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stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:24 PM Jun 2012

Am going to be on Fox News at 4pm defending California public workers unions

Am going to be on Fox News at 4pm EST discussing the California Ballot measure recently approved by voters that cut pensions for city workers.

I am going to be defending efforts by the public workers unions to sue to get it overturned.

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Am going to be on Fox News at 4pm defending California public workers unions (Original Post) stevenleser Jun 2012 OP
Going into enemy territory. Good luck. rustydog Jun 2012 #1
Go get 'em!! SalviaBlue Jun 2012 #2
If you mention the San Jose thing Blue_Tires Jun 2012 #3
That is beautiful I love my DUers. Thank you! stevenleser Jun 2012 #6
+1 Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #7
DING DING DING! KamaAina Jun 2012 #39
Also be sure to point out how disingenuous Mayor Reed has been throughout KamaAina Jun 2012 #38
Wow, I didn't know they weren't a part of CalPERS. Starry Messenger Jun 2012 #47
Thank you! KamaAina Jun 2012 #48
Which poor sap over there gets to have their ass handed over to them by you? bullwinkle428 Jun 2012 #4
Not sure yet. ;-) stevenleser Jun 2012 #14
Good luck. Know what you're going to say and stick to it. Don't let them twist the conversation. . . Journeyman Jun 2012 #5
Thanks Steve.....I've followed your work over time... you rock Ichingcarpenter Jun 2012 #8
Maybe it would help to note that CA is the ONLY state where we don't tax oil companies BlueCaliDem Jun 2012 #9
If you were close by, I would kiss you! stevenleser Jun 2012 #15
You're welcome. :-) I hope you can do something with it. BlueCaliDem Jun 2012 #25
I read that a while back florida08 Jun 2012 #23
It can be if the Ca legislature does something about it, but the GOTP have, I believe, blocked it BlueCaliDem Jun 2012 #24
thanks. Steve bigtree Jun 2012 #10
Cool RZM Jun 2012 #11
Probably right at the beginning. The big left-right debates are usually right up front. stevenleser Jun 2012 #16
Thanks RZM Jun 2012 #17
Awesome! Chorophyll Jun 2012 #12
Good Luck and Good Job! nt abelenkpe Jun 2012 #13
good luck and rock on! renate Jun 2012 #18
Charge!!!! tomkoop Jun 2012 #19
Welcome to DU tomkoop. Auntie Bush Jun 2012 #55
Thanks! tomkoop Jun 2012 #66
I hope you can point out the hypocrisy of how huge bonuses for bailed out execs are sacrosanct tk2kewl Jun 2012 #20
bestof luck, steven! Whisp Jun 2012 #21
Good luck. Hope you're able to reach some Fox viewers and wake their neurons. nt valerief Jun 2012 #22
Going to refer to you now on as florida08 Jun 2012 #26
Good luck. Keep your head and be totally cool Xedniw Jun 2012 #27
Good luck! Cobalt Violet Jun 2012 #28
Good for you. Hope I'll be able to catch it live. sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #29
Bring up China eissa Jun 2012 #30
Fuck the China thing..... Ichingcarpenter Jun 2012 #31
Are there any studies about average salary, benefits etc that have facts in your favor? Fresh_Start Jun 2012 #32
Don't forget to sanitize yourself afterward. Good Luck! sinkingfeeling Jun 2012 #33
You know the thing that's so aggravating.... Sheepshank Jun 2012 #34
Speak in soundbites. Practice with a friend KurtNYC Jun 2012 #35
Is this in San Diego or San Jose? Hatchling Jun 2012 #36
Break a leg. Skinner Jun 2012 #37
Thank you! If corporations can be organized to advance the economic interests of the people... freshwest Jun 2012 #40
26 1000 Words Jun 2012 #41
Steve, you did a great job! kentuck Jun 2012 #42
I saw the segment. Good job even getting a word in ProgressiveEconomist Jun 2012 #43
I hope you wiped the evil off your shoes when exiting the studio. Kurovski Jun 2012 #44
Well, you got him riled lol! sabrina 1 Jun 2012 #45
Bragging again, I see. n/t Dawgs Jun 2012 #46
LOL, if this upsets you, you will be really upset when I post the video! stevenleser Jun 2012 #49
would like to see usregimechange Jun 2012 #51
I'm sure you did a great job today! progressiveinaction Jun 2012 #53
It is uploading to Youtube now. It will be available in around an hour. As soon as its up, I'll post stevenleser Jun 2012 #59
Bitter, table for 1. Son of Gob Jun 2012 #64
You did great, Steve! classof56 Jun 2012 #50
thank you for what you are doing fascisthunter Jun 2012 #52
i hope they let you make your point. barbtries Jun 2012 #54
I didn't see it. How'd you do? Thanks for an update. Auntie Bush Jun 2012 #56
Thanks, steven. Please let us know how you feel it went ASAP. Zorra Jun 2012 #57
Thank you Zorra! I think it went well. It's uploading to Youtube now stevenleser Jun 2012 #60
Okay, I'll be looking for it!!! freshwest Jun 2012 #61
Here is the link to the video! stevenleser Jun 2012 #63
Good luck, I know you'll do a great job! nt Raine Jun 2012 #58
This message was self-deleted by its author Sedona Jun 2012 #62
You are a good man and an asset to DU. Hassin Bin Sober Jun 2012 #65
I pray for you to remain centered duhneece Jun 2012 #67
very admirable JitterbugPerfume Jun 2012 #68
Seriously, what in hell is the point? SkyDaddy7 Jun 2012 #69
Make sure you, Caeser67 Jun 2012 #70
Don't let them throw you off message Presidentcokedupfratboy Jun 2012 #71
Better take some Cleita Jun 2012 #72

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
3. If you mention the San Jose thing
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:27 PM
Jun 2012

don't forget to mention how much $$$$ the city is about to dish out for the Oakland A's

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
7. +1
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:38 PM
Jun 2012

Also there was a recent report that Silicon Valley *average* wages just topped $100,000 for engineers last year.

http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052970204624204577179193752435590.html

Average annual salaries for Silicon Valley technology workers surpassed the $100,000 mark last year, according to a new survey, pushed higher by the strength of the region's latest boom.



Last year the market for million dollar homes jumped in San Jose.

http://money.cnn.com/2011/03/07/real_estate/million_dollar_homes/index.htm


San Jose, Calif., had the biggest market for million-dollar homes, with a 27.4% spike in sales last year;


It's not like there's no money in the area.
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
39. DING DING DING!
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 03:45 PM
Jun 2012

Part of the problem locally stems from the last tech boom, when experienced public employees were fleeing in droves for those fat SiliValley paychecks. Local governments had to raise salaries and benefits to compete, even though, thanks to our old friend Prop 13 , they weren't able to raise revenue proportionately. And now here we are.

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
38. Also be sure to point out how disingenuous Mayor Reed has been throughout
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 03:43 PM
Jun 2012

1) He connived with his council allies to fast-track Measure B onto the low-turnout (25 percent, as it turned out) June ballot.

2) All of his pro-B flyers mention that "retirement costs" eat up more than half of the city's budget. Not pension costs, retirement costs. What's the 800-pound gorilla in the room? Health care.

3) Did you know? San Jose, the largest city in Northern California, DOES NOT participate in CalPERS, the state public employees' retirement system. No one has yet bothered to ask a) whether we could save money by joining CalPERS, or b) whether our own self-funded retirement system took a bigger financial hit than CalPERS during the Great Bankster Orgy And Crash of '08. Instead, it's just been full speed ahead toward union-busting.

Starry Messenger

(32,342 posts)
47. Wow, I didn't know they weren't a part of CalPERS.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 04:58 PM
Jun 2012

That's a huge thing to not mention in the media about all of this. Great post.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
14. Not sure yet. ;-)
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:52 PM
Jun 2012

Those folks over there are tough though, I never take them for granted. They also have a staff of folks doing research for them.

Of course, I have you guys. That makes it pretty equal.

Journeyman

(15,031 posts)
5. Good luck. Know what you're going to say and stick to it. Don't let them twist the conversation. . .
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:31 PM
Jun 2012

and when they do (because they will), try to stay on point and not follow their misdirections.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
9. Maybe it would help to note that CA is the ONLY state where we don't tax oil companies
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:40 PM
Jun 2012

for extracting our oil out of our lands. We should do that first before burdening workers with more taxes and cutting benefits.

Out of the 22 oil states in the union - and CA being in the top three producers - we're the ONLY state that is losing out on severance tax revenue in the billions.

This article will help you:http://articles.latimes.com/2009/jun/15/business/fi-hiltzik15

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
25. You're welcome. :-) I hope you can do something with it.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:22 PM
Jun 2012

We really need to put this problem forward to the people - especially Californians.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
24. It can be if the Ca legislature does something about it, but the GOTP have, I believe, blocked it
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:21 PM
Jun 2012

there as well until they watered it down to almost nothing, and then the oil companies came in, threw millions of dollars in scary advertising against it (gasoline prices will skyrocket, 1970's style prohibition, etc., etc) and Prop 87 failed.

Today, CA has the highest gasoline prices in the nation, beating even Hawaii and Alaska!

We are basically allowing our oil to be extracted for free and the oil companies come back and charge us more than they charge any other state.

This has got to STOP. Tax the oil companies first, then try and raise taxes on hardworking, overtaxed Californians.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
16. Probably right at the beginning. The big left-right debates are usually right up front.
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:54 PM
Jun 2012

If I hear differently, I will let you know.

 

RZM

(8,556 posts)
17. Thanks
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 01:58 PM
Jun 2012

Generally I avoid Cavuto but I'm happy to support a DUer appearing on the show. Good luck!

 

tomkoop

(55 posts)
19. Charge!!!!
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:04 PM
Jun 2012

A strong union is forceful when it's members speakout and do not cower in managements face.

CHARGE!!!!

 

tk2kewl

(18,133 posts)
20. I hope you can point out the hypocrisy of how huge bonuses for bailed out execs are sacrosanct
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:10 PM
Jun 2012

but long-standing contracts for fair and modest pensions are somehow not.

florida08

(4,106 posts)
26. Going to refer to you now on as
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:32 PM
Jun 2012

Daniel. He went into the lions den too..lol It's really scary what's going on around the country and how blue collar workers are being made the scape goat for the debt. They cut our fire and police pay by 3%. Husband is a member of IBEW here for 40 years now.

We are not rich living in a right to work state by any means. Non union bidding hurts everyone. Not to mention generally it's a subpar level of work. But trying to cut pensions because they spent the defrayments that were paid is unacceptable.

This austerity is just a cover to come after unions as we all know. I salute you.

 

Xedniw

(134 posts)
27. Good luck. Keep your head and be totally cool
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:40 PM
Jun 2012

If they can get you angry, they can portray you as a union "thug"--that's their schtick.

So be gracious, charming and well spoken.

eissa

(4,238 posts)
30. Bring up China
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:55 PM
Jun 2012

and the real reason American coporations are relocating there is to fulfill their wet dream of how labor should be: no minimum wage, no vacation/sick time, no safety regulations, benefits or job protections. Don't begrduge public employees for unionizing and legally fighting for those rights. All employees should have that, and if the private sector is unhappy because they don't have those same rights, fight for them and get them, don't take away what others fought hard to obtain.

Ichingcarpenter

(36,988 posts)
31. Fuck the China thing.....
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:58 PM
Jun 2012

You don't get it on who sends it there.

China would have no business model without Wal-Mart.

Fresh_Start

(11,330 posts)
32. Are there any studies about average salary, benefits etc that have facts in your favor?
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 02:58 PM
Jun 2012

For example, if the wages are actually lower than 'private industry' that the improved retirement is an offset for lower salary, etc.
Similarly benefits, no 401K, no bonuses, ....

Average Cost of Living argument may have merit as well because of the high cost of living in that area....especially if there are studies that people who lived there their entire lives can't afford to retire there....

Sorry for the weak ideas.

 

Sheepshank

(12,504 posts)
34. You know the thing that's so aggravating....
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 03:15 PM
Jun 2012

you do a good job, you work hard for 30 years and in return are promised something. Not just promised, but negotiated a contractually binding agreement, in return for that long term service. You promise the State your hard work for xxx years, and they promise a certain level of retirement. You have the option of staying and trying to qualify for that retirement, or leaving for greener pastures. But no, you stay because of a promise. People are being screwed in spite of holding up their end of the agreement.

Almost always during the negotiation process, something is given in return for something else. What did the State give up in return for reducing retirement that was promised to retirees? I imagine they gave up nothing. What a load of crap!

KurtNYC

(14,549 posts)
35. Speak in soundbites. Practice with a friend
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 03:20 PM
Jun 2012

who can play the role of interviewer. Use your soundbite answers no matter what the questions are. Don't use your time repeating or try to correct their BS just put your own points on the board.

If done correctly they will be as pissed as O'Reilly was at that 9/11 orphan, Jeremy Glick:

Hatchling

(2,323 posts)
36. Is this in San Diego or San Jose?
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 03:27 PM
Jun 2012

I'll definitely watch the San Diego Fox News if you are going to be on it, otherwise I avoid all Fox news channels. And yes, we need to get these lawsuits underway as soon as possible.

freshwest

(53,661 posts)
40. Thank you! If corporations can be organized to advance the economic interests of the people...
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 03:51 PM
Jun 2012

Who have invested their time and labor by buying stock in them--

why should the workers who invest their time and efforts working there not be allowed to advance their economic interests as well?

And if the argument that they are feeding at the public trough if used, and costing taxpayers money, why can't we mention the tax waviers corporations get from local governments, then move to other cities and leave the taxpayers paying it in their property taxes in bond levies?

The people working for government are our neighbors and will be staying to pay the taxes that those who leave will not. These services make for a freer and more secure society in many ways that affect people personally, but the corporations are chartered only to make profit. They have no loyalty to the area they operate within, and often leave generations to pay for their problems.

Do Americans no longer believe in taking care of all Americans, educating our children, healthcare and all the things that are anathema to those who seek profit only? It is not the fault of the corporation... They represent only the ones who expect a return on their money whether they live where the services are being provided, and don't have the motive to make sure they continue if it doesn't make money.

A lot of things that public workers do are not a profitable enterprise; they are a moral responsibility to take care of the sick, disabled, young and old. There needs to be a dialogue take place to see if Americans are willing to throw their fellow citizens under the bus for money.

It has been said, too, that 'privatization is the new apartheid.' Meaning that those who can afford to get what they need done, be it security or policing, medical care, child care or education, will get it. Those who are in transition to move to that status, must rely on the morality of the social contract to survive and then hopefully be able to afford it. The move to punish public workers and demonize them is based on the profit motive, and the media is used regularly to make exposes that often coincide with private companies coming to legislatures for contracts. That will still cost the tax payer more money, be unaccountable and without sufficient oversight, as it will then be propriety information. Then the public will not have the legal right to make them follow the law.

Off my soapbox. Best wishes for your talk today, glad to hear it. Will hope to hear from you here later on DU on how you think it went.

ProgressiveEconomist

(5,818 posts)
43. I saw the segment. Good job even getting a word in
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 04:24 PM
Jun 2012

edgewise with Neil Cavuto's loud interruptions of the BEGINNING of every one of your answers to his questions.

If you get a chance to discuss pension theft on some other media outlet:

IMO the biggest omission in what I heard you say was the years-long THEFT of pension contributions the cities' pols diverted to their pet boondoggles. Demography is an exact science. If the cities did not know how high to build their pension funds to fulfill the pension promises they negotiated with their unions, they should sue thier pension consultants. Union workers gave up much in contemporary cash wages in return for future income in retirement. The cities knew how much they were supposed to contribute to pension funds each year to meet their future obligations. But their contributions fell far short. Now they say that pensions are "unsustainable".

This is a matter of trust. The cities, many corporations, and Congress are too corrupt to keep multi-year promises anymore. Millions have had their pensions stolen from them over many years, and now Congress wants to do the same thing San Diego did with the extra TRILLIONS low and middle-income workers have had deducted from their paychecks since 1983, ostensibly for Social Security.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
45. Well, you got him riled lol!
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 04:57 PM
Jun 2012

Those rightwingers, even the ones like Caputo who try to appear to be reasonable, cannot tolerate any deviation from their beliefs.

He was very frustrated when you mentioned raising the cap on SS. Like all rightwingers he resorted to insults, 'is that all you've got'? Mentioning SS is like waving a red flag at bull to Rightwingers like him, especially the wealthy ones.

Good job.

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
59. It is uploading to Youtube now. It will be available in around an hour. As soon as its up, I'll post
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 10:46 PM
Jun 2012

it and link to it from this thread.

classof56

(5,376 posts)
50. You did great, Steve!
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 06:54 PM
Jun 2012

Although my DVR made funny gagging sounds when I set it on Fox, I recorded your segment to watch again. As a retired state government employee in the state directly to your north, I've taken my share of the slings and arrows of outrageous fortune from those who hate me for who I am. They'd love it if they could snatch away what I have rightfully earned and incidentally, paid into all those years. Keep up the good fight and stay strong, brother!

 

stevenleser

(32,886 posts)
60. Thank you Zorra! I think it went well. It's uploading to Youtube now
Thu Jun 7, 2012, 10:47 PM
Jun 2012

I'll let you know when it is up!

Response to stevenleser (Original post)

duhneece

(4,112 posts)
67. I pray for you to remain centered
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 12:31 PM
Jun 2012

I pray you don't get so angry that you say anything you regret (speaking from MY experience)!
I am with you, knowing you'll do a great job. Let us know what you think afterward.

SkyDaddy7

(6,045 posts)
69. Seriously, what in hell is the point?
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 12:43 PM
Jun 2012

SERIOUSLY, what is the point going on FOX "News"? If you are even lucky to speak for 30 seconds without being interrupted or having your mic cut you won't change a single mind watching...Folks going on FOX "News" do NOTHING but give that channel credit as legitimate news channel. Which I find very SAD!

71. Don't let them throw you off message
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 01:08 PM
Jun 2012

That's standard operating procedure at GOP-TV (I mean Fox "News&quot . They will cut you off or ask irrelevant questions if they think you have the upper hand.

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