of the 7th child who spent his life searching for gold in mica rich soil...
REP
(21,691 posts)sakabatou
(42,141 posts)I haven't gone past my grandfather.
Laura PourMeADrink
(42,770 posts)sakabatou
(42,141 posts)Supposedly, my ancestry goes to Jerusalem
me b zola
(19,053 posts)...However through a wonderful paternal 3rd cousin I have been able to trace back to the Mayflower (a rather straight line). This same cousin told me the history of my paternal grandmother's maiden name, even the exact person that originated the name in the 1700's.
I have so much to document for my grandchildren, I hope I get it done.
Rhiannon12866
(204,818 posts)I helped start it several years ago along with another DUer, though it's been awhile since I participated...
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=forum&id=1156
RepubliCON-Watch
(559 posts)Ancestors from Slavery and Ancestors from Spanish-imperialism of the Pilipinas
Skittles
(153,122 posts)see I'm sure any tree that stretches back far enough has a few, er, detours
Hiraeth
(4,805 posts)yep.
Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)We had always wondered why my Mom and Grandma had very dark features, I mean jet black hair, dark brown eyes and olive skin, when my Nana's father was supposed to be Scottish.
Had our DNA testing on Ancestry and they matched us up with a bunch load of cousins -- they were all either Puerto Rican or African American! :O Suddenly WHOLE bunch of stuff started to make sense!
UTUSN
(70,652 posts)Skittles
(153,122 posts)I live in the real world
applegrove
(118,501 posts)I can go as far back at the 1600s in both Germany and the USA.
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)back to the 1400s, another to the 1100s, but there's one we can't get back more than 100 years or so.
Marrah_G
(28,581 posts)That is on the English side, that I know of. Not sure if someone has traced it back in Britain.
NA side I am really not sure if anyone has been able to trace back my great grandmothers Blackfoot roots. She never really spoke about her past. All we know is West coast of Canada on some reservation. Sadly I don't even know her tribal name.
Kalidurga
(14,177 posts)But, I am pretty sure that I am not biologically related to several people in my family tree. Either way though they are family.
Trailrider1951
(3,413 posts)They came to colonial Virginia from England, Ireland and Scotland. A few of the records list men and their children, with no wives named. Family rumor has it that these women were Native Americans (probably Shawnee).
My father's family can be traced back to 1749, a single man from Switzerland, whose young wife and child died aboard the ship bringing them here. That young man remarried (another Swiss immigrant's daughter) and our family came from that union. The most unexpected fact that my research uncovered was the fact that all (that I can find) of my ancestors fought for the confederacy during the Civil War.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)because there were no other females so a little incest was required until people could wed daughters instead of mothers.....
Seriously, I was on a flight to Hawaii arranged by a military family member, tickets purchased by the same means as for a group of Mormon National Gaurd members on a major "vacation" in the Pacific islands at government expense, before they retired and would have to pay for their own vacations. So I was stuck on a flight between two of these warriors in Hawaiian shirts, one a professional genealogist. He shared his customers family tree with me, extremely proud of how he was able, using the Bible, to show his customer his family all the way back to Abraham without a missing generation. I was more scandalized by their blatantly obvious abuse of the system to organize a group Pacific pleasure jaunt at Utah's military expense. Obviously, the Utah National Guard was corrupted by these high officers. Maybe that is a lot easier to do when you begin with magical reasoning for reality.
Kaleva
(36,259 posts)madokie
(51,076 posts)Her several times over grand father signed the constitution. A Mr. Morris. Sorry I don't remember his first name right at the moment.
My family goes back to the early 1700's on my dads side and early 1800's on my mothers side. They got back to one of my grandfathers on Moms side was a pirate on the high seas and couldn't get anywhere further back from there.
My grand father on Dads side fought in the civil war.
Spider Jerusalem
(21,786 posts)Some English parish records go back to 1538, but there was a lot of disruption around the time of the English Civil War; other lines go back further (one to Charlemagne et al); the earliest being Arnulf, bishop of Metz, born 582.
Orrex
(63,172 posts)Beyond that it's relatively murky.
B Calm
(28,762 posts)originally were from Holland and grandmother's family were from France.
Rhythm
(5,435 posts)GreenEyedLefty
(2,073 posts)My great grandparents on my mom's side were immigrants, from Italy and Finland. They arrived around the turn of the 20th century and settled in Michigan's Upper Peninsula. On my father's side, they came from England and Canada.
bluedigger
(17,086 posts)As far as I know, which is kind of ironic, as I have spent most of my working adult life as an archaeologist.
I did research my last name (Scottish) and found I am the descendant of a shipwrecked 11th C. viking prince in northern Scotland.
Or so the story goes.
CTyankee
(63,893 posts)Buns_of_Fire
(17,158 posts)They immigrated, fought in the revolution, begat a couple of generations, fought in the Civil War (my mother's family had a hard time getting along with people, apparently), dabbled in moonshine, and now spend their time looking for someone else to fight.
I can only get my father's family to go back to the mid-1800's. I think they just sort of appeared one day and were immediately run out of town.
I finally came to the conclusion that there were probably no long-lost lordships, peerages, castles, or money involved, so my interest cooled down a bit.
I've thought about doing that thing where you spit in a cup and they trace your DNA ancestry back ( https://www.23andme.com/ ), but I'm afraid I'll spend $199 on it only to find out that my bloodline has a tendency to self-combust.
AngryAmish
(25,704 posts)And made the Wildings pay for it.
csziggy
(34,131 posts)Since my family research pretty much is done except for long distant ancestors I sometimes do genealogy for friends just to get a chance to look at records less than 300 years old.
One of my mother's caretakers was interested so I had write down what she knew about her family. She knew parents and grandparents on her mother's side but not much about her father's family. I took that information and traced his family back to South Carolina where they were freed after the Civil War. One of her lines was more exciting - they were freed in the 1840s and I managed to trace them to that point. She was thrilled.
Some friends knew little about their families and now that they are having their first grandchild they are interested. I looked up what they gave me and have traced their lines back, some to when they first came over. One of the more exciting men in the lineage was a blacksmith and helped make the chain that was put across the Hudson to block the British from sailing up the river (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hudson_River_Chain).
It doesn't take much to get started these days, parents and grandparents are a good first step.
shanti
(21,675 posts)and (to the young'ns mostly) best get started documenting questions to parents and grandparents EARLY, or you may never have a chance to....ask me how i know.
csziggy
(34,131 posts)Aside from the genealogical info you can collect, it's also great to set up a camera and record the memories of the older family members.
Mom collected letters and stories from her aunts and uncles and her great aunts and uncles, partly for genealogy and partly to save the family histories. She's lucky - her family tends to live a very long time. Mom just had her 95th birthday and most of her relatives lived that long, too. So there stories going back to when her great grandparents moved to Arkansas before the Civil War and how her widowed great grandmother moved back to Alabama to live with her father after the war, taking her five surviving children with her.
My father's mother wrote mini biographies of every family member she had known personally and those she could gather stories about from her older relatives. Some of her stories about the family history have helped historians working on local history in various places.
I'm trying to get more of our family stories and photographs online so they will be available for people to see. My problem is that I have too much. I don't know if I will live long enough to get it done!
Lots of local historical associations do video work and will do the recording for families so long as they get to keep a copy for their archives.
lumberjack_jeff
(33,224 posts)Hell Hath No Fury
(16,327 posts)to 1300s Sweden -- the family stayed in the same tiny mountain town until the first American immigrant in 1900. I am related to pretty much everyone who lives there.
On my Mom's side, we can trace back to Jamestown and then back to England before that.
Pretty cool stuff when you really start digging!
closeupready
(29,503 posts)to the late 19th Century - they were poor, starving European farmers. Read "The Emigrants" for a taste of what life was like for them. So many people emigrated, in fact, that the little village they inhabited then, it subsequently disappeared, becoming a ghost town, lol.
Other branches of my family have been traced only back to the 18th Century.
hunter
(38,304 posts)Who'd you say is looking for 'em?
historylovr
(1,557 posts)Some I can't get past the 1800s. A couple go back to Charles Martel.
Algernon Moncrieff
(5,781 posts)That said, I take anything >5 generations back with a grain of salt.
AwakeAtLast
(14,124 posts)Right in the thick of the religious upheaval going on with Henry VIII and his daughters. My ancestor's name is on a plaque in a church because he and some others separated from the church because of their beliefs. They were eventually allowed to secure passage to the "New World" rather than be hanged or beheaded. Someone must have been in a good mood.
bikebloke
(5,260 posts)That's following generation to generation along the paternal line. Then using the history books and Y-DNA back to 900 in Normandie.
Califonz
(465 posts)I'm related to Daniel Boone, whose reliably documented ancestry reaches back to 1500s England.
But then almost everyone is distantly related to Charlemagne and Attila the Hun, so I've read.
Generic Brad
(14,272 posts)I have no interest in learning where I came from. I am here now and that is good enough for me.
laundry_queen
(8,646 posts)On my dad's side, 1870's is the earliest, as they were Ukrainians and lived in an area that switched countries several times in a short period of time. Not sure what happened to the records.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)I recommend checking out Ancestry.com - I got a lot done during a free trial. Now after a year or so I think I'll sign up to use their family tree program.
I'm not so dedicated but someone else in my family line that I don't know had traced one side back to the 1400s. So they connected that to my tree, or somehow I did that, and all that work was done for me.
It's addictive and fun. The World Explorer part of Ancestry.com includes other countries too.
Kaleva
(36,259 posts)flamingdem
(39,308 posts)people are paid to chat and explain how things work.
PufPuf23
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rigorous relatives. Most of my relatives for the past 4 or 5 generations are north coast California.
Cornelius Vanderbilt was a great great great grandfather. My great great aunt had a 50th wedding anniversary book for Cornelius Vanderbilt given to the relatives that attended and brought gifts.
One of Vanderbilt's grand daughters married my Dutch great great grandfather from an old Dutch NYC family. He came to San Francisco in the late 1850s and settled in Oakland. He and his son, my great grandfather, are buried in the Mountain View Cemetery in Oakland/Piedmont.
Three of my ancestors came from Ireland. A great great grandfather and grandmother came from Ireland to Virginia in the 1840s and had children in Virginia (including a great grandmother) and Missouri, then the family moved to Siskiyou county (then Klamath county) California beginning in 1858. My great great grandmother is the oldest woman buried in the Forks of Salmon, CA cemetery. She came as a single woman from Ireland to Virginia to Missouri and to remote California, already a widow and minus one son.
My Irish great grandfather (of my surname) sold a family store in County Down to finance a family move to California in the 1870s but abandoned his family after he alone reached California. My grandfather came to California looking for his father when he was 18 and stayed. He found his father and there was one studio picture taken of them together in the late 1880s. I visited the family in County Down back in 1981. They still had the family farm though under a different surname as a daughter had married the neighbor. There was still the old slate roof home where my grandfather and great grandfather were born but 35 years ago it was not used other than for storage and history. My father did not even know his own grandfather preceded his own father, my grandfather, to the Klamath and Salmon River area. However, he was born when his father was 44 and I was born when my Dad was 43 and his father deceased, so I never met that grandfather. I found my surname great grandfather's grave in Yreka, CA.
I had French great great grandparents that came to California also in 1858 that had children born in France and in California. I have visited members of that family in Pau (the region where they were from, there was some Basque genes too) and Paris area and they visited me in return in California. The connections were made because my grandmother's cousin (who was her same age) gave me and my Mom's cousin separately a notated map he compiled when he remained in France post-WWI of family history.
I have an English maternal great grandfather who arrived in NYC in 1860s and moved to mining camps in Colorado and then California where he logged redwoods, lost a leg, and began a success liquor business to the logging and mining camps and married one of the French relatives (about 30 years his junior who remarried and bore more children with a 2nd husband) that begat my maternal grandmother. I know very little about this man.
My Swedish great grandfather jumped ship in San Francisco in 1869 and went to the then Klamath county that is part of Humboldt county now. I have newspaper clippings and old family photos of two trips he took circa 1905 and 1915 to Sweden to encourage other Swedish immigration. He took produce, gold, and redwood and Douglas-fir lumber. I had an elderly 2nd cousin visit that part of the family in Sweden back in the 1990s and she gave me copies of their letters and gave me photos of Sweden. They were churchmen and farmers.
I think I have a lot to work with in formal genetic research. I am a mutt with roots deep in north coast California and before that western Europe.
shanti
(21,675 posts)my family name goes back to a dorset, england, 1700's, but they didn't arrive in the u.s (via canada) until around 1900. but all of my other ancestors were here before then, many from the early settlement of the u.s., 1600's. the strongest well-researched line was part of the original dutch east indies company in new amsterdam. lots of ancestors with roots in new york. had the very common irish potato famine ancestors, a strong french waldensian line back to the 1700's too, as well as a germanna colony ancestral line from virginia.
unless you're from nobility/royalty, i think it's kind of difficult to get any reliable info past the 14-1500's. when i first got on ancestry.com, i was following all kinds of crazy leads, that went back to charlemagne, syria, etc. it was wild! i deleted most of that though, just not verifiable.
genealogy is just sooooo interesting to me, and yes, i have discovered secrets that my family probably preferred to be left unknown.
Turbineguy
(37,295 posts)No numbers left out.
Bjornsdotter
(6,123 posts)...when all of the records were destroyed.
Interesting facts...in the 1860's I had a relative who was banned by the church, apparently he often came to the service drunk. I also had a relative who was drawn and quartered by both the Swedish King and the Danish King ( apparently the only thing they could agree on) for being a spy for both sides.
gladium et scutum
(806 posts)extends to 10th century Iceland
a la izquierda
(11,791 posts)it is virtually impossible to trace your roots with any reliability before the Renaissance. People did not use last names with any regularity.
That said, I get no further than the late 19th century with my family. For my husband, I've traced his family back to the 1540s (but his family had noble lines).
nolabear
(41,937 posts)I am reported to have Choctaw ancestry and in fact there is an untraceable line right at that point. Otherwise it's intriguing. We tap into Welsh and Scottish royalty at some point and then there are scrupulous records.
My favorite outcomes are that on my paternal grandfather's side the original American immigrant was "George the Jacobite" who was captured by the British during that uprising and shipped to America, presumably to get rid of him. He was only fourteen so is thought to have been the servant of a soldier rather than a fighter. And there's Henry Owings, who was a Tory. Given that it's likely that other relatives were part of the secession and Confederacy, we apparently have a fine habit of fighting for the losing side.
Don't tell Hillary.
DawgHouse
(4,019 posts)a few only back to the mid 1800's. It's my passionate hobby and I enjoy it very much.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)I trace all my lines as far back as they go. If you can believe what is on the internet (and the law says it must be true to be on the internet - I am pretty sure anyway. I saw a quote the other day "If it is on the internet it must be true" Mark Twain) then some of my Peck lines go back to Richard Peck 1454.
Most other lines do not go back before 1600. Or maybe one generation before 1600, like Joseph Loomis 1590. Some, my shortest line only goes back to 1846. For six of my 16 great great grandparents, I do NOT know their parents names, and for two others I only go back one generation beyond that. Those are ALL on my mom's side, except one. I don't have much hope of finding much more, although something might be available on the two Germans if somebody could figure out their home village. In another 100 years the Mormons might have all their German records computerized which may do wonders.
Then, because I am a genealogy nut, having traced all my lines as far back as I can - I also trace forward as much as I can. As such, I have probably helped a score of other researchers (as they have helped me as well) Sometimes people are descended from John X or Mary X who is in my database, but they do not have the ancestry of this person - and I do, not only one generation, but hundreds of their ancestors.
Truly I wish I had time to do more, because there is even more I could find. A lot more. I really should get back to it.
Kaleva
(36,259 posts)As you can see by the responses in the thread, some have been able to trace back branches well over a thousand years back while other branches of their tree end in the early 1900's or in the 1800's.
All my branches end in the mid 1700's because all branches of my family tree came from the Kainuu region of Finland.
hfojvt
(37,573 posts)My ancestors are German (from many places, most seem to be around the Rhine and the Swiss are sort of in that same culture.) Switzerland, Ireland, England, Scotland, French Hugeunot, and perhaps some Dutch. But I did have a boss in Wisconsin who was pure Norwegian, despite being a 3rd generation American.
pfitz59
(10,309 posts)Her Dingle Peninsula family lives on the same farm that's been in the family forever. The old stone house is now a barn. My father traces is history at least as far back as William the Conquerer
Quantess
(27,630 posts)"illegitimate" children were covered up, lied about, secretly adopted, etc. Birth control was harder to come by, and women also got raped sometimes, and gave birth to products of rape. Families covered this up.
You're putting too much faith in these old records that go back several hundred years. Sorry for spoiling your fun.
Kaleva
(36,259 posts)as a biological parent
kdmorris
(5,649 posts)it's the history of your family....
ladyVet
(1,587 posts)On my father's side, it's back to around 1240. On my mother's side, I think around 1400. Both families have been in America since the early 1600s, and longer than that for the Native American relatives.
StevieM
(10,500 posts)so far.
FYI, you have a misplaced homonym in your post. You wrote "It cannot go any further as the church were all the records..." You meant to say "the church where all the records."
I hope it doesn't sound obnoxious that I pointed it out. I just wanted to give you a heads up, in case you wanted to edit your post.
JackInGreen
(2,975 posts)"Transported"
hrmjustin
(71,265 posts)dflprincess
(28,072 posts)and I'll bet you can come up with the name of the boat they were on.
What makes it interesting is that, when you have family that was here that early, is you find all sorts of last names in the family tree that you recognize from history. I, however, am not directly descended from anyone that notable but I have all sorts of distant cousins and a couple great-grand uncles who did some impressive things.
The best thing I found was a citation one of my great (x10 or so) grandfathers received for "answering the call at Lexington on April 19, 1775".
I have found the Irish line - which makes up most of me (wonder what my Puritan ancestors would think of that?) nearly impossible to trace past the last generation that was in Ireland (around the time of the Famine).
Trillo
(9,154 posts)No, really. Why care about anyone who is dead? Best forgotten and move on.
"Spare the rod, spoil the child"? How about, "Beat me too many times, fuck you."
So Far From Heaven
(354 posts)Mendocino
(7,482 posts)just too bad that some can't appreciate that others may like it.
CTyankee
(63,893 posts)We can talk about our experience in settling here in America!