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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsArizona Secretary of State Confirms Election Fraud
http://usuncut.com/politics/arizona-election-fraud-primary/
they just need to figure out what they're going to do.
Javaman
(62,521 posts)I've seen election fraud cases come and go.
usually some no name flunky gets fired.
PatrynXX
(5,668 posts)not always. should be interesting...
CoffeeCat
(24,411 posts)We see clear evidence that the power structure in modern-day US politics is comprised of both Republicans and Democrats who are in bed with the corporations. They're fiercely gripping that power with their collective talons.
Who benefitted from what happened in Arizona? I think it's important to at least discuss that Hillary Clinton was the biggest benefactor. More Bernie voters were disenfranchised, and it appears that Independents who switched to Democratic were hit the hardest. Furthermore, the drastic reduction in polling locations in Maricopa County definitely hit Bernie the hardest. Arizona State University is located in Tempe and is the largest university in the country.
Although these were Republican players Hillary benefitted. At the very least, this needs to be acknowledged and part of the discussion.
It's not extraordinary to ponder collusion here. She benefitted, not the Republicans. In fact, the whole theory that this was done as a "trial run" to help Republicans is ludicrous, in my opinion. This situation alerted everyone to a problem. The problem is being investigated. Changes will most likely be made. People will be on high alert during the GE. No....this benefitted Hillary Clinton.
The media also called the race for her with a very small percentage of the vote in. They did this while people were standing in line.
We don't need to have rock-solid proof to understand that our Democratic primary elections and caucus have been a collective shit storm. All of the chaos, dirty games, disenfranchisement, voter suppression and look at the fiasco that happened in my own state of Iowa.
In 2008, our Iowa caucuses had record attendance. This year--from top to bottom the entire process has been a hell hole. You had rampant cheating in so many locations. Some were caught on videotape. The caucus ended with a .2 margin between Clinton and Sanders. Iowans were finding errors. The head of the Iowa Democratic Party, Andy McGuire is a longtime Clinton supporter (she has the license plate that says "HRC2016" . She wouldn't even CONSIDER an examination of the caucus results, despite Iowans screaming that they were finding errors in the official counts--that were visible in a PDF on the Iowa Democratic Party (IDP) website.
It wasn't until the Des Moines Register wrote a scathing article, "Something Smells in the Iowa Democratic Caucuses" that McGuire was forced to relent and change a few errors. By Sunday, the PDF that was visible on the front page of the Iowa Democratic Party website had been removed. It was no longer visible. This means--no way for Iowans to find additional errors. This was only five days after the Iowa Caucuses!!!! Iowans were just learning that "something smelled" and that problems existed. But there would be no way for Iowans to check the official IDP results with their own precinct results---because the PDF that listed all officially reported precinct results---was gone.
This was the first state primary. My state. You tell me that this is nothing. All a big misunderstanding. A bunch of bad coincidences. You tell me that there is no proof and to just move along. But funny...all of these misunderstandings/coincindences/mishaps and ooopies benefitted Clinton.
How many states, and how many times, do we have to go through this? The common denominator here is the Clinton camp. Never, in the history of our Democratic primaries have we seen so much malfeasance, outright cheating, voter suppression, and unfortunate "coincidences"--all that benefit Hillary Clinton's campaign.
I think it's time to start asking some serious questions about what in the hell is going on!
IdaBriggs
(10,559 posts)Either accidentally or on purpose, a hack was made to the voter database. Accidentally seems unlikely as changes were made near randomly and across large swathes of the population.
If "on purpose", the perpetrators stupidly got greedy and/or didn't anticipate the large voter turnout.
Bonus: social media and cell phones were able to quickly create a community of pissed off disenfranchised voters.
Well done, Arizona! That is going to be a topic of discussion at the next convention of Secretaries of State!
dchill
(38,474 posts)To have a redux of the primary?
Cryptoad
(8,254 posts)in Nov when Trump wins AZ by 80 pts
FourScore
(9,704 posts)You are the first Hillary supporter I have seen here on DU show any kind of concern for this. Thank you.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Here's just one of my own chime in's:
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1389146
This wasn't just about disenfranchising voters for the Democratic Primary for POTUS. There was likely measures and proposals on those ballots that didn't get the votes they would have gotten. There's likely Judicial runs, state legislature runs, possibly even primaries for US house seats? I've never been to a Primary where the only thing on the ballot was the presidential race.
FourScore
(9,704 posts)mwrguy
(3,245 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)I guess that's just part of different states doing it differently.
Seems like a huge waste of resources and opportunity to have a ballot with just a single thing on it.
I know the Primary in Texas, mine was 5 pages of choices/selections to make.
Republicans scamming the system of American democracy, as usual.
Orrex
(63,203 posts)I hadn't thought of it like that, but I have to say that it sounds chillingly feasible.
agracie
(950 posts)ToxMarz
(2,166 posts)There would probably not be an orchestrated attempt to hack the primaries, it would matter much in the whole schem of things, but they are practicing what they can get away with in November
Republican Handbook:
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)saturnsring
(1,832 posts)chervilant
(8,267 posts)that this malfeasance was an overstep and a miscalculation. We, the vast Hoi Polloi, are supposed to be ignorant, and easily manipulated by the corporate megalomaniacs--those who've usurped our media, our politics AND our global economy.
Our species' hedonism is writ large on those who believe that money and power are their raison d'êtres.
Theirs' will be a pyrrhic victory, because We the PEOPLE are NOT ignorant. Through social media, and the internet in general, we've grown increasingly aware of their lying, their propaganda, AND their relentless assault on our freedoms.
At this point, anyone who supports Hi11ary should recognize that Bernie Sanders is the touchstone for our fervid determination to reclaim our Party AND our democracy.
Whoever is behind this fiasco in Arizona must be sorely disappointed...
(I emphasize "their," "those," and "whoever" in order to reclaim our awareness that these sociopaths exist, and are NOT some figment of a "conspiracy theory."
NJCher
(35,658 posts)I'm reading on a computer with the sound disabled, so I couldn't get the content of the clip in the OP.
I can't wait to get to my own computer and hear this!!
Cher
p.s. I loved what you said. You are right on point.
chervilant
(8,267 posts)riderinthestorm
(23,272 posts)Is it a stylized kitty?
SammyWinstonJack
(44,130 posts)Raster
(20,998 posts)...the population is NOT! Arizona is more purple than red or blue, and tends to be turning more to the blue side.
The Republican (Teapublican, Theopublican, CraCrapublican) powers want Arizona to stay as red as possible. They don't want any "undersirable" (Latinos, Millenials, LGBTQ) to gain any kind of power in this state.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)hopemountain
(3,919 posts)and the anonymous investigation link and the washington post, the story of fraud has expanded to other states - including new york, california, oregon, etc - other primary states.
Duckfan
(1,268 posts)certainot
(9,090 posts)maybe the primary was supposed to be over and the tricks they set in motion they set in motion too soon?
DhhD
(4,695 posts)with my county elections officer after every election.
The SoS needs to have in place an online statement that is printable showing the date of the confirmation of your registration. These confirmation dates would be kept in your PC saved Downloads Folder too.
By the way, I believe that telling someone they must fill out a provisional ballot when they are already registered is telling that person to resign their registration in order to remove their vote at the siting election. If I were an election official at a voting room, I would be afraid to ask someone already registered to vote to resign their right to vote at that election, by accepting and signing a provisional ballot. To me, that is against the Constitution, well past the Voting Rights Act. Section 5 then, is actually sanctioned by the Constitution in my reading. This played out in Arizona big time last week. And it seems to be happening in other states as well.
certainot
(9,090 posts)same in other states
same happened to me in CO a few years back but i caught it
Hugin
(33,135 posts)This was no "Accident"... Mark my words. This was practice or a test, if you will.
There have been some shady results in several Western States over the last couple of elections. (It angers me how little has been done to find and bring the perps to justice or correct the outcomes to the Intent of the Voters. )
It staggers my mind how furious the, for the lack of a better term, Republicans are going to be in November. When not only does President Obama complete two successful terms in office, but, is succeeded by either Hillary Clinton (a woman) or Bernie Sanders (a "socialist" . The clown heads are going to pop like bubbles that day. I look forward to it.
But, first, we need to clearly understand that every conceivable means to thwart a fair and transparent election are going to be pulled out by the Republican Establishment, Racists, Religiously Insane, and other unfit-to-lead members of the opposition party.
Be vigilant!
Don't take bullshit!
Exercise your rights!
But, most of all...
VOTE!
beac
(9,992 posts)I hate thinking about all they learned about how to do it better, and undetectably, in the GE.
rladdi
(581 posts)by the GOP. Why do you think M. McConnell is not holding a nomination for Pres. Obama nominee?
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Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)valerief
(53,235 posts)LiberalLovinLug
(14,173 posts)Just wondering.
It still astounds me that the USA actually allows private corporations to build hackable voting computers to decide elections.
Paper and pens and boxes. There is, and was, no need for building a better voter trap.
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)To set up hacks. HAVA was a scam.
Merryland
(1,134 posts)I'd watched as much as I could of those hearings & didn't register these comments.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)Don't get me wrong, I'll go vote, but I am feeling more and more that actually voting is a useless exercise in optimism. From gerrymandering, to voter suppression, to the purging of voter rolls, to the debacle in AZ, to electronic voting machines whose code is secret (because it is a 'trade secret') and that simply find it too difficult to provide an actual paper record to allow any sort of verification that votes are registered properly, and on and on and on.
The fix is in, the USA as my generation knew it is toast and it doesn't make a damn bit of difference who you vote for. The experiment in 'representative democracy' is dying, the 1% are working to turn the US (and the rest of the world) back to feudalism, and there is not a damn thing we can do about it. The 1% toss us the occasional Bernie Sanders or Donald Trump, but it is nothing more than bread and circuses. The TPP will get signed and corporations and climate change will do the rest.
Sorry if I sound a bit cynical, but having a grumpy morning.
Hugin
(33,135 posts)NGU!
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,000 posts)The more votes against the fraudsters, the harder it is to cover up and the more likely they will make mistakes.
Stonepounder
(4,033 posts)...then the winner(s) have absolutely no incentive to push for an investigation and the loser doesn't usually have the clout to push for it. Take a look at the last election for Governor in Ky. The election results made absolutely no sense, what with down ballot Democratic candidates getting more votes than the Democratic Gov candidate. Also, exit polls (which are normally extremely reliable) were off by a huge margin. And even though the newspapers screamed about it, and statisticians said, basically, "No fu**ing way!", no one in Frankfort was the least bit interested in looking more closely.
aggiesal
(8,911 posts)In San Diego County, the ROV required that the candidate that challenged the
vote, pay up front, $1 per vote. Since we already had the ballots counted, we
knew exactly how many ballots needed recounting. This would run in the
$100,000's for a candidate to challenge the vote. If you don't have it, tough luck,
unless it was triggered automatically.
Riverside County on the other hand only charged about 15 cents per ballot
for a candidate to challenge. That's an 85% discount on the San Diego County rate.
No standards.
Just the wim of the ROV.
Bernardo de La Paz
(49,000 posts)AgerolanAmerican
(1,000 posts)when I vote Bernie I will push the buttons in the booth with my middle fingers
daleanime
(17,796 posts)chapdrum
(930 posts)than it is pragmatism.
Under the oligarchy, voting could also be considered a crumb tossed to us.
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)Beartracks
(12,809 posts)My wristwatch has a SUM function, fer crissakes. No need for secret code to add up friggin votes.
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brett_jv
(1,245 posts)Sure, your watch can endlessly calculate a sequence of '1+1+1+1...etc', but you see, THAT ... is not 'how we do it' in our proprietary code!
Obviously you aren't capable of understanding how complex the REAL counting ... has to be. It requires TEAMS of highly trained PhD's in calculus, veteran code developers, and secret patents, and all kinda shit.
Don't even PRETEND you understand how COMPLICATED it REALLY IS to 'add up the votes'. Your piddly little watch would EXPLODE if it had to do what these highly sophisticated algorithms actually DO!!!11!!!
Beartracks
(12,809 posts)... explode, too. Apparently.
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bemildred
(90,061 posts)2naSalit
(86,572 posts)Helen Borg
(3,963 posts)And never: somebody is gonna go to jail this time.
NJCher
(35,658 posts)It is the biggest crime ever, yet no one ever is punished for it and the crook always gets in.
Cher
d_legendary1
(2,586 posts)Now who is going to jail for fucking it up? Hopefully the DOJ was listening.
saidsimplesimon
(7,888 posts)investigating the "damn email scandal". I think I heard a media talking head say 187 investigators?
SCOTUS gutted our voting rights in Arizona. Now Republicans have their Koch funded take over of the Legislature and establishing Alec voter suppression rules.
awake
(3,226 posts)My biggest grip of the last 7 years is that starting with the feckless Eric Holder the DOJ has not done an all out war on illegal voter suppression and vote manipulation. If we could start putting in jail not just the crooked Wall-street Banksters but the political hackers who have been screwing with our votes since 1999 and before, then we could start taking our government back to the people. My concern is that the top players in both parties want to keep thing they way they are, believing that they know what is best, more of the same "nothing to see here move along" and "do not worry we have this"
Dont call me Shirley
(10,998 posts)LisaM
(27,803 posts)Unfortunately, it's a state by state battle with a lot of obstacles being constantly flung in the way. Eviscerating the Voting Rights Act was a huge issue, obviously, and there was a reason Arizona had been on a watch list. IIRC, didn't Rehnquist or someone get their political start suppressing voting rights in Arizona? (would have to look that up to confirm my facts).
There are many ways to suppress voting and making it inconvenient is near the top (remember Ohio in 2004 and the disproportionately longer lines in urban areas like Cincinnati compared to affluent white areas?) Others are making it harder to register, gerrymandering, intimidation, and so on. Without even speaking to voting registrations being flipped (I'm not discounting that as an issue, too) it was really easy to disenfranchise voters in Arizona simply by slashing the number of polling sites. They'd better take a hard look at that before the November election.
But I think saying Eric Holder was feckless and not working on this is dead wrong.
http://www.thenation.com/article/eric-holders-voting-rights-legacy/
mrdmk
(2,943 posts)Yes the GW Bush administration made a shambles out of government agencies in charge of regulation. People know this and it is call blowback. Another reason why Jeb "the smart one" Bush is now looking for something else to do other than run for president.
LisaM
(27,803 posts)And it's complicated because it's a moving target.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Wow, is she the perp? She sure placed a lot of distance between herself and even common knowledge about the field she is supposedly in charge of, administration of elections.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)ananda
(28,858 posts)But it was a complicated process and my rep
is a trog put into office by Tom Delay when
my district was gerrymandered out to Katy, TX.
Starry Messenger
(32,342 posts)Every little bit helps. If we could get millions of names, the media might take note.
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)Or registering people who never vote and then voting by mail for them?
safeinOhio
(32,674 posts)Showed their picture ID.
SCVDem
(5,103 posts)Messing with our most cherished and important institution needs a quick death penalty.
No ifs and or buts!
Yes, it's that important!
turbinetree
(24,695 posts)being perpetuated by basically the majority legislative body in this state--------------what are they going to do.....................
there should be indictments
To the voters in Arizona we have your back..................
http://www.snagfilms.com/films/title/hacking_democracy
Honk---------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
unapatriciated
(5,390 posts)It is long but worth it. There were so many mistakes an anomalies in that election, it boggles the mind how they thought they would get away with it.
I sent yesterday morning watching it in full. Would love to see a link for what happened after they adjourned and went to the house.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1038&pid=3171
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)No one will be prosecuted and the election will not be done over. Maybe a few resignations, that's it.
Hope I'm wrong.
Vinca
(50,269 posts)Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)in speaking reminded me of someone who is experiencing or has experienced a stroke. Very slow to respond to the questions and also to speak.
Bad Dog
(2,025 posts)Just giving the impression that you're doing something.
chknltl
(10,558 posts)NowSam
(1,252 posts)for those who were robbed their right to vote. All affected voters should have a new day to cast their ballots. That would be justice. If it changes the outcome, well, that is the way it goes.
BernieforPres2016
(3,017 posts)and showing no signs of going away. John Oliver did a piece on the various GOP voter ID tactics to suppress voter participation that have been going on at a state level a few weeks ago (I only saw it last night). Hopefully these are signs that this bullshit has run its course, people are going to be watching it like a hawk and the pendulum is about to start swinging back in the other direction.
Here's a link to John Oliver's video on Voter ID for those who haven't seen it. It is entertaining as well as illuminating, as Oliver always is:
aggiesal
(8,911 posts)The election officials did get their budget cut thanks to Gov Ducey's budget, but guess who was the first person to say this was inexcusable. But the election dept was re-budgeted close to 90%. During general elections there are 200+ polling locations.
This is probably very clever voter suppression. The polling in south Phoenix will not effect Cruz vs Trump or so, but if voters think 3-5 hr wait during a primary election is bad, they won't even show up during general elections for fear that they will wait even longer. In a sad sick way, I'm constantly impressed by the GOP clever voter suppression tactics.
Fountain Hills (home of Joe Arpiao) had around 6000 voters per polling location, but west and southwest valley had 4x-5x times voters per polling location. So some affluent neighborhoods had just as bad voters/polling ratio but the fact is that the higher income neighborhoods tend to use mail in voting far more than lesser / lower income areas. So the voters per polling might be just as bad but realistically a ton of those voters never stood in line, they mailed in the ballots. Therefore it only looks equal on paper but is no where near the same issue as far as wait times and lines out the door and down the street.
Here are the Voters to Polling ratios in some AZ counties:
"Total "Number of
Eligible Polling Average
Voters" Locations" Voters/Polls"
Maricopa 1,250,000 60 20,833.33
Pima 300,000 130 2,307.69
Cochise 45,952 18 2,552.89
Coconino 45,385 26 1,745.58
Yuma 44,287 7 6,326.71
Navajo 42,264 38 1,112.21
Apache 34,635 41 844.76
Gila 23,812 20 1,190.60
Santa Cruz 15,722 11 1,429.27
Graham 13,073 8 1,634.13
Pinal 98,194 82 1,197.49
Yavapai 82,003 29 2,827.69
La Paz 5,592 8 699.00
Greenlee 3,401 3 1133.67
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* Does anyone know how to make this table look readable? *
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Raster
(20,998 posts)aggiesal
(8,911 posts)For future reference of course.
Nice job.
Raster
(20,998 posts)1. Transferred the data to Excel for formatting;
2. Printed to PDF;
3. Converted to jpeg;
5. Used IMGUR to upload to WEB.
AND I MIGHT ADD: Thank you for posting the original data. Over the next day or so, I am going to add: (1) How many ballots were actually cast; and (2) How many received for Sanders and Clinton.
LiberalFighter
(50,897 posts)To get the voter to voting location ratio. If they don't have it online. Make an official request. If they refuse or delay do an end round by going through a Democratic official who might be able to get access.
Write letters to the newspapers asking why the election board is hiding the data if it is not easily available.
c-ville rook
(45 posts)By one or million votes it will not matter. Thank you Electoral College.
So, who benefits when Democrats, almost exclusive, were left out of the Democratic primary? It ain't a Republican.
Just my thought.
nadinbrzezinski
(154,021 posts)will they now apologize?
And this is why I say we have pretend elections.
chapdrum
(930 posts)the U.S. as we've know it is over for anyone not intent on plunder and pillage.
mrdmk
(2,943 posts)Another poster into the cyber ignore black hole.
To answer your question, doubtful!
cer7711
(502 posts)Election monitoring needed . . . HERE!
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)cer7711
(502 posts)Thank you for educating me; I missed this. Simply appalling!
http://www.thenation.com/article/failing-electoral-standards/
SusanCalvin
(6,592 posts)I looked for confirmation the other day and couldn't find it at that time. Even though it's 2005, might you consider making this an OP? I don't think things have gotten any better.
babydollhead
(2,231 posts)Response to OxQQme (Original post)
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AllyCat
(16,180 posts)It's been weeks and hey still aren't counted? Bull.
kadaholo
(304 posts)This is UNBELIEVABLE! After reading an article at Anonymous on the antics in Arizona, I noticed a comment attached to the article that stated there are widespread reports of voter registration manipulation in PA and NY.
See article: Anonymous Investigate Arizona Election Fraud, Sanders Was Hacked
Link: http://www.anonews.co/anonymous-sanders-hack/
Since I live in PA and am a Bernie supporter, I decided to confirm my registration immediately.
I checked the VotesPA website and, sure enough, voter registration information on both my husband and me is not available!!! We have been registered Democrats and voting at this location since 1987 and 1994 respectively.
This is the message that came up for both of us: "No Voter Registration information could be found for the data provided. Either search again using different data or contact your County Voter Registration Office."
Calling tomorrow and surprise (not), we are Bernie supporters!!! INCREDIBLE!!! Just coincidence in state after state???? I think not!!!
Seems like those two lapses in the firewall (both reported by the Sanders Campaign) are benefitting only one of our two Democratic candidates...
HIGHEST PRIORITY!!! PLEASE TELL EVERYONE WHO IS STILL WAITING TO VOTE IN PRIMARIES TO CHECK THEIR REGISTRATION...ESPECIALLY FRIENDS IN NY AND PA!!!
hopemountain
(3,919 posts)screenshot the verification. i entered my full (including middle name) because that is how i registered and got the same message your received. turns out the data base had me listed according to my first and last names only.
thank you for your post.
pansypoo53219
(20,974 posts)bonniebgood
(940 posts)than abortions clinics. Especially TX and AZ.