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Obama did put on his comfortable shoes (Original Post) itsrobert Jun 2012 OP
Do you honestly think Obama marching would do any good? boxman15 Jun 2012 #1
Yes, I do honestly think itsrobert Jun 2012 #3
If you think voters had Obama in mind today tabatha Jun 2012 #5
Tabatha itsrobert Jun 2012 #6
And did you just dream this up? tabatha Jun 2012 #7
As much as your weak analysis itsrobert Jun 2012 #8
+10 whathehell Jun 2012 #16
Hell yeah it would have. What is this "The President Makes No Difference" SHIT? Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #4
Yes. Chan790 Jun 2012 #12
You cannot praise him for the good if you are unwilling to call him on the not so good Marrah_G Jun 2012 #14
Making the promise did him a lot of good at the time... lame54 Jun 2012 #20
You just wait till he starts fighting the extension of the Bush Tax Cuts! Poll_Blind Jun 2012 #2
More money for the Kochs to use against liberal efforts. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #9
You're doing an exemplary job Robert! Son of Gob Jun 2012 #10
Yup, Obama will give your boys their tax cut itsrobert Jun 2012 #11
They're happy with your work. Son of Gob Jun 2012 #13
The Krotch brothers are now hiring trolls to bash Obama, nice! Happydayz Jun 2012 #15
And they are NOT using their tax cuts to fund it. Dr Fate Jun 2012 #17
In his defense jp11 Jun 2012 #18
Wow! liberal N proud Jun 2012 #19
He would own this loss if he'd gone to WI. JNelson6563 Jun 2012 #21

boxman15

(1,033 posts)
1. Do you honestly think Obama marching would do any good?
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:09 AM
Jun 2012

Walker won by a healthy margin. It wouldn't have done any good. It would've killed Obama politically, and made his re-election and this nation's chance to recover so much harder to achieve.

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
3. Yes, I do honestly think
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:14 AM
Jun 2012

The margin was 7 percent. No standing up for the core of your supporters will be seen as weak in November. Voters have no respect for that.

tabatha

(18,795 posts)
5. If you think voters had Obama in mind today
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:25 AM
Jun 2012

they did briefly when stating that they preferred Obama over Romney.

They also indicated a negative attitude towards recalls by 60%.

You are barking up the wrong tree.

Two posts bashing Obama with the most superficial of reasons. Is that an agenda?

itsrobert

(14,157 posts)
6. Tabatha
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:28 AM
Jun 2012

Voters like Obama. So when he did nothing to support Wisconsin unions, voters were confused. They thought "if Obama doesn't care about this recall strongly, why should we?"

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
4. Hell yeah it would have. What is this "The President Makes No Difference" SHIT?
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:16 AM
Jun 2012

Seriously. How far do you feel you have to lower expectations to diminish the President's role and popularity that far?

PB

 

Chan790

(20,176 posts)
12. Yes.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:05 AM
Jun 2012

The President's re-election is not in jeopardy, it would not have been in jeopardy if he'd stumped for WI. It wasn't going to make anything harder...the most it could have done was move one "Lean Dem" state to toss-up...and he'd likely still win it even then.

Let's see if I can make this clearer. Based on polling:

Safe Dem: WA, OR, CA, NM, MN, IL, MI, MD, DE, DC, PA, NJ, NY, CT, MA, NH, VT, ME, HI
Lean Dem: NV, WI
Obama: 257 EC

Safe GOP: AK, ID, UT, MT, WY, ND, SD, NE, OK, TX, KS, AR, MI, AL, LA, GA, SC, IN, TN, KY, WV
Lean GOP: AZ
Romney: 181EC

Tossups: CO, IA, MO, OH, VA, NC, FL

To win the election, Romney has to win all of them except he can lose either CO or IA, but not both. Obama has to win either 2 of CO, IA, MO or 1 of OH, VA, NC, FL. He's leading in CO, IA, OH, VA, NC, FL. He's down narrowly in in MO. The odds are greater of Obama breaking 300EC than they are of him losing.

Marrah_G

(28,581 posts)
14. You cannot praise him for the good if you are unwilling to call him on the not so good
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 03:51 AM
Jun 2012

Either he has influence, or he doesn't, you cannot have it both ways.

lame54

(35,277 posts)
20. Making the promise did him a lot of good at the time...
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 06:37 AM
Jun 2012

I guess making good on the promise is not important

Poll_Blind

(23,864 posts)
2. You just wait till he starts fighting the extension of the Bush Tax Cuts!
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 02:12 AM
Jun 2012

You just wait! You'll see. You'll all see!*

*But if he does extend them it's simply another move in the Grand Chess Game™

PB

Happydayz

(112 posts)
15. The Krotch brothers are now hiring trolls to bash Obama, nice!
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 04:15 AM
Jun 2012

Obama, is damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. I remember the Scott Brown vs Martha Coakley race very well and how it played out, when Obama went to campaign for Coakley. No sooner than Scott being declared the winner, the media and anti-Obama folks (like yourself) were declaring this is a referendum on Obama and he only hurts dems in local elections etc. Now you gripe and complain when he doesn't want to involve himself in a local election during presidential campaign year. Heavy sigh!! You can't have it both ways, sorry!!

jp11

(2,104 posts)
18. In his defense
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 05:38 AM
Jun 2012

pretty much all democrats have taken that position. It's far easier to go to the right over fighting republicans and going left, where most people actually are compared to the right, to court big republican money just as the democratic party HAS been doing.

liberal N proud

(60,334 posts)
19. Wow!
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 06:01 AM
Jun 2012

It is so easy to blame Obama and make it about him because that is what the right and the media wants everyone to do.

Flipping a local loss nationally to try and beat Obama in November.

JNelson6563

(28,151 posts)
21. He would own this loss if he'd gone to WI.
Wed Jun 6, 2012, 06:53 AM
Jun 2012

No sitting President has EVER gotten involved in a state recall election. If he had then this loss would have been hung around his neck like a millstone.

But you don't care do you? No, what matters is NOW. RIGHT NOW!1 Fuck the future!1! Fuck the country! All that matters in the whole world is Wisconsin!1!

My gawd, don't you kids have school or something?

Julie

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