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abelenkpe

(9,933 posts)
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 01:46 PM Jun 2012

Divide and Conquer in Wisconsin and Beyond

Divide and Conquer in Wisconsin and Beyond

http://www.rall.com/rallblog/2012/06/07/divide-and-conquer-in-wisconsin-and-beyond

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Here’s another story: A friend of mine who is a Wisconsin state worker told me back during the protests in 2011 that her neighbor, with whom she’d previously had good relations, had informed her that he sided with the governor. State workers were draining the taxpayers and the cuts to their pension and health care benefits were justified. The protests were just spoiled Madisonians throwing a tantrum.

My friend was bewildered. “I never begrudged him all the money he made during the housing bubble,” she said. “I thought, ‘Good for you!’” Her neighbor is a plumber who made money hand over fist during the go-go days of the latest housing boom. After the crash, however, work has been scarce. Does he blame the banking industry and Wall Street – the folks who engineered the whole thing, got rich at our expense, and tanked the economy? No, he thinks his neighbor deserves a pay cut. “I’ll never make the kind of money he [the plumber] made,” my friend told me. “But I was okay with that. I needed a steady job and good health care benefits for my family.”

The problem is deeply entrenched, extends beyond Wisconsin, and includes people who are not stereotypical right-wingers. For example, when the protests were going on, I had long conversations with an out-of-state relative, a college-educated woman who generally votes Democratic. She sided with Walker and even invoked his rhetoric, calling state workers the “haves” and taxpayers the “have nots” – as if state workers are not also taxpayers. (This framing had also been adopted in her state and a number of other states. Clearly it was a national strategy of the Republicans.)

I explained about the furlough days; I pointed out that the state fiscal bureau had projected we would finish the year in the black – before Walker took office and gave over $100 million in tax breaks to corporate and other interests. I explained that the “crisis” was, in part, manufactured by Walker to justify his agenda and that it wasn’t that big of a “crisis” anyway. We’d faced bigger deficits and come out of them without this kind of drastic action. I argued that this was about larger issues, about union-busting, making ordinary workers pay for the economic problems created by elites, and a privatization agenda. I invoked Pulitzer Prize-winning financial writer David Cay Johnston to explain that state workers weren’t getting “free” health insurance and pension benefits. These were instead part of a total compensation package, where negotiated wages were divided among current and deferred income and benefits. Walker had framed the issue as making state workers pay a little something toward the “free” benefits they were receiving.

None of this seemed to penetrate her skull. Her 401k had taken a beating due to the economy; why shouldn’t state workers also take a hit in their pensions? She was paying through the nose for health insurance; why should state workers get a better deal? We can’t afford these generous benefits now, she said. Beginning teachers where she lived received better compensation than she did when she was starting out as an accountant. Ergo, teachers are overpaid.

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Interesting article. How do we combat this?

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upaloopa

(11,417 posts)
2. I think it is "misery loves company". The things people say to justify taking away someones
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:07 PM
Jun 2012

benefits are excuses to hide what is really going on. Public sector workers haven't lost their benefits because they still have their unions. People don't want them to have something they don't have.

Me real feelings are that we are going to go down the toilet pretty soon. We will all be miserable. I really don't see any way out of that scenario because the only hope we have is if voters would vote for progressive candidates to take over the government and I don't see that happening.

If Obama were reelected, we got a majority in the House and Senate and changed the filibuster rules we could stack the Supreme Court and overturn Citizens United. I don't see how that is possible no matter how hard we work.

These thoughts stress me out and depress me but that's all I can see the future as being.

We had the chance after 2008 and did not do it. I don't think there is a second chance coming. I hope I am wrong but what I see of the MSM and the political sophistication of the average American I don't hold out much hope.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
3. It's clear the Koch Bros "divide and conquer" is working.
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:19 PM
Jun 2012

Divide the American people by demonizing unions that fight to get their members good pay, benefits, and the like - something non-union employees also benefit by - drain the state coffers by giving MORE tax cuts to the rich, and then blame the public union sector for imagined largess.

Divide and conquer and the American people are stupid enough to fall for it. Europeans shake their head in bewilderment.

 

HiPointDem

(20,729 posts)
4. I think you combat it in several ways:
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:19 PM
Jun 2012

1. point out the things the author pointed out in the article, and keep pointing them out. the repetition is key, and it should be in the media & through personal contact. the problem is that while the other side has used repetition to good effect, "our" side has not, and that's a big part of the problem. in fact, "our" side is often found repeating 'their" talking points.

2. point out some other inconvenient truths: that while public employees are being laid off, salaries at the top (e.g. in local gov't like nyc & chicago) are growing, as are the number of these very highly paid positions. not to mention no-bid contracts to cronies & the funneling of lots of tax money to privatizers of gov't services. point out the corruption & the ties of some officials to such companies, plus the payment of what are effectively bribes.

3. point out the larger picture; that as union power has declined, "the economy" has not gotten better, but worse, and that union wages keep wages up for all workers. the most likely result of further deunionization = more freefall. point out examples from all industries.

there is more, but the key is repetition. people should hear the opposite message as often as they do the "greedy unions" message. that the field has effectively been ceded to the privatizers shows the weakness/collusion of unions and pols to money.

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
7. HiPoint, your points are good points
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 03:00 PM
Jun 2012

that's why I posted a thread on MESSAGE. We Dems seem to be crap at messaging and framing.

We need to have a STRONG message, not just "We're better than the other guys". And we need to repeat it over and over and over and over.....

Lifelong Protester

(8,421 posts)
6. Your post is so unfortunately true
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 02:57 PM
Jun 2012

that I bookmarked it to read again later. I will be sharing this.

Yes, 'divide and conquer' is alive and well... and wow, how did I become a "have"? During the go go 90s, I was considered a 'sucker' by friends and fam-why would I work in the low-pay private sector? With my brains and education (their words!) I could be making a lot more.

But now, I'm a 'have', a 'fat cat' to be envied. Really?

hollysmom

(5,946 posts)
8. divide in so many ways
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 03:06 PM
Jun 2012

I have been preaching in another forum that this is all about turning normal people against each other and how willing they are to participate

The war on women turns young against old (fertile vs non-fertile), women against men

The people with enough against those that have none - no free loaders here

Immigrants VS the children of immigrants.

religious vs secular

educated vs uneducated - elitism

black against white

christian vs muslim

the list just goes on and on - they are making life unbearable with all the hatred. hatred is a very destructive emotion, but apparently very easy to trigger.

sabrina 1

(62,325 posts)
10. The propaganda Americans are subjected to has worked. And absent any real education to counter it
Fri Jun 8, 2012, 06:11 PM
Jun 2012

people, like the woman in the article, who are basically selfish to begin with, will absorb it because it relieves them of the responsibility of caring about other people.

The only way to combat it is through education, OR letting the whole thing collapse until all of them are affected.

I think people are basically good and if you asked that woman why she doesn't care about anyone but herself, she would probably be shocked. I have friends like her too, they are nice people, but selfish without even realizing it.

No one is appealing to their better instincts, which they have but their worst instincts are being assaulted every day.

I have seen this with children. They will often have a kneejerk reaction to someone new in the class who might be slightly different, maybe with a physical handicap eg. Ranging from ignoring them to being rude and thoughtless, to some who are naturally, or have been exposed to, caring about others.

But I have found that if I ask them questions, such as 'how do you think it would feel to not be able to walk? Would it make you sad, happy? And follow up with other questions, 'what if people didn't talk to you or ask you to play' etc. that they begin to think about it more deeply and focus more on the person, than on the differences. Often they will then go out of their way to try to include those children. That's because they have the basic ability to empathize, but maybe it has not been encouraged or addressed. But once it is, I have never seen it fail to help develop more caring people, and for them, the reward of discovering a person who is interesting and 'nice' as they say, that they might not have otherwise.

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