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pantsonfire

(1,306 posts)
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:12 PM Apr 2016

Donald Trump and Barry Goldwater.....and the 1964 LBJ landslide victory.

Both candidates use/d racist and dangerous rhetoric, and in the presidential 1964 election Goldwater was phenomenally crushed (map below).

Goldwater's Republican convention acceptance speech:
"I would remind you that extremism in the defense of liberty is no vice. And let me remind you also that moderation in the pursuit of justice is no virtue."

Goldwater was painted as a dangerous figure by the Johnson campaign, which countered Goldwater's slogan "In your heart, you know he's right" with the lines "In your guts, you know he's nuts", and "In your heart, you know he might" (that is, he might actually use nuclear weapons as opposed to using only deterrence).

In a May 1964 speech, Goldwater suggested that nuclear weapons should be treated more like conventional weapons and used in Vietnam, specifically that they should have been used at Dien Bien Phu in 1954 to defoliate trees.

Goldwater's rhetoric on nuclear war was viewed by many as quite uncompromising, a view buttressed by off-hand comments such as, "Let's lob one into the men's room at the Kremlin."He also advocated that field commanders in Vietnam and Europe should be given the authority to use tactical nuclear weapons (which he called "small conventional nuclear weapons") without presidential confirmation.

Trump (need I add more?):
Donald Trump refused to take the use of nuclear weapons off the table in any situation, including in Europe or the Middle East, during a wide-ranging town hall on Wednesday on MSNBC.
http://thehill.com/policy/defense/274730-trump-says-he-would-not-take-nuclear-off-the-table-in-any-situation



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Donald Trump and Barry Goldwater.....and the 1964 LBJ landslide victory. (Original Post) pantsonfire Apr 2016 OP
Some things just never change world wide wally Apr 2016 #1
Sounds about right.... kentuck Apr 2016 #2
No republican was going to win that election, which was a JFK assassination memorial election. braddy Apr 2016 #3
This election will look more like 2008 than 1964. craigmatic Apr 2016 #4
If Cruz wins the nom probably, but not Trump. His unfavorability ratings among women 75+% n/t pantsonfire Apr 2016 #5
There is no way Hillary wins deep red states like most of the ones in the praries and deep south. craigmatic Apr 2016 #6

kentuck

(111,079 posts)
2. Sounds about right....
Fri Apr 1, 2016, 06:37 PM
Apr 2016

but the pendulum swung to the right after the Goldwater election. Will it swing back the other direction after this election?

 

craigmatic

(4,510 posts)
6. There is no way Hillary wins deep red states like most of the ones in the praries and deep south.
Sat Apr 2, 2016, 10:24 PM
Apr 2016

In modern times Mccain's totals are the low point for the R's.

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