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Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:14 PM

7 years!



And to think that the RWNJs were afraid that Obama was going to destroy America!

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Reply 7 years! (Original post)
MrScorpio Apr 2016 OP
Squinch Apr 2016 #1
Liberal_in_LA Apr 2016 #93
jimlup May 2016 #100
Squinch May 2016 #113
Hortensis May 2016 #109
Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #2
JustAnotherGen Apr 2016 #5
liberalnarb Apr 2016 #31
Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #35
libdem4life Apr 2016 #71
Buzz Clik Apr 2016 #73
libdem4life Apr 2016 #76
dchill May 2016 #102
libdem4life May 2016 #117
hay rick Apr 2016 #83
JDPriestly Apr 2016 #94
La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #48
Warren DeMontague May 2016 #106
La Lioness Priyanka May 2016 #115
uponit7771 May 2016 #119
spanone Apr 2016 #3
Andy823 Apr 2016 #4
liberalnarb Apr 2016 #36
Surya Gayatri May 2016 #107
fasttense May 2016 #111
Squinch May 2016 #114
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #6
MrScorpio Apr 2016 #7
yallerdawg Apr 2016 #9
rhett o rick Apr 2016 #15
Andy823 Apr 2016 #20
yallerdawg Apr 2016 #25
zeemike Apr 2016 #41
Skittles May 2016 #103
Hekate Apr 2016 #61
baldguy Apr 2016 #96
Skittles May 2016 #104
Surya Gayatri May 2016 #108
liberalnarb Apr 2016 #38
sheshe2 Apr 2016 #86
hfojvt Apr 2016 #40
1939 Apr 2016 #23
yuiyoshida Apr 2016 #37
1939 Apr 2016 #43
Ferd Berfel Apr 2016 #13
JI7 Apr 2016 #47
shanti Apr 2016 #56
Hekate Apr 2016 #63
sheshe2 Apr 2016 #87
betsuni Apr 2016 #51
Post removed Apr 2016 #84
rhett o rick May 2016 #101
BootinUp Apr 2016 #8
passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #27
BootinUp Apr 2016 #39
passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #45
sheshe2 Apr 2016 #88
passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #89
sheshe2 Apr 2016 #90
passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #91
hfojvt Apr 2016 #44
passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #46
hfojvt Apr 2016 #50
passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #53
hfojvt Apr 2016 #57
passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #60
hfojvt Apr 2016 #68
Rex Apr 2016 #10
rurallib Apr 2016 #11
lovemydog Apr 2016 #19
uponit7771 May 2016 #120
Politicub Apr 2016 #12
La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #49
Politicub Apr 2016 #52
La Lioness Priyanka Apr 2016 #54
FairWinds Apr 2016 #14
JoePhilly Apr 2016 #77
PatSeg Apr 2016 #16
passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #28
PatSeg Apr 2016 #64
passiveporcupine Apr 2016 #65
PatSeg Apr 2016 #75
Hekate Apr 2016 #66
PatSeg Apr 2016 #74
angrychair Apr 2016 #85
PatSeg Apr 2016 #97
George II Apr 2016 #17
Plucketeer Apr 2016 #18
Andy823 Apr 2016 #21
Plucketeer Apr 2016 #32
mountain grammy Apr 2016 #22
Hekate Apr 2016 #69
Surya Gayatri May 2016 #110
uponit7771 May 2016 #121
shireen Apr 2016 #24
PBass Apr 2016 #26
Gothmog Apr 2016 #29
Iggo Apr 2016 #30
SunSeeker Apr 2016 #33
JoePhilly Apr 2016 #79
ismnotwasm Apr 2016 #34
forest444 Apr 2016 #42
betsuni Apr 2016 #55
jillan Apr 2016 #58
jlarson Apr 2016 #59
Hekate Apr 2016 #62
alcibiades_mystery Apr 2016 #67
SusanLarson Apr 2016 #70
PowerToThePeople Apr 2016 #72
JoePhilly Apr 2016 #78
Soxfan58 Apr 2016 #80
Rosa Luxemburg Apr 2016 #81
ailsagirl Apr 2016 #82
Liberal_in_LA Apr 2016 #92
baldguy Apr 2016 #95
JEB Apr 2016 #98
GOPblows431 May 2016 #99
Warren DeMontague May 2016 #105
Madmiddle May 2016 #112
underpants May 2016 #116
Califonz May 2016 #118

Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:15 PM

1. Great graphic! I'm sick of the idiots who say the two parties are the same!

PS: Great to see your name. I haven't in a while.

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Response to Squinch (Reply #1)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:07 PM

93. Me too!

 

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Response to Squinch (Reply #1)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:36 AM

100. And also the idiots who

say that Obama has destroyed America and that they have to take it back and make it "great again."

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Response to jimlup (Reply #100)

Sun May 1, 2016, 08:39 AM

113. Yep. So many idiots, so little time!

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Response to Squinch (Reply #1)

Sun May 1, 2016, 06:57 AM

109. Same here.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:16 PM

2. Just a moment, please. I thought Obama was a neocon. A Third Way neoliberal. This doesn't add up.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:19 PM

5. Me too!

OP is shocking!

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:35 PM

31. No, but the TPP is a neo liberal deal.

 

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #31)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:41 PM

35. Nope. That's your definition.

 

The TPP has the potential to benefit every US resident in ever walk of life.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #35)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:17 PM

71. Especially the ones who live overseas. n/t

 

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Response to libdem4life (Reply #71)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:21 PM

73. ... but not the ones who live entirely in the artificial reality of their twisted minds.

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #73)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:24 PM

76. Strange reply. Have to parse that one a little extra. n/t

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #73)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:40 AM

102. You're SO sweet!

(for projection)

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Response to dchill (Reply #102)

Mon May 2, 2016, 01:24 AM

117. A tad over the top, don't you think? Whatevs. n/t

 

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #35)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:23 PM

83. LOL

It will be the "gold standard!" Now you've got me doing it.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #35)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:26 PM

94. How! Our other trade agreements have cost us good jobs (that have been replaced by

lousy ones) and caused our trade deficit to skyrocket.

Ah!!! I see the weasel words: "has the potential."

Meaningless. That is an empty statement. There is really nothing to back it up.

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Response to Buzz Clik (Reply #2)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:38 PM

48. I think every seven years democrats forget how shitty

 

Republican presidents really are, and in their mass amnesia make hysterical arguments that republicans and democrats are more or less the same.

This affected poor al gore in 2000, hope smarter and less hysterical heads will prevail this time around

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #48)

Sun May 1, 2016, 04:37 AM

106. My line is that Democratic Presidents generally disappoint me slightly whereas GOP ones invariably

manage to exceed my worst fears.

But I would say - honest, fair assessment - that Barack Obama has arguably been the best President of my lifetime.

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Response to Warren DeMontague (Reply #106)

Sun May 1, 2016, 10:29 AM

115. Living in a democracy is disappointing

 

Because almost fifty percent of the pop disagrees with you, and they cannot be ignored

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #48)

Mon May 2, 2016, 06:17 AM

119. +1

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:17 PM

3. K&R...

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:18 PM

4. Yes he did a great job

Yet we still see posts here on DU from those who say otherwise. They say he was a do nothing president, he was republican lite, he was just like Nixon, and all kinds of BS. We also see those same posters saying that Hillary will "continue" what Obama has done, and they say that is bad for the future. I don't know about anyone else, but I would love it if she "DID" continue to rule the same as Obama has. For some reason I just can't buy into what right wing trolls here keep spewing, and I can't understand why anyone would, unless of course they too were trolls!

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #4)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:42 PM

36. I don't think anyone on here is saying continuing what Obama has done would be a bad thing.

 

I think they may be saying that's not quite enough. That the American people need serious help.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #4)

Sun May 1, 2016, 06:36 AM

107. Couldn't have said it better...!

 

I don't know about anyone else, but I would love it if she "DID" continue to rule the same as Obama has.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #4)

Sun May 1, 2016, 07:31 AM

111. Yes those 10s of millions of us who never recovered from the crash

 

Feel that signing away our trading rights to multinational corporations is not helping the situation.

We unrecoverred feel that using a Democratic lame duck congress to extend the tax cuts to the rich is a ripoff from the middle class. That setting up a committee to gut Social Security is Not democratic. That not prosecuting bankers and Not bailing out people and cities, yet bailing out bankers and corporations is not helping us to recover. He could have been another FDR. But he chose not to.

I suspect pople who want the next president to be just like the current president are doing just fine economically. The rest of us, not so much.

I know you folks who worship Obama are going to jump on me but I'm not going to respond to you. This beautiful Sunday morning in my old age, I have to go work my 3rd job to put food on my table.

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Response to fasttense (Reply #111)

Sun May 1, 2016, 08:44 AM

114. So is the solution to sit out the presidential election and allow the White House to

go back to a Republican? Or are you waiting for the revolution to overthrow the government.

Either way, you are cutting off your own nose.

And, no, he couldn't be another FDR. He didn't have the Congress behind him. Because we didn't give it to him. Because Democrats don't vote in the off year elections, and we don't fund the down ticket races. So if you REALLY want a revolution, that is what you change.

But there is a faction of Sanders supporters who simply won't do that. They'll keep sitting on their asses and waiting for the revolution that will never come while they complain that there is a conspiracy against them.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:24 PM

6. You left off the 4,000 plus innocent people killed with drone strikes.

 

But I bet you can rationalize that away. They shouldn't have been in the same country with terrorist suspects.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:27 PM

7. Thanks for bringing a balanced perspective. nt

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Response to MrScorpio (Reply #7)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:41 PM

9. The Goldilocks "liberal" - no Democrat has ever been good enough.

FDR?

How many dead in indiscriminate Allied bombing of civilian targets?

Or is it FDR has a "different" standard?

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:09 PM

15. So what are insinuating? That we should only discuss the good things?

 

Why would you try to rationalize away what I believe is a war crime? Do you think these deaths are just collateral damage to a illegal process that is aimed at killing suspected, that's suspected, terrorists.

This has nothing to do with what FDR did or didn't do.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:55 PM

20. You need to

Understand that the man has done a good job. He has made mistakes, but when you and the same old anti Obama gang come in and ONLY post negative things about him, the party, and now Clinton, well one has to wonder what your real agenda really is.

I would be willing to bet that the same group of anti everything posters here would have gone after Bernie within 6 months when he couldn't get things done that they wanted done on day one.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:09 PM

25. The best thing to happen to the Sanders' legacy and "movement" ..

is to lose.

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:00 PM

41. Yep, us anti everything people want results not words.

But that is why we are different...the other side is satisfied with words.

A good job is relative...good for whom?
The ACA was good for the insurance industry but not poor people...TPP is great for corporations but a disaster for ordinary people.

Some people want to worship the leader and that is what this seems to be about. And for me that seems like a dangerous thing to do...to much like a cult.
I prefer critical thinking...and there is no shame in that.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #41)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:36 AM

103. I would like to see something between swooners and haters

also known as THE CRITICAL THINKERS

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #20)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:50 PM

61. I'd be willing to bet dollars to holes in donuts that within DAYS of a Sanders inauguration ...

...the new song would be "Where is the Love?" and his name would be mud.

Of course Obama got things done a lot faster than the old guy, because Obama was tossed under the bus within days of the vote count and long before the Inauguration.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #61)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:36 PM

96. Thankfully, there won't be a Sanders inauguration.

 

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Response to Hekate (Reply #61)

Sun May 1, 2016, 03:37 AM

104. I doubt Sanders would waste a couple years trying to play nice with repukes

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #20)

Sun May 1, 2016, 06:41 AM

108. Find myself agreeing with you all over the place, Andy! LOLOL!

 

...when you and the same old anti Obama gang come in and ONLY post negative things about him, the party, and now Clinton, well one has to wonder what your real agenda really is.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:45 PM

38. Bernie does support The Obama Drone Policy, rick.

 

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Response to liberalnarb (Reply #38)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:54 PM

86. Liberalnarb.

Thank you so much for posting that fact. Appreciated.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #15)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:59 PM

40. well in that perspective

How big is the "war crime" in the vast scheme of things? Does that war crime make the glass 1/2 full or 1/10th full or 1/100th full?

Why are those 4,000 lives so important to you? To me, they are very small in the big picture. 4,000 lives? Over seven years (or more?). There were 4,317 people murdered in just California, Texas and Florida in just 2009 alone. Take 10,000 a year for the whole country (it was 15,241 in 2009 so I am using a low estimate) and the total is 70,000 over seven years.

70,000 would seem to be much much larger than 4,000. So why should my hair be on fire over 4,000?

And is Al-Alwaki among the 4,000? Because I am still glad that he is dead.

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #9)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:02 PM

23. Japanese internment? NT

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Response to 1939 (Reply #23)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:44 PM

37. ouch..

n/t

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Response to yuiyoshida (Reply #37)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:21 PM

43. FDR and the sainted Earl Warren NT

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:00 PM

13. Correct and couple of addtional things

The unemployment figures used are U3 rather than the more accurate U6 (this is always the case) so the unemployment figure is actually much higher even for White People, but significantly higher for non-whites.

and

The jobs 'created' are mostly low pay, minimum wage service jobs rather than living wage jobs you can support yourself on.

John Willliams - generally more believable than BLS
http://www.shadowstats.com/

U3 vs U6
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/empsit.t15.htm


Recovery Has Created Far More Low-Wage Jobs Than Better-Paid Ones

from 2014 but you'll get the idea
http://www.nytimes.com/2014/04/28/business/economy/recovery-has-created-far-more-low-wage-jobs-than-better-paid-ones.html?_r=0

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:35 PM

47. Sanders supports the drone war

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Response to JI7 (Reply #47)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:20 PM

56. you have proof of this?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #63)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:57 PM

87. Thanks for the links Hekate!

Boom!

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #6)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:03 PM

51. "All of that and more" -- Bernie Sanders, when asked by Chuck Todd if he would use drones

or special forces in counter-terrorism. As president, he would use drones.

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Response to rhett o rick (Reply #6)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:39 AM

101. The number I've quoted has come under question. I quoted the number that

 

has been given by Sen Graham, a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee and a huge fan of Obama's drone killing. Other sources are more conservative but the kill ratio has been reported as from 30 to 100 innocent men, women and children killed for every single terrorist "suspect".

An analytically conservative Council on Foreign Relations tally assesses that 500 drone strikes outside of Iraq and Afghanistan have killed 3,674 people.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2014/nov/24/-sp-us-drone-strikes-kill-1147

US drone strikes could be classed as war crimes, says Amnesty International
http://www.theguardian.com/world/2013/oct/22/amnesty-us-officials-war-crimes-drones

Human Rights Watch and Amnesty International issued a pair of reports in October fiercely criticizing the secrecy that shrouds the administration’s drone program, and calling for investigations into the deaths of drone victims with no apparent connection to terrorism.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/01/23/obama-drone-program-anniversary_n_4654825.html

How can anyone wonder why Obama doesn't condemn the war crimes of the previous administration, when he is committing what some consider war crimes himself.

I wonder who gets to decide who dies by drone strikes.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:34 PM

8. Its certainly a good graphic, but I also like to imagine the bread lines that were avoided

due to his handling of the financial crisis.

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #8)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:15 PM

27. Yes, let's inject a little reality in this thread.

I agree that Obama has helped to save the countryfrom what would have been a much worse financial crisis, if a Republican was in the white house, and he has helped to build jobs.

but I still don't see where he has changed anything about the money in politics...it's much worse now than when he first started. He still has not pushed hard enough on green energy and stopping oil production, and he still has done nothing to change the fact that this country is an Oligarchy, with most profit going to the top while the middle class keeps slip sliding away.

Yes we have jobs, and some of them are good jobs with good pay and good bennies, but too many of them have changed from good manufacturing jobs with union pay and bennies to low income jobs (many service jobs) and many manufacturing plants have moved to the south (those that aren't moving overseas) and are hiring non-union at much lower wages.

I admire Obama very much and I know he has done what he could against the congress he was dealt with, and getting ACA was better than what we had before, but he's still not progressive enough for what this country needs, if we want to compete with the world. Our educational creds are also slip sliding away, yet kids from other countries still come here to go to college. We have good colleges, it's just that kids here can't afford them any more.

All this has gotten worse on Obama's watch. I'm not blaming him for all of it, but I'm not letting him off the hook for all of it either.

More than 16 million children in the United States – 22% of all children – live in families with incomes below the federal poverty level – $23,550 a year for a family of four. Research shows that, on average, families need an income of about twice that level to cover basic expenses. Using this standard, 45% of children live in low-income families.

Most of these children have parents who work, but low wages and unstable employment leave their families struggling to make ends meet.

http://www.nccp.org/topics/childpoverty.html


When you look at that chart you see our unemployment and uninsured rates have improived, but have they really? Or is it that the people are working multiple jobs to make ends meet (and still not making it) and many have just dropped out of the search for jobs because they are too old to be hired now, and too many of the "new insured" have insurance they still cannot afford to use.

We are the wealthiest country in the world and yet we have some of the lowest living standards and poverty and health rates for developed countries. We are spending too much on war and for-profit prisons and a screwed up justice system, and not enough on our own people.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:47 PM

39. quick takes on the issues you raise

money in politics - Obama came out forcefully against Citizens United decision. I think a review of that whole episode puts a good light on him actually.

jobs - I think Obama himself would agree with you and would very much prefered to do more. He has recently spoken about this if I am not mistaken. I give him a B+ on this issue. I would have liked to see a push for a bigger stimulus initially in '09, and also a more effective mid-term campaign.

things getting worse or better - Its not easy turning around a huge ship of state when it was as badly damaged as ours was in '09. I give him an A on turning it around just because he started in such a massive hole.

Child poverty - I am not an expert on this issue. I am not sure I have too much to say worth typing except that I believe Obama shares your concern and did everything he could to address it.

Progressive enough or Is Bernie's way better - I think this is the question you are raising. My take on this whole question is to ask whether the politician in question is able to gain enough support to actually change something. In a nutshell, I do not see Bernie building the support needed to enact the changes he promises and therefore, it is not the better way. Just my opinion.

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Response to BootinUp (Reply #39)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:32 PM

45. The problem with not enough support is who it comes from

Obama did not start a revolution of the people and then keep it going. He tried to work within the existing system, which he could not work with because of republican obstructionism.

Bernie knows he can't do anything great without us behind him, continuously pushing for the changes we want and need now. Bernie is truly leading a revolution, not thinking he can do it on his own.

Obama could have gotten more done with our help, but he dropped us. Not deliberately...but without thinking about what he really meant when he said "Yes We Can". It takes the WE to get anything done.

Considering everything, he got a lot done on his own, but not enough.



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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #45)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:11 PM

88. Yes, actually Obama did start the revolution.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/110232999


But that's how America works: we have no sense of history. We don't understand just how bad it was right before the 2008 election. In actuality, we were losing 700,000 jobs per month. Unemployment was twice what it was now. The Dow Jones Industrial Average was below 8,000. The financial industry had crashed the global economy and was seemingly continuing those very same actions as if nothing they had done was even wrong. Retirees were losing their life savings. Millennials were unable to find their first jobs and were being crushed by student debt. Our country was bogged down in two costly wars that were contributing to the deteriorating conditions and instability of the Middle East. While all this was going on, the rich in this country, seemingly unaffected by everything going on around them, continued to profit at record levels.


When it came time for him to run for president starting in 2007, Barack Obama did not run on a promise of revolution.

What he did run on was convincing millions of Americans that were was a better way to govern. That we were all in this together and that if enough Americans stood up and voiced their concerns then Washington, D.C. would be forced to listen. His soaring rhetoric was based upon the idea that through hope and change we could advance the mission of our founding fathers and get ever so closer to our perfect union. That was his pitch: not simply that he would go in and overturn nearly 220 years of constitutional governance but that he would advocate for a way to govern more effectively. By voicing their support for his candidacy, Barack Obama's supporters were confirming that they too, agreed that we needed a candidate whose policies and whose views on government would best provide a way to make our system run as it was intended to run.

And so in 2008, America made history with its resounding election of Barack Hussein Obama. It was such a decisive victory that even Fox News had trouble describing it: nearly 69.5 million popular votes, a 365-173 victory in the Electoral College, and the winning of nearly all swing states including Florida, Ohio, and even North Carolina. Even better was the fact that Democratic senators rode Obama's coattails and with the defection of Republican Arlen Specter of Pennsylvania and the delayed seating of Democrat Al Franken of Minnesota, Barack Obama found himself in April of 2009 of having a filibuster-proof Senate and a Democratically-controlled House. Here was his chance to enact a progressive wish-list with things like universal healthcare, a way to rebuild our crumbling infrastructure, an increased minimum wage, and free colleges and universities.

Does any of this sound familiar?

It should. Because it is the very same platform that now Senator Bernie Sanders is echoing for president. Yet despite this huge "wave" of enthusiasm that brought Barack Obama into the White House, he faced stiff opposition from not only Republicans, who vowed to make him a one-term president but also Blue Dog Democrats who felt Obama's "radical agenda" wasn't in the best interest of the American people. During a bitter and fought-out battle for the Affordable Care Act, not only did the landmark legislation not receive a single Republican vote from either the House or the Senate but Obama had to compromise on the legislation and even the idea of a public option was too much for certain Blue Dogs to swallow. The ACA that we now have in place passed after a nearly eight-month battle on Christmas Eve of 2009 with Obama needing all 60 votes in the Senate as well as having to fend off 34 Democrats who voted against the legislation in the House.


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The American people are living through a revolution. It is not a revolution from a seventy-four-year-old democratic socialist from Vermont. It is the revolution from a fifty-four-year-old biracial man from the south side of Chicago. A skinny man with large ears and a funny middle name who has put our country on the path to prosperity for decades to come. A man staked his presidency on providing affordable healthcare to tens of millions of people. A man whose actions staved off a second Great Depression despite the fact that these actions gave his opponents the ability to misinform the public and to retake Congress. A man who slowly and methodically worked with Congress to improve our crumbling infrastructure. A man whose very first bill was a bill to help protect women in the workplace. A man who has used the bully pulpit to advocate for higher wages and more affordable college. A man who has done all this despite having two of history's least productive Congresses since 2010.






Read More: http://www.thepeoplesview.net/main/2016/2/24/its-all-been-done-how-barack-obama-already-achieved-bernie-sanders-revolution

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Who is going to fly in on BS coattails? No one, he refuses to even raise money for them.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #88)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:28 PM

89. The revolution started before Obama. I think the real revolution

started with Occupy wall street. Then Obama picked up on it and it carried him to victory, but instead of keeping the grassroots base powered up to put the pressure on congress, he tried to do it through his usual method of working with recalcitrant people. He is very much an organizer who can bring people together, but what he wasn't counting on was the hatred from the right that a black man was in the white house, and their constant obstructionism seriously limited what he was able to accomplish. He did amazingly well on some things, just through his own tenacity, but as the years went by, congress became more and more obstructionist. They were seriously pissed when he won a second term.

What he really needed, and what we should have kept up on our own, was a grass roots powered revolution that pushed congress to act and cooperate with Obama. And I think we could have done it. If enough people tell congress to do the will of the people or lose their jobs, they will get scared...especially if they don't see us backing down.

But we didn't stay in formation and that is what we needed to do. We need a leader to keep us together and that is what Bernie is trying to be for us.

Our young people get it. It's us older fogeys who need to stand up and fight for a change. Not something we are very good at.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #89)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:45 PM

90. Obama did far more that he is given credit for.

I'll go find the list if you wish, it is huge and most of us don't know half of what he accomplished. The dreaded Peoples View has an excellent one.

As for the young ones, I will fight tooth and nail for them. However sorry, they just don't vote. They may go to the rallies, yet they can't get off there ass to vote. So they will not be there for the revolution either. Please show me polls that show a huge youth turn out for BS. I haven't seen it.

Thanks passiveporcupine.



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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #90)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 09:59 PM

91. I know Obama has accomplished a lot

I'm not one of the people here who give him no credit. But he got handed a lot of shit too and it would have been really nice if he had just had a normal congress to deal with.

I'm afraid "normal" and "congress" are two words that we won't be seeing in tandem for a long time. I'm so ticked off at congress I could scream.

Take care and I hope your spring is lovely.

PP

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #27)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:25 PM

44. most of the income is NOT going to the top

unless you broaden the definition of "top". The top 10% gets 50% of the national income. The top 1% only gets 20%. http://www.democraticunderground.com/10023937994

As far as what we spend money on. I am guessing that our country spends billions on tattoos and more billions on coffee. Yep, $1.6 billion. http://www.statisticbrain.com/tattoo-statistics/

$13.6 billion on coffee. http://www.coffeereview.com/americans-spending-more-on-coffee/

We spend a lot more than that on public schools, libraries, universities, and parks.

I mention coffee though, because a local hospital is having a health fair, and for some reason they think they need to give away free coffee at it, so I had to make the damned coffee. There always seems to be free coffee. Staff meeting? Free coffee. Customer appreciation day was yesterday, the sign said "enjoy a free cup of coffee in the lobby".

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #44)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:34 PM

46. Sorry, I should have said profit, not income. n/t

We don't even call all of it income...we call some of the CEO pay "benefits" so they don't have to pay as much in taxes.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #46)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:59 PM

50. you did say profit

but why should profit be more relevant than income?

Well, benefits too. That may be harder to measure, and that is true through the whole economy. My co-worker gets the benefit of $135.80 per month paid to his health insurance. We both get the benefit of paid vacations, paid holidays, and paid sick leave. We both get the benefit of our employer paying 6% of our salary into our retirement (we pay another 6% but then do not pay income taxes on that portion of our pay) and paying 7.65% for FICA taxes in our name.

I am betting that the bottom 90% still gets more of that than the top 0.1% does, but I am not sure where I would find data.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #50)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:14 PM

53. Well we aren't talking normal bennefits here

The CEO's still get those. The bennies I am talking about are the millions in stock options they get so it doesn't need to be included in their millions in income. Not the same thing as the benefits we get. And the profit for the top comes mostly from stocks and dividends and sources that are not taxed like income. The profit of our corporations goes primarily to the top in this country. Very few of us peons have much in the way of stock and dividends. Not compared to the top who are the owners, CEO's, Board of Directors, etc. who always own most of the shared in the business.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #53)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:33 PM

57. any capital gains they get from that, and dividends

would be included in their income. (Not sure what their basis would be for a sale though - zero? or the price of the stock when they got it?)

I know the rich own most of the stocks, but I am not sure how pension funds figure into that picture. Or banks either. My credit union, for example, has $50 million in "investments" which is separate from the $52 million it has in loans. Of course, I am not sure how the $94 million in deposits is divided up, and 10.6 million of that is checking accounts (and how permanent is that money?) do 10% of the members have 60% of the total? I have about $70,000 in there (mostly retirement accounts) and that seems like a lot of money to me, but it is only 0.07% of the total.

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Response to hfojvt (Reply #57)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:45 PM

60. capital gains are taxed at a much lower rate than income n/t

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #60)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:23 PM

68. and so are dividends

I know

I have been blasting Obama for that for years. He's the one who made that portion of the Bush tax cuts permanent and called that a victory.

Oddly enough, they are taxed at a lower rate for me too. I had $328 in dividends in 2014 which were taxed at a zero percent rate. Had $457.75 in dividends in 2015 but didn't save anything because the Retirement savings contribution credit (line 51) already knocked my taxes down to zero. In 2014 I ended up paying $1,375 in taxes on $30,493.27 in income. A 4.5% tax rate, which is higher than the average for those in the bottom 50%.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:44 PM

10. Sarcastic comment about DU followed by emoji.

 

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 12:50 PM

11. The Uninsured rate under Bush is deceptive

Up until the ACA, even if you had insurance it was very iffy that insurance would cover you in a time of need. Thus even people with insurance, so called "good" insurance, went bankrupt due to medical bills.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #11)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:43 PM

19. k & r!

Millions more insured and it's now illegal to deny anyone insurance because of a preexisting condition.

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Response to rurallib (Reply #11)

Mon May 2, 2016, 06:21 AM

120. +1

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:00 PM

12. He made a promise to the gay community that he would do right by us

And he certainly kept his word. Gay liberation is part of a longer movement. But Obama helped speed things up by not defending DOMA, getting rid of DADT, and so much more.

Marriage equality - amazing it passed during my lifetime.

There's a lyric from one in the songs from Hamilton: How lucky we are to be alive right now.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #12)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:40 PM

49. I was skeptical about this when Obama picked warren

 

For his inauguration, but Obama was a great president for us. I was wrong to be skeptical.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #49)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:12 PM

52. I had forgotten about that name.

I remember feeling disappointed about him being selected for the inaugural. That went away pretty fast.

In his second inaugural he connected women getting the right to vote, the civil rights movement and gay rights - From Seneca Falls to Selma to Stonewall.

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Response to Politicub (Reply #52)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:14 PM

54. Yup, as I said I was totally wrong to be skeptical

 

I think it was ok for me to criticize the choice of warren but OTT to assume that meant he doesn't care about sexual and gender minorities

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:02 PM

14. How about an honest assessment, and not one that would make a fawn blush . .

 

the Obama Dept. of Education appears to be a cesspool of corruption
that allows and even encourages private interest profiteering at the
expense of our young people.

The war on whistleblowers . .

Claiming (and exercising) the right to execute American citizens
without trial.

These, and others, are unforced errors.

I could go on . .

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Response to FairWinds (Reply #14)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:26 PM

77. Don't go on ...

... go away.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:19 PM

16. Just imagine what he could have done

with a cooperative congress. There could have been many more well paying jobs if Congress would have worked with the President on infrastructure and green energy. Those who blame Obama for the increase in low paying jobs need to direct their criticism to a republican congress who is determined that this president does not succeed.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:22 PM

28. It would also help if he were a progressive.

I thought he was, based on his first platform in 2004. I was wrong. He's still far better than a republican, but he's not what this country really needed (another FDR). I'm still glad he was our President because he's a good man and has done some very good things, and he was the best that was running at the time.

Now it's time for a new FDR.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #28)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:02 PM

64. I think at his core,

Obama the man is more progressive than Obama the politician, but that is just a hunch. I think he's done what he thought he could do and even when he was being "moderate", he was hindered by the republicans. If he'd had the congress that FDR had, I'm quite sure he would have been much more progressive. Meanwhile, I can only hope that the more progressive side of Obama would have opposed the TPP - that one really bothers me.

If you want a new FDR, you need a new congress! We need to put more of our energy into down ticket races. While Dems put so much focus on presidential elections, the republicans quietly win congressional seats and state/local positions. They aren't always as stupid as they look or they are just maddeningly persistent.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #64)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:18 PM

65. the most important thing that needs to be done

is one of Bernie's highest priorities. Get the money out of politics.

If money didn't drive politics, the republicans wouldn't be able to pull as much crap as they do, and the dems wouldn't be as weak as they are. Right now there are people in all parties who are fed up with the status quo...they want to see this econmic picture turned around.

And if money weren't driving politics, apathy wouldn't play such a big part in our failures. Young people want to see change, but too many of them have just given up trying (until a real revolution comes along, which they can sink their teeth into)...that's why Bernie is so popular with the youth. He's talking about getting the money out of politics. He's the only one who is.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #65)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:50 PM

75. Yes

Getting money out of politics is vital to the future of our country, though that money is not leaving easily. I'm not sure it is even possible short of a real revolution.

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Response to passiveporcupine (Reply #28)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:21 PM

66. FDR is one of my heroes, but FDR was not God.The rewrite of history on FDR could get to be as bad...

...as the rewrite of Ronald Reagan by the GOP if we are not careful.

My mother was an anomaly in many ways. She was deeply scarred by growing up in the Great Depression, in which her father lost his business and went on the road to work for the CCC. She admired FDR, but she had to think her way past her father's anti-Semitism ("Rooosenfelt" etc.). The KKK was active in Colorado when she was growing up there, and they hated the Roman Catholics (her family, in other words) about as much as the Jews and the African Americans, so that also gave her a lot to think about.

She admired FDR for all the good things he did, but here's one thing she taught me when I was still in grade school: he interned the Japanese Americans, and while it doesn't negate the good he did, that was an un-American and horrifying thing to do. Ditto turning away a boatload of Jewish refugees.

People are not all one thing. My heroes are not plaster saints, which is why I can look at Thomas Jefferson, FDR, and Margaret Sanger and see their flaws but still call them my heroes.

Thanks for the kind words about President Obama, but in many respects the time shapes the leader. Obama's country has been very different from FDR's.

FDR took charge during a time of mass despair. He had a willing Congress. The country was still working its way out of the Depression when Pearl Harbor was attacked; suddenly the America Firsters were pretty much silenced and the rest of the country unified. Gearing up for a mechanized war gave jobs to millions of men and women, and millions of men were drafted into the Army -- coincidentally solving the unemployment problem.

Different times, different leaders.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #66)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:46 PM

74. That was very well said

FDR is also one of my heroes, but like you, my admiration is realistic and I am very aware of his flaws. I feel that he was the perfect president for that time and had he held office at a different time in history, he might have been relatively forgettable. I am in awe of what he did accomplish and as such, I am forgiving of his shortcomings.

As for President Obama, I feel certain that history will be very kind to him. Sometimes we can't see all that is happening until some time has passed. "Can't see the forest for the trees", so to speak.

By the way, MY father talked about FDR as well, but he really couldn't stand the man, so I came to my opinion on my own over the years.

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Response to PatSeg (Reply #16)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:46 PM

85. Why is congress like that though??

Ask the DNC. Nationwide, counting state and federal offices, Democrats have lost roughly a 1,000 seats to teapublicans. I largely blame DWS but feel PBO should have replaced her long ago.

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Response to angrychair (Reply #85)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:42 PM

97. Oh definitely

Worse DNC chair ever. How incompetent does one have to be before they are fired? She couldn't be any worse if she was a republican spy. I think she has a "50 state strategy" to lose to republicans.

Also, shouldn't a DNC chair be a full-time occupation, not some extracurricular activity?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:38 PM

17. It's been an excellent two terms for President Barack Obama.....

Imagine if they didn't obstruct him every chance they got?

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:38 PM

18. "And to think that the RWNJs were afraid that Obama was going to destroy America!"

 

He HAS - to hear therm tell it!

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Response to Plucketeer (Reply #18)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 01:59 PM

21. Don't forget about some of the

Left wing nut jobs. They have been agains him from day one for some reason, and they continue to this day to deny that he was a great president. Of course maybe thy are really "right wing nut jobs" pretending to be left wing nut jobs!

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Response to Andy823 (Reply #21)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:37 PM

32. Well - truth be told

 

I don't say "great" and Obama's name in the same sentence. He might be great for the stock market, but he's done ZIP for labor.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:01 PM

22. President Obama has more than lived up to my expectations..

mainly because I recognized from the beginning, he was more moderate than me, but he won me with his opposition the Iraq war and his message of hope. That said, progress I expected, and progress we got. We also got 8 years of a scandal free administration, a first family we can be proud of, an improved economy, and new hope for many. My worst nightmare is what America would look like today if McCain had won in 2008 or Romney in 2012.

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #22)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:24 PM

69. +1

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #22)

Sun May 1, 2016, 06:58 AM

110. Well said, mg...

 

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Response to mountain grammy (Reply #22)

Mon May 2, 2016, 06:22 AM

121. +1

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:07 PM

24. Spectacular!

shove that in the face of Rethuglicans who accuse us of spending too much.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:13 PM

26. Yes, but what has he ACCOMPLISHED? (sarcasm) NT

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:29 PM

29. I am proud and happy that this man in our President

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:34 PM

30. Kick. (n/t)

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:39 PM

33. The fact is Obama saved America.

He certainly saved my brother's life with Obamacare.


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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #33)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:28 PM

79. + 1 ... my neice too.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 02:40 PM

34. K&R

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 03:05 PM

42. Great thread. Really sums it up.

Scorpios are known for getting right to the chase. And once again, we were not disappointed.

(we wordy Libras could take a page from your book)

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:15 PM

55. K&R!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:34 PM

58. Barack Obama was the right President at the right time.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:39 PM

59. great

yes, he is always the adult in the room, love that!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 04:52 PM

62. Nice to see you. That's a great graphic.

Damn I am going to miss Barack Obama something fierce.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:22 PM

67. Best president of my lifetime...it's not even a close question

 

President Barack Hussein Obama!

Thank you, Mr. President!



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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 05:55 PM

70. Unemloyment numbers are total BS

 

The number only counts new fillings, and also ignores the long term unemployed and those who have given up looking. The real unemployment rate is somewhere between 11% to 24%

For the young and older workers jobs are almost impossible to find.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 06:20 PM

72. It has gotten better in many ways

 

I will certainly give him props.

There are still many issues that have not or have become worse, I will still call out those areas.

That is what progress requires.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:27 PM

78. Obama will end up in the top tier of all Presidents.

To the gnashing of RW teeth, and sadly ... some far LW teeth too.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 07:41 PM

80. I swear

I thought a republican said on TV the country was heading down the tubes with this horrible man Obama. They must have been mistaking.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:15 PM

81. I still think Obama is lovely!

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Response to Rosa Luxemburg (Reply #81)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 08:18 PM

82. Me too, Rosa!!

I wish he weren't leaving-- he's been exceptional!!!

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:07 PM

92. The fool, larry elder, says its weakest recovery ever. Cant stand to see a black man succeed

 

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 10:34 PM

95. And there are those who would like to erase it all & start from scratch.

 

Only some of whom call themselves Republicans.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sat Apr 30, 2016, 11:53 PM

98. Could have been a lot worse.

 

I ain't eating cat food yet.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 12:30 AM

99. We've certainly come a long way over those years

 

It's a shame there are plenty of people in this country who are eager to reverse these changes. Pathetic.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 04:34 AM

105. "Destroy America"? Fuck, I only wish I'd had some liquid cash to put in the stock market early 2009.

America was already fairly well destroyed after the last guy got through with it.


I am very proud of this President and his record of accomplishments.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 08:05 AM

112. We're supposed to believe these numbers mean anything to people.

 

We are, right now, living under the regime of the most corrupt government of all time. So, these numbers, which are low balled to show that the problems we talk about are not so bad. They're a joke. We have jobs that do not pay anywhere near enough to live on. A GDP that doesn't reflect how pathetic manufacturing has become. An uninsured rate that doesn't count peoples' actual coverage, which means most peoples deductables are astronomical. I could go on but it's to depressing.

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Sun May 1, 2016, 11:02 AM

116. Great graphic

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Response to MrScorpio (Original post)

Mon May 2, 2016, 02:28 AM

118. Is there still time to repeal the 22nd Amendment?

 

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