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Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:13 PM

 

Oh my, the vapors over Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill


Against my better angels, I took a tour of the Internet fever swamps to see how the denizens thereof are taking the news. True to form, they did not disappoint.

What strikes me in some of their ridiculous reactions is that our currency used to be a lot more interesting than a collection of dead presidents (plus Ben Franklin) in the first place.

We have had Native Americans:







We have even had pagan gods!









Can you imagine the conniptions that would result from proposing to put a pagan god on US currency today?

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Reply Oh my, the vapors over Harriet Tubman on the $20 bill (Original post)
jberryhill Apr 2016 OP
global1 Apr 2016 #1
hobbit709 Apr 2016 #22
840high Apr 2016 #30
colorado_ufo Apr 2016 #31
metroins Apr 2016 #36
TowneshipRebellion Apr 2016 #59
ozone_man Apr 2016 #2
underpants Apr 2016 #3
KamaAina Apr 2016 #6
underpants Apr 2016 #8
RufusTFirefly Apr 2016 #55
KamaAina Apr 2016 #60
ret5hd Apr 2016 #11
Codeine Apr 2016 #24
underpants Apr 2016 #29
jberryhill Apr 2016 #52
Blue_Tires Apr 2016 #4
KamaAina Apr 2016 #5
jberryhill Apr 2016 #9
KamaAina Apr 2016 #10
jberryhill Apr 2016 #16
melm00se Apr 2016 #15
merrily Apr 2016 #53
WinkyDink Apr 2016 #21
reACTIONary Apr 2016 #46
csziggy Apr 2016 #58
kentuck Apr 2016 #7
LanternWaste Apr 2016 #12
Scootaloo Apr 2016 #18
Chiquitita Apr 2016 #34
Iggo Apr 2016 #23
hfojvt Apr 2016 #13
Staph Apr 2016 #27
progree Apr 2016 #44
hfojvt Apr 2016 #57
melm00se Apr 2016 #61
Staph Apr 2016 #63
jberryhill Apr 2016 #38
hfojvt Apr 2016 #56
Glassunion Apr 2016 #14
raging moderate Apr 2016 #17
ScreamingMeemie Apr 2016 #19
raccoon Apr 2016 #20
Codeine Apr 2016 #25
jberryhill Apr 2016 #49
Atman Apr 2016 #26
Takket Apr 2016 #28
mnhtnbb Apr 2016 #32
stage left Apr 2016 #33
RobinA Apr 2016 #35
progree Apr 2016 #45
reACTIONary Apr 2016 #48
jberryhill Apr 2016 #51
romanic Apr 2016 #37
Elmer S. E. Dump Apr 2016 #39
NYC Liberal Apr 2016 #40
Richard D Apr 2016 #41
jberryhill Apr 2016 #43
erpowers Apr 2016 #42
former9thward Apr 2016 #47
malaise Apr 2016 #50
merrily Apr 2016 #54
liberalnarb Apr 2016 #62

Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:17 PM

1. Why Don't We Just Get It Over With And Put....

Hillary on the $20.00 bill? (sarcasm)

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Response to global1 (Reply #1)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:24 PM

22. They don't make a $200,000 bill.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:45 PM

30. Boom!

 

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:49 PM

31. Tish-boom!

OK - that was seriously funny!

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:16 PM

36. That was funny

I'm a Hillary supporter but good joke.

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Response to hobbit709 (Reply #22)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:37 PM

59. This brightened my day...

 

Thank you so much for that.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:17 PM

2. Putting dead presidents on the money instead of ideals.

Some might call that fascism.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:17 PM

3. Side note. Much of the blind community is pushing for Helen Keller on the $10

FYI

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Response to underpants (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:29 PM

6. She's already on the Alabama state quarter

 

complete with miniature Braille!

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:31 PM

8. I didn't know that. Thanks. N/t

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #6)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:29 PM

55. Helen Keller: Suffragist, pacifist, socialist, and promoter of birth control

Keller argued that capitalists wanted workers to have large families to supply cheap labor to factories but forced poor children to live in miserable conditions. “Only by taking the responsibility of birth control into their own hands,” Keller said, “can (women) roll back the awful tide of misery that is sweeping over them and their children.”


Why is it that they never taught us that in school?

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Response to RufusTFirefly (Reply #55)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 08:41 PM

60. 'Cause you didn't go to school in Europe?

 

There, she is known more as a pioneering socialist feminist than as a person with a disability, perhaps because a certain treacly movie is not shown over there on an annual basis.

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Response to underpants (Reply #3)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:44 PM

11. Just tell 'em we already did.

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:38 PM

24. Dammit. I shouldn't have laughed.

Now I feel like a monster.

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:45 PM

29. Oh man

I have to be careful who I tell that to.

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Response to ret5hd (Reply #11)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:56 PM

52. You are a naughty, naughty person

 


When you stub your toe and trip on the steps sometime soon, you'll know why.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:18 PM

4. Yeah, an announcement like this is pissing off all the right people, lol

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:28 PM

5. Plus Alexander Hamilton

 

also not a dead President. In fact, the "natural-born citizen" clause that Trump and the birfers are throweing at Cruz was intended to block the Caribbean-born Hamilton from becoming President.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:34 PM

9. Do you have a reference for that?

 


I followed birther antics closely for a while, and never came across that bit about Hamilton. I thought it had more to do with foreign princes combined with our bar against titles of nobility.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #9)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:41 PM

10. I read it somewhere years ago.

 

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #10)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:51 PM

16. Aha...

 

One of these days I have got to look up the MLA citation format for those.

Person, Some Pseudonymous, in Read It Somewhere, recalled in Reply #10 to post, 2016.

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:51 PM

15. Wouldn't have applied

Text:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;


As the Constitution was ratified in 1788, he would have fallen into the same category as most other Founding Fathers as becoming a citizen upon the creation of the USA.

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Response to melm00se (Reply #15)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:22 PM

53. Good catch!

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:24 PM

21. Cruz is a Canadian.

 

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Response to WinkyDink (Reply #21)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:58 PM

46. Not only that...

..... he's not a very good Canadian .

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Response to KamaAina (Reply #5)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:35 PM

58. Uhm, that is a myth

Misconception: Alexander Hamilton was not legally eligible to become President of the United States.

Alexander Hamilton was born on the island of Nevis in the Caribbean. It is believed by some that because he was not born in the United States, Alexander Hamilton was not eligible to become a US President according to the US Constitution.

However, the US Constitution states in Article II, Section 1:

No Person except a natural born Citizen, or a Citizen of the United States, at the time of the Adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible to the Office of President;

So according to the US Constitution, there are two ways someone can be qualified for the Presidency:

If they are a natural-born Citizen (born in the territory of the United States) -or-
If they are a citizen of the US at the time of the Adoption of the Constitution (which occured on September 17, 1787).

Alexander Hamilton, who had immigrated from the Caribbean in 1772, was a US citizen (as a citizen of New York) in 1787 and thus falls into the second group of e{li}gibility.
http://allthingshamilton.com/index.php/alexander-hamilton/false-myths-and-half-truths/71-myths-and-misconceptions/164-myths-presidency

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:31 PM

7. It's only appropriate to put a black woman on the $20 bill...

...instead of the founder of the Democratic Party. After all, he was a racist - probably the only one of his era?

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Response to kentuck (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:44 PM

12. Yes. Yes it is...

"It's only appropriate to put a black woman on the $20 bill..."

Yes. Yes it is... regardless of how we may attempt to minimize it relative to party origins.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:56 PM

18. He also perpetrated genocide.

 

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Response to Scootaloo (Reply #18)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:10 PM

34. This ^^

and incited others to perpetrate genocide and steal land that didn't belong to them.

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Response to kentuck (Reply #7)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:35 PM

23. A woman born into slavery replacing a racist slave owner?

Works for me.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:45 PM

13. is lady liberty really a pagan god?

At least a few of those are supposed to be lady liberty. The first one is called "Liberty walking" and the third "liberty standing".

I said that picking Tubman would be controversial. There would have been much less consternation if they had put Christa McAuliffe on the twenty.

I still say twenties are evil. I have refused to take them for decades.

Because I had a business and they were like the bane of my existence. Customer is spending $2.60 and has nothing but twenties in their wallet. Twenties will clean out your change drawer like nobody's business. Now they are coming from the machines, of course, but I wish bankers could be taught. If somebody is getting $80 in cash, please, please, please, do not give them ALL twenties. Break one of those evil fothermuckers up. To try to teach that point, I will always ask for tens and fives. Will not accept a twenty.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:44 PM

27. It could be worse.

My branch bank's ATMs dispense 50 dollar bills, unless you choose an amount that is divisible by 20 and not by 50. Try breaking a $50!

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Response to Staph (Reply #27)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:47 PM

44. I wouldn't mind that! Mine spits out $100 bills, GRRR

I usually do 3 withdrawals like $180, then $80, then $80, so as to maximize the amount of $20's I get, and get only one $100 bill. Unless there is someone(s) in line behind me.

I so hate handing some small or medium-sized business a $100 bill, and almost never do unless I'm buying more than $20 of something. So far, I've never had one rejected or anyone ask me if I had a smaller bill. But at McDonalds when I did use one once or twice, the cashier would disappear with it into some back room.

That ATM went straight from $20's to $100's. I could understand going to $50's as an intermediate step.

There is talk of getting rid of the $100 bill and the 500 Euro note because it makes criminal money transactions much more convenient than $20's.

Quite a bit comes up at Google: "Getting rid of $100 bill", for example,

Why the $100 Bill and the 500 Euro Note May Be Phased Out
http://time.com/money/4226174/kill-100-dollar-bill-500-euro-phase-out/

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Response to Staph (Reply #27)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:34 PM

57. I happen to be fond of the $50

and I hardly ever saw one in business. It is the 20 that is ubiquitous.

US Grant was one of the earliest of my known famous relatives (before I uncovered many more). Hence, my fondness for the $50.

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Response to Staph (Reply #27)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 06:57 AM

61. When I was in Venice and Vienna (different times)

the ATMs there gave you the option of selecting what denominations you wanted.

you could have €300 spit out as a mix of €5's, €10's, €20's or €50's which was kind of nice as smaller shops did not like larger bills.

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Response to melm00se (Reply #61)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 11:55 AM

63. I've never seen that in an American ATM.

That would be lovely!


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Response to hfojvt (Reply #13)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:29 PM

38. "Liberty" as an anthropomorphic representation of an abstract concept....

 

...is certainly not a mortal human.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liberty_%28goddess%29

A goddess named for and representing the concept Liberty has existed in many cultures, including classical examples dating from the Roman Empire to those representing national symbols such as the American Columbia and its Statue of Liberty, an artwork created under the name Liberty Enlightening the World, and the French Marianne.

Ah, didn't know this bit...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mercury_dime

The Mercury dime is a ten-cent coin struck by the United States Mint from 1916 to 1945. Designed by Adolph Weinman and also referred to as the Winged Liberty Head dime, it gained its common name as the obverse depiction of a young Liberty, identifiable by her winged Phrygian cap, was confused with the Roman god Mercury. Weinman is believed to have used Elsie Stevens, the wife of lawyer and poet Wallace Stevens, as a model.

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Response to jberryhill (Reply #38)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:31 PM

56. she's not a goddess either

she's a representation of the concept of liberty.

Whatever the Romans believed, the early Americans were promoting the idea of liberty and NOT honoring some goddess. I understand it was part of the earliest legislation involving money that some denomination of money would always have a representative of liberty on it.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:48 PM

14. Didn't Hamilton hate the idea of paper money?

I think he'd be happy to be removed.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:53 PM

17. I love Harriet Tubman!

A truly heroic American!

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 01:57 PM

19. I have been pleasantly surprised by the reactions in my area.

Most welcome it... the rest are comment trolls.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:18 PM

20. I'd like to see rock musicians on our bills. That won't happen, so I'm glad it's Harriet.nt

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Response to raccoon (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:40 PM

25. "Can I get five Ramones for this Jack White?" nt

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Response to raccoon (Reply #20)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:52 PM

49. I have petitioned many times to make Walk This Way our national anthem

 



It would be so bad-ass at the Olympics.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:43 PM

26. "In Gods & Goddesses We Trust."


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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:45 PM

28. interesting that we refer to money as "dead presidents"

This change means only half our paper money actually has dead presidents

Washington
Lincoln
Grant

the other half don't
Tubman
Hamilton
Franklin

just something I noticed...

I think we should put yoda on a bill. he's already green

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 02:59 PM

32. Our paper money is so boring--compared to the colors of many other countries.

Does anyone else appreciate the irony of putting a "person of color" on our colorless paper money?


See some of the variation here:

http://www.colourlovers.com/print/blog/2008/03/27/the-color-of-money-from-around-the-world

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:08 PM

33. i think Harriet Tubman is a great choice. nt

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:11 PM

35. Am I The Only

female who just cringes at this kind of tokenism?

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Response to RobinA (Reply #35)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:55 PM

45. I'm not female but my first reaction was this was a bit too much political correctness

Last edited Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:01 PM - Edit history (1)

I vaguely associated her with the Civil War era and abolition and being female and maybe black, and that's about all I "knew" about her. (I remember her being mentioned in school history courses, but that was 40 years ago for me). So I went to Wikipedia:

Harriet Tubman (born Araminta Ross; c. 1822[1] – March 10, 1913) was an African-American abolitionist, humanitarian, and a Union spy during the American Civil War. Born into slavery, Tubman escaped and subsequently made some thirteen missions to rescue approximately seventy enslaved families and friends,[2] using the network of antislavery activists and safe houses known as the Underground Railroad. She later helped abolitionist John Brown recruit men for his raid on Harpers Ferry, and in the post-war era was an active participant in the struggle for women's suffrage.

Born a slave in Dorchester County, Maryland, Tubman was beaten and whipped by her various masters as a child. Early in life, she suffered a traumatic head wound when an irate slave owner threw a heavy metal weight intending to hit another slave and hit her instead. The injury caused dizziness, pain, and spells of hypersomnia, which occurred throughout her life. She was a devout Christian and experienced strange visions and vivid dreams, which she ascribed to premonitions from God.

In 1849, Tubman escaped to Philadelphia, then immediately returned to Maryland to rescue her family. Slowly, one group at a time, she brought relatives with her out of the state, and eventually guided dozens of other slaves to freedom. Traveling by night and in extreme secrecy, Tubman (or "Moses", as she was called) "never lost a passenger". Her actions made slave owners anxious and angry, and they posted rewards for her capture. After the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 was passed, she helped guide fugitives further north into Canada, and helped newly freed slaves find work.

When the Civil War began, Tubman worked for the Union Army, first as a cook and nurse, and then as an armed scout and spy. The first woman to lead an armed expedition in the war, she guided the raid at Combahee Ferry, which liberated more than seven hundred slaves. After the war, she retired to the family home on property she had purchased in 1859 in Auburn, New York, where she cared for her aging parents. She was active in the women's suffrage movement until illness overtook her and she had to be admitted to a home for elderly African-Americans that she had helped to establish years earlier. After she died in 1913, she became an icon of American courage and freedom.


More: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Harriet_Tubman

I thought, wow, that lady sure had a pair of gonads. She's earned her place on major U.S. currency in my mind.

[font color = red]On Edit:[/font] If you mean tokenism in terms of doing so little to make up for centuries of discrimination against minorities and women, I certainly agree.

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Response to RobinA (Reply #35)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:06 PM

48. Our currency is, by definition.?

...tokenism - whoever is on it.

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Response to RobinA (Reply #35)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:54 PM

51. Meh... one person's tokenism is another person's inclusion

 


I doubt 99% of the population would care if Mickey Mouse was on some denomination of currency. People do tend to get wrapped up in symbols over substance.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:24 PM

37. I was expecting Rosa Parks over Harriet Tubman tbh.

But Harriet is truly a hero in history and I don't see the fuss on having her be on the bill.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:41 PM

39. Certainly not a priority for me right now

 

At least it's not Hillary.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:44 PM

40. We also have a socialist on one of our quarters:



How many know that?

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 03:52 PM

41. Seriously though . . .

. . . with a hundred dollars being about as valuable as $10 was a while ago, we really need some large denomination bills.

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Response to Richard D (Reply #41)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:44 PM

43. I've been watching old broadcasts of Let's Make A Deal

 


And Monte Hall is running around with the most remarkable denominations of currency.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 04:02 PM

42. Not Surprised

I am not surprised by this in the least bit. I expected people to be very angry that Harriet Tubman would be on the $20.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 05:03 PM

47. This is purely ceremonial.

It will be years before a Tubman $20 bill is produced. Some have said as late as 2030. Whatever the date does not matter because cash will be dead by then. It will be something for museums and collectors but that is all.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 06:54 PM

50. The truth is that slavery built the wealth

Bravo - I'm delighted for Harriet Tubman

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Response to malaise (Reply #50)

Wed Apr 20, 2016, 07:24 PM

54. All "free: or cheap labor, but, yes, slaves were exploited and mistreated more heinously

than anyone.

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Response to jberryhill (Original post)

Thu Apr 21, 2016, 07:56 AM

62. Its just testosterone fueled sexism and traditional American racism.

 

White people in America have a built in tendency to feel threatened whenever another group of people make social progress. They'll get over it.

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