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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWith the exit polls—as usual— “adjusted,” Walker “wins” Wisconsin! (Who’s surprised?)
http://markcrispinmiller.com/2012/06/with-the-exit-polls-as-usual-adjusted-walker-wins-wisconsin-whos-surprised/What we got tonight in Wisconsin was the same old stench, coming from the same old corner of the room. To wit, there was a huge turnout (highly favorable to the Democratic candidate Barrett), in fact theyre still waiting in line to vote in Milwaukee and elsewhere nearly two hours after poll closing; and the immediate post-closing Exit Polls had it a dead heat, 50%-50%. But the only place those polls were posted was as a Bar Chart in the Milwaukee Journal Sentinel. Not a single network posted any Exit Poll numbers, though they all have been regularly posting them throughout the 2012 primary season within a few minutes of poll closing. But they all called the race extremely tight, since they were looking at the same 50%-50% Exit Poll that the Journal Sentinel at least had the courage to post in some format.
In short order, and quite predictably, the race was Walkers, the networks anointing him the winner as the Exit Poll Adjustment Process played out. You could actually see it on the Journal Sentinels Bar Chart: the blue bars shrinking and the red bars lengthening every 20 minutes or so. It will take a bit of visual measuring but the adjustment process was egregious, on the order of an 8-10% marginal disparity between the Unadjusted Exit Polls and the Adjusted Exit Polls congruent to the eventually-to-be-announced official results.
Weve seen this before, election after election, the familiar Red Shift. And its the Exit Polls that are always off, because the Votecounts must always be on. Except that the Votecounts are secret and in the full control of outfits, with strong right-wing affiliations, like Dominion Voting and Command Central. Votes counted by partisans in complete secretis this sane?
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There are exit polls, and then there are exit polls. For the uninitiated:
http://www.bradblog.com/?p=9333
The early Exit Poll results had reportedly predicted the race between Republican Gov. Scott Walker and Democratic Milwaukee Mayor Tom Barrett a virtual tie, leading media to plan for a long night tonight. A second round of Exit Polls results, however, was said to have given Walker a broader lead over Barrett. Even so, we were told, the race based on the Exit Poll data alone was still "too close to call." Those data were either accurate or they were not.
Of course, the raw, unadjusted Exit Polling data are no longer entrusted to us mere mortals. They can be seen only by members of the mainstream media, and we are simply left to trust them to report it all accurately to us or not. And when, after all, have we not been able to rely on the mainstream media to report everything accurately to us?
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Wisconsin Recall: The adjusted Final Exit Poll was forced to match an unlikely recorded vote
http://richardcharnin.wordpress.com/2012/06/06/wisconsin-recall-the-adjusted-final-exit-poll-was-forced-to-match-an-unlikely-recorded-vote/
The media and the exit pollsters have done it again.
Before the first votes were posted, the media reported that based on the exit polls, the election was too close to call. But Walker won by a solid 7% margin and 173,000 votes. Why the big red shift?
Why did the media not provide the actual unadjusted exit poll data (the crosstabs)? Was it because they knew that they would have to adjust the poll to match a bogus recorded vote and did not want the public to view the impossible adjustments?
The solid 53.2-46.3% Walker win was more than implausible since voter turnout exceeded that of the 2010 election. Walker won the recorded vote 52.2-46.6% in a supposed low-turnout election. But who turned out in droves in 2012? Democrats and independents who wanted Walker out. The grossly unpopular Walker could not have done better than he did in 2010 only worse.
And as is always the case, there was no mention of the fraud factor in the mainstream media. There never is. To the exit pollsters and the media, there is no such thing as election fraud.
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Nope, they only dream of Democratic voter fraud.
applegrove
(118,622 posts)Rove knew of this fact in 2004 and used it to put out that kerry was winning by 2PM on election day. It lit a fire under republican voters and made democrats more relaxed. Was why the MSM, feeling so burned, no longer report exit polls until the polls are closed.
AndyA
(16,993 posts)Should not be discussed in the MSM as long as people are still voting, IMHO. Wisconsin's polling places may have closed at 8:00 p.m., but I heard there were still people waiting in line to vote, and anyone in line before 8:00 could vote under Wisconsin law. Exit polls should not be discussed and no results should be shown until everyone has voted.
Jumping the gun seems disrespectful to those who haven't voted.
mzteris
(16,232 posts)That is, of course, if they don't "disappear" - like mine did in 2010!!!!
BattyDem
(11,075 posts)Why is it always the Republican candidate who benefits from "adjusted" exit polls?
HiPointDem
(20,729 posts)gkhouston
(21,642 posts)gkhouston
(21,642 posts)Yeah, the people who won't shut the hell up at the grocery store, post office, or water cooler suddenly get bashful at the polls.
shcrane71
(1,721 posts)You know the fix is in when the initial election polls are "too close to call". That's an election that is ripe for election fraud pickings. That's what it means to we Americans watching and listing to Pravda... I mean our main stream media outlets.
Thanks for the post.
gkhouston
(21,642 posts)but holy writ in re WI residents not approving of the idea of a recall. It's the "values voters" all over again.
bleever
(20,616 posts)THOSE we can trust; the other ones, they're just a turkey shoot, as "proven" by the "actual" results.