YEA! Ring of Fire plans to go after Monsanto's Roundup big time in the next few weeks!

[womanofthehills]

Mike Papantonio, America's best trial lawyer and Farron Cousins editor of the Trial Lawyers mag talk about health issues of glyphosate and Roundup. Cousins says it's almost as dangerous as DDT - just watered down a little.

If you put Roundup in your yard, within 30 minutes glyphosate is in your body. It's not just causing cancer - it's causing many other diseases - alzheimers, birth defects, breast cancer, colitius, heart disease, diabetes, ms, etc all linked through studies. "It's a chemical designed to kill living cells."

"EPA just an extension of Monsanto." Ring of Fire plans to be talking about this alot in the next few weeks because they say corporate media is not covering this.

Monsanto’s Roundup has been linked to a myriad of health issues ranging from cancers to neurological defects to infertility. Still, we’re pouring 100 million tons of this toxin into the environment every year. America’s Lawyer Mike Papantonio and Farron Cousins discuss the dangers that Monsanto is hiding from the public.

http://trofire.com/2016/05/12/roundup-weed-killer-declared-cancer-causing-agency-world-health-organization/

[lagomorph777]

1. Awesome!

It makes sense that Bayer, the company who invented Zyklon wants to buy Monsanto.

[Viva_La_Revolution]

2. recent reading that glyphosate kills good gut bacteria that protect intestinal lining

Leading to nutrient deficiencies and autoimmune conditions.

[Jeffersons Ghost]

49. Comey and git IT TrumpTroll, traitors! the gang's all here

[as usual, Chinese agents will join with Chinese satellite communities in the 5th column, designed by Mao, to poison the traitors named Xi Jinping]

[Major Nikon]

62. One can also read about how vaccines cause autism

[Baobab]

93. PLOS Biology: Chemically Diverse Toxicants Converge on Fyn and c-Cbl to Disrupt Precursor Cell Funct

Pro-oxidant toxicants - like elemental mercury- can cause depletion of glutathione at a crucial moment... causing changes in gene expression.


http://www.plosbiology.org/article/info%3Adoi%2F10.1371%2Fjournal.pbio.0050035

[Major Nikon]

94. Not sure how this is supposed to be remotely in context

But thanks for throwing it out there.

[Baobab]

96. If you're pregnant, make sure to stay away from "pro oxidant" anything

even ones that many are commonly thoughtlessly exposed to

that's the two line executive summary.

Vaccines used to use a preservative called thimerosal, which contains mercury. Mercury is one of hundreds of pro oxidant substances which we're still exposed to, although there is growing recognition of how bad that is. They still have not DONE anything.

One of the largest sources of mercury in the environment is coal burning power plants. Also, dental restorations made with amalgam.

NAC - n-acetylcysteine is an amino acid that is basically a targeted food, it increases something called glutathione.

Glutathione is our body's first line of defense against pro-oxidant chemicals. If enough of it is there, nothing bad happens, if there is not enough there, then bad things happen.

This is a basic fact they should teach everybody in high school, seriously.

[Major Nikon]

97. Sure, like orange juice and everything else that contains vitamin C

The mercury in thimerosal is not the same as what comes out of coal plants and is not the same as what's being discussed in the study you offered. I suggest you better educate yourself before trying to appear informed, and failing. Otherwise people are just going to write you off as another anti-vaxxer pushing complete nonsense they don't understand.

[Baobab]

98. Glutathione is one of the general principles in toxicology

Ascorbic acid helps the body conserve GSH. Very good to protect against pro-oxidant substances.

Read the paper!

[Major Nikon]

99. I did read the paper. Obviously you didn't understand it

Ascorbic acid is a pro-oxidant.

I've already told you why your paper doesn't say what you think it says.

Meanwhile there's exactly zero causative link between Thermisol and autism. All anti-vax lunacy has managed to accomplish is the discontinuance of Thermisol which has caused many vaccines to be that much more expensive to developing nations who already have to ration limited supplies.

Sometimes ignorance and stupidity manages to kill people. Don't be that guy.

[womanofthehills]

103. Thanks for your intelligent posts -Interesting to read more about NAC - I take it daily

NAC really gives me energy and helps with allergies big time. L'taurine is also good.

In September 1994, my whole neighborhood was poisoned by the Environmental Health Dept of the City of Abluquerque - spraying for mosquitos with some old Malathion they found in a shed when they ran out of pyrethroids. (Hard to believe, but that is what the workers told me.) This was just the topping as my neighborhood block had been sprayed on summer nights for yrs because we were up against the ditch and river.

Due to incompetence, they sprayed Malathion 4 nights in a row - around 3 am without notice. I actually called Monsanto and was told they never even spray that often in the jungle. Many of the kids got asthma - many are my Facebook friends and still have asthma to this day and I got Multiple Chemical Sensitivity. This left me very sensitive to pesticides, chemicals, etc. I'm about 90 percent better as I moved way out to the country - clean air, no farming, no traffic, no businesses, neighbors far away.

Malathion like glyphosate is an organophosphate . My symptoms were extreme salavation (which still happens if I am exposed to a pesticide/herbicide - but now it will end in a day or so- not be continual) , bronchospasm, muscle tremors - esp at night in bed, and muscle weakness where my legs would just give out sometimes.

Organophosphate Poisoning

The organophosphate (OP) pesticides inhibit acetylcholinesterase. Hence, acetylcholine accumulates at nerve synapses and neuromuscular junctions, stimulating muscarinic and nicotinic receptors and the central nervous system.

They are used as pesticides but can also be used as 'nerve gas'. This is prohibited under the Geneva Convention but could be used by terrorists or rogue regimes. There is some suggestion that the use of OP pesticides may have caused some neurotoxicity and be responsible for 'Gulf War syndrome'. Certainly, insecticides were freely used, as were many other chemicals. The syndrome is inconsistent in those affected but is neither simply a post-traumatic stress disorder nor the result of acute OP poisoning and is likely to represent low-level chronic toxicity. This is supported by a case control study which reported that chronic exposure to OP pesticides can lead both to depressive and anxiety disorders and also to cognitive defects (unrelated to psychiatric disorders). This is a significant problem which may also affect children and further research in this field is necessary.


Presentation

The presentation of OP poisoning depends upon whether the poisoning is mild, moderate or severe. The symptoms are basically those of excessive acetylcholine activity.
Mild

Small or pinpoint pupils.
Painful, blurred vision.
Runny nose and eyes.
Excess saliva.
Eyes looking 'glassy'.
Headache.
Nausea.
Mild muscle weakness.
Localised muscle twitching.
Mild agitation.

Moderate

Pinpoint pupils, conjunctival injection.
Dizziness, disorientation.
Coughing, wheezing, sneezing.
Drooling, excess phlegm, bronchorrhoea, bronchospasm.
Breathing difficulty.
Marked muscle twitching or tremors.
Muscle weakness, fatigue.
Vomiting, diarrhoea, urination.

Severe

Pinpoint pupils.
Confusion and agitation.
Convulsions.
Copious excess secretions.
Cardiac arrhythmias.
Collapse, respiratory depression or respiratory arrest.
Coma.
Death

http://patient.info/doctor/organophosphate-poisoning

[womanofthehills]

104. Actually, the Vaccine Injury Compensation program has paid out over 3 billion for vaccine injury

The majority kids do well with vaccines, but a small percentage don't so there is a Vaccine Injury Compensation Program run by the US Dept of Health and Human Services.

In very rare cases, a vaccine can cause a serious problem, such as a severe allergic reaction. In these instances, the National Vaccine Injury Compensation Program (VICP) may provide financial compensation to individuals who file a petition and are found to have been injured by a VICP-covered vaccine. Even in cases in which such a finding is not made, petitioners may receive compensation through a settlement.

[NuclearDem]

3. Are they going to be covering the organic food recalled due to a listeria outbreak?

Didn't think so.

[HuckleB]

4. I'm sure they'll address the far more toxic herbicides that would be used in its absence.

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As consumers shift to non-GMO sugar, farmers may be forced to abandon environmental and social gains
http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2016/05/as-consumers-shift-to-non-gmo-sugar-farmers-may-be-forced-to-abandon-environmental-and-social-gains/

As Big Candy Ditches GMOs, Sugar Beet Farmers Hit A Sour Patch
http://www.npr.org/sections/thesalt/2016/05/12/477793556/as-big-candy-ditches-gmos-sugar-beet-farmers-hit-sour-patch


Oh, wait...

[womanofthehills]

5. The world is awash in glyphosate - most heavily used chemical in history of the world

I doubt it HuckleB - get with the revolution - people are demanding clean food. It's a glyphosate epidemic!! Glyphosate Spreading like a cancer and it's in your bodies folks and mega time in animal food too - I even switched by pets to grain free organic food because of the super high levels of glyphosate on wheat and grains.

The world is awash in glyphosate, the active ingredient in the herbicide Roundup, produced by Monsanto. It has now become the most heavily-used agricultural chemical in the history of the world, and many argue that’s a problem, since the substance comes with concerning albeit incompletely-determined health effects.

A study published Tuesday in the journal Environmental Sciences Europe reveals that Americans have applied 1.8 million tons of glyphosate since its introduction in 1974. Worldwide, 9.4 million tons of the chemical have been sprayed onto fields. For comparison, that’s equivalent to the weight of water in more than 2,300 Olympic-size swimming pools. It’s also enough to spray nearly half a pound of Roundup on every cultivated acre of land in the world.

Freese adds that EPA's high-end estimate of infant exposure to glyphosate exceeds the level the Agency considered safe for them in 1983.

The rise of glyphosate-resistant weeds has led to the use of yet more herbicides. And companies like Dow AgroSciences are developing crops that are resistant to even more herbicides, such as 2,4-D. But this will just lead to spraying of even more


herbicides, more resistance in the future and the need for more herbicide-resistant crops in the future, Mortensen says. It’s a vicious cycle.

“This is what you call a transgenic treadmill, using ever more herbicides and selecting for greater and greater resistance in weeds, and we are already seeing this happen,” Freese says.

http://www.newsweek.com/glyphosate-now-most-used-agricultural-chemical-ever-422419

[HuckleB]

7. As usual, your response has nothing to do with the content of my post.

And it shows that you are ignoring the full equation, and that means that your advocacy is bound to cause harm. As you would note, if you had paid attention to the content of the links in my post, the world is about to face the real environmental harms that will result from successful anti-GMO fear mongering.

About those more caustic herbicides that glyphosate helped replace
http://www.crediblehulk.org/index.php/2015/06/02/about-those-more-caustic-herbicides-that-glyphosate-helped-replace-by-credible-hulk/

http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2015/05/what-does-chipotles-switch-to-non-gmo-ingredients-mean-for-pesticide-use/

[womanofthehills]

8. So you think DDT will come back if we eliminate glyphosate?

It's getting ever sicker guys! Dow has a new herbicide DUO - glyphosate plus 2,4-d (half of the agent orange formula).
Seems like glyphosate is no longer working that good alone - it needs a duo of toxins.

Agent Orange—or Herbicide Orange (HO)—is one of the herbicides and defoliants used by the U.S. military as part of its herbicidal warfare program, Operation Ranch Hand, during the Vietnam War from 1961 to 1971. It was a mixture of equal parts of two herbicides, 2,4,5-T and 2,4-D.

from WIKI

What kind of a site is "The Credible Hunk" ??

Organic farming works - look at Cuba - and now Russia is going there. Russia wants to be the world's producer of clean food. Where does that leave us? Do you think countries will pick GMO , glyphosate, agent orange US food over clean food? How many countries have already rejected our GMO food?

[HuckleB]

9. And yet again, your post has nothing to do with the content of my post or of my links.

All you have the usual baseless hyperbole, and bad propaganda of a movement that is clearly going to harm the planet.

http://www.marklynas.org/2013/04/time-to-call-out-the-anti-gmo-conspiracy-theory/

Do you have any idea how much more "organic" pesticides are used than synthetic? Even though there is less organic farming land?
http://www.forbes.com/sites/stevensavage/2015/09/23/the-role-of-organic-pesticides-in-california/#3248a1f251c5

When will you worry about that?

[womanofthehills]

10. It's is sad that you are on a progressive site quoting articles by GMO shills & right wing mags

Forbes is a right leaning magazine run by a republican - of course, they will be for GMO's and your author Steve Savage - a Dupont guy.

STEVE SAVAGE, GMO SHILL DEBUNKED: One of the most widely published opponents of fair labeling (Prop. 37 and I 522) is Stanford graduate Steve Savage. Steve is comfortably retired from DuPont. DuPont contributed $4 million to oppose the passage of California Proposition 37, which would mandate the disclosure of genetically modified crops used in the production of California food products. Steve shills convincingly for the chemical industry and their pals in bioengineering. His latest project, as you would expect, is to cheerlead for the Arctic Apple. Let's get a jump on this, since it's almost too late and we're about to be screwed again. In 2009, Steve's Greenwash was exposed by Corporate Crime Daily:
"It’s interesting that Steve Savage boasts of his work on natural, biological pesticides while at DuPont and Mycogen. Those companies were among the leaders in bringing GMO “Bt” crops to market, despite concerns raised by scientists, environmentalists and organic growers who noted that the Bt crops threaten to destroy the usefulness of Bt sprays, valued by many as the world’s safest and most important biological pesticide. It’s curious that while Savage was purportedly working on biological pesticides, his colleagues were working to destroy the safest one known.
Savage also says that GMO Bt crops couldn’t present an allergy risk because they contain the same gene found and long-used in Bt sprays. But the version in GMO crops is not the same as in sprays; in crops it is an activated, high-dose (truncated) toxin." read more http://ur1.ca/g49f5

[HuckleB]

13. It is sad that you can't discuss the actual science and reality of the issues.

And yet you attack me because I am a true progressive who goes with evidence over false belief. Also, the fact that you fail to realize that there are many POVs posted on Forbes, shows that you do not care about basic intellectual honesty, but would rather go with lame character assassination.

Prove the content of the piece to be wrong. You can't, and that's the real problem with folks like you being on a progressive site. You claim to be progressives, but you don't really care to do the actual work it takes to be a progressive.

Remember, that I could have pointed out that your author has posted plenty of ridiculous anti-science, anti-GMO nonsense over the years, and that his web site is linked with a known anti-vaccine conspiracy theorist, but I didn't. Well, since you want to play that ugly game, now I did. So cut the crap.

Speaking of anti-vaccine conspiracy theorists...

Antivaccine versus anti-GMO: Different goals, same methods
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/antivaccine-versus-anti-gmo-different-goals-same-methods/

[womanofthehills]

31. So you side with Monsanto over the progressive lawyers at Ring of Fire

Meanwhile, evidence demonstrating that Roundup® is carcinogenic continues to pile up. David Schubert, who runs the cellular neurobiology lab at the Salk Institute for Biological Studies, recently issued the following statement:

There are a number of independent, published manuscripts that clearly indicate that glyphosate … can promote cancer and tumor growth…it should be banned.

[HuckleB]

61. "Progressive" lawyers, in name only. The majority of the world's scientists disagree with WHO.

The particular lawyers you seem to love here are pushing anti-science nonsense, just as your CT link does. You have been debunked, yet again. Posting more of your nonsense doesn't change that. You and they are working to harm the planet. That's not ok.

http://risk-monger.blogactiv.eu/2016/03/21/iarcs-unprofessional-and-unethical-behaviour-time-to-retract-their-glyphosate-monograph/

http://acsh.org/news/2015/03/23/iarcs-ruling-on-glyphosate-ignores-the-science/

http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2015/03/glyphosate-and-cancer-what-does-the-data-say/

http://www.skepticalraptor.com/skepticalraptorblog.php/glyphosate-causes-cancer-apples/

http://www.senseaboutscience.org/pages/glyphosate-whats-the-lowdown.html

[womanofthehills]

78. Untrue - There is no way you could be a progressive and not LOVE Mike Papantonio

I have to use the word you always use - against my better judgment - DURP. I really am not into name calling - but just this one time.





Mike Pap 4James Michael Papantonio, popularly known as Mike Papantonio, is an American attorney and radio talk show host. He is past president of The National Trial Lawyers, the most prestigious trial lawyer association in America; and is one of few living attorneys inducted into the Trial Lawyer Hall of Fame.

Papantonio co-hosts Ring of Fire Radio, a nationally syndicated weekly radio program, with Robert F. Kennedy, Jr. and Sam Seder, where he is referenced as “America’s Lawyer.” He graduated from the University of Florida and received his J.D. from Cumberland School of Law. He was admitted to The Florida Bar in 1982. He is a senior partner in the Pensacola, Florida-based Levin Papantonio Law Firm, a leading national mass torts firm.

Papantonio is noted for his success in mass torts, product liability, personal injury, and wrongful death cases, and has returned numerous jury verdicts of multi-million dollar damages for injured persons. He is a Board Certified Civil Trial Lawyer by the Florida Bar and the National Board of Trial Advocacy. He is a fellow in the International Academy of Trial Lawyers and the International Society of Barristers. He is a member of the American Board of Trial Advocates; the American Association for Justice; the Southern Trial Lawyers Association; and the Florida Justice Association, where he served on the Board of Directors for five years.

Papantonio has been listed in the publication Best Lawyers in America since 1999, and has written several books, including Resurrecting Aesop: Fables Lawyers Should Remember; Clarence Darrow, the Journeyman; and In Search of Atticus Finch, A Motivational Book for Lawyers, as well as Defenses You Can Count on in an Asbestosis Case and How to Prove a Sick Building Case. He also co-authored Closing Arguments–The Last Battle with Fred Levin.

Papantonio says he wrote In Search of Atticus Finch as a “wake-up call to the legal profession that has largely lost its moral compass” and has said that “seventy percent of kids coming out of law school want to represent corporations and get paid exorbitant amounts of money.” “They’re willing to sell their souls to the highest bidder. We need to bring more quality to what we do as lawyers, we need to be better servants to the community and we need to have more political involvement for positive change in the country.”

[HuckleB]

91. He pushes misinformation. That's not progressive in any way, shape, or form.

It's time to stop pretending to be something, and actually be it.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

67. So you side with irrationality over common sense

HuckleB made a cogent argument backed up with evidence, and I'd like to see a response to his actual points. If you and the other pseudoscience peddlers get their way, the environment will actually be MORE damaged.

[womanofthehills]

108. ahhhhhhhh

[womanofthehills]

6. There are more listeria outbreaks in conventional foods

Actually, we are discussing herbicides and pesticides.

[HuckleB]

16. So when will you address toxic "organic" herbicides and pesticides?

[womanofthehills]

32. Organic uses a lot of pyrethins - which unlike organochloride pesticides - break down within hrs

Organic cannot use pyrethins with PBO (piperonyl butoxide) - but if you go into any store it is hard to find pyrethins without this chemical - So never spray Pyrethins with PBO on your garden vegetables. The inerts are often worse than the pesticides.

[Major Nikon]

45. Just not that hard to show where the bullshit comes in

[Major Nikon]

11. My neighbor used round-up and now the cows won't milk and the hens won't lay

It's only a matter of time before parts start falling off.

[HuckleB]

17. Wait! The coffee ground enemas don't cure all that?

We are in deep ...

[womanofthehills]

28. This is about the 100th time you have mentioned coffee enemas

Do you have an anal obession or what?

[Major Nikon]

39. Excellent point! Let's not forget about Wheatgrass enemas!

Wheatgrass implants (enemas) are great for healing and detoxifying the colon walls. The implants also heal and cleanse the internal organs. After an enema, wait 20 minutes, then implant 4 ounces of wheatgrass juice. Retain for 20 minutes.

http://foodbabe.com/2011/09/02/what-a-miracle-food-wheatgrass-bali/

[womanofthehills]

105. Actually, you can even put cannabis up your butt ....

cannabis, wheatgrass, vitamins - whatever

The rectal route of administration is viable for a great many drugs.
Water soluble drugs can be easily administered by this route (see further in this wiki).
Drugs that are only soluble in oil (like cannabis) need more preparation, but can effectively administered via this route after extraction into a suitable medium, or in suppository form.

https://drugs-forum.com/forum/showwiki.php?title=Rectal_Absorption

[Major Nikon]

106. So long as it fits I suppose you could put anything up there

Wanting to do so on the advice of a crank is something else. I prefer to take my coffee and nutrients the old fashion way. YMMV.

[womanofthehills]

107. Why be so conventional

a little variety is the spice of life!

[womanofthehills]

23. Actually eggs and milk are some of the foods highest in glyphosate

because of the off the wall levels in animal feed.

[Major Nikon]

26. Which is already well within the standards of every regulatory agency on the planet

So all you are really doing is proving my tag line.

[womanofthehills]

33. The FDA has never tested for glyphosate

They just purchased 5 million dollars worth of equipment to do this. Only private labs have tested - never the government.

[Major Nikon]

36. You really do have no idea what you're talking about

Yet this doesn't seem to be a deterrent.

? Soybeans
The USDA GIPSA laboratory in Kansas City, MO, analyzed 300 soybean samples for 93 parent pesticides, metabolites, degradates, and/or isomers, plus 5 environmental contaminants. Soybean samples were stored at room temperature until time of grinding. Five hundred grams (500 g) of sample were ground thoroughly and tumbled to achieve a homogenous mixture. Extraction of soybean samples was accomplished using an acetonitrile-water solvent extraction and SPE cleanup and analyzed by LC-MS/MS.

The GIPSA laboratory shipped portions of each ground soybean sample to the Colorado laboratory for specialty analysis of glyphosate and its aminomethylphosphonic acid (AMPA) metabolite. Samples were extracted using a method specifi cally
developed for the analysis of glyphosate and AMPA, with residue determinations performed via LC-MS/MS.

https://www.ams.usda.gov/sites/default/files/media/2011%20PDP%20Annual%20Summary.pdf

[womanofthehills]

42. FDA moving toward testing glyphosate for the 1st time in agency's history

Not testing glyphosate yet - but moving forward. Forced to test by the US GAO.

FDA officials dubbed the issue “sensitive” and declined to provide details of the plans, but FDA spokeswoman Lauren Sucher said the agency was moving forward to test for glyphosate for the first time in the agency’s history.

“The agency is now considering assignments for Fiscal Year 2016 to measure glyphosate in soybeans, corn, milk, and eggs, among other potential foods,” she told Civil Eats. Soybeans and corn are common ingredients in an array of food products and genetically engineered (or GMO) varieties are commonly sprayed with glyphosate.

http://civileats.com/2016/02/17/fda-to-start-testing-for-glyphosate-in-food/

[Major Nikon]

43. You do know there's more to the "government" than the FDA, yes?

Please tell me you at least understand that much.

[womanofthehills]

63. In 2011 - Goverment did one "special project" testing soybeans- WOWEE!

That really protects the public!

But while the USDA looks for residues of other herbicides, as well as fungicides and insecticides, the agency routinely does not test for glyphosate. It did one “special project” in 2011, testing 300 soybean samples for glyphosate and found that 271 of the samples had residues. The agency said all fell within the range deemed safe by the U.S. Environmental Protection Agency (EPA). The agency has said testing for glyphosate is “not a high priority.”

http://ecowatch.com/2016/01/14/food-residue-monsanto-glyphosate/

[Major Nikon]

65. Actually there were more than that

I just figured that one example was enough to prove your statement was bullshit, which you now at least begrudgingly admit.

Very telling how you follow up with an anti-vax bullshit monger source.

One step forward, two steps back.

[HuckleB]

69. That meme was quite hilarious, to boot.

I'd like to see her prove each of the five claims with a consensus of evidence.

And I'd like to see her prove that the Feds are testing for other pesticides on a regular basis, including whether they are testing for organic products at all.

[Major Nikon]

70. You're talking about someone who promotes homeopathy and Food Babe

Reality set sail some time back, never to return.

http://wonkette.com/576187/the-snake-oil-bulletin-butt-chugging-gluten-with-the-food-babe

[womanofthehills]

80. Give me another example then

[Major Nikon]

83. How about I make a deal with you

Since we've already both agreed that "Everything I post is researched and correct" is complete nonsense, how about you self-delete the OP, and I'll be happy to provide you with yet another example of how you are already wrong via PM. That way I can be convinced of your sincerity on being schooled on the subject as if my previous example weren't enough.

[womanofthehills]

109. Ahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh

[Major Nikon]

112. ...

[NickB79]

12. And yet the US cancer rate is falling, not rising

Which is the opposite of what you'd expect, seeing as how RoundUp is used daily by a large portion of the US population on their yards every year.

http://health.usnews.com/health-news/articles/2016-03-09/us-cancer-death-rate-continues-to-fall

[womanofthehills]

34. Not true - Cancer is an imminent "human disaster" say WHO

Colen cancer, leukemia, lymphoma, and myeloma -rising in US

Cancer cases are expected to surge 57% worldwide in the next 20 years, an imminent "human disaster" that will require a renewed focus on prevention to combat, according to the World Health Organization.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/04/health/who-world-cancer-report/

[Major Nikon]

37. Sweet Jebus, can't you even read your own links?

"The good news is, in (the United States), cancer mortality is trending downward, and that would be more true if you make an age adjustment," said Dr. Walter Curran, chairman of the Department of Radiation Oncology at Emory University's School of Medicine in Atlanta.
"Since we have an aging population, the cancer rate increases, and if you adjust for the aging of America, the cancer rate is declining notably."

[womanofthehills]

64. From CDC

[Major Nikon]

66. Does the fact that your own source proved your assertion as bullshit not even phase you?

[snowy owl]

14. Rachel Carson took care of this crap . . . I thought. Despicable.

Another reason to vote Bernie just because he's the guy that cares about these things. We've got to take care of our own country and get these corporatists out. We kill and maim our own kids. It makes no sense. None. We need a farm policy. I've been advocating that for a decade. Looking to the future, we need good food and clean water. Someday we'll pay for all these decisions to let corporations have their way. We already are. What's wrong with us? And not enough people hear Ring of Fire... one of the best programs on the air.

[HuckleB]

15. Something tells me that Rachel Carson wouldn't support increasing more toxic herbicides.

And, yet, that is what the anti-GMO advocate in the OP is doing.

One example:

As consumers shift to non-GMO sugar, farmers may be forced to abandon environmental and social gains
http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2016/05/as-consumers-shift-to-non-gmo-sugar-farmers-may-be-forced-to-abandon-environmental-and-social-gains/

[snowy owl]

20. I've heard same re meds in Africa. See Bill Gates on some of that.

I don't know the answers to everything but I don't believe in trading one problem for another. I think nature has better answers and we need to go back to farmers doing the work instead of expecting drugs and pesticides to do it all. Growing food is hard work. We need to pay more for food and honor good farmers. And put more of our last into agriculture and keep it local. Learn to live with what we can grow and harvest.

[HuckleB]

22. Oh, goodness. You're going with a vague Bill Gates conspiracy theory as a response?

In other words, you have failed to do any due diligence. Admit it. That what adults do.

[womanofthehills]

29. Bill Gates has the f**king toxic GMO bananas he is trying to sell to Africa

but they don't want them.

[Humanist_Activist]

35. They aren't fucking toxic, and are being codeveloped with local African governments....

is there anything you have posted that has been correct, ever?

[womanofthehills]

44. 12 Iowa State Univ students will be paid $900 to eat one GMO banana

https://www.sott.net/article/313655-Gates-Foundation-will-pay-students-to-engage-in-GMO-banana-trial

Twelve students will be paid to eat genetically modified (GMO) bananas as researchers at Iowa State University start moving forward with a long-delayed project.

The project which is funded by the Bill and Melinda Gates foundation would pay each student $900.

Thes tests are to be carried out on the students without any previous animal testing, so it is not known what the impact would be to the students' health.

Everything I post is researched and correct. I'm just not a Monsanto shill!

[Major Nikon]

47. You've been busted posting nonsense several times in this thread alone

You claimed the cancer rate in the US was increasing, and posted a link that said exactly the opposite.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7830627

You claimed the government has never tested for glyphosate, and doubled down after being proved wrong.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7830600

You claimed "toxic pesticides" aren't allowed in organic, even though copper sulfate is clearly listed by the NOP and is more than 16 times more toxic than Round-up.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7830590

[womanofthehills]

56. CDC says liver cancer rates up 38% from 2003 to 2012

So what agency in the US government tested for glyphosate? Reuters reported the US government does NOT test for glyphosate.
http://www.reuters.com/article/us-food-agriculture-glyphosate-idUSKBN0N82K020150417

I posted some cancers were increasing -

Rising Rates of Sporadic Colorectal Cancer in Young Adults: A Possible Environmental Link
http://am.asco.org/rising-rates-sporadic-colorectal-cancer-young-adults-possible-environmental-link

"New Liver cancer cases and deaths on on the rise in the US - Almost 23,000 people died from liver cancer in 2012. This is a 56% INCREASE in deaths since 2003."
http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/liver/

The Alarming Rise of Pancreatic Cancer Deaths in the U.S.
https://www.pancan.org/reports/report-the-alarming-rise-of-pancreatic-cancer-deaths-in-the-u-s-2/

Copper salts are not great but there are restrictions on using them for organic growers - conventional food uses copper salts plus glyphosate.

[Major Nikon]

58. After being busted for posting bullshit, you just post more bullshit

I posted some cancers were increasing -

Bullshit.

Here was the post you replied to:

And yet the US cancer rate is falling, not rising

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7830180

Here was your response:

Not true - Cancer is an imminent "human disaster" say WHO

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7830627

Your own link even stated it was bullshit.

So what agency in the US government tested for glyphosate? Reuters reported the US government does NOT test for glyphosate.

I posted a link directly from the government agency and even extracted the relevant text for you. If you want something softer than that I'll have to shit in your hand.

Copper salts are not great but there are restrictions on using them for organic growers - conventional food uses copper salts plus glyphosate.

Not great? Over 16 times more toxic and bio-accumulation is just "not great", but you want to whine incessantly over "toxic" glyphosate?

So why are French wine producers abandoning organic production? You think maybe it's because such methods are "not great"?

A winemaker in the Vaucluse has become the latest producer to withdraw his wine from organic certification, citing his concerns over the environmental sustainability of organic winemaking.

http://www.decanter.com/wine-news/french-winemaker-drops-organic-status-for-better-treatments-289349/

[womanofthehills]

72. FROM CDC

New Cancer Cases
We predicted trends in new cancer cases and cancer deaths in the United States to the year 2020.
Between 2010 and 2020, we expect the number of new cancer cases in the United States to go up about 24% in men to more than 1 million cases per year, and by about 21% in women to more than 900,000 cases per year.

The kinds of cancer we expect to increase the most are—

Melanoma (the deadliest kind of skin cancer) in white men and women.
Prostate, kidney, liver, and bladder cancers in men.
Lung, breast, uterine, and thyroid cancers in women.

http://www.cdc.gov/cancer/dcpc/research/articles/cancer_2020.htm

[Major Nikon]

73. The US cancer rate is falling, not rising

The CDC doesn't make your assertion any less of a heaping pile of bullshit. So I'm not sure what you think you're accomplishing here.

And yet the US cancer rate is falling, not rising

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7830180

Here was your response:

Not true - Cancer is an imminent "human disaster" say WHO

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7830627

Your own link even stated it was bullshit.

[womanofthehills]

110. ahhhhhhhhhh

[Major Nikon]

111. ...

[Humanist_Activist]

79. And? That's typical for clinical trials.

Hell, I'm participating in a drug study right now that will pay me, at the end, about 1500 dollars or so over a period of 4 months.

[jmowreader]

52. You're talking about reverting America to peasant agriculture

In 1800, about 83 percent of the American people worked in agriculture. Imagine you and four of your friends in a room. If we get rid of chemicals used in farming, four of the five people in the room will need to be farmers.

We'll ALSO have to return all the land that used to be farmland and is now used for housing to farmland - because non-chemical agriculture takes far more land than chemical agriculture does. You want to be the one to tell my parents (whose house is on a retired strawberry farm) they have to move?

[Major Nikon]

53. Non-chemical agriculture doesn't exist

So-called "organic" agriculture isn't even organic as numerous synthetic substances are specifically allowed, and even the natural alternatives are often more toxic, less sustainable, and have greater environmental impact. Numerous French winemakers have abandoned organic wine production due to the environmental concerns associated with organic pesticides.
http://www.decanter.com/wine-news/french-winemaker-drops-organic-status-for-better-treatments-289349/

So-called "organic" is actually nothing more than a marketing term managed by the USDA's marketing program which specifically states the regulations do not address food safety.

[jmowreader]

55. Oh man...

A lot of anti-chemical people want to return to the days when everyone farmed Amish-style - no chemicals, weeds and bugs controlled by going out in the fields and pulling them by hand, and no machinery.

Naturally, THEY are not going to work on a farm. They have important jobs.

Converting all ag to Amish-style farming is going to require the majority of the population be farmers...and how are we going to convert the majority from what they're doing now to farm work? We don't have enough homeless and unemployed to cover the shortage.

[Major Nikon]

57. Amish farmers use pesticides and even GMO

Only a minority of Amish farmers pursue organic certification. Even those only do so in order to sell to non-Amish chemophobes.

[womanofthehills]

82. Rachel Carson is for zero herbicides

[Major Nikon]

84. More bullshit

Rachael Carson never advocated for a ban on anything, even DDT.

[womanofthehills]

24. A great reason to vote for Bernie

give the FDA back to the people

[snowy owl]

18. Posted on another thread - Farmers suing Monsanto-RU gave them cancer

http://www.alternet.org/food/federal-lawsuit-farmers-claim-monsantos-controversial-roundup-weedkiller-gave-them-cancer

[womanofthehills]

30. The lawsuits are just beginning

and you have America's best lawyers over there at Ring of Fire.

[Major Nikon]

38. As if that makes their case any less hopeless

The conclusions of the European Food Safety Authority (EFSA), following the peer review of the initial risk assessments carried out by the competent authority of the rapporteur Member State Germany, for the pesticide active substance glyphosate are reported. The context of the peer review was that required by Commission Regulation (EU) No 1141/2010 as amended by Commission Implementing Regulation (EU) No 380/2013. The conclusions were reached on the basis of the evaluation of the representative uses of glyphosate as a herbicide on emerged annual, perennial and biennial weeds in all crops [crops including but not restricted to root and tuber vegetables, bulb vegetables, stem vegetables, field vegetables (fruiting vegetables, brassica vegetables, leaf vegetables and fresh herbs, legume vegetables), pulses, oil seeds, potatoes, cereals, and sugar- and fodder beet; orchard crops and vine, before planting fruit crops, ornamentals, trees, nursery plants etc.] and foliar spraying for desiccation in cereals and oilseeds (pre-harvest). The reliable endpoints, concluded as being appropriate for use in regulatory risk assessment and derived from the available studies and literature in the dossier peer reviewed, are presented. Missing information identified as being required by the regulatory framework is listed. Concerns are identified. Following a second mandate from the European Commission to consider the findings from the International Agency for Research on Cancer (IARC) regarding the potential carcinogenicity of glyphosate or glyphosate-containing plant protection products in the on-going peer review of the active substance, EFSA concluded that glyphosate is unlikely to pose a carcinogenic hazard to humans and the evidence does not support classification with regard to its carcinogenic potential according to Regulation (EC) No 1272/2008.

http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/efsajournal/pub/4302

[womanofthehills]

114. Mike Papantonio - voted America's best lawyer - just said

if the World Health Organization says glyphosate is a possible carcinogin - we know that is a big statement for them - it really means it is a definite carcinogen. He says the new studies by other independent labs are coming out and the lawsuits will be following.

[Major Nikon]

116. Sure, a guy voted to the top of the most despised profession in the world

Sounds like about as great of an accomplishment as being voted smartest person in the room at the GOP convention.



Most of the WHO is on record as saying glyphosate isn't a human cancer risk, but you already knew that. The IARC's minority opinion, even within the WHO, has been rejected by a very wide consensus of the scientific community, but you already knew that. Even if someone, you know like a tort lawyer whose makes his money suing people with money, were to actually put any stock in an opinion that nobody else authoritative this side of Bizzaro World does, the claim that "probable" somehow magically turns into "definite" is worth about as much as a bucket of warm spit in a court of law, but he already knows that.

I'm sure these "new studies" will be quite enlightening seeing as how there's only more than 40 years and hundreds of them already, none of which that are remotely credible suggest anything in the same ballpark as what the IARC is suggesting. One of the studies the IARC referenced as evidence even showed a negative risk, which means glyphosate exposure may actually keep you from getting cancer.

The EPA will soon be coming out with their final determination on the subject which will undoubtedly be the same as the EFSA and the rest of the WHO, which is to say the IARC is quite full of shit. But I'm sure you'll just ignore that one as well just like you ignore every other piece of relevant information that doesn't support the beloved cause of chemophobia.

[womanofthehills]

130. The EPA did come out with their final version

and then suddenly they retracted it -

[Major Nikon]

131. Along with 13 other unrelated documents

When they do officially publish it, there won't be any changes.

[womanofthehills]

133. The one they retracted

was stamped FINAL VERSION.

[Major Nikon]

142. Which kinda should be telling you it's the "FINAL VERSION"

Had you actually bothered to figure out why they did so, you'd know they said it was inadvertently published prior to peer review.

[HuckleB]

144. You should probably tell her what peer review means.

Just saying...

[Major Nikon]

147. Perhaps

But then it might tend to confuse people into thinking that just because a Seralini study claims it's "peer reviewed", doesn't mean it wasn't published in a shit journal that will literally publish anything for money and is specifically intended for the consumption of those who don't know that "peer reviewed" can also be used to polish the turd of pseudoscience.

[HuckleB]

148. True. That part of the picture is important.

[HuckleB]

118. The WHO has now said that glyphosate is unlikely to cause cancer.

Papantonio's statement also shows that he willingly ignores the reality of what the IARC is for, and what their statement meant, even though it was based on bad science. That's not exactly a ringing endorsement for anyone.

http://www.aljazeera.com/news/2016/05/monsanto-herbicide-glyphosate-cancer-160516122251162.html

Your whole shtick has been debunked from the get go, and now your only point of reference for your fear mongering is gone.

That's what happens when you spend your time trying to scare people without good reason.

[womanofthehills]

120. Get your facts straight.

The WHO says glyphosate is a probable carcinogen - on a ton of sites.

[HuckleB]

122. My facts are straight, but you are still clinging to something you don't understand.

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/16/glyphosate-unlikely-to-pose-risk-to-humans-unwho-study-says

And then there's some of the information you've ignored before:

FYI number one: http://www.efsa.europa.eu/en/efsajournal/pub/4302

FYI number two: http://www.newyorker.com/news/daily-comment/roundup-and-risk-assessment

FYI number three: http://acsh.org/news/2015/03/23/iarcs-ruling-on-glyphosate-ignores-the-science/

[Major Nikon]

132. You stole my line!

[womanofthehills]

134. So the Guidelines for drinking-water people don't agree with the Agency for Cancer Research

[cleanhippie]

138. Glyphosate unlikely to pose risk to humans, UN/WHO study says

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/16/glyphosate-unlikely-to-pose-risk-to-humans-unwho-study-says

[Major Nikon]

143. Or the WHO people who publish regulation standards for pesticides...

or the WHO people publishing agriculture regulation standards, or the WHO people who monitor food safety, or the EPA, or the EFSA, or the American Council on Science and Health, or German Federal Institute for Risk Assessment, The Joint FAO/WHO Expert Committee on Food Additives, or pretty much every other first world food and water safety regulatory agency on the planet.

Meanwhile the IARC, unlike many of the other organizations mentioned does NOT perform risk assessments, only hazard assessments. What does this mean? It means the IARC doesn't consider whether a given substance has a 1 in gazzillion chance of causing cancer or a 1 in 10 chance of causing cancer, nor do they evaluate whether or not a given substance actually is increasing the number of cancer cases. In other words, all they are doing is establishing a baseline for all those other organizations for risk assessment, and the overwhelming consensus is there's exactly zero observed risk of cancer from glyphosate under anything remotely approaching real world conditions.

So certainly to climate science deniers and other assorted cranks, scientific consensus and practical reality doesn't matter, YMMV.

[HuckleB]

145. This post should be an OP.

Seriously.

[Major Nikon]

149. I'm not sure there's very many people who actually want to know what they parrot out means

That previous poster simply keeps harping on the same speaking points with no real interest in actually trying to figure out what it means. It's just not that hard to tell when basically everything is a duplicate and they are unable to competently answer questions about what they post.

[HuckleB]

150. Probably not many.

Still, I get a "thank you" PM once a month or so from posters who were exposed to good science via something I posted, and then chased things down that road.

[Doremus]

19. Too close for comfort

Our idiotic neighbor sprayed this toxin all over an area of her yard that adjoins ours and is a major pass-through.

When I saw what she was doing I politely asked if she had heard that the WHO recently classed Roundup as a probable carcinogen. She asked how can it do that and I said it's absorbed through our skin and lungs. Her reply? "We all have to die sometime."

Ugh. I asked her to please keep it as far away from the property line as possible and immediately closed the door. This was last week. Yesterday I saw her outside pulling the dead weeds out. Can anybody please tell me why a person would pay money for a weed killer (a known carcinogen, no less), spend time spraying it and then pull the weeds anyway??

Double and triple ugh.

[HuckleB]

21. So, you used baseless fear mongering on your neighbor, and you're proud of this?

Do you realize that no other scientific organization agrees with the IARC? Also, did you know that the IARC does not refer to it as a "known carcinogen?"

http://academicsreview.org/2015/03/iarc-glyphosate-cancer-review-fails-on-multiple-fronts/

Do you realize that they used Seralini in their evidence base, and still only said it equates to working the night shift?

Oh, you didn't know any of that.

Yeah, I know you didn't. You owe your neighbor an apology.

[Major Nikon]

40. What's more telling is even the IARC noted that Seralini was full of shit

They specifically rejected his rat study nonsense, yet that doesn't stop the True Believers® from regurgitating that pseudoscience in pretty much every one of these threads.

[womanofthehills]

46. March against Monsanto thinks his study was right

New Peer-Reviewed Paper’s Bold Statement: Seralini Study on GMOs & Tumors Was Right After All

http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/new-peer-reviewed-papers-bold-statement-seralini-study-on-gmos-tumors-was-right-after-all/

[Major Nikon]

48. Which probably should be telling you something about your nutty sources

The same journal that republished Seralini (without further peer review) also published Benbrook's widely discredited shillery, which just goes to show you shit journals will publish anything, especially when Seralini and Benbrook had to pay money to get them published.

Very telling how you'd regurgitate a known shill like Seralini while in the same thread squealing about shillery, don't you think?

[Archae]

100. March Against Monsanto are "vaccines cause autism" loons.

Or do you believe this bullshit too?

http://www.march-against-monsanto.com/fraud-deceit-malfeasance-the-cdc-is-lying-about-much-more-than-the-mmr/

[womanofthehills]

113. The government did pay out over 3 billion dollars for vaccine injuries

[HuckleB]

119. When You Can't Win On Science...

https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/when-you-cant-win-on-science-invoke-the-law-2/

It's time for you to stop promoting an agenda that will harm people.

[womanofthehills]

127. Actually - some new studies link glyphosate to autism

because it destroys the good gut bacteria .

[HuckleB]

128. ROFLMAO!!! Seneff is not new, and has been debunked!

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You will push any nonsense at all, won't you?



https://skeptoid.com/blog/2013/05/04/roundup-and-gut-bacteria/

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/tamar-haspel/condemning-monsanto-with-_b_3162694.html

And you would know that, if you had read this when I posted it to you, before.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/glyphosate-the-new-bogeyman/

[Archae]

129. Bull...shit.

All you have are wild accusations, and flat-out lies from the organic hucksters.

[Major Nikon]

156. Rock-n-Roll causes devil worship

[womanofthehills]

27. Don't walk where she sprayed or you can track it into your house & it stays on rugs

If it doesn't get sun, it has longer half life - making it dangerous to babies and pets.. Almost all rugs have pesticides tracked from outside - see study below..


From WIKI :The half-life of glyphosate in soil ranges between 2 and 197 days; a typical field half-life of 47 days has been suggested. Soil and climate conditions affect glyphosate's persistence in soil. The median half-life of glyphosate in water varies from a few to 91 days.

Distribution of pesticide residues within homes in central New York State.
Obendorf SK1, Lemley AT, Hedge A, Kline AA, Tan K, Dokuchayeva T.


Residues for 17 pesticides were analyzed in 41 households in central New York State that represented farm, rural, and urban houses. Samples were taken in both summer and winter of 2000-2001 from the same households from four locations; family room carpet; adjacent smooth floor; flat tabletop surface; and settled dust collected in a Petri dish on a tabletop. Pesticide residues were analyzed to identity factors that influence both the transport into and the redistribution of pesticides in the indoor environment. Differences were observed between the various pesticides and pesticide classifications relative to location within and between households as well as by season. Variations in the pesticide residues were related to a number of factors. Higher residues were observed in the farm households, particularly in summer, with the highest amount observed for chloropyrifos in carpet (33 microg/m2). For many pesticides, the frequency of detection and the amount of residues were higher in summer, which relates to usage patterns in agriculture and horticulture; however, larger amounts of insecticides such as mecoprop, resmethrin, and tetramethrin were found on flat surfaces in winter, indicating household use and possible redistribution within the home. Distribution patterns suggest that routines within a household may cause high variation in residues; these practices include indoor pets and treatment for fleas and ticks, use of termiticides, and fastidiousness of occupants. Frequency of pesticide detection was highest in carpet for both summer and winter for all households, indicating that carpets hold pesticides over time. Adsorbent fibrous materials such as textiles hold pesticides by macro- and micro-occlusion in their complex structures. Amounts of pesticide residue were higher in carpets than on smooth floors, particularly for rural farm households where the farmer was a certified pesticide applicator. The maximum amount of pesticide residue on a smooth floor surface was 13.6 microg/m2 malathion while the maxima on wiped surfaces and in settled dust were 1.8 microg/m2 2, 4 D and 3 microg/m2 pendimethalin, respectively. Physical properties of individual pesticides such as vapor pressure influenced the distribution of the pesticide within the households. Evidence of volatilization of pesticides and redeposition on surfaces was observed, indicating that this is a mechanism for contamination of surfaces in addition to adsorption on airborne particles and tracking. High residues in winter are evidence that closure of households in winter that reduces ventilation results in redistribution of pesticides within households.

[Major Nikon]

41. Don't look now but virtually every single thing you ingest has a pesticide load

...and there's no way to avoid it.

[ailsagirl]

25. Great news!! n/t

[jmowreader]

50. Extreme overexaggeration is never the way to win my heart

According to http://enveurope.springeropen.com/articles/10.1186/s12302-016-0070-0, roughly 8.6 billion kilograms (about 4 million tons) of glyphosate have been applied worldwide since 1974. They believe three-quarters of that have been sprayed in the last ten years, so 300,000 tons of glyphosate have been put down per year.

300,000 tons is a far cry from "100 million tons."

[Major Nikon]

51. Food Babe fan

That alone should tell you all you need to know.

Leave it to a trial lawyer not to tell the whole truth. 3 out of 4 WHO agencies that have commented on glyphosate are on record saying it does not present a cancer or human health risk. Yet he represents a minority opinion within the WHO as the only one. Not to mention the EU agency that actually regulates pesticides has specifically said in a peer reviewed study that the IARC was in error, but you won't hear that from the OP or that source. Instead the poster just pretends that doesn't exist.

[U4ikLefty]

54. Nice OP. You made the brigade angry.

It must have hit close to home, because they are piling on real hard.

Good work

[womanofthehills]

59. Thanks U4ikLefty

It's the same old Monsanto loving gang!

[HuckleB]

60. The OP spreads misinformation.

Why are you ok with that?

[U4ikLefty]

75. Example #1

[HuckleB]

92. In other words, you can only offer ugly ad hominem silliness.

As you work to promote misinformation.

That's not ok.

[Major Nikon]

68. This is what anger really looks like

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7830520

The anger at a quite viable bio-technology that has the potential to save millions of children's lives is quite telling, don't you think?

[U4ikLefty]

76. Example #2

[EvolveOrConvolve]

71. Of course we pile on

The OP is advocating a position that will cause death and sickness; that will cause environmental degradation; that will cost us money and time and our health. Why wouldn't we pile on? We pile on this horseshit the same way we pile on right-wing talking points and any other bat-shit crazy points of view.

[Major Nikon]

74. Some of the same people get all butthurt when homeopathy, anti-vax, and other crazy talk is piled on

It's as if they feel they have a right to post the most outrageous nuttery imaginable, yet nobody else has the right to call bullshit. If anyone dares to blow the lid off the scam, they MUST be part of the conspiracy.

[U4ikLefty]

77. try harder, you didn't make the cut as one of the brigade.

Stay plucky little one.

[Major Nikon]

81. Unfortunate to be sure

Personally I'm quite proud to be identified as one far removed from the coffee enema, homeopath, chemtrail, cult of the True Believers® and wear my badge with honor.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

85. Ah, I must have touched a nerve

I normally only get that level of sarcastic condescension from a woo-meister after multiple posts.

[Major Nikon]

86. That's probably why you don't make the cut

It should only take one point of fact to be accused of being a shill.

[U4ikLefty]

88. Oh how cute, he responded. The only nerve you hit was my pity nerve.

I feel sorry for the knee-jerk defenders of scum like Monsanto so they can build their "skeptic" cred. You are neither unique nor interesting.

The other two at least have a niche. Major misrepresents others & then attacks. Huckle screams SCIENCE and attacks with blue links, smileys and insulting PMs. You.....you've show me nothing. Back under the bridge little one,you don't interest me enough to mock.

[EvolveOrConvolve]

89. You mistake a defense of rational thought for a defense of Monsanto

I'd accuse you of doing it on purpose, but I'm not sure you're self-aware enough to think that far ahead or that deeply.

We can explain the science to you over and over and over, but we can't understand it for you.

[U4ikLefty]

90. Pedestrian and derivative insult....try harder little one.

Those training wheels will come off soon.

[Major Nikon]

95. As opposed to childishly silly insults?

Example #1

Example #2

If that's your idea of advanced, it certainly explains quite a bit.

[G_j]

135. +1

[HuckleB]

139. Why do you support the spread of misinformation?

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[Boudica the Lyoness]

87. We use gallons of Round Up.

We (husband, me and son) industrial farm, as some call it. As farmers, without chemicals our yields would be so low we couldn't stay in business and there would be global starvation.

Like all serious producers we irrigate and if we were to skip the chemicals, go organic, we would be wasting huge amounts of precious water because the yields would be so low and the stand full of weeds.

Round Up is very mild and only kills the weeds it touches. We can spray out an old crop and reseed right away.

Let's hear it for Round Up

[Major Nikon]

102. Prepared to be lambasted for heresy

No doubt someone will accuse you of working for MonSatan Monsanto, even though Round up is totally not carcinogenic and less toxic than household salt and vinegar.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

155. They don't live in the real world.

We wish we didn't have to apply chemicals, and irrigate. .. oh and take all that financial risk and work so hard. It's easy for them to complain because their food doesn't come from farms, it comes from the grocery store.

[womanofthehills]

115. Your house must be contaminated with Roundup

farmers have the most pesticides/herbicides in their houses - it blows in and they track it in on their feet.

[Boudica the Lyoness]

117. Round up doesn't blow about.

We spray only when conditions are good. Farmers are careful and care more about the land than you do.

Farming is very dangerous and thank goodness there are brave souls to take the risks. The biggest risks we take are financial by the way. Without us you and millions others would starve to death. Your little gardens, while lovely, cannot feed the world.

Round Up is the safest chemical we use.

[womanofthehills]

121. Check all the new info coming out -

[HuckleB]

123. Let's start with the real-world damage the anti-GMO movement is doing.

http://weedcontrolfreaks.com/2016/05/as-consumers-shift-to-non-gmo-sugar-farmers-may-be-forced-to-abandon-environmental-and-social-gains/

and...

http://www.mnfarmliving.com/2016/05/hershey-little-gmo-secret.html

And then we can talk about the WHO agreeing with the rest of the world's scientists on the safety of glyphosate.
http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/16/glyphosate-unlikely-to-pose-risk-to-humans-unwho-study-says

[womanofthehills]

124. check out this documentary I posted recently

[HuckleB]

125. Youtube "science" with Seralini, Carman, and all the rest of the debunked nonsense.

How do you think that crap offers any response to real world science?

Judy Carman and her pig silliness was debunked years ago.
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/once-more-bad-science-in-the-service-of-anti-gmo-activism/

Gut bacteria silliness debunked
https://www.sciencebasedmedicine.org/glyphosate-the-new-bogeyman/

Seralini? Really? We have to go there, again? Sheesh.

And you appear to have misheard one of the silly fiction-based claims. That was funny. But I am keeping it to myself.

Moms Across America debunked:
http://academicsreview.org/2014/04/debunking-pseudo-science-lab-testing-health-risk-claims-about-glyphosate-roundup/

And the ugly attacks the fiction-based fear mongers pushed upon a good scientist are just despicable.
http://www.science20.com/genetic_literacy_project/nutritionist_attacked_after_debunking_glyphosate_in_milk_study_heres_how_she_responded-156878

[Major Nikon]

151. Produced by Putin's mouthpiece of disinformation, RT no less

[Boudica the Lyoness]

153. Rubbish

Without Round Up millions would starve to death. The world population is not the same as it was when dairy maids went a milking with their little stools.

I just came in for a quick rest before I go back out and apply more Round Up. I'm going to add a little bit of 24D to make the Canadian thistle hang their heads in shame.

Just wondering; What do you do when the county weed inspector informs you that you have noxious weeds growing all along your farm roads and meadows? Get find?

[womanofthehills]

136. How Dangerous Is Pesticide Drift?

What is “pesticide drift,” and should I be worried about it?—Nicole Kehoe, Burlington, Vt.

"If you live near a big farm or an otherwise frequently manicured landscape, “pesticide drift”—drifting spray and dust from pesticide applications—could be an issue for you and yours. Indeed, pesticide drift is an insidious threat to human health as well as to wildlife and ecosystems in and around agricultural and even residential areas where harsh chemicals are used to ward off pests. The biggest risk from pesticide drift is to those living, working or attending school near larger farms which employ elevated spraying equipment or crop duster planes to apply chemicals to crops and fields. Children are especially vulnerable to these airborne pesticides, given that their young bodies are still growing and developing."

http://www.scientificamerican.com/article/pesticide-drift/

[Major Nikon]

152. The decline in the pirate population could also be causing global warming

[Boudica the Lyoness]

154. Their bodies are not going to grow without grub.

[libodem]

101. Hell to the yeah

WooHoo

[HuckleB]

126. Spreading misinformation is so cool!

Er, wait.

[G_j]

140. You ought to know.. nt

[HuckleB]

141. Prove I've done it.

You can't, because I don't do it. This OP spreads misinformation, and that has been shown, and yet you support it. That's not ok.

[cleanhippie]

137. Glyphosate unlikely to pose risk to humans, UN/WHO study says

http://www.theguardian.com/environment/2016/may/16/glyphosate-unlikely-to-pose-risk-to-humans-unwho-study-says

Stop with the deception and fear mongering.

[HuckleB]

146. But misinforming people in order to scare them is so "progressive."

Wait. No, it's not. It's the opposit of progressive, which, of course, is why I used quotes in my ...