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Tue May 24, 2016, 12:42 PM

Why all the hate towards Cornell West?

He is a champion of the progressive movement and a champion of human rights. Why is he getting attacked? How can you attack him and be for racial equality? How can you attack him and still call yourself a liberal?

That is all.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:46 PM

1. Actually like West and enjoy listening to him. But, I think he doesn't like Obama

because Obama didn't choose West as an advisor. Politics is a cess pool of petty jealousy.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:52 PM

6. But

I do not think of him as showing petty emotions of jealousy.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #6)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:02 PM

14. You might not but many do.

 

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Response to Egnever (Reply #14)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:04 PM

15. When

Has he showed emotions of jealousy?

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #15)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:05 PM

17. Moslty right after Obama was elected

 

but it has been ongoing since the election and Obama refused to make him an adviser.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #17)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:28 PM

44. Because he picked neoliberal financial people like Larry Summers and Tim Geithner for starters

 

Because he continued and escalated the drone policy and backed down on his promise to close Guantanamo. The list goes on and many of us were disappointed in those things. I love Obama, but I have no problem critiquing the decisions he made that I disagree with and neither does West.

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #44)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:31 PM

47. You can give reasons all you want

 

Doesn't change the fact people were put off by Cornell's reaction and the way he handled it.
The op asked why people don't like him. Not what made Cornell go off or why you think he did.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #47)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:23 PM

112. he's for single payer which works.

Single payer would not intentionally discourage people from using it.

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Response to Baobab (Reply #112)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:25 PM

116. So what?

 

That makes claiming Obama is the first Niggardized president OK?

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Response to Egnever (Reply #116)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:51 PM

140. Correct...his attitude towards Obama

 

whether he was right or wrong were petty, and stern when he could have made an intelligent case to his disagreements.

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Response to Perseus (Reply #140)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:53 PM

142. Exactly!

 

He had the standing to make principled arguments that mattered and instead he let his hate get in the way.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #142)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:24 PM

186. Ultimately West like many of us is disappointed in Obama ......

because he ran as a a progressive that was going to change the system and he turned out to be an another moderate Republican, protecting the Wall Street banks, advocating cuts to Social Security and promoting corporate power grab trade deals.

It took courage for West to tell the truth about Obama...

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #186)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:27 PM

195. No he did not run as a progressive

 

That is revisionist claptrap. He was very clear about who he was, the fact that so many projected what they wanted onto him has absolutely nothing to do with the reality of what he ran on.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #195)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:20 PM

283. When Obama promised to...

Become the most transparent administration in history
End Bush tax cuts for the rich
Put on a comfortable pair of walking shoes to walk the picket line in support of labor
Protect Social Security from cuts
Limit the influence of special interests
Allow Americans access to the foreign prescription drug market
Public option

anyone who took those promises at face value and assumed that Obama's values were progressive were projecting? So then are we also projecting if we simply say he lied to us?

Just wondering if we're going to get the same accusations if Hillary filps on the TPP and backs away from her adoption of Bernie's progressive agenda.. Maybe you can let us know beforehand, is Hillary a progressive?

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #283)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:40 PM

289. He isn't king

 

and he worked for much of that.

Become the most transparent administration in history
The President and the Attorney General have issued directives to all federal agencies calling on them to increase transparency across the government. The Attorney General called on OIP to provide guidance and training to agencies in the implementation of these enhanced transparency initiatives.


End Bush tax cuts for the rich
In late 2012, with the fiscal cliff crisis pressuring both sides to act, Obama came out of the ordeal with a compromise. A law passed just before 11 p.m. on Jan. 1, 2013, permanently raised rates on families making more than $450,000 and $400,000 for individuals. It's a higher income threshold than Obama sought, but it accomplishes his philosophical goal of asking the wealthy to pay more. We rate this a Compromise.


Protect Social Security from cuts
Here again he is not king and he has not pushed for cutting SS He did express a willingness to move it to a chained CPI in order to make a broader deal with the republicans who were pushing to slash benefits, and when he called their bluff they backed down and we have not seen it since.

Allow Americans access to the foreign prescription drug market
Again not a king and he had previously voted for it and pushed for it. The fact that the ACA eliminated that possibility was a trade off he was willing to make to get the reforms in that he did get. You rarely get everything you want in a negotiation and the idea that Obama got everything he wanted in the ACA is specious.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #289)

Tue May 24, 2016, 05:42 PM

302. Transparent is just another word for useless

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #302)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:14 PM

309. I think that comment says pretty much everything about your stance on this subject

 

and quite honestly your stance on this president.

Going forward I am going to have to stop taking your comments seriously as they apparently have little to no basis in any sort of reality.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #309)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:33 PM

315. Well it's because

To compromise with the conservatives is to compromise with evil. Unlike you I'm not on the side of evil

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Response to Egnever (Reply #289)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:23 PM

313. You just said he never campaigned as a liberal...

These are all things one would expect from a Republican.. So you're right maybe the establishment Democrats campaign should reflect their REAL political ideology so there's no confusion..

Lets kill two birds with one stone.. Transparency and allowing the US drug companies to gouge the American public..
While the negotiations for Obamacare were underway the Obama administration secretly met with US drug companies to guarantee they would not have to compete on the global market..

Chained CP! would result in cuts to Social Security benefits. And when did Democrats start pushing for cuts in Social Security in an era when seniors are struggling economically?

The Obama's administration has been one of the least transparent in modern history...His "Insider Threat Program" is more like something Dick Nixon would cook up than anything you'd expect from a Democratic President.. Obama has prosecuted more whistle blowers than Bush did..

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #283)

Tue May 24, 2016, 05:36 PM

301. +1

 

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Response to Egnever (Reply #195)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:04 PM

320. No, he was not at all clear about who he was. I voted for him because he was NEW--

--a fresh new face, making vague speeches about "hope"--compared to the clusterfuck that I knew, even then, a Hillary Clinton presidency would be. Because of his vagueness on so many important issues, I did not expect much from Obama, and I feared that his young supporters were in for a big disillusionment. I feared they would drop out of politics--and that absolutely would have happened this year if it wasn't for the Bernie Sanders campaign, which is NOT vague: $15/hr. Restore free tuition at public colleges. Paid family leave. Single payer health care that you can believe in. Dismantle the banksters. END campaign money corruption. Climate change action is our MORAL responsibility.

As Sanders says, don't think small, think big! That way, you can get some of what you want and can work on getting the rest. If you think small, then even a public option goes off the table, and you get the mind-boggling complexity and evil profiteering of insurance-run and big pharma-run health care, that leaves millions out and leaves those in it still impoverished by premiums, co-pays and skyrocketing drug prices, and with lousy coverage.

Obama wasn't vague about a public option. I'll admit that. He pulled a Hillary: for it during the election, deep-sixed it after the election. But he was vague on just about everything else, like WHY we should feel "hope" when a trillion dollars of OUR money was going right into the pockets of the criminal banksters, and like what do we about war criminals and master thieves Bush, Cheney & Rumsfeld (one billion dollars gone missing in Iraq--NOT TO MENTION all the criminal private contractors who sucked up billions more of OUR money). Um, "we need to look forward not backward." They teach that at Harvard Law School, but it only applies to the rich and powerful who commit crimes, and only if those crimes were committed in the past. (Lol.)

Talk about VAGUE. He wasn't even coherent on THAT matter.

I'll give him credit for what he's doing now, to try to UNDO the harm that Clinton did in the Middle East and North Africa and in Latin America with her actions as Secretary of State: i.e., Libya (what is called "Hillary's War" in Washington DC, an even bigger clusterfuck than Iraq, in its effects), and Honduras, which aroused the anger of the entirety of Latin America at yet another U.S.-engineered "regime change" in their region. Obama's nuclear deal with Iran, his opening to Cuba and his support for the Colombia/FARC peace talks--all led by John Kerry as SoS--are mitigating actions to improve relations in these regions.

I am glad for those Obama-Kerry actions, but not at all glad about the vagaries of Obama's "hope" that he carried into the White House, which continue to leave multi-millions of Americans impoverished and working 2 or even 3 jobs at shit wages just to eat and feed their families, which continue to leave the elderly stranded with inadequate incomes and bewildering programs like the Medicare drug program--a welfare program for Big Pharma--with our system STILL prosecuting poor people for marijuana possession while the war criminals and banksters go scot free, with mass incarceration of the poor, the black and the brown, with our militarized police shooting or strangling black people to death for standing on a sidewalk, with the horrendous mass disenfranchisement of the poor, the black and the brown, and with NOTHING WHATSOEVER done about this by our President or our Democratic Party, along with their doing nothing about gerrymandering, Citizens' United and 'TRADE SECRET' voting machines.

Vagueness about what "hope" means. Doing little or nothing about the practical things that make hope REAL. All he's really done is stand there being black. That IS hopeful. That IS courageous. But it is not enough in a country and world faced with climate catastrophe and economic collapse as a consequence of climate catastrophe. That is the reality. And Obama's vagueness about all things that impact the 99% is not a good answer to it. And TPP is a terrible answer to it. He's not vague about that.

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Response to raindaddy (Reply #186)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:37 PM

214. thank you-

for democracy to work we all need to be able to discuss issues without being attacked. I think Cornell West raised legitimate issues about whether Obama was acting in the interests of the black community - the fact is, he was part of a group of people in Chicago who made careers out of gentrification that left the vast majority of black Chicagoans behind. When GATS was signed in 1995 that meant no more public housing but nobody knew this, his friends were able to make a huge amount of money by moving poor people out of public housing into badly built and maintained for profit housing built with grant money, and the neglecting it until people ended up suing the landlords.. one ended up in jail for stealing some huge amount of money. Then the land which had held the public housing was turned into million dollar condos.

A friend of the poor would not have done that, IMHO.

I should add here that I am not black- so please excuse me for saying this if it seems like I have no right to comment on it- but I like Cornell West and have enjoyed reading his points of view and seeing him interviewed on therealnews.com

I grew up a "nonmarital child" so i am familiar with discrimination.

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Response to Baobab (Reply #214)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:58 PM

263. I have no issue with people dissagreeing

 

People are welcome to their opinions. What Cornel has done to Obama though goes way beyond Opinion from my perspective and it is why I don't care for him.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #116)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:34 PM

208. Results...

On Tue May 24, 2016, 12:27 PM an alert was sent on the following post:

So what?
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1002&pid=7853457

REASON FOR ALERT

This post is disruptive, hurtful, rude, insensitive, over-the-top, or otherwise inappropriate.

ALERTER'S COMMENTS

this crosses a line for me- I think its offensive and racist. Thank you

You served on a randomly-selected Jury of DU members which reviewed this post. The review was completed at Tue May 24, 2016, 12:34 PM, and the Jury voted 1-6 to LEAVE IT.

Juror #1 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Looks more like he is asking how its ok for Cornell West to make that claim http://dailycaller.com/2015/06/22/cornel-west-obama-is-the-first-nr-ized-president-video/ rather than using it in an offensive manner himself.
Juror #2 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: No explanation given
Juror #3 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: The poster is paraphrasing Cornell West, the subject of this thread. In general I'd vote to hide a post that uses such an inflammatory expression, but in context I think it's allowable as it is something West has said.
Juror #4 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
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Juror #6 voted to LEAVE IT ALONE
Explanation: Its going on down thread too. Hide them all?
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Response to Major Nikon (Reply #208)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:37 PM

215. Guess the alerter doesn't think much of Cornel's phrasing either..

 

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Response to Egnever (Reply #215)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:44 PM

228. It was me, and I apologize, I realized right after I didit that it was a mistake.

knee jerk reaction..

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Response to Baobab (Reply #228)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:07 PM

274. No problem

 

but I take it by your knee jerk reaction that you find it as offensive as many others do and can understand why we dislike Cornel because of statements like that.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #274)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:10 PM

275. Bad choice of words, I agree with that. Need for carve outs.

We need carve outs on trade deals so that bad things dont happen which will pit African Americans against Africans in competition for the same jobs, here.

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Response to Baobab (Reply #275)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:19 PM

281. Not sure exactly what you mean by carve outs

 

Having said that I am more than open to discussing differing opinions on trade agreements. It is when you start to demonize the people on the other side of the argument that I find it to be a problem.

Not you as in you personally as I don't see you doing that.

Cornel on the other hand seems to have been offended by Obama and has made a few too many questionable remarks about Obama because of it. There are lot's of incredible leaders in the AA community that can make incredibly sound arguments for their cause without bringing the discourse down to the level that Cornel seems wont to bring it to. Agree or disagree with those people I have respect for them and their Opinions.

In this thread my opinion is limited to my feelings about Cornel and because of his many disparaging statements I find him to be offensive regardless of the fact that I agree with him on many issues.

Peace!

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Response to Egnever (Reply #281)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:24 PM

284. Peace!

...

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Response to Egnever (Reply #47)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:27 PM

117. So they don't like him because

He put principles above loyalty to his race?
For what other reason would there be to ditch progressive principles and praise someone who put neocons in our government?

And so why people don't like him becomes because progressive principles are not the first priority for them.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #117)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:29 PM

120. LOL

 

"But too many black people are niggerized. I would say the first black president has become the first niggerized black president."

That isn't honesty

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Response to Egnever (Reply #120)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:35 PM

124. That is a POV...Opinion.

And when one gives it, it is an act of honesty.

Don't confuse that with facts.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #124)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:42 PM

130. And in my opinion and that of many others it is offensive

 

That you think it is great does not change the fact many disagree. The OP asked why the hate. That is one statement of many he has made that evoke the feelings towards him the OP is asking about.

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Response to zeemike (Reply #117)

Wed May 25, 2016, 02:03 AM

376. Same reason they hate Susan Sarandon

 

It's just what they do.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #47)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:01 PM

156. So you don't like him because?

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Response to KPN (Reply #156)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:06 PM

167. Just one of many repulsive comments he has made

 

But too many black people are niggerized. I would say the first black president has become the first niggerized black president.


You are free to think that is just peachy keen if you like but I find it offensive and it is just one of many repulsive comments he has made in regards to Obama.

He is welcome to disagree all he likes I have no issue with that but he goes beyond disagreement with comments like the one above.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #167)

Tue May 24, 2016, 05:55 PM

307. Whatever the hell it means, it does sound like there's some

attitude there. I see your point. The man is President of the US after all.

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Response to KPN (Reply #307)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:19 PM

312. Thanks

 

Feel free to disagree with Obama all you wan't but Cornel seems to have a penchant for making it personal and it is for that reason I don't like him.

Here is something else he said that I think goes to his mindset when it comes to Obama and I assume from the comment anything he disagrees with.

During a private conversation, West asked how I escaped being dubbed an “Obama hater” when I was just as critical of the president as he was. I shared my three-part formula for discussing Obama before black audiences: Start with love for the man and pride in his epic achievement; focus on the unprecedented acrimony he faces as the nation’s first black executive; and target his missteps and failures. No matter how vehemently I disagree with Obama, I respect him as a man wrestling with an incredibly difficult opportunity to shape history. West looked into my eyes, sighed, and said: “Well, I guess that’s the difference between me and you. I don’t respect the brother at all.


My dislike for him predates his association with Bernie by many years and quite honestly I had no idea until this thread he had any association with Bernie at all.


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Response to Egnever (Reply #312)

Wed May 25, 2016, 12:14 AM

368. Ah. Understandable.

At the same time, I sincerely hope you don't put Bernie in the same category. He, at least, is running against Hillary -- not just taking pot shots from the sideline. She's not yet President.

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Response to KPN (Reply #368)

Wed May 25, 2016, 12:24 AM

369. Nope no problem with Bernie at all

 

I don't have show stopping issues with either of our candidates.

I like both of them in their own ways. I like Bernie for his commitment to social equality and I like Clinton for her resolve in the face of adversity. Both would make a much better president than the Donald no questions about it.

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #44)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:24 PM

113. I'm with you on that. Fully. Thanks.

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Response to Ned_Devine (Reply #44)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:54 PM

145. The Libya attack was absolute madness..........

 

I don't love Obama....but I think he is about the most progressive president we have had in my lifetime and has moved the US forward domestically more so than has been done in the last 50 years.

Healthcare, Coal, Pollution, Housing, Food access, job creation..........Obama has set us on the path to being competitive in the modern world. Let's just hope our next president doesn't undo all these great things.

How we integrate the horrible things that Obama has done with the wonderful things really depends on our historical perspective and life experiences. I think Cornel west's dislike of Obama is warranted, I just wonder if he would feel differently if he wasn't such an idealist.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #15)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:37 PM

56. Do some research, for God's sake.

It's pretty well know West is highly disliked in the African American community because of his attack on President Obama.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:10 PM

21. No. He doesn't like Obama because Obama sold out.

Cornel West: “He posed as a progressive and turned out to be counterfeit. We ended up with a Wall Street presidency, a drone presidency.”

http://www.salon.com/2014/08/24/cornel_west_he_posed_as_a_progressive_and_turned_out_to_be_counterfeit_we_ended_up_with_a_wall_street_presidency_a_drone_presidency/

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Response to Octafish (Reply #21)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:20 PM

28. Except that Obama didn't pose as a progressive.

Gotta love revisionist history.

If the clearly well-read Dr. West had bothered to read Obama's books, he would have concluded that Obama's entire belief system was built on compromise and bringing people together.

The much noted speech at the DNC in 2004 was loaded with these themes: "There's not a liberal America or a conservative America. There's the United States of America".

Similarly, had Dr. West bothered to actually pay attention during the '08 campaign, he would have noted that Obama's message was *still* about bringing people together and working with the other side of the aisle to move the country forward.

Obama was never going to be a progressive in office, because he was never the ultra-liberal some claim they thought he was. That would have been counter to everything that anyone who bothered to pay attention knew about him.

Hell, he ran to the right of Clinton who, to some Sanders supporters, is already far right.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #28)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:33 PM

50. This a million times this ^^^^^

 

He has never claimed to be the liberal savior ever. He has governed exactly as he said he would.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #50)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:15 PM

103. and a lot of people don't like Clinton and would rather see anyone in the White House than

another Clinton. And it was history making. And he could talk pretty. And people on here don't like hearing all that but, in the real world it is what it is.

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #103)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:18 PM

107. I have zero problem with that

 

I couldn't care less who other people want in the white house. That is their personal decision and they are welcome to it.

When you want to call Obama the first niggarized president though you can just fuck off.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #107)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:20 PM

108. I didin't call him that and guess what you are nasty and welcome to ignore.

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Response to Hiraeth (Reply #108)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:33 PM

122. Nope Cornel did

 

Glad you can recognize how nasty that is.

So bad you put me on ignore yet somehow because he supports Bernie you think it is excusable. Says pretty much everything about this whole thing.



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Response to Egnever (Reply #107)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:15 PM

277. that is

the base of it. West is free to disagree, but he went further than that. West used racially charged language to describe Obama. In doing do he gave cover to the teabagger types when they used racially charged language concerning Obama.

Look CW said these words, I can to, there is nothing wrong with it.

I won't get into whether he was or was not correct in his opinion, but while he was busy using racially charged rhetoric to advance his opinion, the RW was using the same words to describe Obama personally and felt justified in doing so. West is a smart man. I am sure he could have gotten his views and opinions across without feeding into the RW hate machine. He chose not to. He chose to belittle Obama and the history he made instead.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #50)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:29 PM

199. re: "He has governed exactly as he said he would."

I guess I missed the renegotiation of NAFTA. The public option in the ACA. The reassessment of the Patriot Act. The withdrawal from Afghanistan and end of unnecessary military interventions, where American interest are not directly threatened and the outcome is unclear (see Libya).

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Response to Egnever (Reply #209)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:54 PM

251. Those were promises that never happened

From your link:" NAFTA needs to be amended

There’s no doubt that NAFTA needs to be amended. I’ve already said I would contact the president of Mexico and the prime minister of Canada to make sure that labor agreements are enforceable. But I did want to just go back briefly to the issue of trade and human rights that you had mentioned. We have to stand for human rights, and that should be part of the trade equation"

When did we "amend" NAFTA again?

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Response to BuelahWitch (Reply #251)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:04 PM

270. Well one could argue it is part of the TPP

 

Since Mexico is one of the countries that are a part of that agreement. You may disagree with the outcome but it certainly a renegotiation of the agreement.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #270)

Wed May 25, 2016, 12:39 PM

435. No, it is not an amendment to NAFTA.

Come on. I've read your posts in this thread and disagree, but you have been civil. However, coming across this post, it seems now that you will post anything to justify Obama's policies.

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Response to Fantastic Anarchist (Reply #435)

Wed May 25, 2016, 02:04 PM

439. No you are right it is not an amendment to nafta

 

However it does affect many of the things nafta did not address and will change the way nafta is implemented.

By that standard it is a renegotiation of nafta.

Like I said one could argue it is a renegotiation. Many of the countries that are signatories to the TPP already have free trade agreements with America. The TPP will consolidate those agreements all under one umbrella with added provisions in place.


As far as justifying Obama I suppose it could be seen that way. Really though I just don't buy all the histrionics surrounding TPP and the more I read on it the less I believe them.

I have no problem with disagreement on that as others are certainly entitled to their opinion However most of the people I have discussed this with so far with strong opinions on it seem to base those opinions on blog posts with little to no real information other than we decided it was bad.

Meanwhile the two major studies I have read on its impact both come to much different conclusions based on economic models going out 15 to 20years

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #28)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:44 PM

65. Easy to see why you love revisionist history.


Q: Where do you stand on the financial recovery plan?

A: We are going through the worst financial crisis since the Great Depression. As we engage in this important rescue effort, we’ve got to make sure that we’ve got oversight over this whole process. $700 billion, potentially, is a lot of money. We’ve got to make sure that taxpayers have the possibility of getting that money back--and gains--if & when the market returns. We’ve got to make sure none of that money is going to pad CEO bank accounts or t promote golden parachutes. We’ve got to make sure we’re helping homeowners, because the root problem has to do with the foreclosures taking place all across the country. This is a final verdict on 8 years of failed economic policies--a theory that says w can shred regulations & consumer protections and give more to the most, and somehow prosperity will trickle down. It hasn’t worked. The fundamentals of the economy have to be measured by whether or not the middle class is getting a fair shake.

Source: 2008 first presidential debate, Obama vs. McCain Sep 26, 2008

http://www.ontheissues.org/2008/Barack_Obama_Budget_+_Economy.htm


TARP Funds for Housing Relief: 90% Unspent



"My administration is the only thing between you and the pitchforks." -- President Barack Obama, April 3, 2009

So, yeah. Revise away.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #65)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:46 PM

68. Your proof is one Q & A and a link to TARP?

That's one of the funniest things I've ever seen on DU.

Seriously, thank you for the giggle. It made my day.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #68)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:49 PM

70. I agree that was pretty funny!

Credit where credit is due!

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Response to zappaman (Reply #70)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:54 PM

79. zappaman!

The guy who met Frank Zappa two or three times yet never quotes him or his songs.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #79)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:02 PM

94. Dude!


Gotta run!
Gonna shake an astronauts hand!

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #68)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:53 PM

77. Compared to your word it is.

Think about it.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #68)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:58 PM

262. At least it shows he did some research

Which seems more than you are willing to do. Throwing a tantrum: "No he didn't! No he didn't! No he didn't!" doesn't mean shit only that you have very bad manners.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #28)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:51 PM

73. A-friggin'-men!

 

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #28)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:51 PM

242. health care plan

Do you think he should have disclosed the facts detailed here?- basically that bad trade policy was what constrains our health care policy into a very few options none of which work? I say this because the three pending trade deals are designed to try to re-legitimize the old Clinton era FTA that originally created this situation, and people should be aware that by approving any of them we are making affordable health care impossible so insurance and drug companies can make more profits while people die for no reason, since the government already pays 2/3 of every healthcare dollar and thats enough to give us all good quality health care for free.

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Response to TwilightZone (Reply #28)

Fri May 27, 2016, 01:51 PM

491. Obama didn't pose as progressive?

Well you could have fooled millions of us. What the hell was "Yes we can" slogan for if not for progressives? Yes we can have health care, yes, we can have infrastructure, yes, we can have decent non GMO food and so on and so on. I understand he was hindered by obstructive Republicans but the majority knew he was for progressive issues MORE than Hillary. One of he two reasons, IMO he was elected.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #21)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:22 PM

32. Obama not only didnt sell out, but spoiled, privileged Americans who attack him are gonna miss him

BTW, the term "sell out" implies Obama said one thing when running and did another.

The man who ran for the White House is in almost every circumstance, the man who is in the White House.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #32)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:31 PM

49. No he sold out

Tell me specifically what Obama has done for the victims of the shootings and the stupid police responsible for the murders. Public condemnation is not enough we need justice.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #49)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:33 PM

51. You arent actually interested in that answer.

I can tell.


Have a nice day.

Oh, by the way


here is a partial list


Changed the Culture of the Executive Branch

Within his first week, he signed an Executive Order ordering an audit of government contracts, and combating waste and abuse. http://1.usa.gov/dUvbu5

Created the post of Chief Performance Officer, whose job it is to make operations more efficient to save the federal government money. http://n.pr/hcgBn1

On his first full day, he froze White House salaries for the duration of the Great Recession. http://on.msnbc.com/ewJUIx

He appointed the first Federal Chief Information Officer to oversee federal IT spending and efficiency. http://www.cio.gov

He committed to phasing out unnecessary and outdated weapons systems and signed the Weapons Systems Acquisition Reform Act, in an attempt to limit waste, fraud and abuse in the defense procurement and contracting systems. http://bit.ly/hOw1t1http://bit.ly/fz8GAd

He created the National Commission on Fiscal Responsibility and Reform. http://bit.ly/hwKhKa

Signed an Executive Order instructing federal agencies to review all federal regulations and remove any unnecessary and/or burdensome regulations from the books. http://1.usa.gov/Lpo5bd

Dismantled the Minerals Management Service, thereby cutting ties between energy companies and the government. http://nyti.ms/bw1MLu

Banned gifts from lobbyists to anyone in the Executive Branch. http://bit.ly/fsBACN

Banned anyone from working in an agency they had lobbied in previous years and placed strict limits on lobbyists’ access to the White House. http://nyti.ms/gOrznV

Held the first-ever first online town hall from the White House, and took questions from the public. http://bit.ly/gVNSgX

Became the first president to stream every White House event, live. http://1.usa.gov/kAgOP5

Established a central portal for Americans to find service opportunities. http://www.serve.gov

Restored the 30-day time frame for former presidents to review records and eliminated the right for the vice president or family members of former presidents to do the reviews, giving the public greater access to historic White House documents, and curtails the use of executive privilege to shield them. http://1.usa.gov/gUetLb

Improved the Freedom of Information Act and issued new guidelines to make FOIA more open and transparent when processing FOIA requests. http://1.usa.gov/gjrnp2

Streamline the Department of Education’s procurement policies and made them more transparent. http://bit.ly/1r9oQvh

Provided the first voluntary disclosure of the White House Visitors Log in history. http://1.usa.gov/hQ7

Signed a law to completely reform NSA Data Collection program and keep phone records in the hands of the phone company. http://bit.ly/1dG34vD

Staved Off a Bush Depression, Improved the Economy

Pushed through and signed the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, also known as “the stimulus package.” He also launched recovery.gov, a website that allows taxpayers to track spending from the Act. http://1.usa.gov/ibiFSshttp://1.usa.gov/e3BJMk

By the end of his first year, the economy created and sustained 2.1 million jobs and stimulated the economy by 3.5%. http://reut.rs/i46CEE

He created the massive TARP financial and banking rescue plan and forced banks and other entities to pay back virtually all of the bailout money. http://1.usa.gov/eA5jVShttp://bit.ly/eCNrD6

He created the Making Home Affordable home refinancing plan. http://1.usa.gov/goy6zl

In 2010, more jobs were created than had been created during Bush’s eight years. http://bit.ly/hrrnjY

He pushed through and implemented an auto industry rescue plan that saved as many as 1 million jobs and possibly the entire auto industry. http://bit.ly/ibhpxr http://bit.ly/gj7mt5

Through his investment in GM, returned to the company to its place as the premiere car company in the world. http://lat.ms/zIJuQx

In February 2016, GM was in such good financial shape, they gave a share of the profit to each worker, with checks up to $11,000. http://detne.ws/1mk7Jry

Doubled funding for the Manufacturing Extension Partnership, to improve manufacturing efficiency. http://bit.ly/eYD4nf

Increased infrastructure spending after years of neglect. http://bit.ly/f77aOw

Signed the Helping Families Save Their Homes Act, which helped millions of Americans avoid preventable foreclosures and provided $2.2 billion to combat homelessness and stabilize the housing market. http://bit.ly/eEpLFn

Signed an Executive Order creating jobs immediately by instructing them to reduce the time needed for review and permitting of infrastructure projects. http://1.usa.gov/GHxaYt

Through the Worker, Homeownership, and Business Assistance Act of 2009, he and Congressional Democrats provided tax credits to first-time home buyers, which helped the U.S. housing market recovery. http://bit.ly/dZgXXw http://bit.ly/gORYfL

Played a lead role in getting the G-20 Summit to commit to a $1.1 trillion deal to combat the global financial crisis. http://nyti.ms/gHlgp5

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, saved at least 300,000 education jobs, such as teachers, principals, librarians, and counselors that would have otherwise been lost. http://1.usa.gov/ez30D

With Congressional Democrats, provided funding to states and the Department of Homeland Security to save thousands of police and firefighter jobs from being cut during the recession. http://bit.ly/g0IKWR

China’s largest manufacturer, Foxconn, is building a large plant in Pennsylvania http://cnnmon.ie/1k7LT4S

Worked with Apple Computer to get them to build more product here, and thecompany is building two large plants to manufacture products here; one in Texas http://zd.net/1nkpt2O and one in Arizona http://bit.ly/1mXY5Vg

Created an institute to invest in more manufacturing jobs in the technology fields of the future. http://nyti.ms/1egyXrV

Ordered all federal contractors to pay a minimum wage of $10.10 per hour, leading the way to a national increase. http://wapo.st/1iaU5kd

Ordered the completion of the International Trade Data System, a digital trade record book, by 2016. This move will streamline and simplify the process through which small- and medium-sized businesses set up the export of US goods. http://bit.ly/1nwSRF4

Specific Examples of Economic Improvement

As of January 2016, a record 64 consecutive months of overall job growth. http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of January 2016, Unemployment drops below 5% for the first time in eight years and without a significant bubble. 4.9% http://on.msnbc.com/1TKFCPQ

As of April 2016, there have been 74 consecutive months of private sector job growth. http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

In April 2016, new unemployment claims hit their lowest level since Nov. 1973. http://nyti.ms/1YhZEBk

Since February 2010, when job numbers hit their lowest point, 14.6 million non-farm private sector jobs have been created. http://1.usa.gov/1Xhizho

Oversaw a reduction in the federal budget deficit by two-thirds since taking office. http://bit.ly/1xKMmjY

Reduced the federal budget deficit from 9.8% of GDP in Fiscal Year 2009 under Bush, to 2.9% of GDP in FY 2014. http://www.cbo.gov/publication/45653

Scolds Congress and gets passed a $305 billion highways bill, which will have the added benefit of created hundreds of thousands of new jobs and creating incentives for green cars. http://bit.ly/1NsL2Zq

Addressed Wrongdoing in the Financial Sector

Signed the Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act giving the federal government more tools to investigate and prosecute fraud in every corner of the financial system, and create a bipartisan Financial Crisis Inquiry Commission to investigate the financial fraud that led to the economic meltdown. http://abcn.ws/g18Fe7

Ordered 65 executives who took bailout money to cut their own pay until they paid back all bailout money. http://huff.to/eAi9Qq

Along with Congressional Democrats, pushed through and got passed Dodd-Frank, one of the largest and most comprehensive Wall Street reforms since the Great Depression. http://bit.ly/hWCPg0http://bit.ly/geHpcD

Created and implemented rules to reduce the influence of speculators in the oil market. http://bit.ly/MDnA1t

Created and implemented rules so banks can no longer use depositors’ money to invest in high-risk financial instruments that work against depositors’ interests. http://bit.ly/fnTayj

Supported the concept of allowing stockholders to vote on executive compensation. http://bit.ly/fnTayj

Endorsed and supported the Foreign Account Tax Compliance Act of 2009 that would close offshore tax avoidance loopholes. http://bit.ly/esOdfB http://bit.ly/eG4DPM

Negotiated a deal with Swiss banks permitting the US government to gain access to bank records of criminals and tax evaders. http://bit.ly/htfDgw

Signed the American Jobs and Closing Tax Loopholes Act, closing many of the loopholes that allowed companies to send jobs overseas, and avoid paying US taxes by moving money offshore. http://1.usa.gov/bd1RTq

Thanks to the Patient Protection and Affordable Care Act, inflation in the healthcare sector dropped to its lowest point in 50 years. http://on.wsj.com/1E6cYjF

Improved Conditions for Consumers and Small Businesses

Signed the Credit Card Accountability, Responsibility and Disclosure (CARD) Act, to protect consumers from unfair and deceptive credit card practices. http://1.usa.gov/gIaNcS

Guided the housing market all the way back from total collapse, which led to a rally for housing starts. http://reut.rs/1NTAOVU http://reut.rs/1NTAOVU

Brought airline industry back to their highest profitability since before the recession. http://lat.ms/1O8H1iE

Blocked a monopolistic merger of Staples and Office Depot, to preserve at least some competition. http://bit.ly/1kcY2Kv

Stock market has reached record highs, restoring most of the economic losses felt during the Bush Recession. http://bit.ly/1z4FAtL

Created and Implemented the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau http://1.usa.gov/j5onG http://bit.ly/fnTayj

Consumer confidence continues to inch up to its highest level more than a decade. http://bit.ly/1PZLRcK

Initiated a $15 billion plan designed to encourage increased lending to small businesses. http://1.usa.gov/eu0u0b

Created business.gov, to allow online collaboration between small businesses and experts re managing a business. (The program has since merged with SBA.gov.) http://www.business.gov

Took steps to improve minority access to capital. http://bit.ly/f9xVE7

Used recovered TARP money to fund programs at local housing finance agencies in California, Florida, Nevada, Arizona and Michigan. http://on.msnbc.com/i1i8eV

Crafted and signed an executive order establishing the President’s Advisory Council on Financial Capability to assist in financial education for all Americans. http://bit.ly/eyqsNE

Oversaw the most sweeping food safety legislation since the Great Depression. http://thedc.com/gxkCtP

Through the Fraud Enforcement and Recovery Act, extended the False Claims Act to combat fraud by companies and individuals using money from TARP and Stimulus programs. http://bit.ly/SLTcSa

Set up rules for banks in handling legal marijuana money. http://nyti.ms/1b80o2K

Added greater protections to consumer financial transactions to reduce identity theft. http://1.usa.gov/1pjfUFq

Took steps to prevent pirate fishing and protect fish populations, and ordered stricter labeling requirements on labeling of seafood products in stores. http://1.usa.gov/1BYhTUn

Signed the RAISE Act, which should encourage more people to open small businesses and help improve the economy. http://bit.ly/1QhTqkF

Signed a bill that allows low-volume vehicle manufacturers that will increase entrepreneurship among small car manufacturers, who often build replicas of classics but who often build green vehicles. http://bit.ly/1QhTqkF

Strengthened the Middle Class and Fought Poverty

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #51)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:36 PM

54. What does this

Have to do with holding the officers accountable! They got away with murder!

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #54)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:44 PM

64. Obama is supposed to arrest and convict them? Didnt you say here or somewhere Obama is a sellout

and failure as a progressive?

More here


Strengthened the Middle Class and Fought Poverty

Worked to provide affordable, high-quality child care to working families. http://bit.ly/fNfidS

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, cut taxes for 95% of America’s working families. http://bit.ly/eSEI4F

Tax rates for average working families are the lowest since 1950. http://bit.ly/f74pD8

Extended and fully funded the patch for the Alternative Minimum Tax for 10 years. http://bit.ly/eFeSdP

Extended discounted health coverage under the COBRA health insurance law for the unemployed from 9 months to 15 months, and he’s also extended unemployment benefits more than a few times. http://aol.it/evtVxDhttp://nyti.ms/emrqKJ http://bit.ly/hOtIpg http://bit.ly/fTT7kz

Provided a $20 billion increase for the Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (Food Stamps). http://nyti.ms/gfLqyM

Signed an Executive Order that established the White House Office of Urban Affairs. http://wapo.st/eWECA8

Included the Buffet Rule in his 2014 budget proposal, in order to fulfill a campaign promise to make sure tax rates are fair between the rich and the middle class. http://1.usa.gov/19PkdQo

Used the fiscal cliff negotiations to extend for five additional years the American Opportunity Tax Credit, which provides tax credits to families for college-related expenses, thus saving those families up to $10,000. http://onforb.es/17zYg3u

Increased protections for the unemployed who are seeking a government job. http://1.usa.gov/1jgXATu

Updated and modernized overtime regulations under the Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) http://1.usa.gov/1iGDO8e

Signed and implemented the Healthy Hunger-Free Kids Act, to improve nutrition in schools and make children healthier. http://1.usa.gov/GAXkSk

To make college more affordable and accountable, will begin rating colleges with regard to affordability and value. http://bit.ly/14Dn7UL

Initiated a reform of federal job training programs, to make them more relevant to the current economy and the job market. http://1.usa.gov/1kZLQHG

Under Obama, the bottom 95% of taxpayers pay lower federal income taxes than at any time in the last 50 years, including under Reagan, or either Bush. http://bit.ly/1w1W8Ns

Signed a presidential memorandum authorizing six weeks paid leave for all federal employees with a new baby and encouraged Congress to do the same for all workers. http://bit.ly/18613XA

2014 marked the first time since 1984 that unemployment dropped in all 50 states and the District of Columbia. 1.usa.gov/1E25u0C

Took steps to improve workplace safety by creating an Advisory Board to study workers’ exposure to toxic substances. http://1.usa.gov/1M4s8IG

Changed overtime rules to make it far more difficult for employers to avoid paying overtime to workers. http://politi.co/1KHfiBe

Changed rules for federal contractors, guaranteeing that all workers earn paid leave; this should affect about 300,000 workers. http://1.usa.gov/1LcHZWl

Negotiated a law to finally replace “No Child Left Behind” and remove much of the onerous government “oversight” that caused children to stagnate, not improve, academically. http://bit.ly/1Up9pMl

Addressed Civil Rights and Equality

Formed a commission to examine and make recommendations for fixing the broken voting system. http://wapo.st/16K0D

Created a Civil Rights Division in the Justice Department that has become a very strong voice for Black people. http://bit.ly/1ObO7TI

At a press conference August 9, 2013, gave up a small measure of executive power, promising to create adversarial process in FISA regarding NSA surveillance. http://1.usa.gov/1dQmnyQ

Proposed rules to enhance Fair Housing Laws, to give HUD and other enforcement agencies more enforcement power. http://bit.ly/1qkz4uQ

Ordered a review of capital punishment policies after several botched executions. http://nyti.ms/RDJp58

Approved $1.2 billion discrimination settlement with black farmers who had proved USDA bias. http://huff.to/1Nol9Ab

Appointed Kareem Dale as the first ever Special Assistant to the President for Disability Policy. http://1.usa.gov/fi5IY0

Concentrated immigration enforcement on those who commit crimes, and vowed to stop breaking up families. http://1.usa.gov/1uTZ8gV

Streamlined the visa process, to make it more responsive and humane for those who want to be here legally. http://1.usa.gov/1tgDRti

Took steps to tighten the reins when it comes to providing local law enforcement agencies with military-style equipment and exercising more control over the equipment they receive. http://1.usa.gov/1ATWV3K

Changed fair housing rules to make more affordable housing available to more people. http://cnn.it/1JcR3qB

Helped Democrats in Congress pass and signed the Civil Rights History Act. http://bit.ly/th0JC8

Created a Policing Task Force to deal with the problems that led to the #BlackLivesMatter movement. http://nbcnews.to/1T17PON

His Justice Department investigated the Ferguson Police Department twice and slammed them for their racism and exploitive practices. http://nbcnews.to/1q9jTpf

Established the White House Council of Native American Affairs, to improve government-to-government relations with Native American nations. http://1.usa.gov/1cIEeEv

Limited local police acquisitions of military-style equipment, to reduce the likelihood of overkill. http://n.pr/1NGkBjT

Signed Blue Alert Law, which provides police officers with more information when they are threatened. http://bit.ly/1NGksga

Blocked the sale of Apache tribal land to foreign mining company, over Republican objections. http://bit.ly/1RYpmfihttp://bit.ly/1RYpmfi

Settled with the City of Cleveland over civil rights and excessive force violations. http://nbcnews.to/24GRQNw

Reviewed the practices of the Philadelphia Police Department and made 91 recommendations to prevent civil rights and excessive force violations. http://on.msnbc.com/1q9ktmX

Improved Workers’ Rights

He issued final rules that require all employers to prominently post employees’ rights where all employees or prospective employees can see it, including all websites and intranets. http://1.usa.gov/qu2EhQ

Obama’s Equal Employment Opportunity Commission clarified and strengthened rules prohibiting discrimination against pregnant workers. http://alj.am/1mo0kjV

Required companies who bid on federal contracts larger than $500,000 to publicly disclose all previous violations of labor law, including unpaid claims for back wages. http://1.usa.gov/V54qY3

Made it illegal for federal contractors with more than $1 million in contracts to force employees into arbitration in workplace discrimination accusations. http://1.usa.gov/V54qY3

Vetoed Republican bill that would have blocked new NLRB rules that were designed to speed up the time it takes workers to unionize. http://reut.rs/1agujMO He also added a Memorandum of Disagreement to make his reasons for the veto clear and made a major statement in support of unions. http://1.usa.gov/1NG7RuA

Cracked down on companies that were previously denying sick pay, vacation and health insurance, and Social Security and Medicare tax payments through abuse of the employee classification of independent contractor. http://nyti.ms/fOGLcj

Signed law that bans imports of goods produced through forced labor. http://nbcnews.to/1RuJu2y

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #64)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:59 PM

86. The perpetually angry won't become less so with facts ...

 

DU proves this over and over and over again.

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Response to 1StrongBlackMan (Reply #86)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:11 PM

99. Yes. Most who are angry dont really have the first clue how great Obama has been.

It can be difficult to give praise when your heart isnt in it, as well.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #99)

Wed May 25, 2016, 07:24 PM

467. Fantastic posts from you in this thread. Not that they will make ONE BIT OF DIFFERENCE

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Response to Number23 (Reply #467)

Wed May 25, 2016, 07:29 PM

470. Thank you, it is embarrassing to see how little people really know about Obama and what

he has done.

And when I point it out to them, just snippets really, they dont stop and say "Oh wow, look at all that, I did not know that"

No, they keep arguing with me.

Sad.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #64)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:30 PM

285. Bravo!

I think the op is funny. This was a great response to the op's dry sense of humor.

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Response to JustAnotherGen (Reply #285)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:30 PM

286. Thanks...Obama has been so successful in so many ways, but the Obama haters

cant and wont see any of it.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #51)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:52 PM

76. He let Detroit go bankrupt and is letting Puerto Rico go bankrupt.

That bothers me. Like his visit to Flint -- a lot of great speeches. Zero action.



But, then, after letting Bush and Cheney walk for their treason and various high crimes, what can I expect? Justice?

Is This Barack Obama's 2nd Term? Is it Bill Clinton's 3rd? Or Is It Ronald Reagan's 9th?

They say that elections do matter, and that there are real differences between Republican and Democratic presidents. But backing up the view to 30 years, that difference looks a lot more like continuity, both at home and in America's global empire.

By Bruce A. Dixon
Black Agenda Report managing editor

The answer is yes to all three. Ronald Reagan hasn't darkened the White House door in decades. But his policy objectives have been what every president, Democrat and Republican have pursued relentlessly ever since. Barack Obama is only the latest and most successful of Reagan's disciples.

SNIP...

In Barack Obama's case all he had to say was that he wasn't necessarily against wars, just against what he called “stupid wars.” Corporate media and “liberal” shills morphed that lone statement into a false narrative that Barack Obama opposed the war in Iraq, making him an instantly viable presidential candidate at a time when the American people overwhelmingly opposed that war. Once in office, Barack Obama strove mightily to abrogate the Status of Forces Agreement with Iraq which would have allowed US forces to remain there indefinitely. But when the Iraqi puppet government, faced with a near revolt on the part of what remained of Iraqi civil society, dared not do his bidding, insisting that uniformed US troops (but not the American and multinational mercenaries we pay to remain there) stick to the withdrawal timetable agreed upon under Bush, liberal shills and corporate media hailed the withdrawal from Iraq as Obama's “victory.”

Barack Obama doubled down on the invasion and occupation of large areas of Afghanistan, and increased the size of the army and marines, which in fact he pledged to do during his presidential campaign. Presidential candidate Obama promised to end secret imprisonment and torture. The best one can say about President Obama on this score is that he seems to prefer murderous and indiscriminate drone attacks, in many cases, over the Bush policy of international kidnapping secret imprisonment and torture. The Obama administration's reliance on drones combined with US penetration of the African continent, means that a Democratic, ostensibly “antiwar” president has been able to openly deploy US troops to every part of that continent in support of its drive to control the oil, water, and other resources there.

The objectives President Obama's Africa policies fulfill today were put down on paper by the Bush administration, pursued by Bill Clinton before that, and still earlier pursued by Ronald Reagan, when it funded murderous contra armies of UNITA in Angola and RENAMO in Mozambque. It was UNITA and RENAMO's campaigns, assisted by the apartheid regimes of Israel and South Africa that pioneered the genocidal use of child soldiers. Today, cruise missile liberals hail the Obama administration's use of pit bull puppet regimes like Uganda, Burundi and Rwanda, all of which shot their way into power with child soldiers, to invade Somalia and Congo, sometimes ostensibly to go after other bad actors on the grounds that they are using child soldiers.

CONTINUED...

http://www.blackagendareport.com/content/barack-obamas-2nd-term-it-bill-clintons-3rd-or-it-ronald-reagans-9th


"Cruise Missile Liberals."

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Response to Octafish (Reply #76)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:55 PM

81. Uh huh - There is more, I can keep going....

Protected the Rights of Gay People

Signed and implemented the Matthew Shepard and James Byrd, Jr. Hate Crimes Prevention Act, which made it a federal crime to assault anyone based on his or her sexual orientation or gender identity. http://bit.ly/gsMSJ7

Oversaw and implemented the repeal of the reprehensible “Don’t Ask Don’t Tell” policy. http://bit.ly/fdahuHhttp://bit.ly/mZV4Pz

Extended benefits to same-sex partners of federal employees. http://1.usa.gov/g2RLCj

Appointed more openly gay officials than anyone in history. http://bit.ly/g1lA7D

Appointed first openly transgender Cabinet Official in History. http://bit.ly/58zUp7

Advocated that United Nations adopt a policy supporting gay rights worldwide. http://lat.ms/pQe1RS

As soon as the Supreme Court invalidated the Defense of Marriage Act, he moved to extend federal benefits to same-sex couples. http://wapo.st/1avDjue

Issued an order requiring hospitals to allow visitation by same-sex couples. http://reut.rs/llNJek

Changed HUD rules to prohibit gender and sexual orientation-based discrimination in housing bit.ly/9RxEnP

Changed his mind and publicly expressed support for same-sex marriage. http://bit.ly/JsiFKp

Issued a Presidential Memorandum reaffirming the rights of gay couples to make medical decisions for each other. http://1.usa.gov/aUueGT

Appointed several prominent gay athletes and others, and plans to show US government’s commitment to gay rights to anti-gay Russia. http://on.cpsj.com/1fckN9h

Department of Agriculture propagated new rules to better enforce non-discrimination when it comes to USDA investigations and to extend non-discrimination to gender identity. http://bit.ly/1yChJhi

Banned all federal contractors from discriminating against gay workers. http://1.usa.gov/1ok1gfH

Persevered with his campaign to turn “gay marriage” into “marriage” and won in the Supreme Court. http://cbsloc.al/1M4qLKb

Improved Conditions for Women

Establishing the White House Council on Women and Girls to ensure that all Cabinet and Cabinet-level agencies consider the effect of their policies and programs on women and families. http://bit.ly/e1puTk http://1.usa.gov/rFfqMM

Implemented the Lilly Ledbetter Fair Pay Act, which restored basic protections against pay discrimination for women and other workers. http://bit.ly/fT3Cxg

Eliminated federal funding for abstinence-only education, and rescinded the global gag rule. http://bit.ly/eCFAI1 http://bit.ly/f92drF

Improved the Paycheck Fairness Act, making it possible for employees to talk about their salaries without retaliation, and ordering salary data collection, so as to make it harder for employers to pay women less. http://huff.to/1nwVOWf

Signed an Executive Order pledging support for efforts to end the global problem of violence against women and girls. http://1.usa.gov/MHTRVU

Shattered another glass ceiling by naming Janet Yellen chair of the Federal Reserve beginning Feb. 1, 2014. http://usat.ly/1gqMBfk

Expanded funding for the Violence Against Women Act. http://1.usa.gov/dSbI0x

Ordered companies with 100 employees or more to disclose pay data based on race and gender, to address the pay gap. http://theatln.tc/1Q04XPL

Addressed Criminal Justice Failings and the Gun Culture

Made significant reductions in drug sentencing guidelines for current prisoners. http://n.pr/1mWBLkM

Oversaw the first drop in the federal prison population in 32 years. http://bit.ly/1B5h8rW

Increased his use of clemency to release thousands of non-violent drug offenders from prison. http://nyti.ms/1KE8DJG

Ordered a ban on solitary confinement for juvenile offenders in federal prisons. http://bit.ly/20ObRzA

Took executive action to promote smart gun technology, to make them safer. http://1.usa.gov/1RhK1tU

After a failure by Congress to act, proposed executive orders to create more background checks and to fully staff the background check system. http://cnn.it/1JXmUg6

Relaxed HIPAA rules enough to allow for more information to be available to the background check system. http://on.wsj.com/SX9xaZ

Ordered the tracing of guns as part of criminal investigations to provide data to researchers. http://on.wsj.com/SX9xaZ

Order the Justice Department to look at the categories of mental health problems prohibited from owning guns to make sure people aren’t falling through the cracks, getting guns. http://onforb.es/1nUAGw3

Expanded the definitions of gun dealers and expanded the information available and required in background checks for firearm purchases. http://bit.ly/1K5aXee

Set up a task force to figure out what other measures can be taken to limit gun violence in the wake of Congressional inaction. http://1.usa.gov/1QjYMGJ

Signed bill to improve protections for correctional officers and their families. http://bit.ly/1SMCi4W

Changed the playing field on criminal justice reform by commuting sentences of low-level criminals and signaling a more practical footing. http://1.usa.gov/1YclW7f

Signaled major shift away from the failed “Drug War” by promising to commit more than $1 billion to combat addiction. http://2wsb.tv/1SMBQUv

Improved Treatment of Soldiers and Veterans

Provided active combat troops with better body armor. http://bit.ly/hzSv2h

Created a Joint Virtual Lifetime Electronic Record program for military personnel, in order http://abcn.ws/1ghLrEshttp://abcn.ws/1ghLrEs to improve the quality of their medical care. http://1.usa.gov/f4yaxW

Put an end to the Bush-era stop-loss policy that kept soldiers in Iraq/Afghanistan beyond their enlistment date. http://nyti.ms/e2YQ7Q

Signed and implemented Veterans Health Care Budget Reform and Transparency Act, making more money available to enable better medical care for veterans. http://1.usa.gov/fN4ur1

With Congressional Democrats, oversaw largest spending increase in 30 years for Department of Veterans Affairs, for improved medical and extended care facilities for veterans. http://1.usa.gov/gY8O3x

Implemented the Green Vet Initiative, which provides special funding to provide veterans with training in green jobs. http://bit.ly/epwUQY

Initiated and signed a recruitment and employment plan to get more veterans into government jobs. http://bit.ly/b48coi

Oversaw a $4.6 billion expansion of the Veterans Administration budget to pay for more mental health professionals. http://bit.ly/gjzTxX

Signed the Military Spouses Residency Relief Act, which ensures that spouses of military personnel who are forced to move because their spouse is posted for military duty can avoid state taxes in their temporary residence. http://bit.ly/1Gh0NX

Ordered improvements to access to mental health care for veterans, military personnel and their families. http://1.usa.gov/TP7PVZ

Got Syria to dismantle its chemical weapons without military firing a single shot or dropping a single bomb. http://nyti.ms/1lVEkU7

Along with Congressional Democrats, not only reauthorized families of fallen soldiers to be able to visit when the body arrives at Dover AFB, but also provided funding for it. Ended the media blackout on coverage of the return of fallen soldiers. http://nyti.ms/glqN66 http://bbc.in/gWSSkA

Funded Department of Veterans Affairs (VA) with an extra $1.4 billion to improve veterans’ services. http://1.usa.gov/huhqfo

Signed into law a bill that provides support, counseling, and breastfeeding supplies to military moms who are covered under TRICARE, the health insurance provided to veterans. http://bit.ly/1yNxL8O

Signed into law a bill that makes it easier for military dogs to retire at home with their handlers. http://bit.ly/1J78Y2U

Improved America’s Reputation Around the World

Visited more countries and met with more world leaders than any previous president during his first six months in office. http://bit.ly/hZycda

As he promised, he gave a speech at a major Islamic forum in Cairo early in his administration. http://nyti.ms/dKvY4g

Made a speech at a US mosque to demonstrate his commitment to religious rights and send a message to Muslims around the world. http://cnn.it/1PGU1uI

Restored America’s reputation around the world as a global leader. http://bit.ly/h743y7http://bit.ly/ho4TCr

Re-established and reinforced our partnership with NATO and other allies on strategic international issues. http://1.usa.gov/e7QuDj

Closed a number of secret detention facilities. http://nyti.ms/rpUc9l

Improved relations with Middle East countries by appointing special envoys. http://1.usa.gov/tiGAGe

Pushed forward the first realistic Middle East peace strategy in more than a decade, without abandoning the two-state solution. http://wapo.st/1avyste

Pushed for military to emphasize greater development of foreign language skills. http://bit.ly/AxUCLV

Offered $400 million to the people living in Gaza, while calling on both Israel and the Palestinians to stop inciting violence. http://bit.ly/9axfWh

Refused to give Israel the green light to attack Iran over their possible nuclear program. http://bit.ly/xVmSZK

Ordered the closure of the prison at Guantanamo Bay, although blocked by Congress. http://bit.ly/eW6CVF

Ordered a review of our detention and interrogation policy and prohibited the use of “enhanced interrogation.” http://bit.ly/g6MTuC

Ordered all secret detention facilities in Eastern Europe and elsewhere to be closed. http://bbc.in/h6N9ax

Released the Bush torture memos. http://bit.ly/hWJ5z0

On his second day in office, banned torture, reversed all Bush torture policies and put the US in full compliance with the Geneva Convention. http://1.usa.gov/dL6Zvehttp://nyti.ms/hzWWys

In response to the emerging “Arab Spring,” he created a Rapid Response fund, to assist emerging democracies with foreign aid, debt relief, technical assistance and investment packages in order to show that the United States stands with them. http://bit.ly/zfmGv9

Ended the F-22 program, saving $4 billion. Though the 187 aircraft cost $358 million each to build, it had never flown a combat mission. http://slate.me/PYzmzT

Passed the Iran Sanctions Act, to prevent war and encourage the Iranian government to give up their nuclear program. http://1.usa.gov/wLtNjb

Ended the Iraq War. http://tgr.ph/ru0tyS

Worked to keep our withdrawal from Afghanistan on track, despite GOP opposition. http://reut.rs/1cIOsF1 Reiterated that commitment in 2014. http://nyti.ms/1exnmRF

Conducted a secret mission by SEAL Team Six to rescue two hostages held by Somali pirates. http://bit.ly/y8c9Fz

Through United Nations Ambassador Susan Rice, helped negotiate a peaceful split of Sudan into two countries, creating an independent South Sudan. http://reut.rs/qzE0Tj

Helped make donations to Haiti tax deductible in 2009. http://huff.to/6YkAVY

Established a new U.S.-China Strategic and Economic Dialogue. http://1.usa.gov/eX28DP

Issued Executive Order blocking interference and helping to stabilize Somalia. http://1.usa.gov/hxdf8U

Established new, more reasonable policies in our relations with Cuba, such as allowing Cuban-Americans to visit their families and send money to support them. http://n.pr/hY3Kwa http://nyti.ms/emQBde

The new policies in Cuba led to thawed relations and the first US Embassy in Cuba in more than 55 years. http://abcn.ws/1ghLrEs

Became the first U.S. President to visit Cuba in more than 80 years. http://bit.ly/1qlKwbi

Negotiated a deal with Iran that will prevent them from getting a nuclear weapon anytime soon, without firing a shot or invading the country. http://cnn.it/1M3Hpvv

As a result of the Iran agreement, Iran shipped pretty much all of it nuclear material to Russia. http://nyti.ms/1PrzLty

Became the first US President to visit Jamaica in more than 30 years, worked to restore relations with the country and signed a natural gas distribution agreement with the country. http://bit.ly/1JtpFqi

Signs law extending some privacy protections to US allies, a reversal of the Bush practice of spying on people like Angela Merkel and the like. http://bit.ly/1VZza6w

Instituted Power Africa, an initiative to bring electrical generation to greater parts of the African continent. http://bbc.in/1QtYVud

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #81)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:14 PM

102. Great. But Obama let Bush and Cheney, and ALL the Warmongers, Spies & Banksters, go free.

Take Cass Sunstein.



Government Nanny Censoring "Conspiracy Theories" Is Also Responsible for Letting Bush Era Torture and Spying Conspiracies Go Unpunished

Washingtons Blog, Oct. 7, 2010

EXCERPT...

Prosecuting government officials risks a “cycle” of criminalizing public service, (Sunstein) argued, and Democrats should avoid replicating retributive efforts like the impeachment of President Clinton — or even the “slight appearance” of it.

SOURCE w links n details: http://georgewashington2.blogspot.com/2010/10/main-obama-adviser-blocking-prosecution.html?m=1



President Obama HAS done a great job putting those exposing war crimes and government corruption behind bars, though.



Least Transparent Administration Ever: A New Front in Obama’s War on Whistleblowers

By Juan Cole Juan Cole
Informed Comment | Mar. 5, 2014

The Obama administration has just opened a new front in its ongoing war on whistleblowers. It’s taking its case against one man, former Transportation Security Administration (TSA) Air Marshal Robert MacLean, all the way to the Supreme Court. So hold on, because we’re going back down the rabbit hole with the Most Transparent Administration ever.

Despite all the talk by Washington insiders about how whistleblowers like Edward Snowden should work through the system rather than bring their concerns directly into the public sphere, MacLean is living proof of the hell of trying to do so. Through the Supreme Court, the Department of Justice (DOJ) wants to use MacLean’s case to further limit what kinds of information can qualify for statutory whistleblowing protections. If the DOJ gets its way, only information that the government thinks is appropriate — a contradiction in terms when it comes to whistleblowing — could be revealed. Such a restriction would gut the legal protections of the Whistleblower Protection Act and have a chilling effect on future acts of conscience.

Having lost its case against MacLean in the lower courts, the DOJ is seeking to win in front of the Supreme Court. If heard by the Supremes — and there’s no guarantee of that — this would represent that body’s first federal whistleblower case of the post-9/11 era. And if it were to rule for the government, even more information about an out-of-control executive branch will disappear under the dark umbrella of “national security.”

On the other hand, should the court rule against the government, or simply turn down the case, whistleblowers like MacLean will secure a little more protection than they’ve had so far in the Obama years. Either way, an important message will be sent at a moment when revelations of government wrongdoing have moved from the status of obscure issue to front-page news.

The issues in the MacLean case — who is entitled to whistleblower protection, what use can be made of retroactive classification to hide previously unclassified information, how many informal classification categories the government can create bureaucratically, and what role the Constitution and the Supreme Court have in all this — are arcane and complex. But stay with me. Understanding the depths to which the government is willing to sink to punish one man who blew the whistle tells us the world about Washington these days and, as they say, the devil is in the details.

CONTINUED...

http://www.juancole.com/2014/03/transparent-administration-whistleblowers.html



Then, again, BHO evidently has been in the electronic net a while:

Russ Tice, Bush-Era Whistleblower, Claims NSA Ordered Wiretap Of Barack Obama In 2004

The Huffington Post | By Nick Wing
Posted: 06/20/2013

Russ Tice, a former intelligence analyst who in 2005 blew the whistle on what he alleged was massive unconstitutional domestic spying across multiple agencies, claimed Wednesday that the NSA had ordered wiretaps on phones connected to then-Senate candidate Barack Obama in 2004.

Speaking on "The Boiling Frogs Show," Tice claimed the intelligence community had ordered surveillance on a wide range of groups and individuals, including high-ranking military officials, lawmakers and diplomats.

"Here's the big one ... this was in summer of 2004, one of the papers that I held in my hand was to wiretap a bunch of numbers associated with a 40-something-year-old wannabe senator for Illinois," he said. "You wouldn't happen to know where that guy lives right now would you? It's a big white house in Washington, D.C. That's who they went after, and that's the president of the United States now."

Host Sibel Edmonds and Tice both raised concerns that such alleged monitoring of subjects, unbeknownst to them, could provide the intelligence agencies with huge power to blackmail their targets.

"I was worried that the intelligence community now has sway over what is going on," Tice said.

CONTINUED...

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/06/20/russ-tice-nsa-obama_n_3473538.html
The JFK Assassination: A False Mystery Concealing State Crimes


Corporate Fascism we may or may not deserve. What We got is something worse: We the People are now the Enemies of Our Own State.

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Response to Octafish (Reply #102)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:17 PM

105. First, YOU wouldnt have the guts to go after those guys, trust me. If all you have is this

then you have an agenda and it is clear to me.

I said I could go on, I meant it




Pay close attention to these

(jesus, you are provided with HUNDREDS of AMAZING Accomplishments and your response is "he didnt do this ONE thing over here so nothing else counts) fucking embarrassing




Changed US Approach to “Defense” and National Security

Created a comprehensive new strategy for dealing with the international nuclear threat. http://1.usa.gov/gDX1nE

Authorized a $1.4 billion reduction in Star Wars program in 2010. http://1.usa.gov/gLFZl2

Restarted nuclear nonproliferation talks and built up the nuclear inspection infrastructure/protocols to where they had been before Bush. http://lat.ms/gkcl3i

Signed and got ratification of a new SALT Treaty. http://bit.ly/f3JVtw

Negotiated and signed a new START Treaty that will stay in force until at least 2021. http://1.usa.gov/cI1bC4

Committed the US to no permanent military bases in Iraq. http://bit.ly/hk73OJ

Developed a comprehensive strategy with regard to Afghanistan and Pakistan designed to facilitate the defeat of al Qaeda, the withdrawal of most troops and the rebuilding of Afghanistan. http://wapo.st/ee4Xcs

Re-focused on Afghanistan, stabilized the country, and began the process of withdrawing troops from the country. http://bit.ly/lNXUna

Negotiated a deal with Afghan government, to withdraw troops and military support, while assisting in rebuilding and modernizing of the country. http://bit.ly/K362an

Took steps to severely weaken al Qaeda and limited their ability to terrorize the world. http://yhoo.it/n5lXs6

Negotiated and signed a nuclear nonproliferation treaty with India. http://1.usa.gov/aHp0Cn

Worked with NATO to limit the slaughter of innocents in Libya, so that Libyans could topple the despotic Khadaffy government and determine their own fate. http://aje.me/qAh4Sj

Got Egyptian President/dictator Mubarak to leave the Egyptian government to the people, to determine their own fate. http://f24.my/efvgNZ

In 2011, reoriented American focus from the Middle East to the Asian-Pacific region by simultaneously engaging China and crafting new alliances with Asian countries uncomfortable with Chinese behavior. http://bit.ly/RGlMDi

Restored federal agencies such as FEMA to the point that they have been able to manage a huge number of natural disasters successfully. http://bit.ly/h8Xj7z

Increased border security http://bit.ly/1JQDGz9

Ordered and oversaw the Navy SEALS operation that killed Osama bin Laden. http://bit.ly/jChpgw

Established the Homeland Security Partnership Council, to enhance the nation’s ability to “address homeland security priorities, from responding to natural disasters to preventing terrorism, by utilizing diverse perspectives, skills, tools, and resources.” http://1.usa.gov/VJjLXO

Signed agreement with Afghanistan to end war, turn security over to Afghans. http://nyti.ms/1xSjgBd

Breaking with recent presidential tradition, instead of just attacking Syria in the wake of chemical weapons attacks on Syrians, Obama ordered a full report on the decision-making process. http://cbsn.ws/184RFgu

Instead of holding hearings and creating a political football, he quietly captured a suspect who actually committed the Benghazi terrorist attack. http://wapo.st/1jFlmzv He is also getting a lot of useful information from the suspect. http://nyti.ms/UfE2Ka

Instituted rules to order sanctions against individuals and groups that threaten national cybersecurity. http://1.usa.gov/1HWcGMG

Instituted tougher new sanctions against North Korea after threats of nuclear attack and several tests. http://cbsn.ws/1L8L5hW

Took concrete steps to improve our counter-terrorism efforts. http://bit.ly/1RATjAh

Making great strides in defeating the Islamic State without committing hundreds of thousands of troops or carpet bombing civilians, against Republican objections. http://bit.ly/1TxBK5e

Improved Education and Educational Opportunities

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, invested heavily in elementary, secondary and post-secondary education. http://1.usa.gov/gGRIAr

Created the Race to the Top program, which encouraged states to come up with effective school reforms and rewards the best of them. http://bit.ly/NHtZ7L

Oversaw major expansion of broadband availability in K-12 schools nationwide. http://bit.ly/fNDcj3

Oversaw major expansion in school construction. http://bit.ly/fYwNrV

Signed an executive order that expanded recognition and funding for historically black colleges and universities. http://on.thegrio.com/1rD50gc

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, put $5 billion into early education, including Head Start. http://1.usa.gov/tzT2Rr

Signed the Democratic-sponsored Post-9/11 GI Bill, also known as GI Bill 2.0, to improve veterans’ access to education. http://bit.ly/hPhG7J

Oversaw expansion of the Pell Grants program, to expand opportunity for low and middle income students to go to college. http://bit.ly/hI6tXz

Signed and implemented the Individuals with Disabilities Education Act, which provided an extra $12.2 billion in funds. http://1.usa.gov/dQvtUe

Took major new steps to protect students from ineffective for-profit colleges through “gainful employment” measures, whereby schools have to demonstrate that its students actually find work to get federal aid. http://1.usa.gov/jkzQe2

Repeatedly increased funding for student financial aid, and at the same time cut the banks completely out of the process, thus us creating greater accountability. http://bit.ly/gYWd30 http://bit.ly/e9c7Dr http://bit.ly/eEzTNq

Reformed student loan program, to make it possible for students to refinance at a lower rate. http://nyti.ms/dMvHOt

Created a rating system for colleges, so that those applying for student financial aid know better what they’re paying for. http://bit.ly/14Dn7UL

Led a bipartisan effort to reform the federal approach to education and essentially repeal “No Child Left Behind.” http://cbsn.ws/2780qXu

Restored the Adult View on Science and Technology

Created a Presidential Memorandum to restore scientific integrity in government decision-making. http://1.usa.gov/g2SDuw

Opened up the process for fast-tracking patent approval for green energy projects. http://bit.ly/j0KV2U

Through the American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, committed more federal funding, about $18 billion, to support non-defense science and research labs. http://nyti.ms/fTs9t7

Obama EPA reversed research ethics standards which allowed humans to be used as “guinea pigs” in tests of the effects of chemicals, to comply with numerous codes of medical ethics. http://bit.ly/bKgqdS

Conducted a cyberspace policy review. http://1.usa.gov/gmbdvC

Provided financial support for private sector space programs. http://bit.ly/fn8ucr

Oversaw enhanced earth mapping, to provide valuable data for agricultural, educational, scientific, and government use. http://bit.ly/dNTRyP

Through American Recovery and Reinvestment Act, provided $500 million for Health Professions Training Programs. http://bit.ly/ecQSgA

Increased funding for community-based prevention programs. http://bit.ly/frMPG3

Expanded space exploration and discovery options to include more players. http://1.usa.gov/13qmZpm

Through the Connect America Fund, pushed through and received FCC approval for a move of $8 billion in subsidies away from telephone landlines to assist lower-income rural families in accessing broadband. http://lat.ms/vhRUEs http://bit.ly/129V3SY

In the wake of the West Fertilizer tragedy, formed the Chemical Safety and Security Working Group, to work on measures to prevent another such events. http://1.usa.gov/18kHSlA

Established a Cyber Threat Intelligence Integration Center, a recommendation made by the 9/11 Commission, to coordinate efforts to fight cyber-crime and terrorism. http://1.usa.gov/1A0aEoS

The Obama FCC, with his leadership, adopted strong net neutrality rules, to keep the Internet open and equal for everyone. http://fcc.us/1MhTlIA

Ordered rules to speed up deployment of a more comprehensive broadband infrastructure. http://1.usa.gov/M7rVpe

Set up a National Strategic Computing Initiative, to “maximize benefits of high-performance computing (HPC) research, development, and deployment.” http://1.usa.gov/1IN3FZa

Ordered a federal level change in national earthquake standards. http://1.usa.gov/1T5wGoR

Signed executive orders designed to strengthen government cybersecurity and prevent hackers from getting in. http://usat.ly/1R0saIt

Took steps to combat the effects of climate change by committing the U.S. to developing long-term drought resilience measures. http://1.usa.gov/1SMCuRY

Started the road to greater exploration of space by signing bill to encourage mining on asteroids and clarifying property rights in space. http://bit.ly/1RV2la9

Improved Our Health

Eliminated Bush-era restrictions on embryonic stem cell research, and provided increased federal support for biomedical and stem cell research. http://bit.ly/h36SSOhttp://ti.me/edezge

Signed Democratic-sponsored Christopher and Dana Reeve Paralysis Act, the first comprehensive attempt to improve the lives of Americans living with paralysis. http://bit.ly/fOi2rb

Expanded the Nurse-Family Partnership program, which provides home visits by trained registered nurses to low-income expectant mothers and their families, to cover more first-time mothers. http://bit.ly/jRRRJc

Along with Democrats in Congress, ushered through and signed a bill authorizing FDA to regulate tobacco and order tobacco companies to disclose their ingredients and to ban cigarettes falsely labeled as “light.” http://on.msnbc.com/fiKViB

Has overseen a 50% decrease in cost of prescription drugs for seniors. http://bit.ly/e5b1iq http://1.usa.gov/fVNkt9

Eliminated the Bush-era practice of forbidding Medicare from negotiating with drug companies on price. http://bit.ly/fOkG5b

Two weeks after taking office, signed Democratic-sponsored Children’s Health Insurance Reauthorization Act, which increased the number of children covered by health insurance by 4 million. http://bit.ly/fDEzGv

Urged Congress to investigate Anthem Blue Cross for raising premiums 39% without explanation. http://yhoo.it/e8Tj9C

Pushed through and signed Affordable Care Act, which expanded health insurance coverage greatly and ended many detrimental insurance company practices. He also established healthcare.gov. http://www.healthcare.gov/

Through ACA, allowed children to be covered under their parents’ policy until they turned 26. http://nyti.ms/fNB26V

Through the ACA, provided tax breaks to allow 3.5 million small businesses to provide health insurance to their employees. http://nyti.ms/fNB26V

Through the ACA, millions of people receive help in paying their health insurance company premiums. http://nyti.ms/fNB26V

Through the ACA, expanded Medicaid to those making up to 133% of the federal poverty level. http://nyti.ms/ekMWpo (Note: except for those states whose Republicans refused to take the extra money.)

By 2014, the Affordable Care Act dropped the number of uninsured Americans by 22.3%, which amounts to more than 10.3 million people with insurance who didn’t have it before. Only 13.9% of Americans are uninsured, a drop from 18.9% in 2013. http://on.msnbc.com/1r4kjGn

The Affordable Care Act has increased the life expectancy of Medicare greatly. http://on.wsj.com/1yuNco6

Through the ACA, health insurance companies now have to disclose how much of your premium actually goes to pay for patient care. http://nyti.ms/fNB26V

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #105)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:28 PM

119. Thank you!

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Response to Octafish (Reply #76)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:12 PM

175. Never saw that..

 

ughh - I just told my boss (big time right-winger) a very similar thing.. Reagan-ism/conservatism has rules for 30+ years and they keep calling the Clintons & Obamas socialists & liberals.. it's disgusting and offensive.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #49)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:49 PM

345. Technically he didn't sell out he always tried to have it both ways and make race a nonissue.

 

He'll come out with a full throated support statement for gay rights followed by policies and an executive order but tries to play even handed between blacks and the cops who profile and kill us. Looking back on it I really don't think Obama ever had any use for black people except as a voting block. If we want justice we're going to have to arm ourselves and police our own communities and build our own businesses while practicing group economics. Only then can we bribe politicians to do right by us. The marches and speeches are just for show.

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #32)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:33 PM

206. Jackie . .

 

in 2008 Obama had an explicitly progressive trade policy,

and promised to re-negotiate NAFTA among other things.

He lied.

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Response to FairWinds (Reply #206)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:40 PM

217. What do you think the TPP is?

 

if not a renegotiation of trade agreements?

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Response to Egnever (Reply #217)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:53 PM

247. The TPP is more of the same corporatist crap . .

 

that may well get Trump elected.

Obama got zero progressive support for his TPP lobbying, and
very little Dem support either.

That is the kind of "renegotiation" that cost the Dems the house and
senate after the Clinton NAFTA vote in 1994.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/03/30/business/economy/trade-donald-trump-bernie-sanders.html?_r=0

And the TPP is not actually a "trade" agreement at all. It's about corporate governance - of US!!

Please read yourself some Dean Baker, Naomi Kline, Lori Wallach, etc.

I'll telling you, the TPP is a HUGE LOSER for Dems.

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Response to FairWinds (Reply #247)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:06 PM

272. So because you don't agree with it it is not a renegotiation?

 

Ok then.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #272)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:53 PM

346. There are many reasons it is not a negotiation

Not the least of which is that NAFTA stays fully in effect with its rules as is. The TPP simply would sit next to it.

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Response to OrwellwasRight (Reply #346)

Wed May 25, 2016, 01:29 AM

372. Simply sit next to it is misleading

 

One important area of the TPP is the deepening of economic relations between the United States and Mexico, commenced under the North American Free Trade Agreement (“NAFTA”) and now proposed to be strengthened under the TPP. Proponents of free trade point under NAFTA to the increased industrial integration and trade flows, higher value-added work in the United States and better integrated supply chains that have contributed to an improved ability to compete with Asian production.

Under the TPP, the Obama Administration argues that NAFTA has been strengthened by expressly banning workplace discrimination and other labor abuses and by mandating that signatories set minimum wage rates and safety policies, and allow workers to form unions and bargain collectively – all areas that were covered under Mexican domestic legislation and now strengthened via the proposed multilateral treaty. The TPP also provides trade sanctions for violations of labor rights.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #372)

Wed May 25, 2016, 08:34 AM

392. Your post is misleading.

Last edited Thu May 26, 2016, 05:03 PM - Edit history (1)

Does it say anywhere that NAFTA is repealed? No. Because it won't be. So it is misleading to pretend it will no longer be in force. But repeating USTR propaganda is pretty typical of folks wanting to disguise the rules and impacts of neoliberal trade.

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Response to OrwellwasRight (Reply #392)

Wed May 25, 2016, 02:30 PM

444. Well that was a mouthful of pretty insults with not much substance.

 

No nafta will not be repealed but the rules of the TPP in many cases will supersede the rules in nafta efectively nullifying much of NAFTA.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #444)

Wed May 25, 2016, 05:57 PM

466. The substance is absolutely there

If you understand the issue. So let me clarify. Legally, the TPP will absolutely not "supersede" NAFTA. Both will stay in place with equal legal force. Where they have different standards, the entity seeking to enforce the standards can pick the standard it wants to use and will have to use the dispute settlement provisions of that agreement. But that entity is free to choose either agreement.

No part of NAFTA will be "nullified," "repealed," "replaced," "renegotiated," or "superseded" or in any other way be voided of legal force.

By contrast, the US-Canada FTA was legally superseded by NAFTA, as you can plainly see here on the Canadian government website:

http://www.international.gc.ca/trade-agreements-accords-commerciaux/agr-acc/us-eu.aspx?lang=eng

You will never see such a website saying that NAFTA is "superseded" because USTR's plan from the outset was to have the TPP coincide with, not supersede, existing agreements.






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Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:25 PM

332. Isn't someone allowed to not like Obama?

I didn't know that was a litmus test.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #1)

Wed May 25, 2016, 02:12 AM

377. I don't like everything about Obama, either--

e.g.:
His selection of Wall St. cronies to fill virtually every governmental job relating to economic issues.
His failure to prosecute Bush & Co. for war crimes.
His approval of warrantless surveillance of US citizens.
His relentless prosecution of whistleblowers.

Am I glad we have an African American President? I'm thrilled!!! Do I appreciate some of the things Obama has done? Of course!!!

But is he a perfect god beyond all criticism? Imho, I'd be derelict in my duty as a citizen if I replied anything other than HELL NO.

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Response to snot (Reply #377)

Wed May 25, 2016, 02:18 AM

378. Absolutely not perfect

 

That somehow means any criticism no matter how vile should be cheered and respected?

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:46 PM

2. They should all read his book Democracy Matters

and then look in the mirror...

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:46 PM

3. Because of the disgusting ways he's talked about Obama.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #3)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:54 PM

8. Freedom of speech

Guarantees our right to discuss our government critically

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #8)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:57 PM

10. Yeah, he can say it. And I can hate him for it.

 

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Response to CrowCityDem (Reply #10)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:59 PM

12. I have negative feelings for him because of Obama as well.

He's been hyper-critical at times and it pissed me off.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #8)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:05 PM

18. I don't have to like him to suit Bernie supporters

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Response to leftofcool (Reply #18)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:17 PM

25. I'm not saying you have to like him for Bernie supporters

I'm saying you have to like him if you're for racial equality.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #25)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:36 PM

55. I'm not saying you have to like him for Bernie supporters

 

But that's what it really is about. Part of the Swiftboating of Sanders.

Out of all of West's life, his single act of criticizing Obama makes him impure now. Like Sanders, he does not pass the Third Way purity test of unconditional loyalty to the infallible Party. Like Silas Marner, he must be shunned by the congregation.

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Response to AlbertCat (Reply #55)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:44 PM

229. "Out of all of West's life, his single act of criticizing Obama makes him impure now"

Nope.

For example, Dr. Dyson is held in high regard in the AA community and he's been quite critical of President Obama.

So ask yourself why one is highly regarded but not the other?


I believe the reasons Dr. West/Tavis Smiley aren't particularly liked is that people (AAs) question SOME of their motivations in attacking President Obama.

Basically, they don't believe it's purely motivated by politics.

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Response to PragmaticLiberal (Reply #229)

Tue May 24, 2016, 05:33 PM

300. they don't believe it's purely motivated by politics.

 

Well, now, because Sanders wants him appointed, they themselves are purely motivated by politics.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #25)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:45 PM

67. So,

the African American community that does not like him isn't for racial equality, by your standards.

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Response to sheshe2 (Reply #67)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:50 PM

71. Wait....whoa

Ouch.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #25)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:24 PM

188. I believe in racial equality and I think he's wrong about Pres. Obama.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #8)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:23 PM

35. What in the WORLD does freedom of speech have to do with this conversation?

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #35)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:50 PM

72. Not a damn thing

I wondered the same thing

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #35)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:21 PM

110. +1, calling Obama niggerized' is just free speech now on DU

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Response to Jackie Wilson Said (Reply #35)

Tue May 24, 2016, 05:33 PM

299. I have the freedom to say what ever I want

Bout the establishment. That includes your queen

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #299)

Tue May 24, 2016, 06:16 PM

310. You are confused about where freedom of speech arguments belong and dont

And I am an early adopter of Bernie Sanders

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #8)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:26 PM

41. Does that same right apply to criticism of individuals?

Does that same right apply to criticism of individuals? If so, how do you rationalize the use of that right as a rejection of liberalism?

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #8)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:45 PM

66. West is free to express his opinion and we are free to think that he is an idiot

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #8)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:00 PM

90. yes, and it also affords us the right to discuss cornell well critically. nt

 

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #8)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:39 PM

336. he can say what he wants

and people can take exception to what he says - that is the OTHER side of free speech

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:48 PM

4. He's perfect for Bernie. Sore Losers Squad Assemble! nt

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Response to onehandle (Reply #4)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:09 PM

20. Sore losers Squad?

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Response to onehandle (Reply #4)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:29 PM

45. Obama hated Blumenthal and blacklisted him. Yet Hillary Clinton used him as a source

and confidante in destroying Libya while paying him through her Foundation. Do you have a problem with Blumenthal? He did much, much worse to Obama than West.

Just curious.

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Response to polly7 (Reply #45)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:01 PM

92. Nailed it! nt

 

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Response to onehandle (Reply #4)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:41 PM

60. Hahahahaha! Nailed it.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:48 PM

5. He has a history of dumping on President Obama.

That would explain most of it.

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Response to Skinner (Reply #5)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:08 PM

19. I believe he is more dissapointed than a hater.

I haven't seen ALL of his appearances but most his criticism is warranted IMO.

The person projecting should post links to back up their hatred of West.

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Response to mikeysnot (Reply #19)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:36 PM

211. +1!

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:53 PM

7. Democratic Party Loyalty > Human Rights. [n/t]

 

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #7)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:58 PM

11. If that is the case

Than that is a real shame.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #11)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:24 PM

38. The reason people don't like him is because he spoke truth to power,

 

but the power was President Obama - and that's just not right!

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #11)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:37 PM

213. It appears to be the case.

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #7)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:47 PM

137. Ladies & gentlemen..

 

We have a winner here..

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 12:54 PM

9. It's because of what he says

 

And people often do what they claim they will do.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:01 PM

13. Yeah ... There is a contingent of DUers

 

Who stand on the very edge of conservatism whilst referring to themselves as moderate Democrats ...

I would beg to differ, but anybody can call themselves whatever they wish ... I doesn't necessarily make it true ...

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Response to Trajan (Reply #13)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:26 PM

40. There is a common misconception that "Liberal" means only "Not Republican."

 

So yeah, there are lots of "Liberals" in the Democratic Party, but not lots of liberals.

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Response to Trajan (Reply #13)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:34 PM

52. One can still be a liberal and take issue with calling Barack Obama the "first niggerized President"

The world is not the black and white that you seem to see in everything. It is possible to both be a liberal and to believe that other liberals should not be referring to the President of the United States with the N-word or comparing him to George Zimmerman.

I know...you beg to differ.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:04 PM

16. He's perfect for Bernie and Bernie can keep him.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:11 PM

22. He's intelligent, educated, perceptive, compassionate,

and an outspoken advocate for social and economic justice.

It's only natural that Third Way and Republicans would despise him.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #22)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:12 PM

24. Thank you

I needed this

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #24)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:24 PM

36. I understand. Don't let the name of this forum fool you.

Although, believe it or not, the name "democratic underground" really was descriptive of an overwhelming majority of the membership of this forum less than a decade ago.

Lots of love for Dr. West here:

http://jackpineradicals.org/content.php?s=a292cca16eb7b00694e46f066be97536

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Response to Zorra (Reply #36)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:43 PM

62. And just as much dislike for West too.

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Response to brush (Reply #62)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:47 PM

135. That's not true. In fact, it's ludicrous. I'd ask for evidence,

but I already know that there isn't any, so I won't waste any more time.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #135)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:13 PM

179. You don't know what you're talking about.

Go back in the DU archives for when West was introduced as a surrogate.

You'll find plenty of evidence denouncing it.

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Response to Zorra (Reply #36)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:44 PM

316. I feel like the

Real liberals are at jack pines. As you can see HRC has killed the party

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Response to Zorra (Reply #22)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:38 PM

216. That would be correct

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:12 PM

23. Wow this is disgusting

I'm disappointed in this so called liberal party. WTF happened to this party?

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #23)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:41 PM

218. Well, that is a long and sad story. It started back in the early 1990s. Many of us were taken in....

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #218)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:58 PM

290. We were indeed, by the triangulation tango and WJC-HRC, Inc.

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Response to GoneOffShore (Reply #290)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:17 PM

356. Great song, thanks GoneOffShore

Here are the lyrics for the hearing impaired, they start at about 40 seconds.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:18 PM

26. What (other than irrational biases) specifically leads you to believe that criticism

"How can you attack him and still call yourself a liberal?"
What (other than irrational biases) specifically leads you to believe that criticism of one individual equates to a rejection of liberalism?

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #26)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:21 PM

29. He is a champion of racial equality

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #29)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:24 PM

37. That's merely a response rather than an answer

That's merely a response rather than an answer*. What *specifically* leads you to believe that criticism of one individual equates to rejection of liberalism?

(*All answers are responses, not all responses are answers)

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:20 PM

27. He became hateful in recent years,

seemed to have lost his grounding.

That is all.

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Response to elleng (Reply #27)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:23 PM

33. I haven't seen that

I've only seen impassioned speeches

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #33)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:26 PM

42. All criticism of Obama (or Hillary) is "hate" [n/t]

 

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #42)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:07 PM

97. Seems to be that way recently. nt

 

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Response to Maedhros (Reply #42)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:43 PM

221. Some people forget this truth.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:21 PM

30. Because he's an abrasive jerk with nothing valuable left to say. (nt)

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Response to Paladin (Reply #30)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:44 PM

225. I value what he says. I value it greatly.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #225)

Tue May 24, 2016, 07:14 PM

314. Suits me. (nt)

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:22 PM

31. he'd rather stand up than kneel: simple as that

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:23 PM

34. I haven't seen that

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:25 PM

39. Because he's not with Team Hillary.

 

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Response to Gene Debs (Reply #39)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:44 PM

63. And we are so glad!

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Response to Gene Debs (Reply #39)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:42 PM

129. More, because he's for Bernie, truth be told.

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Response to SammyWinstonJack (Reply #129)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:48 PM

138. If you think this all started with Bernie you haven't been paying attention to Cornel

 

This started long ago when Obama was first elected.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #138)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:03 PM

161. Oh, definitely not. Dr. West was not shy about voicing his disappointment with Obama's

 

shortcomings, and for the most part I think he's been right on the money.

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Response to Gene Debs (Reply #161)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:07 PM

170. That is your perogative

 

Just as it is mine to find his words repulsive.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:28 PM

43. My guess is...

Because he is a progressive that doesn't support Hillary. That makes him the enemy.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:30 PM

46. Because he's been a blowhard forever and is in love with the sound of his own voice?




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Response to Hekate (Reply #46)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:34 PM

53. Who in politics isn't?

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Response to Ed Suspicious (Reply #53)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:37 PM

57. Does that mean you love all politicians?

 

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Response to Hekate (Reply #46)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:45 PM

230. You're just calling names.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #230)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:53 PM

246. You're just too cute by half. I say "blowhard", Brother West says "niggerized"

Which of us is being kinder?

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Response to Hekate (Reply #246)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:55 PM

253. That is a debate we cannot have.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:31 PM

48. I personally would have liked another choice, because I feel the pain and the hatred due to his

 

comments, and also know how important it is for people to come together.

Truth is, I also wish the AA community could see past those comments (authorized or not authorized, based on West's standing as a brother) and looked to the overall history of Cornel West, what he has meant, said, done, and stood for. As captured at least pretty well in this article.

https://newrepublic.com/article/121550/cornel-wests-rise-fall-our-most-exciting-black-scholar-ghost

West is not just the person who said those things. He is also the man embraced by Obama as “a genius, a public intellectual, a preacher, an oracle,” and “a loving person.”

He is has a history of being a leading Black intellectual, with a lot to say, and a consistently Progressive point of view. It is from that point of view that he has stood behind Bernie and been critical of Barack. It is from that point of view that if this truly does go down that he will vehemently and ardently defend Black causes and speak eloquently from the Progressive side in general.

Finally, it must be noted and is not noted nearly enough that this experience of effectively "losing" the first Black President in U.S. history undoubtedly carries with it profound feelings, especially for the AA community. That has to be. I mean, we almost should be having grief counseling for the community, because the loss is that large. There is also the concern about when we will see the opportunity again. Of course, we don't really know the answer to that, in reality. And in the mourning of the end of Obama's term, it is still important to move beyond the grief and into clear assessment of what has been accomplished and what is left to be done, particularly from a Liberal or Progressive point of view. Towards that continued fight, it is important to have people like Cornel West in the mix, to get beyond what separates us and to unite in what brings us together. Frankly, that is how we create the conditions where we will see sooner the Second Black President of the United States.

I am sorry there is this huge sentiment against him. It is a warning for people of good faith to be somewhat temperate in their dealings and in their words. I would request, however, that we look beyond some of the actual words to the true intent and lifelong activities of Cornel Wes ---- for the betterment of people of the AA community and in fact for people throughout the U.S., especially those disadvantaged, everywhere.

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Response to highprincipleswork (Reply #48)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:41 PM

61. I have to say Cornel West is the most caring and understanding person I have ever met

 

And it is a shame that people can't appreciate both men.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:39 PM

58. He's an actual progressive, and conservative trolls hate that in a person n/t

 

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #58)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:58 PM

84. Yea cause progressives say stuff like this

 

“Well, I guess that’s the difference between me and you. I don’t respect the brother at all.”
“Rockefeller Republican in blackface”
“brown-faced Clinton”

Real progressive. If that is how a real progressive talks about a sitting Democratic president fuck Progressives.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #84)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:59 PM

87. I didn't realize we all had to worship Obama. Silly me.

 

I thought people were allowed to have opinions and stuff.

Sorry, this isn't North Korea.

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #87)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:01 PM

91. LOL

 

Right the way you speak has no bearing on peoples feelings about you regardless of who you support. The mental gymnastics are fucking amazing!

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Response to Egnever (Reply #91)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:03 PM

95. The mental gymnastics are amazing indeed.

 

As is the irony

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Response to arcane1 (Reply #87)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:08 PM

324. Ahhhh, that word, "worship"

You know, I can go to Yahoo! and YouTube and listen to right-wing jackoffs say people "worship" Obama, and then call him the n word all day.

I think respect is what we're looking for.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #84)

Tue May 24, 2016, 09:53 PM

352. Frankly, as far as foul opinions about persons like Obama go ....

 

Those were pretty tame ... Nothing profane ... Nothing completely insulting ... Strong opinions without profanity is NOT inherently ANTI-Liberal ...

The same goes for the right wingers who insist that Liberals must love everybody, including the most despicable, otherwise were 'aren't very Liberal'

I don't recall any rules stating that Liberals MUST love everybody ... It's a fallacious appeal, as is your statement ....

Liberals of ALL races disagree with this president, and you, whom I presume is an Obama fan, want to disregard their opinions? ...fine ... It doesn't make them wrong, or you right ....

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Response to Trajan (Reply #352)

Wed May 25, 2016, 12:32 AM

370. Nope

 

I disagree with their opinions on some things. That doesn't mean I have to like Cornel or even respect him.

Nor does disagreement with Obama make you a liberal.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:41 PM

59. Your dad as well as brother West thank you.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:48 PM

69. Here's a start for me

 

“Well, I guess that’s the difference between me and you. I don’t respect the brother at all.”


He is talking about Obama, I have no problem with disagreement but that statement goes beyond that. It is not nearly the only over the top statement he has made either. It is petty and makes him look small.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #69)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:52 PM

75. So you're to obsessed with obama

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #75)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:59 PM

88. It's all an act n/t

 

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #75)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:59 PM

89. Yea that's it

 

Maybe you are too obsessed with Bernie.

Me I don't have a dog in the primary race neither one excites me.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:51 PM

74. He's criticized a few corporate Democrats for being corporate Democrats.

 

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Response to Marr (Reply #74)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:53 PM

78. Agree 100%

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Response to Marr (Reply #74)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:56 PM

83. That is...

The worst sin one can commit in the eyes of the establishment.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:55 PM

80. Because Obama and Hillary. nt

 

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Response to Name removed (Reply #82)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:13 PM

101. Cornell West isn't a Democrat.

He's a Democratic Socialist. An official one, no less.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 01:58 PM

85. very easily. one person doesn't make a movement.

 

And cornel west is also not a movement. To have a movement you need followers and he doesn't have them.

My sense is that he resents that Obama does have an actual movement and actual followers, and that AA have united over the first Black president. He resents the actual leader of African Americans.

his words towards Obama are just disrespectful and ugly.

"Too many black people are niggerized," West said Monday on CNN. "I would say the first black president has become the first niggerized black president."


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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #85)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:04 PM

96. You just worship Obama

 

or at least that is what someone will be along to tell you any second.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #96)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:09 PM

98. i don't worship him, but i do respect him and his presidency. I don't think an academic really

 

understands what it takes to run a country. (academic or activists really). He could have pushed back against specific policies while remaining respectful. Obviously he could not be bothered.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #98)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:11 PM

100. Agreed

 

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #98)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:44 PM

132. You're right

Academics and activists don't know anything about politics and the political system

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #85)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:44 PM

134. the biggest insult to the AA community

Is to paint them as overly sensitive to the point of having a Pavlovian response to anyone in that community that criticizes a brother....even if thought warranted by that person. I guess Killer Mike and Spike Lee are also on that list.

That it is the ACT of criticism not the actual substance of that criticism that they cannot get over.

Or that the ferocity and frankness of that criticism is too loud for their sensitive ears, and is especially verboten when coming from another brother. That they should just be thankful that they have a dark skinned President and that they will obviously then vote for his endorsed replacement no matter how more economically better they would be with the "other" candidate.

Oh yeah one more, that if anyone tells them that fact, they will act as children and stomp their feet and say they will then purposely vote for the candidate out of spite, because one of the other's supporters implied they were stupid for voting against their best interests on an anonymous message board.



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Response to LiberalLovinLug (Reply #134)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:37 PM

212. i didn't say that though. you took something i said and reinterpreted it to fit your narrative.

 

his criticism of Obama are not respectful. They are way OTT and frequently he sounds insane.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #212)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:16 PM

279. "not respectful"

Sorry but that comes across as code words for "not giving him a pass because he is a brother"

Obama is a grown man, and a seasoned politician, and has taken all kinds of spears and arrows from many directions. I'm sure he can take it. If Cornel uses words that have power to make his point, especially as a black man speaking to a black audience, ones that a white person could not get away with, well this might be the problem, I gather. You may not agree with that but that is how it looks from a distance. And that instead of actually thinking about what Dr. West's general points are, beneath his angry exasperation that comes through in his statements, you dismiss the messenger simply because he's being rude.

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Response to La Lioness Priyanka (Reply #85)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:00 PM

152. +1

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Response to Name removed (Reply #388)

Wed May 25, 2016, 08:43 AM

393. Who is the they who throw out their thinkers ?

 

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:02 PM

93. i am a fan

always have and probably always will be. He is honest, damn clear on his views, and has a right to them. I will always listen to what he has to say.
I wish there were many more of him.

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Response to Mira (Reply #93)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:48 PM

235. Right on!

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:16 PM

104. Because he's a jerk

The fact he's black doesn't matter.. I'm an equal opportunity hater.

To give him slack because he's black is stupid.

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Response to nini (Reply #104)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:28 PM

118. It's not because he is black

It's because he is a leading activist. I find you're comments inappropriate and racist.

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Response to nini (Reply #104)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:49 PM

236. You're just calling names.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:17 PM

106. at the risk of sounding divisive: I think he was targeted for being the blackest of Sanders picks.

 

Clinton's side has a history of targeting people of colour ("Superpredators" and David Brock's record on people of colour (gunning for Anita Hill) compells me to smell a rat in all these attacks in West.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #106)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:25 PM

114. When your whole decision process is colored by the primary

 

You need to step back and look at reality. Cornell has been disliked almost since the begining of Obamas presidency when he let his disappointment in not being included color his statements.

I like both Bernie and Clinton in their own ways. Both have strengths and weaknesses as far as I can see.

I think Cornell lost his mind when Obama refused to include him in his inner circle and destroyed what was a great legacy with his statements like Obama is the first niggardized president. Dissagree with Obama or Clinton or Bernie all you want but when you start throwing bombs like that you are going to have to excuse me if I no longer have much respect for your opinion.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #106)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:36 PM

125. After reading all the hate

It is definitely possible that he is being targeted by the party

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #106)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:06 PM

169. People in the AA group here at DU were criticizing him for ages before this primary season

That could have made things worse, but it didn't start it.

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Response to gollygee (Reply #169)

Wed May 25, 2016, 02:22 PM

443. Prior to 2007?

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Response to Capt. Obvious (Reply #443)

Wed May 25, 2016, 03:04 PM

447. Prior to Bernie Sander's presidential candidacy. N/t

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #106)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:30 PM

200. Only racist dumb ass's think Super Predator is exclusive to PoC

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #200)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:31 PM

287. I think we all know that back in the 90-ies, the majority of the targets of that slur were PoC.

 

Let's not try to whitewash (pun intended) Clinton's callosities.

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Response to Betty Karlson (Reply #287)

Tue May 24, 2016, 10:41 PM

361. Yes we knew.

 

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:20 PM

109. You mean the guy who called Obama "niggerized" last year?!?!? A better question is why all the love?

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #109)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:42 PM

128. what does that even mean?

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Response to wendylaroux (Reply #128)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:43 PM

131. Something vile and unbecoming but somehow people ask why the hate for this vile asshole...

... fuck him

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:21 PM

111. Because Sanders likes him.

And he's a progressive, which our corporate overlords are not.

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Response to AllyCat (Reply #111)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:02 PM

158. Yeap, Sanders "likes" a guy who called Obama niggerized last year and has him stump in front

... of mostly white people in IA and NH.

But blacks don't "know" him or have some syndromes or some shit ass'd excuse made up by Sanders camp for losing PoC so bad

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:25 PM

115. Because he says over the top, stupid shit like praising Trump as "authentic":

Brother Bernie and Brother Trump are authentic human beings in stark contrast to their donor-driven opponents.
https://twitter.com/cornelwest/status/635996114060050432

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #115)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:34 PM

123. Thanks a lot for taking

His words out of context. He hates trump.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #123)

Tue May 24, 2016, 04:38 PM

288. I showed the WHOLE TWEET. I didn't take anything "out of context."

If he hates Trump, he sure has a weird way of showing it.

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Response to SunSeeker (Reply #288)

Tue May 24, 2016, 05:05 PM

292. He is saying that

Trump is authentic to the republican racism and hate! He does not support trump!

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Response to jpmonk91 (Reply #292)

Tue May 24, 2016, 05:52 PM

306. That is not what he said. I quoted him about "Brother Trump."

He DID NOT say Trump was "authentic to his base." He didn't even mention Trump's base. No, he likened him to Sanders, saying both were "authentic human beings" who are "in stark contrast to their donor-driven opponents."

That Cornel tweet is so stupid on so many levels, not the least of which is the ridiculous suggestion that Trump is not sucking up to his donors.



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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:31 PM

121. West is a Progressive/Radical. Obama is a conservative Democrat.

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Response to jpmonk91 (Original post)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:38 PM

126. Because he criticized Obama once

 

Which is all it takes to get thrown under that bus

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #126)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:44 PM

133. Calling Obama "niggerized" is a tad bit more than "criticized" but of course Sanders camp likes him

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #133)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:52 PM

141. So what?

 

He explained exactly what he meant by it.

"A niggerized black person is a black person who is afraid and scared and intimidated when it comes to putting a spotlight on white supremacy and fighting against white supremacy," West explained. "So when many of us said we have to fight against racism, what were we told? 'No, he can't deal with racism because he has other issues, political calculations. He's the president of all America, not just black America.' We know he's president of all America but white supremacy is American as cherry pie."

Of course you don't care what he was talking about because it doesn't fit your simpleton narrative.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #141)

Tue May 24, 2016, 02:58 PM

148. Calling Obama "niggerized' = so what?! REALLY!?!... ok, bookmarked, screen printed and saved

... seeing people will scream up and down that race in the dem primary doesn't matter.

and even his explanation doesn't make sense seeing Obama spoke on racial issues before he was elected as president

West is an asshole who says racialized vile things about the president and few who've been paying attention are supprized that one camp in this primary supports the guy

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #148)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:01 PM

157. Yes, and he stated exactly what that means

 

Of course it doesn't fit your simple narrative, so you conveniently ignore it.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #157)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:03 PM

159. which is bullshit on a stick since it's false on its face, there's no narrative to fit. West is an..

... asshole who called the president some form of nigger and Sanders supports him

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #159)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:04 PM

162. He explained exactly what it means

 

Which you desperately ignore....cuz it doesn't fit the Brock issued talking points list.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #162)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:12 PM

176. His explanation was bullshit

 

Obama had an extensive speech on race before he was nominated even. Cornel claiming he ignored it does not make it so and was bullshit the moment he uttered it.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #176)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:18 PM

181. His explanation was spot on

 

Once in office with a bully pulpit, Obama became mute about race and racial issues.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #181)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:24 PM

185. More nonsense

 

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Response to Egnever (Reply #185)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:33 PM

205. Cornel was talking about the issues of TODAY

 

Things like BLM, police brutality, private prisons, etc., all the subjects Obama wouldn't touch with a ten foot bully pulpit.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #205)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:41 PM

219. WTF that speach was all about Ferguson and the shootings at the black church

 

Care to move those goal posts a little further?

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Response to Egnever (Reply #219)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:43 PM

223. He is/was quite specific on the subject

 

And has explained numerous times what he was talking about.

The fact you are perplexed, baffled and flummoxed is on you, not Cornel.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #223)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:44 PM

226. Yea ok

 



First and foremost, we have to recognize that one day’s commemoration, no matter how special, is not enough. If Selma taught us anything, it’s that our work is never done. (Applause.) The American experiment in self-government gives work and purpose to each generation.

Selma teaches us, as well, that action requires that we shed our cynicism. For when it comes to the pursuit of justice, we can afford neither complacency nor despair.

Just this week, I was asked whether I thought the Department of Justice’s Ferguson report shows that, with respect to race, little has changed in this country. And I understood the question; the report’s narrative was sadly familiar. It evoked the kind of abuse and disregard for citizens that spawned the Civil Rights Movement. But I rejected the notion that nothing’s changed. What happened in Ferguson may not be unique, but it’s no longer endemic. It’s no longer sanctioned by law or by custom. And before the Civil Rights Movement, it most surely was. (Applause.)

We do a disservice to the cause of justice by intimating that bias and discrimination are immutable, that racial division is inherent to America. If you think nothing’s changed in the past 50 years, ask somebody who lived through the Selma or Chicago or Los Angeles of the 1950s. Ask the female CEO who once might have been assigned to the secretarial pool if nothing’s changed. Ask your gay friend if it’s easier to be out and proud in America now than it was thirty years ago. To deny this progress, this hard-won progress -– our progress –- would be to rob us of our own agency, our own capacity, our responsibility to do what we can to make America better.

Of course, a more common mistake is to suggest that Ferguson is an isolated incident; that racism is banished; that the work that drew men and women to Selma is now complete, and that whatever racial tensions remain are a consequence of those seeking to play the “race card” for their own purposes. We don’t need the Ferguson report to know that’s not true. We just need to open our eyes, and our ears, and our hearts to know that this nation’s racial history still casts its long shadow upon us.

We know the march is not yet over. We know the race is not yet won. We know that reaching that blessed destination where we are judged, all of us, by the content of our character requires admitting as much, facing up to the truth. “We are capable of bearing a great burden,” James Baldwin once wrote, “once we discover that the burden is reality and arrive where reality is.”

There’s nothing America can’t handle if we actually look squarely at the problem. And this is work for all Americans, not just some. Not just whites. Not just blacks. If we want to honor the courage of those who marched that day, then all of us are called to possess their moral imagination. All of us will need to feel as they did the fierce urgency of now. All of us need to recognize as they did that change depends on our actions, on our attitudes, the things we teach our children. And if we make such an effort, no matter how hard it may sometimes seem, laws can be passed, and consciences can be stirred, and consensus can be built. (Applause.)

With such an effort, we can make sure our criminal justice system serves all and not just some. Together, we can raise the level of mutual trust that policing is built on –- the idea that police officers are members of the community they risk their lives to protect, and citizens in Ferguson and New York and Cleveland, they just want the same thing young people here marched for 50 years ago -– the protection of the law. (Applause.) Together, we can address unfair sentencing and overcrowded prisons, and the stunted circumstances that rob too many boys of the chance to become men, and rob the nation of too many men who could be good dads, and good workers, and good neighbors. (Applause.)

With effort, we can roll back poverty and the roadblocks to opportunity. Americans don’t accept a free ride for anybody, nor do we believe in equality of outcomes. But we do expect equal opportunity. And if we really mean it, if we’re not just giving lip service to it, but if we really mean it and are willing to sacrifice for it, then, yes, we can make sure every child gets an education suitable to this new century, one that expands imaginations and lifts sights and gives those children the skills they need. We can make sure every person willing to work has the dignity of a job, and a fair wage, and a real voice, and sturdier rungs on that ladder into the middle class.

And with effort, we can protect the foundation stone of our democracy for which so many marched across this bridge –- and that is the right to vote. (Applause.) Right now, in 2015, 50 years after Selma, there are laws across this country designed to make it harder for people to vote. As we speak, more of such laws are being proposed. Meanwhile, the Voting Rights Act, the culmination of so much blood, so much sweat and tears, the product of so much sacrifice in the face of wanton violence, the Voting Rights Act stands weakened, its future subject to political rancor.

How can that be? The Voting Rights Act was one of the crowning achievements of our democracy, the result of Republican and Democratic efforts. (Applause.) President Reagan signed its renewal when he was in office. President George W. Bush signed its renewal when he was in office. (Applause.) One hundred members of Congress have come here today to honor people who were willing to die for the right to protect it. If we want to honor this day, let that hundred go back to Washington and gather four hundred more, and together, pledge to make it their mission to restore that law this year. That’s how we honor those on this bridge. (Applause.)

Of course, our democracy is not the task of Congress alone, or the courts alone, or even the President alone. If every new voter-suppression law was struck down today, we would still have, here in America, one of the lowest voting rates among free peoples. Fifty years ago, registering to vote here in Selma and much of the South meant guessing the number of jellybeans in a jar, the number of bubbles on a bar of soap. It meant risking your dignity, and sometimes, your life.

What’s our excuse today for not voting? How do we so casually discard the right for which so many fought? (Applause.) How do we so fully give away our power, our voice, in shaping America’s future? Why are we pointing to somebody else when we could take the time just to go to the polling places? (Applause.) We give away our power.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #181)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:46 PM

233. bullshit, Obama spoke on race and racial supremecy before he was elected. West is an asshole

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #233)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:47 PM

234. Before and after are two entirely different things

 

He had no bully pulpit BEFORE he was president. Once he had it, he became mute, which is exactly what Cornel stated.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #234)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:50 PM

238. we agree, MUCH MUCH MUCH harder to talk about it BEFORE upcoming election than after but West

... is still wrong factually seeing Obama spoke of race in hiring after he was elected in a gym full of stundents and then sung amazing grace with them.

West

Is

Full

Of

Shit

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #238)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:51 PM

241. You can keep moving the goal posts, but...

 

There is no limit to my kicking strength and accuracy on this subject.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #238)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:56 PM

256. Don't bother. The poster you're replying to insists that the N-word isn't even a slur.

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Response to AgingAmerican (Reply #181)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:53 PM

244. Huge +1!

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Response to Egnever (Reply #176)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:25 PM

191. +1

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #159)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:52 PM

243. Please stop calling Brother West names like that. Many of us like Brother West very much.

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Response to Enthusiast (Reply #243)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:55 PM

252. Fuck Cornell West and the horse he road in on. Calling Obama some form of nigger isn't progressive

... at all and even the context the criticism is bullshit seeing Obama spoke about race multiple times.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #252)

Wed May 25, 2016, 07:27 PM

468. Does the "Brother West" bullshit annoy you as much as it does me?

Especially coming from the sort of folks that screamed that BLM were "thugs" because they went after Sanders and run, not walk, to call Obama a "sell out" every chance that they get and they ain't even black??

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Response to Number23 (Reply #468)

Wed May 25, 2016, 11:29 PM

476. Yes, ... yes it does... West "shines" in front of white people calling Obama as many vile names

... as can come out of his mouth then when (and if) he's in front of black folk he's little like to say.

Weak character and an asshole but since it's Obama hate the "far left" tolerate him.

I'm thrown... I REALLY have a different view of the far left in this country especially anyone who wants to call themselves socialist.

I got this thread to show em if they want to acquire acute amnesia in the future

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #148)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:06 PM

168. TY for archiving some of DU's riper historical moments

Lest we forget, or allow others to forget.

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Response to Hekate (Reply #168)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:12 PM

177. They'll swear up and down none of this happened... racially it seems like we're taking a step

... backwards here or ... or some people have been given a voice in Trump and don't mind letting their true feelings come through

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #177)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:20 PM

182. I think it is just primary madness

 

I don't really believe most of these folks are even aware of all the repulsive stuff Cornel has said about Obama and are mostly just sticking up for a Bernie supporter without actually having any clue of what Cornel has said to garner the disappointment people have towards him.

I don't buy the idea Bernie or his supporters are racists. Overly partisan perhaps but racist in general I don't think so.

Maybe I give them too much benefit of the doubt but I was in their place in past elections where I was very invested in a candidate and understand the passion that comes with it. This is actually the first primary in quite a while where I am content with either candidate while not really passionate about either. It has been a strange experience to sit back and watch the hijinx with no dog in the hunt.

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Response to Egnever (Reply #182)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:24 PM

184. That's tru, but when made aware they talk about free speech & shit, some people have to check their

... attitudes at least

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #184)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:25 PM

190. That I agree with completely

 

Some are working overly hard to fit a square peg in a round hole.

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #177)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:22 PM

183. Back when all this started

Someone told me there were no "racial justice vs. economic justice" threads--this right after some epic ones. I knew we were in trouble right then and there.

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Response to ismnotwasm (Reply #183)

Tue May 24, 2016, 03:25 PM

189. +1, they'll gas light the shit out of threads like this and act like they don't exist

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #133)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:25 PM

333. It was his word, none of us would have said it that way.

 

Why does that one moment matter so much? Why does it outweigh all the decades of brilliant good the man has done in the intellectual service of virtually anti-oppression cause you can think of? It's not as though Dr. West's analysis of race and class and oppression has been anything less than totally spot on over the years.

BTW...if HRC does get elected, in a few months she's going to throw the AA community under the bus. You know that as well as I do. When she does, it will be people who campaigned for Bernie(including the 50% of AA voters under 30 who support him) marching with you as you fight back. The centrists will be telling you to shut up and shouting "the Court, the Court, the Court" in order to shut you up-and then ordering the pepper spray and the beatings.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #333)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:31 PM

334. Calling anyone any form of nigger is inappropriate not matter what the "natter" was. The bigger issu

... issue is Sanders had this person who called the black POTUS a form of nigger stump for him in front of mostly white people in IA and NH and lost the PoC vote in both states.

This isn't the first time this guy said something like that about Obama... its BS defend him and one of the reasons why the ignored the "southern states" and spent very little there

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Response to uponit7771 (Reply #334)

Tue May 24, 2016, 08:38 PM

335. I DON'T approve of the use of the word. It's nothing I ever would have said.

 

And the people in those crowds in Iowa and New Hampshire weren't endorsing Dr. West's use of the word. They were endorsing his human liberation message.

(question: in the Sixties, the Panthers and similar groups used that term to describe black leaders they thought were excessively moderate and compromised. Would you have condemned that as muchthen as you condemn Dr. West now?)

It sounds to me that you are mainly outraged that HRC didn't get 100% of the AA vote and that you think any AA people who preferred Bernie were race traitors. Am I totally wrong to come to that conclusion about you?

And, at this stage in the game, isn't it time to finally stop attacking Bernie on race and admit that he was never going to put racism on the backburner? The conservative AA leadership got what it wanted...majority community support for HRC-can't the smears on Bernie and race finally stop? The man never deserved them and no one would lose anything by admitting that.

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Response to Ken Burch (Reply #335)

Wed May 25, 2016, 02:38 AM

380. Can't speak for Uponit

 

But for me I don't really care who is our nominee. I have issues with both of them. I also like things about both of them. Neither particularly excites me.

I dislike Cornel and have disliked him since he started his tirade against Obama almost immediately after his election. There is no question in my mind he felt snubbed by Obama and has said repulsive things about him ever since.

Before this thread I didn't even know Cornel had anything to do with Bernie.

You seem very sensitive about Bernie and seem to attribute anything said about anything connected to him as an attack on him or a shill for Clinton.

Bernie is Great! I hope he gets the nomination I agree with much of what he has to say...If he doesn't Clinton is great too just in different areas, I can live with her nomination as well.

Cornel is an ass...couldn't care less who he is stumping for. The fact that he has fought for civil rights does not preclude him being an ass. It certainly would make me give him the benefit of the doubt but after the third or fourth baseless attack on Obama I came to the conclusion nope he is an ass despite my agreement with him on a range of subjects.

This happened before the primaries ever started and has been ongoing for years.


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Response to Egnever (Reply #380)

Wed May 25, 2016, 03:35 AM

384. You're right, I am protective of Bernie. I'll cop to being oversensitive on that.

 

There are fair criticisms that can be made of the guy(he should have ha