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Thu Apr 28, 2016, 11:58 AM

 

If HRC wins the general, can she get her server back from the FBI?

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She implemented her private server since she didn't like using (or didn't know how to use) the classified secure network. If she wins the general election, she will need the server back so that she can conduct presidential business. Is it in the president's power to order the FBI to return personal property?

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Reply If HRC wins the general, can she get her server back from the FBI? (Original post)
GummyBearz Apr 2016 OP
joeybee12 Apr 2016 #1
tonyt53 Apr 2016 #3
joeybee12 Apr 2016 #5
GummyBearz Apr 2016 #7
joeybee12 Apr 2016 #8
GummyBearz Apr 2016 #9
moonbabygo Apr 2016 #12
joeybee12 Apr 2016 #13
moonbabygo Apr 2016 #15
joeybee12 Apr 2016 #16
moonbabygo Apr 2016 #19
GummyBearz Apr 2016 #22
moonbabygo Apr 2016 #27
840high Apr 2016 #36
B2G Apr 2016 #21
Post removed Apr 2016 #30
liberal N proud Apr 2016 #23
GummyBearz Apr 2016 #24
CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #25
joeybee12 Apr 2016 #28
HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #35
CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #37
HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #40
-none Apr 2016 #26
joeybee12 Apr 2016 #29
-none Apr 2016 #31
joeybee12 Apr 2016 #33
-none Apr 2016 #38
Matt_in_STL Apr 2016 #43
tonyt53 Apr 2016 #2
GummyBearz Apr 2016 #4
tex-wyo-dem Apr 2016 #18
jwirr Apr 2016 #20
HooptieWagon Apr 2016 #41
CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #44
Hortensis Apr 2016 #6
The Second Stone Apr 2016 #10
sufrommich Apr 2016 #11
CoffeeCat Apr 2016 #32
Nictuku Apr 2016 #14
demmiblue Apr 2016 #17
GummyBearz Apr 2016 #34
JustABozoOnThisBus Apr 2016 #39
GummyBearz Apr 2016 #42
Omaha Steve Apr 2016 #45

Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:00 PM

1. To clarify what you don't want to understand, before this gets locked

 

She had her own secure, more secure than government servers, installed so she could use a blackberry...it's that simple...the government servers were not equipped to ensure the connection could be secure...next right wing meme, please.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:01 PM

3. Bingo!

 

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #3)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:04 PM

5. Thanks...sometimes I wonder what site we're on...

 

Free republic or breitbart?

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:05 PM

7. Thanks for your attempt to clarify

 

Have you ever sent an email over the secure network? Because I have, and nothing is more secure than it.

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Response to GummyBearz (Reply #7)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:05 PM

8. Fox News is calling, they want their meme back...nt

 

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #8)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:07 PM

9. Funny they are calling you...nt

 

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:11 PM

12. Even Hillary herself

 

said she did it for to find the easiest way to communicate. She has also said it was a mistake to do it

You think her server in her basement was more secure than the government servers? really?

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Response to moonbabygo (Reply #12)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:13 PM

13. From Fox Noise to your typing fingers...

 

Hers was never hacked, plenty cases of government servers being hack...try again...I know defeat is tough to take, but you people need to get over it.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:17 PM

15. I never said her server was hacked

 

I just thought it strange that one would believe that her server was more secure than the governments servers. Should that be true then her IT guy needs to work for the government

where is the defeat? who are the "you people that need to get over it? are you referring to the FBI?

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Response to moonbabygo (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:21 PM

16. You know who I'm referring to, the endless GDP wars...Because only Bernie supporters are

 

promoting right-wing crap here.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #16)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:24 PM

19. I did not know you were referring to

 

the Bernie supporters. I haven't been here long enough to understand a few things on this board. Trying to filter thru the anger here is hard enough

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Response to moonbabygo (Reply #15)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:30 PM

22. Wrong reply, nt

 

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Response to GummyBearz (Reply #22)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:42 PM

27. double wrong reply

 

tag your it

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #13)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:55 PM

36. We don't know that.

 

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:26 PM

21. LMAO

 

What color is the sky on the planet you're living on?

"She had her own secure, more secure than government servers"

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:36 PM

23. There have been a lot of right wing talking points lately

Makes you wonder.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:37 PM

24. For further clarification

 

Anything on the public internet is less secure than the government's classified network.

The government classified system is hardwired to be its own network; there are no outside links. Every phone connected to it can only call other phones within the network. There is a separate phone number system in place. Every email sent from the network can only be sent to other computers plugged in to the secure network. No hacker can get those emails, unless it is an inside job. There is literally a second internet that can only be accessed within a SCIF. This is the network HRC should have been using for official business.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:40 PM

25. This statement is so beyond ridiculous, and so untrue.

I am sitting here with my jaw agape. I don't know if you are willfully ignorant--and are covering up Clinton's actions. Or if you just don't know the facts.

Regardless--You are wrong. Dead wrong. There is treasure trove of facts and information out there, if you would just take the time to do some research. Keeping Hillary fans in the dark with disinformation is a disservice to everyone around you.

It has been widely reported that Clinton's email server was NOT secure. That is was vulnerable. The issue isn't whether or not her server was hacked. The issue is--was this homebrew server (that even the President Obama didn't know about)--secure?

AP Exclusive: Clinton Email Server Setup Risked Intrusions
Remote-access software allows users to control another computer from afar. The programs are usually operated through an encrypted connection called a virtual private network, or VPN. But Clinton's system appeared to accept commands directly from the Internet without such protections.

"That's total amateur hour," said Marc Maiffret, who has founded two cybersecurity companies. He said permitting remote-access connections directly over the Internet would be the result of someone choosing convenience over security or failing to understand the risks. "Real enterprise-class security, with teams dedicated to these things, would not do this," he said.

The government and security firms have published warnings about allowing this kind of remote access to Clinton's server. The same software was targeted by an infectious Internet worm, known as Morta, which exploited weak passwords to break into servers. The software also was known to be vulnerable to brute-force attacks that tried password combinations until hackers broke in, and in some cases it could be tricked into revealing sensitive details about a server to help hackers formulate attacks.

"An attacker with a low skill-level would be able to exploit this vulnerability," said the Homeland Security Department's U.S. Computer Emergency Readiness Team in 2012, the same year Clinton's server was scanned.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/467ff78858bf4dde8db21677deeff101/only-ap-clinton-server-ran-software-risked-hacking

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #25)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:53 PM

35. Don't confuse them with facts.

 

They aren't interested in being informed.

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Response to HooptieWagon (Reply #35)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:01 PM

37. Notice that this person deleted his response

I hope the end result will be that these people will quit trashing good Democrats who are concerned about our party, this election and the future of the party.

All it takes is a couple of hours at the computer. Do the Google. Do your own research.

Pretending like this is a right-wing issue--is reckless and irresponsible.

This is happening in our Democratic party and it will affect ALL DEMOCRATS.

We don't know what is going to happen. Maybe she'll be indicted. Maybe she won't. But encouraging people to be ignorant is not helping our Democratic party!

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Response to CoffeeCat (Reply #37)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:14 PM

40. You are exactly correct.

 

We know there is an on-going investigation, which may or may not result in indictments of Clinton and/or her top staff. Given that possibility, means there is also the possibility of the front-running Democratic candidate going into the GE as damaged goods to one degree or another. That will no doubt affect down-ticket races too. People sticking their heads in the sand denying even the possibility of trouble brewing are assuring that Democrats are caught unprepared if the hammer falls.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:40 PM

26. Hog wash.

I had a government Blackberry and government E-mail. Both were secure. Hillary's E-mail server was NOT behind the government's firewall. It was only as protected as anyone's home computer. She was lucky it wasn't hacked.

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Response to -none (Reply #26)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:44 PM

29. I ALMOST believe that

 

Nice try...Fox Noise is sending you a check.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #29)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:47 PM

31. What is your computer expertise?

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Response to -none (Reply #31)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:49 PM

33. Anyone can post anything here

 

And usually do...if you used a blackberry, why couldn't Hillary, the NSA said the servers weren't set up so that it would be a secure connection...and yet an anonymous, low-count Hilllary basher says he/she did...yeah, right.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #33)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:05 PM

38. So you are calling me a liar?

I think the TOS has something to say about that.

But you are correct, anyone can post anything here. No matter how wrong they are.
Different government agencies were responsible for their own computer and servers at one time. Many agencies are stove piped. They had trouble sharing information with other agencies because of that. I worked for ITS, we were not. The agency I work for was working to bring all government computer system together in one system. That would have solved the Blackberry problem for Hillary.
The government rules and law says you do not use private E-mail for government business, period. That is why Hillary is in trouble with her private E-mail server. If she had only used it for her personal E-mails, she would have been fine.

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Response to joeybee12 (Reply #1)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:23 PM

43. This is a lie, but I am sure you know it

 

The majority, if not all, security experts have stated this was an incredibly insecure setup and could have easily been hacked. Additionally, it did not even have basic security in place for the first couple months. Also, it is against every policy for handling classified materials to house them on a private server, hard drive, etc.

You can push this all you want but it is complete and total bullshit and was done so she could skirt rules requiring transparency of her emails. She won't be indicted for it as any low level peon would but let's not pretend she was providing a secure government service.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:01 PM

2. You have to ask if the FBI has to do the bidding of the President

 

You ask such a thing and consider yourself to be an informed voter? Got news for ya gummy, the two SoS before used private email and so do several others in high level positions. Either you are a bad troll or a naive voter.

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:03 PM

4. Did those SoS run for office after doing that? It would be an issue for sure

 

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:23 PM

18. So Rice and Powell used a private server?

Really? Want to put money on that, tony?

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:25 PM

20. Private email but NOT private servers kept in their own homes.

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:21 PM

41. No previous SoS had an unauthorized private server in their basement.

 

Nor did they exchange classified messages with un-cleared individuals over insecure email. And previous SoS turned over all records to the State Dept when they left office, not stored them on a hard drive in a warehouse in NJ...despite having signed a sworn statement that all records had been turned over. But yea, other than that, just like previous SOS.

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Response to tonyt53 (Reply #2)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:30 PM

44. The FBI is investigation Clinton's server, not that she used a personal email account

What Condi Rice and Colin Powell did is one thing. They sent work-related emails from their personal accounts. Colin Powell sending a handful of emails via his Gmail account--is NOT the same thing as Clinton building a homebrew, unsecured server and conducting all State business on that server.

I'd say that you're comparing apples and oranges, but the reality is that you're comparing apples to igneous rocks.

What Clinton has done is unprecedented.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:05 PM

6. No legal power "to order" as existing laws

will govern its disposition. However, once the investigation is closed, there should be no reason her personal property would not be returned to her just like anybody else's.

Why do you ask, Gummy? Suffering e-mail withdrawal?

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:07 PM

10. Benghazi!! Trey Gowdy called

 

and he wants his false accusations back.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:08 PM

11. So very desperate.nt

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Response to sufrommich (Reply #11)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:48 PM

32. Good Democrats who are concerned about this ongoing FBI investigation

into Clinton's use of her unsecured, homebrew email server--are far from desperate.

What is desperate is those who suggest that sitting in the dark on this issue--and remaining completely clueless--is virtuous, wonderful behavior.

You don't want this issue discussed. That is warped.

It's our party too! I've been a Democrat my entire life. You don't think I have the right to raise questions or discuss openly that our current front runner and her use of an unsecured email server--are the subject of a year-long investigation?

Only in Hillaryworld does that make sense.

I appeal to every good Democrat--Do not allow this baloney to dissuade you from asking questions or researching about this topic. I looked into every Clinton scandal and found all of them to be baseless attacks. Including Benghazi. Not the email-server situation though. This is different.

If you can't admit in public how serious this is--At least do your own due diligence and start researching on your own and learning the facts. This is about our party, the future of our party--and an FBI investigation that could upend this election AND our party--and do grave damage for years! Be informed!!

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:15 PM

14. It is all about FOIA

... always has been.

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:23 PM

17. Wrong forum. n/t

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Response to demmiblue (Reply #17)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 12:52 PM

34. I disagree, respectfully

 

This is about hillary alone, and GD: P mods could claim it belongs in GD and lock it. I picked the forum that makes the most sense. This is not about bernie vs. hillary. It is solely about hillary

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Response to GummyBearz (Reply #34)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:12 PM

39. Then put it in the Hillary Clinton group.

No, wait, that won't work either.

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Response to JustABozoOnThisBus (Reply #39)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:22 PM

42. haha... no kidding

 

What a joker you are

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Response to GummyBearz (Original post)

Thu Apr 28, 2016, 01:35 PM

45. Locking after a review by forum hosts


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