Van Jones says Trump will win, unless...PLEASE everybody watch this!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

Last edited Tue May 3, 2016, 05:54 PM - Edit history (1)

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7800368

Go to this post and you will see the link to the video




It is 13 minutes about how GOP took him for granted, week after week saying

he cant win, wont win. But he kept winning, and winning, and winning.

Etc.

It sounds the warning of complacency and in a way that really makes sense.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

1. Dont know if I am allowed to bump my own thread.

EVERYBODY on this board needs to watch this.

[Bucky]

59. Thank you for loving your country enough to bump this. More people need to view it

[Jackie Wilson Said]

85. THanks

[sense]

2. If you think it's important for people to watch,

you'll have to supply more info. I'm
tired of posts just asking me to click (even though it's on this site), and the poster can't be bothered to give any info.

[Tommy_Carcetti]

3. Yeah, I don't do the whole clickbait thing. As explained by my post here:

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1018287051

[Jackie Wilson Said]

5. Not even of Van Jones?

[JHB]

9. Not Van Jones, not Van Johnson, not Van Halen, not Van Williams...

...not Van Morrisin, not Van Helsing, not Dick van Dyke, not Vincent van Goth, not one damn Van.


If it's worth listening to, the it's worth writing a few teeeesy words on what it's about.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

10. I did, in the very first post.

This is about Van Jones, who I assume you all know, sounding a warning about taking the election for granted

[JHB]

11. A teeeensy bit more please. More like "brief summary"

[Jackie Wilson Said]

12. 13 minutes about how GOP took him for granted, week after week saying

he cant win, wont win. But he kept winning, and winning, and winning.

Etc.

It sounds the warning of complacency and in a way that really makes sense.

[JHB]

15. Thank you...

...because unless you want to pay for my data plan, it's going to be a few hours before I can watch it.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

16. LOL, i get it. I truly am here on this board for one purpose, to prevent GOP

from power whether that be WH or wherever.

So if I post something that is inaccurate or whatever, just tell me and I will fix.

[JHB]

48. Watched it, thanks for posting...

...but please, always take the trouble to give a little information in posts. It's not like there were any spoilers involved.

We're barraged by "ZOMG, you have to see this!" emails, posts, and other junk (I'm looking at you, posters of "TURN ON MSNBC RIGHT NOW!" OPs ), so a little substance is always a plus.

[demmiblue]

6. Shoot, there is a poster who spams several groups on DU with blind links leading to his own forum.

The title of the hidden links would cause someone to believe that they are being sent to an actual news story/site, not some dumbasses forum that has like 3 active members.

Annoying as all get out.

[Codeine]

90. Ha!

[Jackie Wilson Said]

4. FB video of Van Jones...do you know who he is?

http://www.vanjones.net/

[Harmony Blue]

7. Van Jones is an intellegient man

I have echoed similar concerns in a thread earlier today.

Instead, I was attacked for pointing out the obvious. If the Democratic party wants to go on cruise control while Trump keeps hammering his anti trade stance it is going to be a big problem when Nov rolls around.

[Kall]

8. Seriously.

It's like hitting the accelerator on a road to a cliff, and disregarding every flashing warning light along the way. Even if the Clinton campaign tried to hit the brakes, it wouldn't be viewed with any credibility - not after her record of the last 20 years, and years spent selling the TPP as the "gold standard".

[Jackie Wilson Said]

13. YOu are confused. Van is a liberal and would not compare Hillary to any GOP because

to do so is absurd.

[Kall]

17. I don't even know what that's supposed to mean

or where you think I said it. The problem that the Clinton campaign has is that in an election centered around wage and economic discontent, they're walking breezily into a campaign where Donald Trump has a more publicly resonant message on free trade than Hillary Clinton of "the TPP is the gold standard" fame, and she can't take a different position without looking ridiculous based on her history. Her effort to say she was against the TPP last October was utterly unconvincing, based on her advocacy of it, and her record.

The Democratic Party has been passing these free trade deals against the wishes of the vast majority of the actual voters who actually make up their party for decades. Even now, Obama is saying he's determined to make the TPP part of his "legacy", even though he only secured passage of fast track authority to negotiate it with a precious few Democratic legislators (on his 2nd try) and a vast majority of Republican ones. Like Bill Clinton with NAFTA.

Well, Republican voters (not to be confused with Republican political figures) have shown that they're not fans of free trade either - it's the theme that Donald Trump hammers most heavily at his campaign events. Maybe that won't be enough to overcome Donald Trump's other problems, but in an election where most people haven't felt part of the "economic recovery" of the last 8 years, I wouldn't want to gamble on it.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

14. The way I figure it is between his appeal, as disgusting as that is, and election fraud

by preventing millions of POC and students from voting, he can win.

[basselope]

18. He's right and its the reason the democrats can't win with Hillary.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

19. Nope, wrong again. But if you want that, then that is what you want.

[basselope]

20. It is what it is.

She has no viable path to victory.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

21. No, it is what some must want because they keep saying it even though it is not true.

But I know why.

I do.

[basselope]

22. It's a fact.

She has no viable path.

She can't win Florida, Ohio, North Carolina or Virginia.

She has NO PATH to victory.

Deal with it.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

23. Not according to ALL pollsters, but you keep saying it and you may get your wish

[basselope]

24. Not according to the pollsters you are reading.

Others disagree.

But, you are living in the bubble and afraid of reality.

She has no viable path.

None.

Sorry, but she will never be president.

If the democrats select her, we will have to endure 4 years of Trump.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

25. Again, not according to anybody anywhere near any level of politics, but in your mind

and that of those who want a GOP presidency.

[basselope]

26. Stop projecting and accept reality.

She has no path.

She can't win Florida, she can't win Ohio, she can't win North Carolina.. probably can't win Wisconsin either.

She has no viable path. Anyone with ANY political knowledge can tell you.

[Egnever]

28. You must be smoking something excellent

Florida just for example of how completely full of crap you are.

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/2016_presidential_race.html

[basselope]

31. LOL

Tell that to Dukakis.

Polling is MEANINGLESS right now and you know it.

There is a reality of turnout that is necessary.

Clinton won't get it.

She has no viable path.

[Egnever]

40. So you are basing your nonsense on what?

[basselope]

47. Reality

[Egnever]

64. LOL nice troll man

I will give you that.

[basselope]

66. It's not trolling when it is true.

Just trying to save your form yourselves.

[Egnever]

68. True but then you can't point to a single thing that would suggest it is.

[basselope]

70. I have actually pointed to many and supplied you with a map.

[Egnever]

72. Must have missed that by all means link this map.

[basselope]

73. *SIGH*

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7801221

[Egnever]

74. That map is fantasy

The only one of the states you list that is even close enough to steal is Ohio. Clinton is ahead in all the rest by double digits and the general campaign hasn't even started yet where trump will actually be onstage with someone who opposes his agenda not agrees with most of it.

[basselope]

77. LMAO!

Tell that to Reagan and Bush

The map is accurate, bookmark it and see.

Clinton has no chance in Florida, no chance in North Carolina, no chance in Arizona a "TINY" chance in VA (but not likely).

Trump, sadly, will destroy her on the debate stage, b/c she is restrained by her endless hypocrisy.

[nadinbrzezinski]

89. Let them be.

The day after the election they might wake up.

I said my piece. Many in both upper level national and international press agree she is a weak candidate. You can only bring the horse to water, but horses, or in this case donkeys, do refuse to drink it.

Myself...will not particularly enjoy the show, but it is the only show in town.

[DeltaLitProf]

37. No viable path?

Would you care to tell me how Trump shaves off enough women and minorities to stave off defeats in those states (and potentially Arizona and New Mexico)?

[basselope]

38. Doesn't need to.

Amazing how clueless people are.

The voter suppression efforts that have been put in place in Arizona, Florida, Ohio, North Carolina and Wisconsin do that FOR HIM. All he needs is low voter turnout from the dems, the type that Clinton inspires.

[Harmony Blue]

42. Watch the video with Van Jones

he lays it out perfectly.

[Egnever]

75. No he really doesn't

The general and the primaries are not the same thing. His logic is flawed from the beginning when he makes assumptions based on primary performance.

[TM99]

76. Exactly.

I see the same thing.

And frankly PA may be up for grabs as well.

It may be a bit of a squeaker but she won't win it especially without the independents she and her supporters have alienated.

[basselope]

78. Its really amazing to me that people can't see it, when it is so clear.

[TM99]

79. They are either afraid to see

it or don't want to see it.

History is replete sadly with plenty of such examples.

[Egnever]

27. What a pantload

Please map out how trumps wins... There are multiple paths for Hillary or any dem for that matter. Trump has almost no viable path.

[basselope]

30. Joking right?

The map is quite easy.

You have several states (Florida, North Carolina, Wisconsin, Ohio) that have been preparing for this moment for years, setting up greater and greater blockades to voting for democrats. Voting in the GOP neighborhoods.. easy, Democratic neighborhoods.. not so much.

The ONLY way to combat these encumbrances is an OVERWHELMING democratic turnout AND independents voting for the democratic candidate.

Clinton does not inspire turnout, nor does she have a chance with independents. Even Obama lost independents in 2012.

http://www.270towin.com/maps/az2X0

Wisconsin could go either way, b/c the senate race may inspire enough people to turnout, but you don't have that luxury in Florida.. I am gifting PA to Clinton, but that will be a battle she won't likely win b/c of her support for NAFTA.

She doesn't have a path.

[stevenleser]

33. Nope and its easy to see why you are wrong. EarlG posted a pic just a day or two ago for starters

illustrating one big reason:



Mitt Romney captured an unprecedented amount of white voters. 62%.

Trump can't improve on that number much. And Trump is losing the latino vote by 20% more than Romney lost it. Romney lost big because he got only 27% of the Latino vote. Trump is polling in single digits with Latinos. He is doing worse than Romney with women. He is doing about as bad as Romney did with African Americans and Jews.

There is no path to 270 electoral votes for Trump. The demographics are terribly against him and those above groups voters who say they wont vote for Trump have a VERY negative opinion of him.

[basselope]

35. LOL.

So meaningless, because there is too much time.

Trump's numbers can be fluid, because of the amount of time left.. Clinton has no such luxury.

She has no viable path to victory.

But... stay in that bubble. Just don't cry too much when it bursts.

[DeltaLitProf]

39. How do you expect Trump to double his appeal to Hispanics in 6 months?

By releasing beautiful mock-ups of the wall he wants Mexico to pay for (or else face war)?

Hah hah hah hah hah hah hah.

[stevenleser]

46. Yeah, that person revealed they really don't know much about politics with

what they wrote there.

[basselope]

51. Sorry the truth hurts.

[stevenleser]

56. You clearly don't know what the truth is. Nt

[basselope]

60. Sadly, I do.

[basselope]

50. Doesnt need to double

Doesn't even need to improve it much at all given the suppression that's already in place

[stevenleser]

57. Your subject is right. He would need to triple it. nt

[basselope]

61. Sadly, no.

[stevenleser]

45. Nope. Unfavorables are very difficult to move. If you knew anything about politica

You would know that.

[basselope]

52. laughably false.

[stevenleser]

58. Nope, completely factual. nt

[basselope]

62. Sorry, no.

Ask Reagan.

[Jackie Wilson Said]

86. Those who are here to spread an agenda from you know where aside, Van makes

great points that we need to listen to.

You know as well as I do that after the SC Jive of Five gutted the voting rights act, millions of POC and students were kicked off the voting rolls.

They are still off, because of the twisted fascists new laws and the reduction by the thousands of polling places.

True that Trump and GOP cant win the election, they can steal it though and this is a real issue.

[LanternWaste]

91. You place great faith in your creative prophecies

You place great faith in your creative prophecies. 'Magical thinking' I believe is the colloquialism. Or maybe it's merely your bias... either way-- very creative indeed.

[basselope]

94. No, just facts and analysis from outside the bubble.

[Egnever]

29. Van Jones is hoping to sell you a horse race for 6 months

He is either a complete idiot or he is selling you a line of crap

[Harmony Blue]

44. No! Van Jones is saying that the presidential race isn't over

till Nov. If you assume victory now, then Trump will win.

[pnwmom]

49. Nobody is assuming anything. Hillary and the Dems know we have to work very hard to win. n/t

[Egnever]

65. Based on what?

[Jackie Wilson Said]

87. Based on the millions of POC and students who wont be allowed to vote...the millions

of votes that will be intentionally miscounted and the thousands of polling places closed, purposely, to prevent voting.

Based on the ignorance of the voting public, believing Drumpf is an outsider who cares about them.

Based on the history of the last 9 months watching Drumpf win over and over and over and over again when he was supposed to lose EVERY TIME

and more

[JHB]

54. Nah, he's just saying it ain't over 'til it's over...

...and that if we get complacent we could lose it.

I'll just add:
Besides, even if a win were guaranteed, there's still no reason to back off. CRUSH THEM. Hand them losses on par with '72 or '84. Worse, if we can manage it.

[Egnever]

67. Who said back off?

That doesn't change the math or the reality of the situation at all.

Sure if everyone stayed home in november it is not impossible Trump would win. Having said that given all of the variables stacked against him that he himself with his campaign creates (minority and women vote issues to name a couple) his chances of any pof that happening are so small as to be non existent. He is so reviled by the majority of the nation people will come out just to vote against him and he is doing his best to ensure that number gets higher every day.

Don't forget Dems have not even started General election mode yet. The adds against him have barely even begun.

This will be the biggest blowout in electoral history. If we should be worried about anything it should be that the Dems will take the huge win they are about to be handed as a justification for their current course instead of taking the to heart what Bernie is showing them that there is a large portion of the Dem base that is not happy with the direction they are going.

That is what I worry about. Trump is nothing but a morbid curiosity.

[doc03]

32. A Democrat that if waking up to reality at last, I agree 110%. I didn't

hear any real strategy to beat Trump though. I read posts here every day that Trump can't possibly win BULLSHIT.
Wake the hell up that's what all those Republicans thought.

[Harmony Blue]

43. It is too late it seems as they have bought the media

narrative that Trump can't win. Meanwhile Trump mocks the media and gains momentum for Nov.

[0rganism]

34. yes, the Democrats could throw this opportunity away if excessive optimism reduces preparation

just because we have the makings of a major wave election doesn't mean we've got the mindset to bring it to fruition, and meanwhile Trump is motivating people in the Rust Belt states to vote for him because he's rich and different. there is a danger.

the Democratic nominee, and his/her campaign staff, will absolutely need to be prepared for a social media war on a vast scale. i don't think there's anything we can do about the "reality TV" angle except not play his game, as Trump has the experience on that field.

getting the Democratic runner up to actively back the Democratic nominee will be absolutely essential if we're going to win big like we can this year.

[doc03]

36. Amazing a post trying to wake Democrats up to the fact Trump is

going to be very hard to beat and it turns into a Hillary and Bernie trashing thread.

[Skittles]

83. they make me sick

all of them

[DeltaLitProf]

41. Good stuff. Very necessary to say this.

And if the polls show too wide a blowout occurring in the days leading to the election, the motivation will need to switch to the prospect of a wave election beating back nihistic, tea-party conservatism for years to come.

[Agnosticsherbet]

53. Van Jones is right. We need to unite and fight to beat Trump.

[Bucky]

55. I was making a similar argument earlier today. He's got growth potential and Clinton just doesn't

Van Jones is smarter than me and said it better, but I agree 100%.

Trumpzilla

[w4rma]

63. Which is what us Bernie supporters have been trying to tell you supporters of the most unfavorable

potential Democratic nominee and the weakest one, in my lifetime. There is still time to dump Clinton and beat Trump. Sanders will beat Trump in a landslide if we let him.

[Skittles]

81. WHY are you so sure Bernie could beat Trump

I know people to this day who don't really know who Bernie is

[w4rma]

82. It is a fact, that the better Bernie Sanders is known the more folks like him.

IT is also a fact, that the better Clinton is known the LESS folks like her.

And, if you don't believe me, then look at their favorable/unfavorable charts:
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/bernie-sanders-favorable-rating
http://elections.huffingtonpost.com/pollster/hillary-clinton-favorable-rating

Also, Sanders is considered to be ridiculously HONEST by the electorate. That means that folks will listen to him and believe what he says.

Clinton, on the other hand, is considered to be ridiculously DISHONEST by the electorate. That means that folks have already tuned anything she says out.

Also, Clinton is strongly despised by independent voters. While Sanders is beloved by them.
http://www.wsj.com/articles/independents-are-souring-on-hillary-clinton-1462310510#:YzHHs3YWgGOWIA

[Skittles]

84. the WSJ

omg

[nadinbrzezinski]

88. Imagine this. Up is down. But the more conservative press

Has been more ahem honest this season, because Trump scares their pants off. On the bright side, Dems will get reinforcements on their right flank. The chamber of commerce types will come to their new home, the Donkeys, and since the donkeys keep telling progressives to buzz off...I guess that is a good thing.

[Katashi_itto]

69. Damn. This is awful.

But she's inevitable. Clintonistas say we have nothing to worry about.

[Egnever]

71. He losses it at the very beginging

when he says the reasoning is the same as the reasoning that said he couldn't win the Republican nomination.

Completely wrong headed not nearly the same thing.

He is king of the clowns. There was no good choice or even reasonable choice on the republican side. To a man every single candidate was deeply flawed.

Not so in the general.

Good lord the more of it I listen to the more I wonder why this guy is discussing politics at all he just doesn't understand the electorate at all.

[ChisolmTrailDem]

80. JWS, you're welcome to copy the link from my post into your OP. nt

[Bucky]

92. Van Jones video now on YouTube - edit OP pls

interestingly, the first YouTube account to post Jones's vid was a RWNutter

[Jackie Wilson Said]

93. Very interesting. Van is not the only one saying this. I remember when Lawrence

O'Donnell was mocking Drumpf, appropriately, 9 months ago, that he could NOT EVER win anything.

He won EVERYTHING

Lets face it, with preventing millions of Democrats from voting, which will happen, this moron can win.

The entire existence of human life on the planet will then be at risk, for obvious reasons.