Flipping the script or changing the script? (POLL)

[Rebkeh]

This has been a most telling election season for the left, things I long suspected have come to light. For example, the idea of Trump losing voters to a progressive candidate is somehow a mark against the progressive and his supporters – how on earth is the possibility of Trump leaking votes a bad thing? Up is down, apparently.

While some adapt quickly to change, others take more time. Those who take more time stabilize things as change comes and goes, which is not necessarily a bad thing. Until, that is, they resist change altogether.

This election season has been clarifying for me, it has brought to the surface, in starker terms, the difference between liberals and progressives. Liberals don’t necessarily aim to un-rig the system, they aim to make the rigging work in their favor, while keeping the ‘us vs them’ model intact. Once they get money, power and/or status, they have no problem with the status quo. They mask this in wanting equal opportunity for the disadvantaged without addressing the inherent inequality built into the "opportunity" and "access" arguments. They are lefties who want change, but they don’t want to change.

Progressives, on the other hand, appear to be interested in progress, they aim to un-rig the system so there is justice for all people.

There are some progressives, though fewer than most think, that want to reverse the rigging back to their favor. Then there are liberals who want to reverse the rigging to finally start working in theirs. These two groups are the people who are fighting – the rest of us are trying to keep it in perspective – the rigging itself is the problem.

This has been a weird election, but I wouldn’t have it any other way. Change is in the air. Social issues alone are no longer enough to unite the left, it's time to go deeper.

POLL: Do you believe the political system can be unrigged for everyone? (explain below)

For the record, my answer is the last one but it’s up to us, we can do it now or later, but we are going to do it. At some point we will have no other choice.

One final note, also my personal opinion here, the progressives are on the right side of history - you cannot get justice for all from an unjust system. And as long as there is someone on the bottom, there is a threat of you ending up there too - the struggle for equality never stops because there is no justice to be had in this model.

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	Can be unrigged for everyone
	1 (20%)
	Cannot be unrigged for everyone
	0 (0%)
	Can but won't be - is impossible
	0 (0%)
	Can be but is unlikely or implausible
	4 (80%)
	Will be eventually - is inevitable - it's just a matter of when
	0 (0%)
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[dembotoz]

1. don't think i will live to see it

both sides way to eager to cheer corporations

[Rebkeh]

2. There's that problem too, I agree. I should have noted that. nt

[NV Whino]

3. It won't happen without a revolution.

Even then, there will still be a top and a bottom. The key is grow the middle, which will minimalize the top and bottom and keep both in check.

[Rebkeh]

4. I agree about a revolution, in the strict sense of the word, hopefully a peaceful one

But I disagree that the key is to grow the middle. Keeping the top and bottom in check is to keep right on with a failed model. It doesn't actually change anything. It changes the proportions, it does not fix the problem. And with climate change, we have to fix the problem - we literally have no choice.

The whole idea that the top/bottom set up cannot be changed isn't true. We can change it if we want to. Problem is those who benefit don't want to and those who don't don't realize their own power. Making things worse is that the people up top will always obscure our options.