Are you willing to compromise on Social Security and Medicare?

[unkachuck]

They had better watch how they talk to me about Social Security and Medicare....I'm their worst nightmare....I'm a senior on steroids....I'll drool and bleed all over them.

I'm not willing to give up one red cent of my Social Security or Medicare so that the richer can get richer. How about you?

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[Politicalboi]

1. The ONLY way I would compromise

Would make retirement start at 55.

[virgogal]

2. No. I'm on both now and it's getting

tougher and tougher.

I'm lucky in that I have a small pension. Four of my kids won't have one,the two in unions will. (I hope).

Scary times.

[SoutherDem]

3. Especially A Republican Non-Compromise Compromise

Republicans have become experts in holding out giving a very little, getting most of what they want and brag about compromising.

I hope this time Obama stands his ground.

[WorseBeforeBetter]

4. NO. Raise the fucking cap, tax the wealthy...

and drastically cut the military budget.

[CaliforniaPeggy]

5. EXACTLY right! n/t

[rubluetoo]

6. Exactly...

[RC]

7. Where is Hell is the HELL NO! option?

Why is it always the rich bastards that don't need Social Security and Medicare always the ones trying to get rid of them?
How would they like it if we tried to get rid of their tax breaks that we don't get?

[TheKentuckian]

13. I was hunting for the "Fuck No!!!!" option and compromised all the way to no

Even "Hell No" is a half loaf.

[rhett o rick]

24. Same here. nm

[RC]

28. In that case, how about a 'Hell Fuck NO!" option!

Or a "Fuck Hell NO!"

Damn people don't know how to properly word a Poll!

[raccoon]

46. You beat me to the post. nt

[Dragonfli]

8. I would not compromise unless it was to increase benefits and raise the cap our party however..

...very much wants to compromise our benefits away.

"Our plan makes roughly two dollars in benefit reductions for every one dollar in revenue increases"

http://www.thirdway.org/publications/363

It sounds more Republican than Democratic, but if you want to know our parties plans under a center right leadership, just ask third way (or more precisely, just look up their GOP lite plans directly on their site)

They are talking cuts to save what they consider to be a false idea (Social Security)
"the inter-generational promise of Social Security—our nation’s most important social insurance program—is a false one." according to them.

Can we call them Republicans yet?

[MannyGoldstein]

12. They are raging triangulators. And it's working.

Even here on DU many get angry when we post simple facts about what today's Democrats do, because they're ugly facts. We have to support Democrats by not posting facts, so that they can beat the even-awfuler Republicavns.

It's nuts.

[Dragonfli]

16. It is nuts, I think they either no longer want actual Democrats (paleo if you will) or think we are

growing less intelligent with age.

I post from third way, because the same facts posted from another INNOCENT source, would likely get me banned by the scooby gang and their "bad source" red herring they like to use to lobby for granite.

[Thinkingabout]

9. Is Congress willing to give up their luxury medical coverage?

Are the rich willing to pay a fair share of taxes including capital gains. Are the corporations willing to give up their corporate welfare. Is Congress willing to give up their pensions. We need a national health care, every one gets covered and the money going to insurance CEO's and executives can go for paying for health care.

[MannyGoldstein]

10. The problem: what to do when both parties are fighting hard to slash 'em?

Very, very frustrating.

[Dragonfli]

11. I take it Manny that you have seen the Democratic plans to cut them then? I have as well

http://www.thirdway.org/publications/363

We are supposed to support this shite?

[MannyGoldstein]

17. Sleazy, prevaricating swine.

But they're winning. We have to stop them.

Thanks for sharing that.

[TBF]

25. Disgusting ...

but exactly what I would expect from a crew funded by corporate donors ... http://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php?title=Third_Way_Foundation

Same old, same old

[Dragonfli]

36. If you keep posting that link they will have to change nom de plume's again, remember when

It became common knowledge that the DLC was a Koch product?

Koch Industries gave funding to the DLC and served on its Executive Council

http://www.correntewire.com/why_its_feature_not_bug_koch_family_funds_dlc

They had to pretend to stop existing and began resorted to hanging out only at PPI and Third Way.
Posting that information as you have may result in the marketing Dept. having to come up with a new nuts to bolts RW policy "Democratic lobbying group" to replace "Third Way".
That's hard work man.
Just thinking up the new name will cost some cash.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

43. The Koch's bother's father was, of course, one of the founders of the right-wing John Birch Society.

They and their money sure get around.

[HiPointDem]

47. both parties are funded mainly by corporate & finance donors, though. third way isn't unique.

[TBF]

48. Yup, it's good to point that out -

"third way" isn't any different from the first two. Of course if we're looking for political parties to get us out of the mess we're in we could be waiting awhile.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

35. In short, "Our plan makes roughly two dollars in BENEFIT REDUCTIONS for every one dollar in

revenue increases, and achieves solvency while enhancing economic growth."

[Dragonfli]

37. They appear to like that idea yes, I imagine it will give their confidence fairy a boner as well.

Love your sig line by the way.

[RC]

29. Both parties?

We still have two parties?

[Dragonfli]

30. Good point, but we do appear to have two different marketing campaigns, do you like Coke or Pepsi?

[Rosa Luxemburg]

14. Why should we?

So a company can take over?

[aint_no_life_nowhere]

15. The Repukes are deathly afraid of seniors

Last year during the budget debate and there was talk about privatizing or cutting social security I called the office of my congressman who happens to be a Repuke deluxe (Rohrabacher) to object to any proposals in that direction. I got a quick call back from a senior staffer in Washington assuring me the Republicans would not cut it, followed by a personal letter to me with further assurances from the Shitter himself.

[Dragonfli]

18. If only our own party were deathly afraid of seniors.

The closest thing I have seen from them that would give a hint of the appearance of fear is the weasel way they like to say "no cuts will affect CURRENT recipients", a nice way of saying support us and throw your kids under the bus for cuts, pathetic actually.

[kenny blankenship]

19. Ask again after Obama gives away the store.

He had to do something! Obama had to cut a deal with Republicans to show that Democrats are for fiscal responsibility too - even if it contracts the economy and kills off some old people here and there. You had your chance. If you didn't want him to do this, you should have run your "progressive" candidate against him in the primaries!

[Dragonfli]

21. prescient analysis /nt

[Cant trust em]

20. Depends on what we get. nt

[Dragonfli]

22. What would be worth it? Also, how much do we get for each impoverished and/or dead senior?

I just want to know the price placed on a human life, especially since what is expected that they wish to slash is simply what a life-time of insurance payments have already purchased.

I am very curious in fact.

[mmonk]

23. It doesn't matter if we are willing. The ruling class makes those decisions. We don't have a say.

[patrice]

26. No! & Not just for seniors, but to protect Social Security & Expand Medicare for all future

generations of Americans.

This IS our purpose, unkachuck, nothing less!

[midnight]

27. Nope.... No compromise on programs that prevent poverty and promote health....

[limpyhobbler]

31. Nice to see there are a few things we all agree on.

Too bad our opinion counts for almost nothing.

[AnotherMcIntosh]

32. If I want to please some who hold themselves out as more-Democratic-than-thou, yes, I would be

willing to compromise.

I would even be willing to cheer on another wage-lowering, anti-union, let's-ship-more-jobs-to-foreign-countries "free-trade" agreement. One is in the works.

And I would be willing to cheer on another "temporary" extension of the tax-cuts for the super-rich as a so-called compromise.

Support for endless wars? Yes, you could count of my support there as well.

How about assaulting protestors? Yes, you could also count of my support for that as well.

If.

[MrSlayer]

33. I'm open to compromising toward improving/expanding them.

Threaten to hold up defense funding unless we get it. Or threaten truly draconian regulations on Wall Street. Take hostages, play their game.

The real problem is the leaders of "our" party are all too willing to go the other way. Their goals are not aligned with ours.

[tosh]

34. As long as the Wall Street criminals walk free

and have made no reparations for their rape and pillage,

HELL NO.

[Lugnut]

38. Absolutely not!

Eliminate the cap on taxable wages and open up Medicare to anybody who wants it. Problem solved!

[TBF]

49. Excellent post. nt

[harun]

39. I'd compromise by expanding each program 25% instead of 26%

[awoke_in_2003]

40. No...

and democrats never should

[hobbit709]

41. Not only No but HELL NO!

[Jamaal510]

42. We have been compromising on cuts to safety net programs for too long.

In the meantime, the "job creators" continue to have their tax breaks while failing to create American jobs. It's only fair that the tables get turned on them and we maintain our safety net programs, while the rich get taxed higher since they can easily afford to pay extra. The working class has suffered long enough. It's time for the rich to feel the heat now and get us out of our debt crisis.

[DLevine]

44. Absoulutely not. n/t

[eridani]

45. So where is FUCK NO!!!!!! n/t