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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsI think Obama is going to win and win handily.
I think Obama is going to win and win handily.
The more the electorate sees Willard, the more they will dislike him (particularly that part of the electorate which is brown or gay or has a vagina and/or something functioning above the level of their brainstem). The debates are going to be more of a disaster for the Republicans than that time when Uncle Cranky McCain wandered around the stage looking for his doggy mid-debate.
My moneys on the smart black guy that most of the country likes, rather than the dull, awkward, unpleasant, unprincipled trull who thinks that cops, firefighters and teachers are parasites holding back the American economy.
Bring it on.
more:
http://www.balloon-juice.com/2012/06/08/bookmark-it-libs/#more-105519
snappyturtle
(14,656 posts)forward to the debates!
UTUSN
(70,645 posts)freshwest
(53,661 posts)bowens43
(16,064 posts)but I expect it to be as close as it was in 2000. We are more divided now then any time in recent history.
Logical
(22,457 posts)but I think we will lose. This country seems more and more right wing to me.
randome
(34,845 posts)I'm not going to win the Presidency, either. Can you spare me $50 a month?
Logical
(22,457 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)It just seemed a little odd for you to state you are donating $50 a month to what you think is a losing cause.
It doesn't seem...logical.
Logical
(22,457 posts)randome
(34,845 posts)If the best the Republicans can put up is Mitt Romney -someone their own members dislike- they truly are in disarray. And while it would feel better to have pushed them to this state with the value of our philosophies, I think Obama knows how to take advantage of the situation as it exists.
Logical
(22,457 posts)Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)There is virtually no viable path to 270 for Rmoney.
Also, the debates have not even started yet and that is when Pres. Obama is going to destroy this lying hack.
Look at this fairly insane CNN map which is better than Rmoney's very best possibilities. Rmoney can win FL and OH and NC and VA and still lose.
http://www.google.com/imgres?num=10&hl=en&safe=off&gbv=2&biw=1024&bih=705&tbm=isch&tbnid=B0Er6C9cKCAq1M:&imgrefurl=http://www.democraticunderground.com/1002764431&docid=i_w903sv314TXM&imgurl=&w=600&h=439&ei=ji_TT7KKJuKC2wXYv4CBDw&zoom=1&iact=hc&vpx=116&vpy=334&dur=4701&hovh=192&hovw=263&tx=136&ty=80&sig=109505628867040580375&sqi=2&page=1&tbnh=157&
I think the popular vote may be close but it will be a solid win electorally. I believe Pres. Obama will be over 300 EV by the time it is all said and done.
flamingdem
(39,308 posts)and good news but a little too close for comfort
HughBeaumont
(24,461 posts)The GOP Base.
Trust me . . . wait until the debates. R-Money is GiftTastic when tested. R-Money talks like a klutz falling down steps when his Faux/CNBC bubble is popped. All the billions in the WORLD isn't going to make this guy anything more than Bewsh 43 with a squarer jaw.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)after the debates.
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caesars things
(26 posts)Diclotican
(5,095 posts)ailsagirl
Before the debacle of the election in 2000 I would not have doubt that the US population was able to elect the best guy to the job - and I was going to bed, believing that Gore was president - waked up the next day, and was reading in the news, that the US population had elected maybe the most stupid man in modern times in the US... My belief in the US election proses, kind of broke down at that moment.... (even though I know how of a 3 ring circus the whole affair was in Florida) it still is moment of WHAT????????
And to be honest with you all. After Bush jr in 2000, I have still to trust americans to not be able to elect another idiot to the White House, you dodged the bulled with Obama in 2008, but I am still not sure, if enough americans have understood that to turn around USA from what is was, to a better future after 8 year of grave mismanagement and outright corruption is no easy way.. It takes a long time to get tot he shores, after being on deep water... And US are not there yet - on the shores so everyone could calm down and take a easy ride.. US is still on rocky water, and could still get a lot of damage maybe even a ruin before they got to the shores and calm water...
And it doesn't when neo-cons, and many others of the GOP style are doing their best to try to destroy whatever good is left in the United States of America...
And yes - quite a few ones should have been committed to a mental hospital, because they are absolutely nutters..
Diclotican
ailsagirl
(22,885 posts)I think things are different, what with legislation now in-place to protect voters, the governor with the DOJ breathing down his neck, the precinct heads ignoring the command to purge voters, the ACLU filing a lawsuit, Obama's numbers rising in Florida while the governor's are falling, etc.
This all gives me hope. People seem to be waking up and raising hell!!
Diclotican
(5,095 posts)ailsagirl
We can always hope for the best, and it looks promising that DOJ and ACLU, and most people making a fuzz about the outright try to cheat, steal and other vice dot hey best to steal this election too... But, even with an eye on the election, I would not be surprised if they was not trying to steal the election, to the GOP candidate even when the evidences for a rigged election are all over the place.. After all Jr got elected twice, even when the election result in many states at best was dobius...
I hope Obama got re-elected mostly because he IS the best hope we all have for not going down crashing.. It is not just an internal election in the US who are on the verge here.. US is a important nation, and therefore a election there have consequences long away from the borders of US.. I doubt the world would accept another gong-ho american republican president...
But I hope enough people is waking up to the reality of what is happening now, and doing something with it, not just sit down and stick the head in the ground and deny it ever happend...
Because if they do, it will be worse, and worse - to it explodes... The whole affair can go to a critical mass, and explode.. I know a few things about history - and one of them, is that if things really is getting bad, a bloody revolution, or an uprising would be the end-game.. And then not even the best security could not make them survive.. I guess the 1 percent should learn a few things about history the last 250-300 year..
Diclotican
ailsagirl
(22,885 posts)Diclotican:
I hear you. Loud and clear. Sometimes things get so intense that I have to take a break, otherwise I won't be any good for anyone, especially myself. We'll get through this-- we're getting through this, one agonizing day at a time. To be honest, I never would have thought Obama would be elected-- I was sure he had the support but I was equally sure that the repukes would never let it happen. Well, it did. I'm so grateful for that. And I know we have the majority on our side.
Hang in there and so will I
Diclotican
(5,095 posts)ailsagirl
Sometimes it is indeed a need for a break, because it looks to gleam, to bad to really be any hope of recovering from the devastating effect of 8 year with republican rule and mismanegment... But we all have to just hang in there I guess, and in our little ways make it possible for sanity to regain control again..
And it would not be easy, specially when "someone" would try to steal the election with election fraud.. It happened in 2000, it possible happened in 2004 - it could happened in 2012 too if they got the chance to do it... The purge of people who could vote for "the wrong guy, aka Obama) is clearly as day in many states - to challenge people who have been in US for all their life, some have even served in numerous wars the US have been into - and now they are told they must give evidence for their right to vote.. Thats smell of trying to vote rigging and suppressing the Right to vote to me...
I hope for one reason or another that enough americans understand how bad things, and vote for Obama.. Not that he is all that "holyman" thing, but rather that he is far better than the republican candidate..
I hope for the best - even when I live on the other side of the pound and is not directly inflicted about how things are in the US.
Diclotican
ailsagirl
(22,885 posts)I never would have believed that America could have sunk so low-- I thought we had laws covering the unforgivable behavior of the repukes?? It's just madness. I need to focus on my life right now-- I mean, the election is so far away!! I think the repukes mistake civility for weakness. Obama is a very civil person. He does not, will not, get down in the mud with the repukes. He will fight fairly. He must be aware of the repukes and their dirty tricks-- he's not stupid. I just hope they don't get away with anything they may have in mind because, honestly, I believe Obama would win without a struggle if no shenanigans were going on, but given their sheer, flagrant disrespect for the law (these are the lawmakers, incredibly), I just can't be sure.
Liberal_in_LA
(44,397 posts)Paka
(2,760 posts)but I am so scared. I'm too old to watch my country be destroyed under a Romney presidency. Maybe the destruction is inevitable, but I was hoping it could be slowed down enough that I could bow out before the final act. If it gets put on a fast track I won't beat that deadline.
Skittles
(153,113 posts)I see repukes fired up and Democrats just.....tired
Ship of Fools
(1,453 posts)If it gets put on a fast track, I don't INTEND to beat the deadline.
Too depressing, and fighting clinical depression all my life has
taken its toll.
HOWEVER! I'm going to do my very little bit...keep talking to
the redneck wonders that surround me in my family.
And thank you, DU, for the political education I so desperately need.
I'm no genius, and the depression has seriously affected my communication
and social skills all of these years, as well. But I've come a long way and
will opine until my very last breath (yes, I can be a drama queen.)
but it's too soon to predict at this point. We'll know better in the fall.
boxman15
(1,033 posts)and especially during and after the debates, the public will realize how awful a President Romney would be.
I predict Obama wins 53% of the national vote and 313 electoral votes.
http://www.270towin.com/2012_election_predictions.php?mapid=mBI
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)with fewer electoral votes. That would signal a clear polarization with people are certain beliefs congregating towards specific parts of the country.
boxman15
(1,033 posts)The country hasn't been this polarized by region since the Reconstruction era. That map looks more like the 1860 map than any other. It's borderline scary, given that this country is obviously polarized.
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)...that 2012 will be very similar to 1996. I expect that President Obama will make small, but very visable, improvements in both his popular and electoral vote margins. Like 1996, some June polls predicted a close race. Like 1996, I don;t think that there will be much doubt as to the outcome after the Summer.
Of course, the best way to insure that President Obama will win and win handily is to break our collective arse and act as though it really is a close race that willard has a chance to win. President Clinton campaigned harder in 1996, if possible, than 1992.
That's my 2 cents, and quite possibly overpriced at that!
PEACE!
liberalnationalist
(170 posts)because I have to agree with you, but I think this is more like 1984....I only have according to my huffington post map Raw Money only at a solid 88 electoral votes, and Obama at a definited 347, and this includes VA, FL, NC, OH
MarianJack
(10,237 posts)..."your mouth to God's ear"!
bain romney and his party need to be SOUNDLY thumped this year!
BTW, welcome to DU!
PEACE!
liberalnationalist
(170 posts)I like democratic underground better than KOS or Newsvine....they sensor too much
jwirr
(39,215 posts)longship
(40,416 posts)There are many Moaning Myrtles here. I myself sometimes get down and out about our situation. But, you are absolutely correct. Our opponent's message is nothing but opposition.
The Moaning Myrtles post about stolen elections that aren't even close (it's a vast conspiracy!), drones in our neighborhoods (apparently ready to shoot us all dead as soon as Obama himself approves that we are on the kill list), cast blame at everybody but those who are to blame.
So who's to blame? It is those who have siezed the power of the government as surrogates for the voters. Their message is unequivocal: you cannot trust government, therefore you have to give all governmental power to us. Don't worry that everything we have done for the last generation has made all your lives more miserable. The fault is not ours. It is those who make government bigger, but that's not us.
The fact that this argument is precisely opposite to the truth, and the fact that our opponents are projecting every single one of their faults on us, somehow escapes too damned many people. They believe it.
Samuel Clemons said, "Give a man a reputation as an early riser and he can sleep until noon."
The fucking Republicans are milking a reputation that they haven't deserved for decades.
What do we do?
cali
(114,904 posts)but I do believe that he (or she) with the most money usually wins.
and btw, I knew Walker wouldn't be recalled. I didn't go around saying that here, but I thought that was pretty clear. I think Romney has the edge.
Jamaal510
(10,893 posts)I honestly cannot wait until October when they debate. I'm sick of hearing Mitt Robme's lies and fear-mongering about the president, and I'm hating him increasingly every day. I'm dying to see PBO wipe the floor with him in the debates. But because of those voter ID laws enacted in a handful of states, the Citizens United decision, and America's history of selecting the Chimp-and-Chief in 2000 and 2004 as president, nothing is a given for Democrats.
Iwillnevergiveup
(9,298 posts)aren't the only ones who hear Romney lying every single day. Add those lies on top of his insults ("I'm not worried about poor people" and gaffes ("I like firing people", and we have several more months for him to pile on.
K&R
D23MIURG23
(2,845 posts)If they can buy the presidency for Romney, then they can buy it for anyone, but I don't have any reason to believe they can't buy it for Romney.
Snarkoleptic
(5,996 posts)rmoney's "the help never speaks to me this way" approach.
No amount of money can cure the massive flaw in rMoney's worldview.
demosincebirth
(12,529 posts)looking "like a drunken sailor trying to cross a street." Quote from a republican pundit.
The Blue Flower
(5,433 posts)Prepare for gross overreach by the R's in the sheer avalanche of negative ads they'll be buying with their big war chests. I think the electorate will be well and truly sick of them come November.
Major Nikon
(36,818 posts)Not only does he say stupid things, he doesn't even understand why they are stupid. The GOP doesn't even like him. The only people who are going to vote for him are those who hate Obama so much they would vote for anyone BUT him.
cali
(114,904 posts)progress2k12nbynd
(221 posts)I'm not picking on your OP specifically but just commenting on the general tone of posts on here. Is there a single possible advantage to assuming we have this wrapped up in June?
I don't see an advantage in handwringing either but I do not understand why we make posts like these that pretty much guarantee a victory five months out. If anything doesn't that keep voters home?
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dinopipie
(84 posts)in the house and senate.....
The election process has changed dramatically the last few years if you do not know and I personally would not put all my eggs in one basket.
Sure I will vote for the President but I am preparing for a puke take over just in case and IMHO everyone who is not prepared for the bottom falling out and total mayhem is really not paying attention.
Motown_Johnny
(22,308 posts)(Then) Sen. Obama did not beat the better funded Clinton political machine by being an average politician. The man is as good as it gets. I have every confidence that the same people who won in 2008 will be able to win again in 2012.
bigtree
(85,975 posts)Oh, never mind
RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)Response to RBInMaine (Reply #31)
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RBInMaine
(13,570 posts)ileus
(15,396 posts)Mark my word.
There are about 20 states that Obama has no chance of winning.
The final state split will be fairly close to even. The chances that Obama will win 43 are close to zero. The only way that could happen would be if the Romney campaign completely collapsed due to a major scandal.
gejohnston
(17,502 posts)All Obama needs is a modern version of the Daisy ad, and just ask Mitt "so you signed this strict gun control law while Governor......" which Mitt did. It will be 1964 all over again.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_election,_1964
Wounded Bear
(58,598 posts)However, the real need is to work for more progressive Congresscritters.
We need to get the House back and keep the Senate.
I think my fondest wish, after getting Obama re-elected, is to see cry baby Boner bawling in defeat.
And, oh, I'd love to bitch slap that weasel Cuntor, too.
Motorcycle Rider
(11 posts)To be truthful I now see the Obama administration making one mistake after another. It's as if they don't want to win. If the bloodbath is Wisconsin isn't a wake-up call to them then they will lose.
Just look at the week ahead.
1. Sen.'s Feinstein and McCain will call for a Senate investigation for the security leaks over the drone targeting in Afghanistan and Pakistan and the STUXNET/Flame virus attack on Iran.
2. On Monday there's a better than 50% chance the SCOTUS will decide against President Obama's health care plan.
3. President Obama made the most incredible gaffe stating the private sector economy is doing well.
4. Finally, it was reported Gov. Romney is raising more campaign cash than President Obama.
Obama's handlers better get their game faces on right the f*ck now or the election results in November will echo those of last week here in Wisconsin.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Motorcycle Rider
(11 posts)The same flippant attitude by the democrats lost them the election in Wisconsin. There were some of us who tried to ring the fire bell after we realized there were a whole lot more "I Support Walker" than Barrett signs across the state. I tried to bring this up at our local Barrett re-election office. "Polls mean nothing". "Only the uneducated dirty classes would vote for Walker". Blah, blah, blah. I had to beg for a Barrett sign for my yard. You don't realize how bad things really are for us democrats.
I bring it up here and I get a birther reference. Damn.
DCBob
(24,689 posts)Motorcycle Rider
(11 posts)DCBob
(24,689 posts)mikekohr
(2,312 posts)but we need 25 in the House and need to hold the Senate and reform the filibuster rule for real progressive action to occur in the legislature.
OBAMA and 25 In '12
Safetykitten
(5,162 posts)kemah
(276 posts)You can see the similarities between Reid's election and Obama's. Reid won because of the union and Hispanic vote. Also the ground game of Obama's and the unions.
Hispanics, union, women, young people are all in for Obama.
The debates will be such a disaster for the gop. Romney can not think outside his memorized talking points, once thrown off, the gaffes, the fluster, the ignorance will show itself.
Romney is used to being the CEO presenter, where no one questions his power point presentation, but just stand up and give him his standing ovation for a mediocre job. He is so full of himself, it is easy to detect in his campaign speeches, lies, distortions, and gaffes.
Motorcycle Rider
(11 posts)Obama may have screwed the Hispanic vote by going after the Catholic Church.
What was he thinking??? Stupid, stupid, stupid ...
Moosepoop
(1,920 posts)From May 23:
http://firstread.msnbc.msn.com/_news/2012/05/23/11831077-obama-leads-big-with-latinos?lite
By NBC's Mark Murray
Less than six months before Novembers presidential election, President Obama enjoys a sizable lead over Mitt Romney among Latino voters, according to a new national NBC News/Wall Street Journal/Telemundo poll of Latino respondents.
<snip>
In this survey, Obama holds a 34-point lead over Romney among registered Latino voters, 61 to 27 percent. In 2008, according to the exit polls, Obama defeated McCain among this key voting bloc, 67 to 31 percent.
In addition, Obamas approval rating among all Latino adults stands at 61 percent (compared with 48 percent of all Americans in the new NBC/WSJ poll), and approval of his handling of the economy is at 54 percent (versus 43 percent overall).
Screwed the Hispanic vote? What were you thinking???
Oh, and welcome to DU.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)Regards
dionysus
(26,467 posts)Odin2005
(53,521 posts)coalition_unwilling
(14,180 posts)something like LBJ's in 1964 or Reagan's in 1980.
Maybe I'm wrong but it seems that even most Repigs don't like Romney. Are they really going to go to the polls for someone they dislike so much? Yeah, I know, they dislike Obama more than they dislike Romney. But, even so, voting requires time and effort. I just don't see it for Romney.
Pisces
(5,599 posts)caesars things
(26 posts)Kali-Yuga be gone! The demons are in control!
Enrique
(27,461 posts)Romney attacking the health reform that he invented, and Obama attacking the Bush tax cuts which he extended.
Zax2me
(2,515 posts)Seems everyone wants to see glass half full, however.
I might be too full with my glass but would be shocked beyond belief, considering his wild popularity, if he didn't win by at anything lower than 8 points.
caesars things
(26 posts)I will sure as hell not vote for Romney, because his policies don't match my ethics. But being socially awkward is not a negative in my book. I find it endearing, in fact.
So you like the "cewl" kid; the most popular in class. HE'S ORDERING DRONE ATTACKS!
http://thewe.cc/thewe_/images_5/---/illuminati-war-games/us-drone-attacks-kill-2043-people.jpe
Chevy
(1,063 posts)The media keep harping on popular vote as per their obsession with a horse race not the electoral college where it counts. As recently reported Florida may be moving to the blue column that leaves the President with needing just 2 of the Northern States, Flip Romney basically has to run the board.
Faygo Kid
(21,477 posts)I hope you're right. I think the fix will be in.
Dawson Leery
(19,348 posts)zentrum
(9,865 posts)...elections whoever has the most money wins.
We better be ready to have a ground game that can be outspent but not be out smarted. And where the hell have the Dems been about getting rid of hackable voting machines?
We might win and still "lose".
stupidicus
(2,570 posts)unless the repubs could put up someone who'd restore some sanity to the party.
Obviously that didn't happen
perdita9
(1,144 posts)Don't bank on anything in November. It's all up for grabs and the GOP has a lot of dirty tricks to play.
peace frog
(5,609 posts)If they can't buy the election, they will steal it if at all possible. Expect very dirty pool, folks.
uponit7771
(90,301 posts)...people didn't want to vote Walker out on policy alone.
Gray Davis though...WTF were they thinking
Blue_In_AK
(46,436 posts)I don't have much faith in the collective intelligence of the American people.
tabasco
(22,974 posts)The rich fuckers are intent on dragging us into the abyss.
hue
(4,949 posts)MrModerate
(9,753 posts)Money money money money. Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin Wisconsin.
NorthCarolina
(11,197 posts)Honeycombe8
(37,648 posts)cbrer
(1,831 posts)Oh yeah! Bring it!
ThomThom
(1,486 posts)the question is will the media cover it?
Loryn
(942 posts)I am not so confident.
NoPasaran
(17,291 posts)Crazy talk, that's what it is, crazy talk!
SaB2012
(101 posts)He will win decisively in both the electoral college and the popular vote.