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Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:14 PM

Man accidentally discovers 'perfectly preserved' Roman villa in his backyard

Luke Irwin came across the well-preserved Roman villa dating back 1,400 years and which may have been home to an emperor

A man stumbled across a Roman villa in his back garden which is being hailed as the most significant discovery of its kind for a decade.

Luke Irwin, from Wiltshire, was laying an electricity cable in his barn when he uncovered a mosaic underground.

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After an eight-day dig, archaeologists uncovered more of the ‘elaborate’ and ‘extraordinarily well-preserved’ villa, thought to be one of the largest ever found in the country.

Dating from between AD 175 and 220, the grand home is thought to have been three storeys high, similar to those found at Chedworth in Gloucestershire.

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http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk/man-accidentally-discovers-perfectly-preserved-roman-villa-in-his-backyard-a6987901.html

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Reply Man accidentally discovers 'perfectly preserved' Roman villa in his backyard (Original post)
rpannier Apr 2016 OP
Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #1
whistler162 Apr 2016 #8
Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #9
left-of-center2012 Apr 2016 #11
Uncle Joe Apr 2016 #14
A Simple Game Apr 2016 #31
left-of-center2012 Apr 2016 #47
Brickbat Apr 2016 #13
snooper2 Apr 2016 #33
ShrimpPoboy Apr 2016 #2
etherealtruth Apr 2016 #3
redwitch Apr 2016 #4
rpannier Apr 2016 #6
redwitch Apr 2016 #10
2naSalit Apr 2016 #19
redwitch Apr 2016 #21
2naSalit Apr 2016 #25
Silver_Witch Apr 2016 #32
LittleGirl Apr 2016 #36
nilram Apr 2016 #23
kentauros Apr 2016 #48
redwitch Apr 2016 #49
geardaddy Apr 2016 #50
kentauros Apr 2016 #51
geardaddy Apr 2016 #53
MerryBlooms Apr 2016 #5
MisterP Apr 2016 #7
Brother Buzz Apr 2016 #12
HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #26
geardaddy Apr 2016 #52
KG Apr 2016 #15
dorkzilla Apr 2016 #18
mnhtnbb Apr 2016 #16
Norrin Radd Apr 2016 #17
2naSalit Apr 2016 #20
robertgodardfromnj Apr 2016 #22
Jeffersons Ghost Apr 2016 #24
progressoid Apr 2016 #27
Logical Apr 2016 #28
Jack Rabbit Apr 2016 #29
DesertRat Apr 2016 #30
snooper2 Apr 2016 #34
Bad Dog Apr 2016 #35
dorkzilla Apr 2016 #37
muriel_volestrangler Apr 2016 #39
dorkzilla Apr 2016 #42
ginnyinWI Apr 2016 #38
Helen Borg Apr 2016 #40
blackspade Apr 2016 #41
Spitfire of ATJ Apr 2016 #43
bvar22 Apr 2016 #44
JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #55
struggle4progress Apr 2016 #45
Retrograde Apr 2016 #46
TeddyR Apr 2016 #54

Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:23 PM

1. If it was dated between 175-220AD, wouldn't that be more than 1400 years?



Thanks for the thread, rpannier.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:46 PM

8. It is a metric year.

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Response to whistler162 (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:48 PM

9. Thanks for the clarification, whistler.

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Response to whistler162 (Reply #8)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:54 PM

11. So .....

I would be a lot younger than 70 if I used 'metric years'?

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #11)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:12 PM

14. 70 is the new 45 in metric years.

or something like that.

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Response to left-of-center2012 (Reply #11)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 07:25 AM

31. Well, there is one thing I use the metric system to measure. 2.54 cm to the inch equals... n/t

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Response to A Simple Game (Reply #31)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:10 PM

47. Your waist? n/t

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #1)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:02 PM

13. Later on, they say it "collapsed" 1,400 years ago.

Built in the 200s, stood for awhile, then collapsed. It's a lazy lead.

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Response to Uncle Joe (Reply #1)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:52 AM

33. That was using the business hours model

 

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:24 PM

2. Amazing stuff

Thanks for sharing this

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:25 PM

3. Very cool, thanks for posting

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:31 PM

4. Why doesn't this kind of thing happen to me?

I already checked the attic too. Twice. No Carravagios either.

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Response to redwitch (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:38 PM

6. I know

They had that guy in Italy who was digging a new bathroom (maybe it was a basement extension) and found underground a part of the city several hundred years old that they had covered.

I'm buying property in the wrong spot

on edit
found the story
http://www.ancient-origins.net/news-history-archaeology/man-intent-fixing-toilet-uncovers-centuries-old-subterranean-world-020299

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Response to rpannier (Reply #6)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:53 PM

10. I remember reading this one too.

Pretty amazing!

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Response to redwitch (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:26 PM

19. Right?

Story of my life! All the cool stuff happens to other people.



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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #19)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:29 PM

21. Oh My Goodness!

I just now read your username and understand! I usually do really well figuring this stuff out quickly. How are ya tunasalad?

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Response to redwitch (Reply #21)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:05 PM

25. I'm fine...

It was my last furrylovekitty's name. It was a long time ago that she went away but I still think of her, best cat I ever had. She was more like a guard dog dressed up in kitty clothes! Nobody entered the yard without her approval, thank goodness I had a fenced yard! And the squirrels were her playmates. I found a picture of her...

I posted her picture, from 1999 here

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1107104319#post37

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:47 AM

32. What a beauty.

 

Thank you for sharing!

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Response to 2naSalit (Reply #25)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:32 AM

36. pretty kitty eom

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Response to redwitch (Reply #4)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:41 PM

23. None, NONE! of my pictures have copies of the Declaration of Independence,

OR the Constitution hidden behind them, damnit. Awesome that this guy is getting other folks to dig his flower beds for him, though. Sharp.

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Response to redwitch (Reply #4)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:14 PM

48. Because you don't live in England?

All of England is an archaeological site! It should roped off and dug up for preservation

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Response to kentauros (Reply #48)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 04:52 PM

49. I love England.

I could move there. And find out my house was actually built by that legion that disappeared. Hmmm.

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Response to kentauros (Reply #48)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:32 PM

50. All of England should be roped off alright.

Says most of Wales and Scotland.

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Response to geardaddy (Reply #50)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:35 PM

51. Well, that's a given



However, where will all those displaced Brits go?

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Response to kentauros (Reply #51)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:39 PM

53. The Welsh and Scots are actually Brits too.

They can be assimilated the way the Welsh and Scots were expected to be assimilated. Or they can go to one of their Commonwealth countries. Or back to Jutland and Angeln and Saxony?

Nah, they'll stay.

And of course the Celts will have to go back to France and Anatolia. If we're to believe the academics.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:32 PM

5. Incredible.

Thanks for sharing.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:46 PM

7. 2016 AD-1400 = 616 AD ...

the site gave up ~600, tho, as the Saxons infiltrated their rule

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Response to MisterP (Reply #7)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 07:59 PM

12. But the Villa was built in roughly the middle of the Roman occupation ...

AD 175- 220?

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Response to Brother Buzz (Reply #12)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:38 PM

26. Romans left Britain 425ish AD.

 

175-225 was roughly the peak of Roman occupation. After Romans left, the buildings fell into ruin. 600 AD is a good guess when the villa was no longer occupied.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #26)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:36 PM

52. There were still Romano-British "kingdoms" left...

in the wake of the Roman withdrawal. So, I'm guessing the structure was in use until it was destroyed or abandoned during the Saxon onslaught.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:35 PM

15. where's the Time Team when you need them?

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Response to KG (Reply #15)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:22 PM

18. Mick Aston is dead

There can be no TT without Mick.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 08:45 PM

16. Totally cool.

My husband loves this old Roman stuff.

On our last trip to London--in January--he went to visit Lullingstone again.


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lullingstone_Roman_Villa

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:18 PM

17. These articles never have

enough photos of the artifacts.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:27 PM

20. Wow!!

I love stories like these!

Thanks for sharing!

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:37 PM

22. Whoa, that is awesome

 

I wish my place had some historical significance too.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 09:43 PM

24. Oyster shells too! How cool is that?

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:42 PM

27. Cool. But I their idea of "perfectly preserved" might be a little off.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:46 PM

28. Cool, love these stories! Thanks! Nt

 

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:49 PM

29. To set a crude timeline for Roman Britain . . .

(All dates Anno Domini/Common Era)

43 -- Claudius Caesar leads successful invasion of Britain.
60-61 -- British Queen Boudica leads revolt against Roman rule; revolt not put down before much carnage inflicted on both sides
105 -- Roman suffer defeat at the hands of the Picts in Alba (modern Scotland) and retreat.
117 -- Hadrian's Wall built, establishing the northernmost frontier pf Roman influence in Britain.
117-late rth Century -- Roman is stable except for the occasional insurrection by British patriots.
175-220 (approx) -- Villa built.
Late 4th/Early 5th Century -- Barbarian invasions begin.
410 -- Honorius Caesar in Rome rejects pleas from Romans in Britain for help repelling barbarian invasions; Honorius tells Roman settlers to fend for themselves.
430 -- Last Roman coins minted in Britain; presumably, all Roman troops have been withdrawn by this time.
After 430 -- Vortigern, a British warlord, invites Saxons to Britain to help repel invasions of Picts and Scots. Saxons remain in Britain and make themselves at home, causing ethnic and religious tensions between Roman Britain Christians and Saxon pagans.
446 -- Plea for help against Saxons addressed to Roman commander Aetius in the western main laind of the Empire goes unanswered.
476 -- Western Roman Empire falls; Visigoth King Odoacer assumes title King of Italy.
577 -- Saxons complete conquest of what is now southern England and Cornwall; Any historical basis for the Arthurian legends took place during the preceding century to century and a half.
600 (approx) -- Villa falls into permanent disrepair.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Sun Apr 17, 2016, 10:53 PM

30. Wow, incredible

Thanks for the story!

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 09:53 AM

34. The team also discovered hundreds of discarded oyster shells

 

I guess this is before curb side trash collection

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:27 AM

35. This was all over the news yesterday.

It doesn't normally happen at all. The landowner was using a Roman child's coffin as a flower pot, (not any more.)

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:43 AM

37. I found a circa 1920's medicine bottle while digging a new rose bed

I was just in Wiltshire last month, musing about all the history that is under their soil. Neolithic barrows, Roman remains etc. I'm curious as to why they've not found more in the southwest of England (Devon) - didn't even realize it till I looked at this map and there is a big ol' chunk of Blighty missing Roman remains.

http://www.historic-uk.com/HistoryMagazine/DestinationsUK/RomanSites/

And if there are any Anglo Roman experts out there, wondering if they have any theories as to why the Roman tradition of hypocausts was lost after the 5th century? I'm assuming it could have been just that they would have been focused on subsisting but you would think that would be the ONE IMPROVEMENT the Romans bought to Britain that the native British would want to keep!

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Response to dorkzilla (Reply #37)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:37 AM

39. Most of Devon and Cornwall is fairly hilly

and the Romans don't seem to have lived in the hilly areas of Britain much (except for the hills that Hadrian's Wall ran over, of course) - not so good for agriculture, I guess. Though you might have expected some interest in Cornish tin mines, for bronze.

The hypocaust requires an extensive brick or stone quarrying industry. Once the Romans left, building in Britain largely reverted to wood, and wattle and daub, until the Normans started building stone castles, churches and cathedrals.

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Response to muriel_volestrangler (Reply #39)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:24 PM

42. I hadn't thought of the brick-making aspect

Completely makes sense. I suppose I would have expected they'd have re-used the brick from the villas and the vici for other things, judging by the robber trenches they find everywhere but I reckon they were busy trying to figure out how to survive.

Thanks!

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 10:54 AM

38. more pictures--CNN has picked the story up

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 11:39 AM

40. So, now he won't have access to his backyard anymore?

How does this work?

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:14 PM

41. Sweet!

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 12:32 PM

43. If you dig in Vegas you find sand.

 

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:00 PM

44. Gotta hurry. Going out to dig up my barn now.

See Ya!

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Response to bvar22 (Reply #44)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 06:01 PM

55. If you find Jimmy Hoffa, just fill the hole, quietly.

Unless you want your barn demolished, in which case, tell the FBI you "think" he might be there.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:24 PM

45. Cool!

I once found a little green plastic beach-toy shovel in my backyard!

Unfortunately I never tried to learn if it might be a ancient Roman artifact, and now I have no idea what happened to it



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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 02:29 PM

46. Cool! All I ever find are odd bricks and roofing nails

although I once found some charred newspapers under a thin concrete slab I took out.

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Response to rpannier (Original post)

Mon Apr 18, 2016, 05:59 PM

54. This is awesome

 

I'm a huge history buff. And yeah, the person who found the Carravagio in the attic is my hero

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