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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:37 AM Jun 2016

Is Paris drowning? Paris on red alert: Seine rises to its highest level in three decades.

- 19ft above normal - amid torrential rain that has killed 14 across France, Germany and Belgium.


- Parisians urged to avoid banks of the river Seine and Louvre museum shuts doors to evacuate priceless artwork.
- Horserider swept away to his death by flood water near capital as deadly floods wreak havoc in France and Germany.


A swollen River Seine, which had burst its banks in some areas close to the Eiffel Tower, which was also shrouded in cloud


Some towns in central France have been hit by their worst floods in over a century, with more than 5,000 people evacuated since the weekend and around 19,000 homes without power. This was the scene in Paris yesterday


Emergency crews push a boat during a rescue operation in a flooded area of Nemours, Paris. French Environment Minister Segolene Royal said she feared more bodies would be found as waters recede in French villages which have seen main streets turned into muddy rivers


Cars parked under the Asnieres bridge were submerged in the wake of the heavy rains in Asnieres, a northern suburb of Paris


Residents and visitors to Paris were unable to go for a stroll along the banks of the River Seine as flooding cut off pavements and roads


In the Loire Valley, a lake of floodwater gathered in front of the Chateau of Chambord, causing a watery reflection of the much-visited 16th century castle

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3623422/Paris-red-alert-Seine-rises-highest-level-three-decades-19ft-normal-priceless-art-evacuated-Louvre-amid-torrential-rain-killed-10-France-Germany.html

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Damn, France (and the heart of Europe) just can't catch a break. This once-in-a-generation flood is the last thing we need after the recent terrorist attacks and the labour unrest that's still on-going.

Fortunately, I have nothing to fear, as I live in the east of the city near the "hill" that forms the "Cimetière du Père Lachaise". But, the "caves" (cellars) in many apartment buildings are flooding, which means they'll have to be emptied, cleaned and disinfected.
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Is Paris drowning? Paris on red alert: Seine rises to its highest level in three decades. (Original Post) Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 OP
That Bir Hakeim shot up top is so freaky BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #1
At least the famous "Zouave" isn't under water, not yet anyway. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #3
I fell in love with a girl who was going to the American College GliderGuider Jun 2016 #7
Who knew? I first came to Paris to visit in June 1968. Fell in love with the Lady by the Seine then, Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #9
I lived in Paris from August to December 1969. k8conant Jun 2016 #51
I call it the most beautiful man-made place on earth BeyondGeography Jun 2016 #8
A constant and endless treat for the senses. She never ceases to delight. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #10
The 1954 Zouave OceanPete Jun 2016 #22
Awful. Just awful. mnhtnbb Jun 2016 #2
We're cold and wet! The central heat is still on in my building. And, a good thing, too. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #5
Sounds really bad liberal N proud Jun 2016 #4
People are in a foul mood, too. May is supposed to have the Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #6
May is always cold in Paris Laughing Mirror Jun 2016 #45
First part of the month, sometimes. But, from about Pentecôte on, it's often very nice. Even hot. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #46
Hottish days in early May? Laughing Mirror Jun 2016 #56
YMMV. For me, anything above 22°C is hot in the city, in a south facing flat. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #57
Well sure in a south-facing flat it's going to heat up Laughing Mirror Jun 2016 #59
"Once-in-a-generation" --- that is probably no longer correct. Hoppy Jun 2016 #11
It's been thirty years since the last "grand crue". But, climate change will certainly Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #13
Paris is the New Venice bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #12
Much cooler climate, though. June 2nd and the central building heat is still on! Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #14
This message was self-deleted by its author Hoppy Jun 2016 #19
What an offensively crude ethnic stereotype bucolic_frolic Jun 2016 #41
It is meant to be a swipe against Uber. Hoppy Jun 2016 #44
You were alerted on earlier because of it... PersonNumber503602 Jun 2016 #47
Those are amazing images... truebrit71 Jun 2016 #15
Yeah, when you think how much the American southwest and other regions need it so badly, it just Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #16
Right? truebrit71 Jun 2016 #18
Oh Goodness! Hope all are staying safe. AllyCat Jun 2016 #17
Paris sous la flotte. Ras le bol ! Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #20
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #21
A sad pleasure, Uncle Joe. My home city is drowning! Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #23
Glad youy're OK. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #24
Just cold and damp. My hair is naturally curly and in this Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #27
You're right. Bad Dog Jun 2016 #34
Dunno about that, Le Figaro had a video about flooding in York Warpy Jun 2016 #53
Bonjour LittleGirl Jun 2016 #25
Misery loves company, I guess! I know what you mean about "dark". Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #28
This is so sad Marrah_G Jun 2016 #26
Unbelievable! So sad to see. smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #29
I'm glad you are safe, Surya Gayatri! brer cat Jun 2016 #30
Thanks, brer cat. I'm fine, if a little cold and damp. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #31
I live in Southeast Texas and I know just how the Parisians feel right this minute! Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #32
Glad it all came out right in the end...C'est la vie, indeed! Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #33
Do you know what happened to the soldiers who had their vehicle overturned in the flood? trudyco Jun 2016 #48
I had heard they found several of them in the truck. I don't know how many. Dustlawyer Jun 2016 #50
La Vielle-Orleans? KamaAina Jun 2016 #35
Don't know if the original Orléans is under water or not. But, the Loire and Loiret Rivers Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #37
Best thoughts to all! LeftishBrit Jun 2016 #36
Thanks. For once we're getting a lot more rain than you Brits. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #38
Houston can commiserate. ScreamingMeemie Jun 2016 #39
Solidarity...hope people have some kind of flood insurance. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #40
My youngest was born in the Hospital Cochin near the Tour Eiffel. JDPriestly Jun 2016 #42
Hôpital Cochin...know it well. I was hospitalized there a number of years ago. Surya Gayatri Jun 2016 #43
Stay safe, Surya. Hekate Jun 2016 #49
GET TO THAT TOWER Gomez163 Jun 2016 #52
Parts of Texas are going underwater too. Rex Jun 2016 #54
However, kentauros Jun 2016 #55
I didn't know about Germany yikes! Rex Jun 2016 #62
Yeah, the Seine is out of its banks by over 6 meters! kentauros Jun 2016 #64
Have they given you boil water orders? nadinbrzezinski Jun 2016 #58
Paris is not flooded, the streets are clear Laughing Mirror Jun 2016 #60
That is good to know, I saw pictures of Paris but maybe they were other parts of France. Rex Jun 2016 #63
K&R!!!!!! burrowowl Jun 2016 #61

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
1. That Bir Hakeim shot up top is so freaky
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:43 AM
Jun 2016

The Allée des Cygnes is almost underwater, too. That's where I took my ballades for a couple of years when I lived in the 15th and went to the American College. Never saw anything like that. Happy to hear you're fine.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
3. At least the famous "Zouave" isn't under water, not yet anyway.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:57 AM
Jun 2016
Crue à Paris : ne vous fiez pas au Zouave du Pont de l'Alma !
Les Parisiens scrutent les épaules de la statue, qui sert de repère pour comparer les grandes crues de la Seine. Mais le zouave n'est plus ce qu'il était...

http://www.lepoint.fr/societe/crue-a-paris-ne-vous-fiez-pas-au-zouave-du-pont-de-l-alma-03-06-2016-2044120_23.php



Traffic is, of course, a nighmare. When the "berges du Seine" are closed, and everything is moved up top, good luck getting around in the city center.

I didn't know you'd lived in Paris. Did you fall in love with her? I have an old friend who used to teach photography at the American College.

 

GliderGuider

(21,088 posts)
7. I fell in love with a girl who was going to the American College
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:05 AM
Jun 2016

when I lived in Paris for a year in 1967-1968. I still have two cobblestones from a May barricade that I keep as souvenirs. These photos are deeply shocking and heartbreaking.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
9. Who knew? I first came to Paris to visit in June 1968. Fell in love with the Lady by the Seine then,
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:15 AM
Jun 2016

and came back several years later to make her my permanent home.

I have one of those cube-shaped cobblestones in a big planter with my house plants! LOL! That kind of traditional paving is a dying art, but it's still used in many places around Paris.

Tough to see the venerable old Lady suffering, not to mention many provinces of France.

k8conant

(3,030 posts)
51. I lived in Paris from August to December 1969.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:05 PM
Jun 2016

My favorite places were Montmartre and the Pont des Arts.

BeyondGeography

(39,369 posts)
8. I call it the most beautiful man-made place on earth
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:06 AM
Jun 2016

I spent four years there in all, from the ages of 20-24. After I graduated I went to Langues' O and studied Japanese, pour le plaisir (it was either that or come home to Reagan). As you might imagine, the whole experience, since it had to end, both broke my heart and strengthened me for life. Love it? Profondément.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
10. A constant and endless treat for the senses. She never ceases to delight.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:19 AM
Jun 2016

Couldn't agree more--the most beautiful, harmonious human construction on earth.

OceanPete

(29 posts)
22. The 1954 Zouave
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:53 AM
Jun 2016

Grew up in Paris and shot this during the 1954 flooding. These were the original Zouaves used to measure the Seine's height, they have since rebuilt the bridge, but reinstalled one of the the original statues!

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
6. People are in a foul mood, too. May is supposed to have the
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:02 AM
Jun 2016

most beautiful weather of the year. Write off!

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
45. May is always cold in Paris
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 03:42 PM
Jun 2016

June can be chilly too, as it is now. I live with cold hands here, and always have to wear shoes and socks to keep feet from being cold, except for during maybe two weeks in July.

Paris is generally cool and gray most of the year. But when it has a beautiful day, it tends to have a string of them in a row, and you really see how the mood of the people changes when the weather is nice. The Latin side of the culture comes out.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
46. First part of the month, sometimes. But, from about Pentecôte on, it's often very nice. Even hot.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 03:53 PM
Jun 2016

This year, there was a run of hottish days in early May and then 'whoosh', in came the rain.

How many years have you been here? I've been here 30+ years, so have seen heat waves you wouldn't believe.

The summer of 2003 comes to mind! Whoa!

The arrière saison is often unseasonably warm--mid-September to mid-October.

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
56. Hottish days in early May?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 02:09 AM
Jun 2016

Are you serious? It never even got to 25° yet, the whole month of May. I have a thermometer outside my window I look at every day. And I live in Paris III, right smack dab in the center, which may even be warmer than where you are.

I don't what you call hot. Hot to me is above 30° with humidity above 50. You never see that here. If the temp is above 30, there won't be any humidity.

As for September or October. Again, are you serious? Starting in August it starts getting cold again.

The heat spell in summer of 2003 was exceptional. That kind of thing rarely happens in France.

Why do you think nobody has air conditioners here? You don't need them, that's why.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
57. YMMV. For me, anything above 22°C is hot in the city, in a south facing flat.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 02:32 AM
Jun 2016

Having come from a purely continental climate, I quickly became acclimated to the less radical temperature swings of a maritime climate.

More and more people are getting air conditioners. I've even looked into one myself. I live on the fourth floor and heat definitely rises.

In my experience, Sept. and Oct. often have températures au dessus des normales saisonnières. That's why they call it the "arrière saison". The summer you didn't get earlier can show up then.

In a word, yes, I was perfectly serious. About my personal experience, that is. As I say, YMMV.

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
59. Well sure in a south-facing flat it's going to heat up
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:31 AM
Jun 2016

Go outside in the shade and see how hot you are. That's where the temperature is taken, in the shade.

Well I'm going to go out now and try to dry out the plants on the terrace. Hard to do, when the temperature says 15,7°. A real scorcher it's going to be today.

 

Hoppy

(3,595 posts)
11. "Once-in-a-generation" --- that is probably no longer correct.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 08:51 AM
Jun 2016

I had a house on the banks of the Delaware. There were geodetic surveys indicating it was a lower elevation site of 100 year flooding. We sold it after the third "100 year flood" in 5 years.

As the ice caps melt, the water will go somewhere.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
13. It's been thirty years since the last "grand crue". But, climate change will certainly
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:08 AM
Jun 2016

increase the chances of extreme weather events.

In fact, if you look at maps of projected sea rise, by 2100 the North Sea will have moved half way up the Seine watershed, and Paris will end up 100 km. closer to the "coast".

Response to bucolic_frolic (Reply #12)

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Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
16. Yeah, when you think how much the American southwest and other regions need it so badly, it just
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 09:19 AM
Jun 2016

doesn't seem fair.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
24. Glad youy're OK.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:02 AM
Jun 2016

My brother's holidaying in France right now. Typical, rain and a petrol shortage. The weather is really nice this side of the channel.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
27. Just cold and damp. My hair is naturally curly and in this
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:13 AM
Jun 2016

humidity, totally out of control.

Sorry about your brother's holiday. WASH OUT!

Normally, May is one of the most enjoyable months of the year.

But, apparently, the Gulf Stream is acting up because of El Niño, and we're taking the brunt.

Strange that the UK didn't get pounded as well. So often, the Home Counties and northern France get the same weather.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
34. You're right.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:57 PM
Jun 2016

Usually the French mock us for all our rain. It makes a change for it to be the other way round.

Warpy

(111,245 posts)
53. Dunno about that, Le Figaro had a video about flooding in York
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:09 AM
Jun 2016

so the weather system has managed to drench everybody in much of Europe. It's not over yet, the BBC weather guy was uncharacteristically gloomy about the prospects for an end to the rain, although he did say it would move around a bit.

LittleGirl

(8,282 posts)
25. Bonjour
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:02 AM
Jun 2016

I'm over in Basel and it's a mess over here too. They have the heat on too! It's so dark out that I need lights on in the apartment most of the day. Record breaking rain here for a couple of months now. They had to cancel river cruises because the rivers are so high that the boats can't get under the bridges. Freight is affected on the Rhine too.

Stay dry!

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
28. Misery loves company, I guess! I know what you mean about "dark".
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 10:17 AM
Jun 2016

This morning it was darker than in deepest winter. Enough already.

Parisians are in a similarly dark mood.

Toi aussi, reste au sec !

Dustlawyer

(10,495 posts)
32. I live in Southeast Texas and I know just how the Parisians feel right this minute!
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 11:52 AM
Jun 2016

I am watching the flood while typing this wondering if we will survive til Tuesday when we are supposed to finally see the sun again.

My wife and I honeymooned in London and had what was supposed to be a day trip to Paris. We left very early on the train and arrived at Guierre de Norde train station where a guide picked up us and 3 other couples for a half day tour and a half day free time before being brought back to the train station. When we arrived and our guide about to leave for his hot date he had, we noticed the electronic sign out front telling us a fire near the tracks outside of London had stopped all trains. We realized we needed a hotel and our guide hooked us up with one in walking distance before they were all booked up.

My wife and I then went back to the station to try to find a way back. We split up so I could get a phone card to call our kids while she tried to deal with the train company. I turned down a request by a local TV station for an interview, did my business and rejoined my wife who was in a heated arguement with the stereotypical snooty French Eurostar representative (not all French people are snooty). The TV station was filming the exchange and I stood back smiling at the absurdity of it all. After the representative walked off in a huff the reporter stuck the microphone in my face and said, "i noticed that you were smiling during the whole time that your wife and the Eurostar representative were having their arguement, pourquoi (how come)?" I replied, "We are on our honeymoon and now stranded in Paris, the city of love. I am not worried, it's how you say, C'est la Vie!" as I threw out my hands.

We eventually got back to London with the other couples being our new friends. It only took 6 buses, 5 trains, and a 3 hour ferry ride to the White cliffs of Dover, England. We saw a lot more of France than we bargained for and took pictures of our group at each change of transportation. It was a great adventure!

When we walked to the train station that morning to begin our odyssey, some people noticed me and started shouting "C'est la vie, C'est la vie!!!" Hundreds of people started shouting it loudly and shaking our hands and hugging us. Our fellow travelers were confused until my wife explained what happened the evening before. It is one of my most favorite memories!

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
33. Glad it all came out right in the end...C'est la vie, indeed!
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 12:01 PM
Jun 2016

Keep your life vests at the ready there in SE Texas.

They say El Niño's responsible for the upheaval.

trudyco

(1,258 posts)
48. Do you know what happened to the soldiers who had their vehicle overturned in the flood?
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 07:05 PM
Jun 2016

Last I heard there were still 6 missing.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
37. Don't know if the original Orléans is under water or not. But, the Loire and Loiret Rivers
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:16 PM
Jun 2016

have burst their banks, so it's entirely possible. Orléans is at the head of the Loire Valley.

ScreamingMeemie

(68,918 posts)
39. Houston can commiserate.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 01:20 PM
Jun 2016

People who had just had their floors ripped out from the last flood have had all of the new work destroyed. I'm about to lose my mind.

 

Surya Gayatri

(15,445 posts)
43. Hôpital Cochin...know it well. I was hospitalized there a number of years ago.
Fri Jun 3, 2016, 02:43 PM
Jun 2016

A really old hospital where they've done a good job of modernizing.

How long ago did you move back to the States?

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
55. However,
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:26 AM
Jun 2016

I haven't seen flash-flood scenarios in Texas like this one from Germany:





That is, unless someone managed to get video of the Blanco River flood from last year.

I see, too, from that video that there are some German drivers who are just as ill-informed about not driving into flood waters as here...

kentauros

(29,414 posts)
64. Yeah, the Seine is out of its banks by over 6 meters!
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:37 PM
Jun 2016

That's about twenty feet. Imagine the Brazos being that high...

 

nadinbrzezinski

(154,021 posts)
58. Have they given you boil water orders?
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 02:36 AM
Jun 2016

If not consider boiling drinking water for 20 minutes anyway. It is a precaution in flood zones around the world, even if you are not next to it.

And can I say it, can I? Climate Change

Laughing Mirror

(4,185 posts)
60. Paris is not flooded, the streets are clear
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 03:36 AM
Jun 2016

It is only the banks of the Seine that have overflowed a bit. Maybe a few people on houseboats have been affected.

In short, it's not the dire situation these blaring headlines would have you believe. No problem with the water supply. It's basically typical weather here, this time of year. Only we got 6 weeks worth of rain in the space of three days. So it will take awhile for all the overflow to melt back into the terrain.

I'm talking about Paris itself. Other cities have indeed some of their streets flooded. The president announced a national emergency because of this.

 

Rex

(65,616 posts)
63. That is good to know, I saw pictures of Paris but maybe they were other parts of France.
Sat Jun 4, 2016, 12:27 PM
Jun 2016

Not as if reporting is at it's peek perfection.

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