Death prayer for when it happens

[Gomez163]

Forgive and have mercy upon him. Excuse him and pardon him. Make honorable his reception. Protect him from the punishment of the grave. And the torment of fire.

[SusanCalvin]

1. .

[HERVEPA]

2. Maybe he doesn't want your christian stuff? Ever think of that?

Excuse him from what? Forgive him for what? From what punishment? What fire?
Pardon him for what?

[H2O Man]

3. It's okay.

Ali is at peace with all.

[Gomez163]

4. It's a muslim prayer, smarty

[Gomez163]

5. I'm 5 steps ahead of you people

[Hissyspit]

34. "You people"

[H2O Man]

6. Ali likes all prayers.

He had a fascinating talk about this topic with my brother a number of years ago.

[SusanCalvin]

8. Ah. Thanks for saving me the time of looking it up. nt

[Gomez163]

9. Link

http://ahadith.co.uk/hisnulmuslim-dua-51

[SusanCalvin]

10. "His spouse for a better spouse"??

Oooookaaaaaaay.....

[H2O Man]

11. It's okay.

We should not be arguing at this time.

Ali is at peace with all. And he loves all prayers.

[SusanCalvin]

13. I love Ali but I do not love all prayers.

Sorry to disagree with The Greatest, but there it is. Hope he would forgive me.

[H2O Man]

15. It's not important

that you and I do not have the same love for all prayers -- and people -- as Ali. Still, this is a time for people to think positive.

[SusanCalvin]

16. Yes, it is so important.

There are all sorts of good and bad prayers. If Ali appoved of bad prayers, I regretfully disagree. Personally, though, I don't think he did.

ETA. No, I do not love all people, in the sense of approving of their actions. Bad people, unfortunately, exist.

[H2O Man]

17. Around the Earth,

human beings are honoring Ali in their own way. The Champ is our focus now.

[SusanCalvin]

18. Not at the expense of agreeing with wrong things, sorry.

Hope he would agree. If not, I am at peace with my thoughts on the matter, but I think he would in fact agree.

[Gomez163]

12. I use the shorter version without that part

[SusanCalvin]

14. You did, your link did not. nt

[Gomez163]

19. That link has several different versions.

[SusanCalvin]

20. Ah. Cherry-picking. Gotcha.

For the GOAT -

[Surya Gayatri]

30. Thank you for the link. Very interesting.

[SusanCalvin]

7. That was my first thought.

Then I took it as good thoughts expressed in the way of the poster. Sounded like ritual words to me, without looking it up. Maybe I'll go look it up now.

But, yeah, I sure see your point, and came thaaaat faaaar from responding the same way.

ETA that, for the record, it didn't sound necessarily Christian to me. But I sure don't think he requires forgiveness, etc.

[Jester Messiah]

21. Excuse and pardon him for what, exactly? n/t

[Gomez163]

22. Please pay attention

[Jester Messiah]

23. You have my attention. For what is he to be excused and pardoned? n/t

[Gomez163]

24. It's a muslim funeral supplication. It has been said at muslim funerals since Mohammed died. Ask

Allah

[Jester Messiah]

25. So it's just boilerplate.

We just assume he's guilty of some trespasses against a made-up boogeyman from a few thousand years ago. Why aren't we beyond this yet?

[Gomez163]

26. Ask the muslims

[SusanCalvin]

28. If you're not one, or at least agree with what you posted,

Why are we having this conversation?

[jmowreader]

31. Uhh...YEAH...that's how Abrahamic religions work

In Catholicism it's called Original Sin. They hang Adam and Eve's rebelling against God around your neck like a millstone. Until you have been baptized to wash Adam and Eve's sin away, you can't get into heaven. They are serious as a heart attack about this: they'll baptize babies the second they're born if they don't think the kid is going to make it. (Which is one of the reasons the Catholics don't do Protestant-style total-immersion baptism.)

[Surya Gayatri]

32. It's the funeral supplication that will likely be uttered by the imam at Ali's funeral service.

Even if you don't agree with the contents, the form is worthy of respect.

Ali was a Muslim by choice. Please respect that choice.

[SusanCalvin]

35. That's sort of the way I originally took it, even though I didn't recognize it.

I apologize for my subsequent participation.

I think it was the "smarty pants" that set me off, although that is no excuse.

[Surya Gayatri]

36. It's all good. Thanks for the explanation.

[SusanCalvin]

37. .

[SusanCalvin]

29. You mean one particular imaginary friend? nt

[NBachers]

33. Some people just can't let it go, no matter what the situation. I, however, thank Gomez163

and I will read it again from my heart in the way it was intended: respect for Muhammad Ali; peace to those who are saddened by his passing.

Your experience may differ. That's your choice. Don't force your choice on me, however.