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Recently, I've heard a few voices that continue to say there is no health benefit to vaping vs. smoking emphysema sticks.
That it is far more irresponsible than inquiring who benefits from e-cigs being outlawed, and who benefits from "Holy Shit, I can breathe and run again" while using them as a cessation aid.
I find it difficult to believe that everybody that quit wanted a lifetime of vaping instead, but so what if they did?
Please discuss this idea that quitting via vaping is harmful. Discuss it with family members that vaping is the obvious smoking's effects on friends, family, neighbors and coworkers that don't hear you hack, can join them to work out, and God forbid, aren't supporting an industry that told us lies while getting us hooked on a device that is little better than slow suicide.
You are playing right into the hands of the tobacco and smoking industry that you see as so vile.
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Jennylynn
(696 posts)I wasn't planning on continuing to use the product for forever but it's been 6 years now, lol.
Just great flavors! And yes! I can breathe and run again! 
The lung expansion I have now is amazing. I had no idea the lungs could fill so deeply and expand so far. I'm very happy.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I can't imagine criticizing people for unchaining themselves from this horrifying addiction.
Warpy
(111,222 posts)who look down their long, blue noses at anyone slowly tapering off nicotine using a "crutch" like vaping.
You're supposed to wring as much misery out of quitting as possible.
The best thing for anyone considering a switch in the desire to quit is to tune out the idiots, get a high quality unit and decent juice, and have at it.
Anything is better than sucking concentrated smoke into your lungs, even if you don't manage to taper down to off nicotine.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)just railing at it
That said, I have seen you around much Warpy. Hope all is well, and glad to see you!
"Anything is better than sucking concentrated smoke into your lungs, even if you don't manage to taper down to off nicotine.'
^^^^^^^^^^this^^^^^^^^^^^
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)two years now. After 40+ years. Just bought my first bottle of nicotine free liquid. My favorite flavor of liquid right now is Lemon Ice.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)"You shouldn't vape even if it helps you quit an addiction that is a crusher of life quality, ability to exercise because hey, those dudes in the vaping videos are weird".
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)they actually have competitions to see who can make the biggest clouds. I don't don't vape to see how big a cloud I can make. Since I've recently gone off nicotine all together- it's now more or less, my pacifier.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I don't get how the "make a big cloud" thing is even done.
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)It's a guy thing I guess
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Because people will die at an 80%
I'dont.
Jennylynn
(696 posts)notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)Jennylynn
(696 posts)On edit: The coffee flavors are a bit harsh. If it is, try a Mocha flavor in replacement.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/smoking-facts/e-cigarettes-and-lung-health.html
On May 5, the Food and Drug Administration (FDA) announced it will be extending its authority to include e-cigarettes and other tobacco products. Starting in August 2016, FDA will begin to apply and enforce key provisions of the Family Smoking Prevention and Tobacco Control Act as it relates to the sales, marketing and manufacturing of e-cigarettes.
The American Lung Association had long called for FDA to bring e-cigarettes and other unregulated tobacco products under its authority. This action was especially important given the rapid rise in youth use of e-cigarettes in the U.S. over the past several years.
~ snip ~
Nicotine is an addictive substance, and almost all e-cigarettes contain nicotine. Even some products that claim not to have any nicotine in them may still contain it. For instance, initial FDA lab tests conducted in 2009 found that cartridges labeled as nicotine-free had traceable levels of nicotine. A 2014 study found little consistency in the amount of nicotine delivered by e-cigarettes of the same brand and strength.1 Similarly, another 2014 study found that the amount of nicotine in e-liquid refills is often substantially different from the amount listed on the package.2 Experienced users learn how to use e-cigarettes in a way that increases their exposure to nicotine. Newer e-cigarette devices, especially "tank" styles, with higher voltage also deliver a greater concentration of nicotine. This matters because the more nicotine used, the greater the potential for addiction.
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We don't presently know what is in e-cigarettes. However, in initial lab tests conducted in 2009 the FDA found detectable levels of toxic cancer-causing chemicals, including an ingredient used in anti-freeze, in two leading brands of e-cigarettes and 18 various cartridges. A review of studies found that levels of toxins in e-cigarette aerosol varied considerably within and between brands. A 2014 study found that aerosol from e-cigarettes with a higher voltage level contains more formaldehyde, another carcinogen with the potential to cause cancer. The findings are alarming, and underscores why the American Lung Association called so urgently for FDA oversight of these products.
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)knowing I couldn't do it prior to quitting.
Ass sitting sedentary lives is the worst health problem we have - not people trying to get the HELL off of smoking.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)But e-cigs are not a magic "quit smoking" tool. And while perhaps marginally safer than regular combusted tobacco, they have their own issues. They need to be regulated. People need access to information of the health risks to make informed decisions. And they definitely should NOT be sold or marketed to high school kids (who, for the most part, are presumably not already smokers).
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E-Cigarettes: What Vaping Does to Your Body
http://www.livescience.com/54754-what-e-cigarettes-do-in-your-body.html
By Cari Nierenberg, Live Science Contributor | May 16, 2016 01:15pm ET
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What's known about e-cigs
"There is no question that a puff on an e-cigarette is less dangerous than a puff on a conventional cigarette," said Stanton Glantz, a professor of medicine and the director of the Center for Tobacco Control Research and Education at the University of California, San Francisco.
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However, this doesn't mean the devices always represent a safer step down from cigarettes. In fact, one of the most dangerous things about e-cigarettes is that they may keep people smoking conventional cigarettes longer, rather than encourage them to attempt to quit, he said. Although estimates vary, anywhere from 70 to 90 percent of e-cigarette users are "dual users," meaning they continue to smoke regular cigarettes after they begin vaping, Glantz said.
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What's more, nicotine is poisonous in its concentrated, e-liquid form, and there have been an increasing number of cases of infants and young children accidentally ingesting it, Siegel said.
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Propylene glycol, a chemical found in e-liquids, can irritate the eyes and airways, Siegel said. Early studies have also revealed that when propylene glycol or glycerin are heated and vaporized, they can degrade into formaldehyde and acetaldehyde, he said. Both of these chemicals are considered carcinogens, although it's not yet clear how repeated exposure to them may cause cancer, he said.
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)compared to a pack a day Marlboro habit.
Tell you what, I'd be willing to die 70 years from now because I vaped, took care of myself, and exercised.
e-cigs were the magic quit smoking tool. YMMV
notadmblnd
(23,720 posts)at the smoke shop I purchase it from. I determine how much nicotine I use. I have been able to slowly wean myself off nicotine in this manner.
Yes, the e-cigs that are pre manufactured, that resemble a real cigarette- I can believe are bad and do not contribute to smoking cessation because the nicotine is at a preset level that is determined by the manufacturer. You have to keep in mind that their goal is to keep you hooked on nicotine one way or another. So no, I don't advise using these devices as an aid in stopping smoking.
However I find the more popular method of vaping, which is using a tank, a battery, and liquid that allows one to control nicotine levels very effective in kicking the habit.
And I want to say one more thing. People have been using vaporizers and breathing the fumes for years now. When has anyone worried about Vics Vapo Rub in a vaporizer? That's basically what an e-cig is.
ingredients in the liquid I use
Flavors
Mister-E-Liquid flavorings are sourced in the USA and contain natural and artificial flavorings. We try to provide liquids without artificial coloring. This is why most of our liquids are clear and bright - they contain no color enhancement.
beevul
(12,194 posts)Since they're regulating these far less harmful devices far far more than cigs.
Can you explain why they're doing that?
Whatever the motivation, doing so is NOTHING but a gift to big tobacco, and theres just no spinning that away as something altruistic.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Yes it is, and you could see it from Pluto.
Socal31
(2,484 posts)1. It is less harmful than inhaling the by-product of cumbusting tobacco leaves.
2. The actual long term effects are unknown, mainly due to the fact that the widespread use is in its infancy. (Still less harmful than tobacco smoke based off of short term effects and what we know about the mechanisms by which smoke damages the human body)
3. Anyone who says "do you vaaaaape bro?" should be heavily fined.
Johnny2X2X
(19,001 posts)The evidence is coming in and vaping is bad for you. Is it worse than cigarettes? Probably not but we don't know for sure yet.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that destroying your lungs and airway.
I'd like to hear how my quality of life us lessened by being able to run, have a great cardiovascular system and and the awareness that I will:
[font size=3 color=maroon]It changed my life[/link] to get a health destroyer out of my life, and not destroying my life and being capable of lots of cardiovascular exercise.
I believe it has happened the same way it happened to me - people wanted to quit, went through the primordial evil zoo of everything that was claimed to help you not smoke anymore.
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)What part or parts are bad for you?
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)The only thing in that the article that was correct, was that nicotine is a toxin.
That does not effect me as I make my own e-juice WITHOUT nicotine.
The e-cigs that explode are cheap and made by the tobacco industry.
You really shouldn't make comments about something that you know shit about.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)crank up the voltage by taking off safety locks on certain batteries.
If you repeatedly operate electronic items egregiously outside of spec, well?
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)so I am not familiar with voltage cranking or safety locks.
It just pisses me off when something is created to help people get off cigarettes and nannies come screaming that it is unsafe when they don't know jack shit.
I smoked for 39 years. I thought I would died with a cigarette in my hand. I am now two years free of nicotine and I feel marvelous!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)and I offer a big, hearty fuck you to anyone that has the nerve to tell me that I didn't quit smoking.
I did gum, patches, and the only thing that allowed me to kick it was vaping.
I don't encourage anybody that has never smoked to start, vaping or otherwise. I just wish I could convince every smoker in the world to switch to vaping.
Pastiche423
(15,406 posts)I was sitting with two friends as they talked about these new type of cigarettes. I looked at what they were talking about and said that it din't look or feel like a cigarette. I din't have much hope that they would help me.
Six years later, I am the only one of the three that quit smoking. No more stink and no more discoloration. Yea!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)have never been smoker's themselves that wanted desperately to quit smoking.
I've done even the support groups, and I was about ready to be chained to the wall.
They do *NOT* get how ugly the addiction it can be.
Mariana
(14,854 posts)that smokers are quitting painlessly. Those people don't hate smoking, they hate smokers and want them to be miserable, even after they've quit.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I'm elated to be cigarette free.
RobinA
(9,886 posts)the vaping is bad for you. Yeah, fast on the heels of that long promised proof that marijuana is bad for us.
Still waiting...
scscholar
(2,902 posts)by one of those things would disagree with you. They're dangerous.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)Sub tanks with dodgy mods when people push it to the limit is indicative of over-customization with a handful of results, since 3 of them were trying to smoke pot in them.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)By Laura Geggel, Staff Writer | August 12, 2014 09:41am ET
Electronic cigarettes can cause deadly explosions if the wrong type of charger is used, according to recent news reports. This is just one of the unforeseen risks associated with smoking e-cigs, which is also sometimes called vaping.
A 62-year-old Englishman died Friday (Aug. 8) after an incompatible charging device led an e-cigarette to blow up, and cause the explosion of a nearby oxygen tube from an oxygen concentrator, the BBC reported. In July, another case of a person using an incorrect charging device for an e-cigarette led to a fire that ignited an air-horn canister and caused an explosion that destroyed part of a house, the BBC found.
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A Teen's E-Cig Exploded on His Face and the Photos Are Extremely Disturbing
By Rebecca Rose Jan 28, 2016
A 16-year-old in Canada suffered horrifying injuries after an e-cigarette exploded in his mouth.
Ty Greer's father Perry Greer said his son was smoking the e-cig when it blew apart, less than 2 inches from his mouth. "It lit my kid's face on fire and busted two teeth out," Greer told CBC. "It burned the back of his throat, burned his tongue very badly. If he wasn't wearing glasses, he possibly could have lost his eyes."
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Greer told Global News that his son is left with serious injuries including first-degree burns, broken teeth, and burned and blackened skin. He said his son "wanted to die" he was in such agony when he arrived at the hospital.
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The incident isn't an isolated one. On Saturday, a man in Germany lost several teeth when his vaping device exploded in his mouth. A 26-year-old man suffered severe burns when his e-cigarette battery exploded in his pocket. A 15-year-old boy lost six teeth when his e-cig exploded. Last year, a 23-year-old suffered severe injuries when his e-cig exploded in his mouth.
E-Cigarette Explodes in Man's Pocket
Published on Feb 24, 2016
beevul
(12,194 posts)One used the wrong charger, and the other used unprotected batteries inside an unprotected mech mod.
None make your case, as far as I can tell.
Smoking near O2 caused an explosion and they blame vaping? The cigarette the person would have been smoking if he weren't vaping would have done the same. Probably a lot sooner if he made a habit of smoking while on oxygen. Which plenty of people do.
Igel
(35,293 posts)Probably smoked a pack a day for 15 years.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)Already seen three videos this week of e-cigs catching fire.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)should just go back to slow suicide via cigarettes. using iPads, flying on planes no lithium explosions occur.
Because people are more likely to die in a plane crash or having their iPad's lithium ion battery explode than people destroying their lungs?
Major Nikon
(36,827 posts)In fact, it's an existing hazard with all batteries, especially those which are extremely compact. So to say this is a hazard of e-cigarettes is about as meaningful as saying any other portable electronic device is a hazard.
Bok_Tukalo
(4,322 posts)And I stopped using the vape pen and Patch about a month after my last cigarette. I haven't had one in 18 months.
Everyone is different but vaping, along with the Patch, is what helped me quit after smoking for almost 30 years. I recommend it as a method if you no longer want to be a smoker.
scscholar
(2,902 posts)So, so you still inhale that smoke, but from a dangerous electrical device? Then, you still smoke.
Bok_Tukalo
(4,322 posts)I stopped using both about a month after my last cigarette. I quit all nicotine. The vape pen helped me do that.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)and congenital heart disease, too, to cigarettes. If you could find a study by a reputable physician that isn't a lobbyist, I will get back to you.
Or, you know, you can count the hordes of people rejoicing that they aren't killing themselves, harming those around them with second-hand smoke and sit around looking at tobacco industry firms lobbyists.
braddy
(3,585 posts)People should only use quality, protected batteries, that are purchased from a source that you know only sells authentic brands, China battery counterfeiting is rampant and some retailers are indifferent to it, don't know how to tell the difference, or, are in on it.
FrodosPet
(5,169 posts)Does the government have any business regulating e-cigs for safety in ingredients, design, and manufacturing? Or should we adopt a libertarian Darwinian outlook: if people are not smart enough to understand that the cheap e-cigs are mini bombs, they deserve to get injured?
Stopping smoking is a wonderful thing. If I could be God for a day, I would make the tobacco plant disappear from the planet. If these things help that, and people understand the risks, they should be allowed to buy and use them. But they have the right to be educated to the risks before making that choice.
braddy
(3,585 posts)batteries.
For my flashlights I use Panasonic 18650 with a protection circuit on them, to date Fasttech sells authentic batteries, just don't buy anything with "fire" in the name, google for the best brands and sources.
I should add to get a quality charger, Xtar for instance makes single cell chargers that sell for about $11.00 or larger chargers, that are very high quality, with safety and protection built in, and the proper charging methods to nurse your quality batteries.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)the culprit has been mod that some idiots use to make a bigger cloud.
And that is not what this is about. It's about encouraging people to quit smoking, and it is as easy to do that now as it ever will be.
I didn't just quit smoking with e-cigs, I talked to a counselor :shudder: I gave up coffee to help diminish the association.
I still can't drink coffee, anymore, it's decaf unsweetened tea all the way.
Quit trying to make people that are looking to live long enough to be in error.
I'm thrilled for you that you never smoked, but unfortunately, I got sucked in. Now, thank all that is holy, I'm not smoking.
braddy
(3,585 posts)at the beach, where I preferred Winstons because I could feel them better in the wind and sometimes with a cold, I might smoke menthols.
When I left the house I liked a soft pack in each sock, and a hard pack in my shirt pocket.
Three packs wouldn't come close to lasting me in a night of heavy drinking.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)With e-cigs it is even easier than before, and you can kick the damn habit.
braddy
(3,585 posts)that I was a non-smoker.
was a non-smoker.
As a non-smoker I wasn't quitting, I wasn't longing for something, I wasn't trying to avoid something, and there was nothing to go back to if something terrible happened to me, for instance losing your job, or your girlfriend or wife leaving you, or your mother dying etc., the kind of thing that addicts feel justifies them indulging themselves in their old habit.
I didn't tell people I quit, if friends offered me a smoke then I just said no, or to a stranger, no thanks I don't smoke, I did not tell people that I "quit", or was trying to quit, or that I used to smoke, as a non smoker those responses would not be relevant for me.
It made all the difference.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)a non-smoker. I stuck to it - I have a sealed with packing tape box of smokes the date on them.
Make no mistake, I laid the groundword for it, quitting coffee, quitting alcohol, quitting even triggers from reading novels.
So if that is the excuse that no one can quit smoking, and can actually quit with e-cigs, without submitting themselves to both God and the Devil, I'm going to be all aboard with quitting however you have to, unless it involves doing harm.
braddy
(3,585 posts)how hard it was for him to quit smoking, I crumpled up my Marlboro pack, threw it in the ashtray, and told him 'I quit', it bugged the heck out of him and for weeks he kept asking me if I was having a hard time, and I would just laugh at him and say no, why?
That sure made it easier for me, it was fun.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)for snapping at you.
beevul
(12,194 posts)If that was ALL that was being done, you'd maybe have a point, but it isn't.
What IS being done will destroy the industry, and hand the ball right back to big tobacco, with big pharma right behind it to clean up any table scraps.
Do you support that?
killbotfactory
(13,566 posts)Response to Aerows (Original post)
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Aerows
(39,961 posts)is a hell of a hard habit to overcome.
underahedgerow
(1,232 posts)people are really enjoying vaping and I don't see the harm overall.
That it's a substitute for smoking is fantastic, and that lots of people do it as a social thing or for personal enjoyment is fine too. The vape doesn't have to have nicotine, btw.
The first thing people have to realize about quitting smoking is that most of that process is a marketing lie also.
It doesn't take 2 weeks for nicotine to leave your system. It takes 48 hours, less if you drink loads of water. You're quitting a psychological habit. Remove all the traces from your day, your life, your existence, and then you're done.
Those nicotine patches, gum, whatevers, utterly pointless and just something else to keep you addicted to something so the giant corps can cash in and profit.
It's all a scam. At least the vaping is relatively cheap. Never mind those explody thingies in the pockets.
Aerows
(39,961 posts)I dare you to ask an ex-smoker how long it took to even quit having the dreams that they were smoking and were horrified that they did in the dream.
It's not a scam. It works, and thank all that is holy that you never picked up a cigarette in the first place.
beevul
(12,194 posts)In part because they can't, but that part doesn't matter because in my experience, even if they could, they don't want to.
On edit: Quitting, if you're a long term smoker, leaves a big giant hole, that almost nothing can fill, but vaping fills in a precisely perfect way.
That's what they don't/wont understand.
underahedgerow
(1,232 posts)myth is that it takes such a long time. That's all bs.
Here's the thing; the addiction to smoking is a choice. Once you've rid your body of its physical interest in nicotine, what's left exactly? Well, the habit. The psychological comfort, allegedly. But it's like being comforted by having someone smack you up side the head with a hammer, isn't it? That's a choice. There is nothing pleasurable about cigarettes, so why lose yourself in the alleged addiction?
So what if you have slip dreams? And? It's a dream. A manifestation of your sub-conscience reflecting that which you fear, i.e. allowing yourself to become addicted to butts again. So, you've had a dream, right? Well geez, then stop thinking about that dream, that thing that didn't exist, and get on with your day. No one else controls your thoughts but you. Fear is a thing of the imagination, a psychological construct that you can control every bit as much as you wish to.
And I've smoked on and off since I was literally an infant. Both parents smoked several packs a day in a cold climate house with no open windows. I stole my first cig at age 8, bought my first pack at age 12. I usually smoke for 5 years on, 8-10 years off; it takes a massive trauma for me to pick up the butts again. And it's usually a pack and a half a day for the duration. I LOVE smoking as much as I absolutely hate it. Think about the many thousands of bucks I've spent on literally committing suicide by cigarette. That disgusts me more than any slip dream could!
It's a choice. You won't die without them, but you sure up your chances of dying with them, right?
Today I make the choice not to smoke. So I'll stop thinking about it now, how's that?
Cheers!
Aerows
(39,961 posts)that I quit a year and a half ago using e-cigarettes (and often sparingly)
It was astounding that so many people also had experiences with e-cigarettes as a cessation tool that helped them kick it, too. I'm just stating what helped me and others get off of the emphysema sticks.
Nothing more, nothing less.
RobinA
(9,886 posts)hung up on how long it takes nicotine to leave the system? Your addiction isn't over when the nicotine is gone. At that point you are left with a whole lot of nicotine receptors screaming for nicotine to make them whole again.
Eric J in MN
(35,619 posts)...isn't the same as addiction-to-nicotine leaving your system.
JNelson6563
(28,151 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)vaping equipment to everyone in the US that smokes, I would.
Then they would have an opportunity to just be able to shuck off a grave addiction and harbinger of ugly, unhealthy wealth flowing to big tobacco dollars.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)E-cigarettes '95% less harmful than smoking' says report
"E-cigarettes are 95% less harmful than tobacco and could be prescribed on the NHS in future to help smokers quit," BBC News reports.
This is the main finding of an evidence review (PDF, 485kb) carried out by Public Health England, a government agency that aims to protect and improve the nation's health and wellbeing, and reduce health inequalities."
http://www.nhs.uk/news/2015/08August/Pages/E-cigarettes-95-per-cent-less-harmful-than-smoking-says-report.aspx
Much more at the link.
Using e-cigarettes to stop smoking
"In the year up to April 2015, two out of three people who used e-cigarettes in combination with the NHS stop smoking service quit smoking successfully.
Different things work for different people and, particularly if you’ve already tried other methods of quitting smoking without success, you might want to give e-cigarettes a go."
http://www.nhs.uk/Livewell/smoking/Pages/e-cigarettes.aspx
Johnny2X2X
(19,001 posts)One if my best friends owns several E Cigarette stores. He makes this stuff in his basement in a totally uncontrolled environment and he gets his ingredients on the Internet from China. Not only does he supply his own stores, but about 20 other stores in the area.
You're inhaling God only knows what into your lungs. It's simply not a regulated industry.
Doubtful it's anywhere near as bad as cigarettes are for you, but it's very likely users are going to suffer some pretty horrific consequences from Long term use.
Bluenorthwest
(45,319 posts)I never do business of any sort without knowing who I'm dealing with. Your best friend would never have my custom.
RobinA
(9,886 posts)I agree that attacks on vaping are irresponsible. I smoked for 35 years. I'm just a person who was born a smoker, although I didn't actually smoke until I was 18. Didn't even really want to quit, but I listened to my father hacking up a lung all the time and decided I didn't want to get to that point. So I tried vaping, slowly cutting back on the nicotine. It was utterly painless. Stopped cigs immediately, but worried that if vaping weren't an option I would be right back to cigs. About 4 months in I realized I could exist without cigarettes even if vaping disappeared. Continued to cut back on nicotine to pretty much nothing. I go for days without vaping. Have weathered serious upsets without even thinking about cigarettes. I smoke a cig about twice a year on a special occasion maybe. Sometimes I think I will have a cigarette at some life moment and then forget all about it when the time comes. And I was NOT highly motivated to quit. I still enjoy the few cigs I have, but I can take them or leave them. I should also add that I have had cigs in my possession the entire time. I didn't want to develop this thought that if cigs are around I have to smoke them and it worked.
I also know that if I do relapse I can go right back to quitting again. I big part of the vape advantage is you don't have to white knuckle it thinking I CAN NEVER HAVE NICOTINE AGAIN IN MY LIFE EVER. Surprisingly, that has made it much easier to give it up.
I think it's a shame that people who could benefit from are being scared away by nay-sayers who have an agenda that does not necessarily include helping people stop smoking.
hobbit709
(41,694 posts)I quit smoking cigarettes 40 years ago.
JHB
(37,157 posts)...which would be quite the sensation.
bighart
(1,565 posts)from tobacco part of the equation?
I can not find a valid reason to regulate vaping to the point of killing it other than sanctimony or protection of the tax base.
Igel
(35,293 posts)However, that's from the perspective of a current smoker. It's all about them. The universe consists of the world of smokers who need help and have a right to the help they want. Or might want.
Meanwhile, I see a generation of kids who don't question as strongly starting to vape as they would starting to smoke. They have an easier time vaping in school, even in class. It's cool to vape, like it was cool to smoke. And it's harder to catch: That thick scent in the boy's room? Gee, there are lotions that produce the same effect. It's easier to put an e-cig in your pocket if the door opens than it is to put a lit cigarette in your pocket. A kid puts his head down on his desk and takes a few puffs to feed his need and by the time the teacher walks into the cloud of noxious aroma it's away. No highly-sensitive smoke detectors go off. Kids two feet away might not even notice.
And while a lot of people argue about the evils of nicotine addiction and how once you're addicted it's so hard to stop so vaping is a good substitute, what many of these kids are doing is substituting no nicotine addiction for that oh-so-difficult-to-end nicotine addiction.
If it's really that bad, why enable a new generation of addicts?
Oh. I forgot. It's not about them. They're not visible or in sight, and it's all "what you see is all there is" thinking.
