So, you can be on the terror watch list, but still legally buy weapons!?!?!?!?

[Siwsan]

Just heard on CNN.

Yet, I've never even had a traffic ticket, but I have to let people x-ray me, before I can get on a plane!?!?

WTF!?!?!?!

[Gomez163]

1. The NRA doesn't want to lose them as customers.

[Joe the Revelator]

2. It's insanity.

[ileus]

3. Who is on the list and how did they get there...Tell us that first.

[Brickbat]

10. ^^

[Siwsan]

14. Anyone being on the list isn't automatically prevented from purchasing guns

I would think that would be an automatic red flag.

[Nuclear Unicorn]

24. If they're such a threat why not just imprison or deport them?

[Eleanors38]

15. I wonder if the OP can also tell us how you get off the "list."

[jpak]

28. Join the NRA

yup

[Eleanors38]

36. Blup. (Phew!). Your's for the 5th Amendment...

[jwirr]

4. I also read that he was allowed to carry because he had been

approved as a security guard. We are going to have to wait until all of this comes out before we know what really happened.

[Kang Colby]

8. False.

Florida bans guns in clubs/bars....even for those with permits.

[Kang Colby]

5. It's called due process.

Terror watch lists are a product of the Bush/Cheney era. The ACLU does not support using terror watch lists to deny rights, including gun purchases.

[uponit7771]

6. AMEN!! If you're on the FBI radar then fuck that... you can't buy a gun

[Eleanors38]

37. As an old lefty activist, my heart is warmed by your faith in the FBI's "process."

How many other Amendments you wanna junk?

[uponit7771]

39. Refine the process, bout as easy as it gets

[Southerncomfy]

7. Really ridiculous.

[onehandle]

9. Buying a weapon should automatically put you on the terror watch list. nt

[EX500rider]

13. You don't think 80 million American's being on the list might dilute it's purpose a bit? lol

[Eleanors38]

38. Ah, he/she is magnanimous to a falt.

[Lint Head]

11. The NRA can go to hell!!!

Wayne Le Piss Ant is a piece os feces who needs to be flushed down Satan's toilet.

[Duckhunter935]

12. you do not care about due process

how are people put on and how can you dispute being on it?

[Siwsan]

18. What???

Seriously.

[Amishman]

21. the point he is trying to make is that it is a secret list with no appeal process

There needs to be proper due process and accountability added, especially if we expand the use of these lists.

[Eleanors38]

42. Yeah, but when it involves guns, "liberals" begin to sound less so.

[KeepItReal]

16. Yes. From the President himself:

[Nye Bevan]

17. I'm as big a supporter of gun control as anybody here,

but I hate the concept of someone in authority being able to take someone's rights away by putting them on a "watch list" with no due process.

[Siwsan]

20. If you are on the list, I would think it would be a stronger investigative process

I don't care if your name is Omar, Peter, Paula or Seamus.

[X_Digger]

23. How about the late Sen. Ted Kennedy? (The name 'T. Kennedy' was a 'watched' name for a time.)

That's one of the problems with such 'lists'. They often don't identify actual people, just names. And of course, there' no due process before removal of one's rights.

Question for you though, should Omar, Peter, Paula, or Seamus be able to vote? I mean, if they're on a list somewhere.. Should they be allowed to go to mosque? If you're okay with removing one right because of a list, why not others?

[uponit7771]

40. then refine the list the point still stands

[X_Digger]

46. I'll pose the same question I asked Siwsan..

.. what other constitutionally protected rights should be removed without due process in a secret addition to some list? Free speech? Free exercise of religion? Voting?

How about the right to be free of cruel and unusual punishment and a fair trial? I mean, they're on a watch list, so we should be able to water board them without any kind of conviction, right?

If they're on a terrorist watch list, should we keep them from associating with other known terrorist suspects?

Or, you know, we can actually follow the constitution, and the fourteenth amendment.

[JI7]

19. because it's a watch list

[Crunchy Frog]

22. But it's all about freeeeeeedumb!

There's no constitutional right to fly on an airplane, and a few dozen deaths here and there is a relatively minor price to pay...

[Eleanors38]

43. Or to drive. Do you support "lists" to prevent gun purchases, which is a right?

[NutmegYankee]

25. There are broad Constitutional (5th Amendment) problems with watch lists.

The main issue for the FBI is the list is secret, and a denial of a purchase would tip people off that they are on the list.

Beyond that, because the list is secret, people cannot challenge being wrongfully put on that list, which makes it illegal to use it to deny rights per the 5th Amendment. An individual would end up in a status like Josef K in Kafka's The Trial.

[Lance Bass esquire]

26. Newsweek story on this

http://www.newsweek.com/gun-control-and-no-fly-list-all-you-need-know-403821

[deathrind]

27. Yes...

You can't take away a persons right to own a well designed tool of death just because you think they are a terrorist...cmon now..

It makes perfect sense...right?

[Siwsan]

32. I give up and am going to make another strong Gin and Tonic

Sometimes life is just too exhausting.

[MaggieD]

29. NRA (nt)

[JonLeibowitz]

30. TSA for the most part uses millimeter waves, not x-rays.

[Siwsan]

31. That is parsing and does not negate my point

I am sick to the depth of my soul of nit picking.

[JonLeibowitz]

33. Well one is harmful to the body.

And it isn't as if you have addressed the due process concerns anyway.

[Eleanors38]

44. There are practical problems with a watch list as Nutmeg in #25 notes.

No better way than to assess your standing with the intelligence community than to go through the NICS! Cheap, easy, fast.

[Vinca]

34. I've heard Republicans argue that people on the "no fly" list should be able to buy guns

because sometimes there are mistakes on the list. I guess the choice is inconvenience a person inadvertently put on the list or make sure bad guys are able to buy guns. The GOP, for the most part, sides with the bad guy.

[NutmegYankee]

35. Most Democrats argue the same thing, particually when Dubya introduced these lists.

Denying rights due to secret lists is not Democratic at all. It's flat out Unconstitutional. It's a fair argument that the no-Fly provision alone is a denial of the right to travel.

[Raine1967]

41. Yes.

and Congress made sure to qualify it 6 months ago.

[jmg257]

45. Why the fuck are you on a list to ban u from buying guns but stil

Free to be out in the public??