kid won't play ball "right" with dad, so dad beats him with a belt (video)

[cali]

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Man filmed whipping his son during game of catch arrested for child abuse

By Nina Golgowski

PUBLISHED: 08:53 EST, 9 June 2012 | UPDATED: 09:21 EST, 9 June 2012

A California water agency director has been arrested on suspicion of felony child abuse after a neighbour shot and posted an online video of him whipping his stepson with a belt while playing catch.

Imperial Irrigation District Director Anthony Sanchez, 34, was arrested Friday on $100,000 bond according to Sheriff's Lt. Scott Sheppeard after caught hitting the child with a belt in one hand and a baseball glove in the other.

In the video uploaded to YouTube, the stepfather's seen repeatedly beating the boy, even knocking him to the ground, before stepping back to wait for him to toss the ball back which he drops.


After a long stall by the boy who stands frozen in place, the man returns to him - a glove on one hand and a belt in the other - hitting him once again.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-2156819/Anthony-Sanchez-filmed-whipping-son-game-catch-arrested-child-abuse.html#ixzz1xKBbgBsy

bless the neighbor who stepped in.

[Life Long Dem]

1. Someone should beat his ass

But use a two by four.

[Liberal_in_LA]

68. +1 and the mother for letting stepfather brutalize her kid

[boppers]

74. Speaking as somebody who was beat with a two by four by his parents...

Your solution is not going to stop the cycle.

[TalkingDog]

102. There is a difference between a natural impulse to punish a wrong do-er

and helping people recover from being done wrong to.

If you can't see the difference, then perhaps more therapy is in order.

(no I'm not being snarky)

[Life Long Dem]

127. Someone should beat his ass with a two by four.

Some people don't listen to anything else. Especially bullies.

[liberal N proud]

2. That will teach the kid...

That his father is an ass!


Some people should not be allowed to be parents.

[lunatica]

9. He's the boy's stepfather

He's a fucking bully and the man probably beats the mother too.

My heart goes out to the kid. I looked at the photos but I simply can't stomach looking at the video.

[liberal N proud]

15. You are right about the bully part and likely correct about the mother too.

[Rose Siding]

40. She's taken the kids to Alabama

CNN says it was a long planned vaca and he just didn't go but maybe she left him.

[KansDem]

93. "He's the boy's stepfather"

The video title is misleading. There's a difference between a "dad" and a "stepfather."

I lost my dad when I was 22 months old. My mom remarried to a man who became my "stepfather" two years later. I never knew my dad, but have grown up hearing stories about him. He was a great guy!

My stepfather was a disciplinarian and used the back of his hand to punish. Once, my brother and I visited a neighbor after being told not to. Our mom and stepfather were running errands and we scooted off down a few houses to visit a friend. We got back before they did, but were ratted out by our sister. My stepfather cut a switch off a tree in the back yard and proceeded to "teach us" about the need to mind him. We were wearing shorts that afternoon and the lashing took place on the patio. We screamed and cried and went to bed with welts on the backs of our legs.

He left our mom with the intention to divorce. Why? My brother was seriously ill and he didn't want to be responsible for his medical costs (I found this out much later in life). Well, my brother died and guess who came around wanting to reconcile?

Yeah, there are cases when natural parents make lousy parents and step-parents make good ones, but mine wasn't the case.

Whenever someone referred to my stepfather as my "dad," I quickly corrected them by reminding him he was not my "dad," but my "stepfather." There's a difference...

[bluestateguy]

3. Good Lord

My old man was pretty tough on me when he was teaching me how to play baseball, but he never laid a hand on me when I didn't perform.

[CurtEastPoint]

4. And good for the neighbor for opening the window and telling him to stop.

Asshole. The abuser, not the neighbor.

[Tierra_y_Libertad]

5. One of my psych profs answered the question put to him by a mother.

"How often should I spank my child?"

Answer:

"Just until YOU feel better."

It took her awhile to finally get what he was saying.

No doubt the "daddy" in this video believed he was teaching his kid a "valuable lesson" or it was "for his own good".

[Blue_Tires]

6. I don't get it...

Yeah, turn a copy of the vid in to the police, but WHY upload it to youtube?? Where is this obsession that everything someone records has to be shown to the world? Whatever happened to a little discretion and good sense?

[Politicalboi]

10. Hopefully

This SOB will lose his job. His employer gets to see him in action rather than him lying about his arrest. Sometimes things like this are good for many people to see. He has NO defense.

[patrice]

13. Most people don't want him to lose his job. Lots of us DO want to create discussion that WILL

increase awareness and possibly even help both dads and boys and to let the children know that they ARE NOT ALONE.

[Politicalboi]

16. Losing a job is a bad thing

But so is beating a kid. The video doesn't lie like he would if there wasn't any video. If I were his boss I would fire him. Too many good people looking for good jobs to let this monster keep his. I hope the boy gets the help he needs. Let the step father lose everything. This kid is scarred for life. A job loss does not compare.

[patrice]

18. Well spoken. I understand, but I have a bias toward trying to get people to grow into something

better.

You are right, though, the boy should be the FIRST priority, even over getting people to grow beyond their dysfunctions.

I know too many social workers to say something about how I wish there were somekind of effective system of conditional regard that recognizes needs in the family system, helps people design their own appropriate systemic interventions, sets benchmarks, monitors for authentic progress and then delivers appropriate consequences for empirical outcomes. Sigh.

[Pisces]

31. I'm sure if he lost his job the boy would pay for it. The guy is dumb, in need of parenting classes,

but he should not lose his job unless he is no good at the job. What is with the lynch mob mentality on this board.

[Rose Siding]

41. Felony child abuse gets 6 years in CA

Beyond dumb, imo.

If he assaulted another adult would that be worse? His job is an elected position. There may be standards of behavior associated with that but either way, just seeing the tape sure looks he's a criminal.

[Pisces]

63. I was spanked with a belt, not like that boy, but I sure would not want my father or mother put away

for that. My life would have been destroyed if they had gone to prison for 6 yrs. I don't advocate for the man, but maybe some
forced parenting classes before we crucify him, strip him of his name and job.

[Tsiyu]

43. Assault is not "dumb."

in this case, it amounts to terrorism toward a child.

If a human will terrorize a child, they cannot be trusted around other humans.

But way to put the dollah ahead of the well-being of others, Pisces!

[Pisces]

62. The "dollar" or a families livelihood?? Like food and shelter??? I certainly am not advocating for

man. I just don't see how destroying his livelihood would help the boy??? I guess you are just so much smarter.

[Tsiyu]

67. We destroy people's livelihoods every day for less.

He is a danger to others. Should we let every dangerous person work around others just so they can make a living?

There are a lot of families who need a livelihood, and good fathers and mothers who should have a chance at the man's job. His family needs to learn to survive without him anyway.

The boy would be better off growing up in a poor, loving home than having every advantage but living with a monster.

[HiPointDem]

88. "We destroy people's livelihoods every day for less." = dumb reasoning.

[Tsiyu]

91. Not rationale, just the frickin' truth

reasoning? A grown man is physically assaulting and mentally terrorizing a 10 year old boy.

That grown man does not need to be around others until he learns how to control himself.


Abusers escalate their behavior based on what society allows.

This violent thug no doubt terrorized the boy well before this video was made, but behind closed doors. Then Sanchez escalated the behavior because he got such a rush from what he was doing. So he took it outside.

And society said - and must keep saying - your behavior was criminal, cruel and cannot be tolerated.

The asshole resigned anyway. So you can all shed hearty tears for him losing his job. (What has the child already lost from being handled this way? Can't put a dollah figuer on it so, dayum, doesn't matter....)

Even Sanchez knows he isn't fit to be around others until he deals with his violence and pays for his crimes.

[lunatica]

12. Watching a kid get beaten shows the facts in the case

The stepfather would say he didn't do it and lie and no one would believe what the video shows. Now the stepfather has to face what his neighbors, friends, co-workers and priest know about him.

Why keep this shit discrete? That would just cover it all up and let the kid live at the mercy of his stepfather. And I'm willing to lay bets he probably beats the kid's mother too. If that's the case should everyone be discrete too?

[MightyOkie]

29. Yep.

Shame the shit out if these wastes of gametes.

[Blue_Tires]

34. i guess i was thinking more about

once it's online it's out there forever...and knowing how bullies and assholes are, i didn't want jokes to follow that kid through his teenage years...

[vaberella]

76. This might make him think twice in hitting the boy again.

This is if the mother doesn't leave his ass and posts bail for him. He could come home and try to do it again. I doubt that will fly though.

[lunatica]

99. I don't think he'll stop being a bully

This will make him feel like he's been victimized and that it's the boy's fault because he'll feel he was doing it for the boy's good. Bullies rationalize their behavior by blaming their victims. And unless someone steps in to tell the boy he did nothing wrong and to help him deal with his feelings the boy will blame himself for his stepfather being put in jail. You can pretty much count on it that this isn't the first time his stepfather beat him. If the man beat the kid where his screams could be heard by the neighbors you can bet on it that he beat the boy in the privacy of the home.

My concern is far more with the well being of the boy and his mother than it is with the bully. To hell with the bully, although on second thought he needs help too because chances are he was beaten as a kid too.

[Lars39]

14. Depending on the community, things like this can get swept under the rug

if the adult is someone with power and/or money. This guy was a water company executive. Good chance he fits into the power category.

[Dont call me Shirley]

25. Anthony deserved for the whole world to see his abusive cowardliness.

[HiPointDem]

89. +1

[snooper2]

112. Yeah, keep it hush hush, turn the other cheek...blah blah blah blah

Thanks Mary Jesus Poppins for applications like YouTube and cell phones with video recorders...

Assholes like this guy get their name and face smathered everywhere so their assholeness can be known.



Plus we get GREAT videos like this to be entertained by LOL

Asia Remy doesn't know what a public place is

[PotatoChip]

146. I was thinking the same thing.

The boy is a victim, as well as a minor; both important reasons to shield him from public view. Even though it is not the kid's fault, other bully type children who may know him could conceivably victimize him further. Call him 'sissy' or whatever. Childhood bullies don't need much of an excuse to be cruel. They just need a vulnerable target. And I bet this is not the first time the stepfather has attacked the boy. That kind of abuse can really damage a child's feelings of self worth and self esteem.

That said, I still applaud the neighbor for his intervention. Fortunately, it is hard to really pick up on the boy's identifying features with that particular video. Also, uploading it may have the effect putting enough public pressure on child protective authorities, so that this case will get the full attention it requires. The most important thing is that the stepfather is now being dealt with, and hopefully will never have access to the child again.

Poor kid.

[Politicalboi]

7. Glad that POS

Got caught. Now his wife should leave him, and take him for everything he's got. That is, if she didn't condone this behavior. She may be his victim too.

[patrice]

8. There are some people who have NO!!!. FUCKING. BUSINESS. BEING. PARENTS.

... at least not without some darned help, which many of them refuse.

[Marr]

11. Why don't ya come over here and pick on somebody my size?

What an asshole. He seemed to feel like he was caught with his pants down when the guy yelled at him, too.

[wildeyed]

17. That made me cry.

What the hell is wrong with people? Glad the neighbor stepped up.

[thelordofhell]

20. At around 44 seconds in the video you can hear the child scream, "Don't hit me!!"

That man is despicable

[rhett o rick]

21. The neighbor did right by getting the beating to stop by yelling at the dad. But he shouldnt

have asked the dad to try to beat him. Calling the police is the correct thing. By challenging the dad to fight, he was putting himself and loved ones in danger. Who knows what the dad might have tried once challenged.

[ZombieHorde]

52. Wise point in my opinion. However, I have a feeling the challanger wasn't thinking

as clearly as normal, due to emotional stress.

[rhett o rick]

107. I agree. I probably would have done the same. Also, it is hard to know when

to stop filming and intercede.

[CoffeeCat]

130. I was glad that he said those things...

...and I got the sense that the neighbor was saying those things specifically to benefit the boy. The
neighbor was demanding that he stop, and telling him how wrong his actions were. I think the neighbor
sensed that this boy needed to hear that this "man" was wrong and that the boy did not deserve this
behavior.

When the neighbor challenged the man, I felt as if the neighbor was attempting to emasculate and deflate
a bully in front of the victim--thereby disrupting and deflating the power the abuser had over the boy. That's
pretty powerful stuff. Abusers like that pick on children because they can. Because children really are
powerless against adult abusers. The victim just has to take it.

That neighbor stepped in and deflated the monster, and made him look like the coward and fool that he is.
I don't think the neighbor really wanted to fight the abuser. I think he just intuited that the boy needed
to see another adult put that abuser in his place and knock him down a few notches.

I applaud the whole thing--and everything that neighbor did, including the videotaping and posting to You Tube.

I would literally give my right arm for this to be the case in my abusive childhood.

[rhett o rick]

132. I understand. I just dont want the boy to think that violence is required.

Some times violence is required but it should never be for revenge purposes.

[WingDinger]

22. Thats just sick, I got beaten for bad Ping Pong learning.

[MrTwister]

23. Using threats of violence to stop violence is not a good thing.

I'm glad the neighbor stepped in, but he didn't have to curse at the man or imply he would kick his ass.

A simple, "what's going on?" over the fence would have sufficed, imho.

[JoePhilly]

26. I'm going to guess that watching that happen in real time might

cause one to step in using a more confrontational approach.

The father could have easily taken the kid back inside, kicked his ass, and then threatened him to not say a word.

Drawing the crazy man's aggression in a different direction may have prevented the step father from going farther.

[JNelson6563]

111. Yes, exactly right.

It's easy from the calm, objective, lofty perch of far removed from a situation to come up with the perfectly rational solution. Sadly, in the heat of the moment, we mere mortals often let emotion play into things.

A couple of years ago my brother came over, runs into the house and tells me to call the cops, there's a guy slapping a woman around just up the road. I'm all like "screw that, let's go!" We jump into my car and my bro's telling me how dangerous this can be, what if he has a gun? All manner of excuses. I came upon the situation, pulled over leaving the street between my car and the confrontation. Rolled down my window and yelled "HEY!" as loudly as I could.

To my surprise everything stopped. I really hadn't known what to expect and the silence was a bit awkward. I calmly asked "Do you need help?" and the woman said "Yes, as a matter of fact I do." She walked over, got in the back seat of my car and we drove away.

We drove around a bit, she couldn't talk, just cried. Turns out the cops had gotten a bunch of calls from passing motorists so as I passed back through neighborhood there were now cop cars there. With her permission I took the unfortunate lady to them and they promised they would take good care of her and give her a ride to where-ever she wanted to go. They'd even had the good sense to send a female officer to the scene and that is who took the poor lady right under her wing, as it were.

Maybe I didn't do the smartest thing in that situation but that beating ended a good 10-15 minutes sooner than if I too had just called the cops. I'd do it again without hesitation.

While I too have many a tale of whippings and beatings that I survived, I wasn't the only one. As a child, for some reason, it became actually harder to witness/hear a beating than to take one. To this day I absolutely cannot bear to see/hear violence done to another. It is my "rosebud". I lose sight of my own well being and do my best to stop the violence.

Julie

[JoePhilly]

140. Makes total sense to me.

When I was about 18, I was driving in my Philly neighborhood and I saw a guy at the bus stop beating a woman. Hitting her over and over. I pulled over fast and jumped out and started to yell at him to stop. He did stop, and then ran towards me, I was not a little guy then, but this dude looked out of his mind. So we spent the next couple minutes with him trying to catch me, while I used my car as an obstacle.

And that created time. Other people who saw him hitting her but had not acted, pulled her away, into a corner store. Some one called the police. And by the time they arrived, his anger had dissipated some. Well, he was still pissed, but he no longer had the physical ability to do much other then yell.

Its not a rational choice to intervene in such situations. You just don't see an obvious alternative.

[alphafemale]

30. Yeah. That always works.

He'd of just taken the kid inside to beat him.

I hope that piece of shit dies in prison and never has access to a child ever again.

[Pisces]

32. ???????????

[MrTwister]

33. Kinda judgmental. nt

[Honeycombe8]

98. It it works, and no else was injured, it was right. If there's one thing to get

the attention of a bully, it's the possibility of being bullied himself by someone who is in a position to do just that.

I was raised by a bully and have a brother who is a bully. That is what gets their attention. This man who stopped it knew what he was dealing with: a coward.

The goal was to stop the behavior immediately. Mission accomplished.

[Dont call me Shirley]

24. What an effin' loser. Anthony should never be allowed around children for the rest of his life.

[graywarrior]

27. Good for Oscar!

[MrScorpio]

28. You gotta love cameras... They're everywhere

And You Tube, it's truly precious.

[rollin74]

35. that p.o.s. "dad" should lose custody of his son forever

child abusers are among the worst scum of the earth. Lock him up!

[ManyShadesOf]

36. Man needs psychiatrict help

[Warren DeMontague]

39. Yes

there seem to be a lot of people coming massively unglued, these days.

[Rose Siding]

37. The man is a t-ball and soccer coach according to CNN

Wouldn't want to know him. Felony child abuse gets 6 years in CA.

The cnn article says the wife, kid and a baby went to Alabama "on a long-planned summer vacation" but that "In the wake of the incident and arrest, Sanchez decided not to join his family on the vacation"

Maybe she left him.

http://www.cnn.com/2012/06/09/us/california-beating-video/index.html

Good on that neighbor. Sometimes people don't get involved.

[ManyShadesOf]

42. T-Ball. So good for the self esteem

[Warren DeMontague]

60. I'm not sure the T Ball is the problem

I think the whacking with the belt is.

[Warren DeMontague]

38. Ugh.

Good for the neighbor. That's the silver lining, here.

[ManyShadesOf]

44. Aside from matching

the macho challenge to fight ...

[Warren DeMontague]

45. Its real easy to armchair quarterback

I suppose everyone needs hobbies

[ManyShadesOf]

46. "armchair quarterback"

yeah more macho, great. It's good the neighbor spoke up. Threatening more violence and escalation doesn't really help resolve anything, does it.

And yes, I have been in a similar situation and found a different way.

[Warren DeMontague]

47. Then by all means, elaborate

Really. Im curious.

[ManyShadesOf]

48. Sometimes it is enough

to let the person know that they are being observed. Esp. if they are in agitation or out of their minds, it brings them back to present enough to stop the abuse. That's primary. Getting them off the kid. Calming them down so the kid is not in danger.

[Warren DeMontague]

49. Yes, people often cut the crap when they know others are on to them.

Sometimes, but not always.

[ManyShadesOf]

51. and some are stuck in that mode

[Warren DeMontague]

54. Obviously

I guess if some have been doing the same thing every day or 10 years, it might be intimidating for some to think of themselves taking all of them outside so that they can all get on a bicycle or enjoy some fresh air or take their multitude on a walk to the store to buy some groceries to make all of themselves some dinner or something.

[ManyShadesOf]

57. and how

how's that workin for ya?

[Warren DeMontague]

58. "We are here to awaken from our illusion of separateness", right?

Either that, or, like, some other reason.

[cali]

50. I can see how watching that could make someone really, really angry

and it seems to me instead of criticizing this guy, you should be recognizing that he stopped a child from being abused. He reported the guy.

[ManyShadesOf]

53. then please

read the rest of my posts and you won't be confused. Hopefully.

[cali]

55. No thanks, honey. I'm just not that interested in what you have to say.

oh, and you seem to be a tad judgmental. typical armchair quarterback, sweetie.

[ManyShadesOf]

56. maybe

thats why you misunderstood it. and judged it.

[Warren DeMontague]

59. I think the judgment is coming from you.

You second guessed someone who responded to an abuse situation, and put a stop to it.

[ManyShadesOf]

61. you assume

that he put a stop to it.

I pointed out that threats and potential escalation of the violence may not be helpful.

That's it.

[EOTE]

64. He DID put a stop to it.

The stepfather was arrested and now everyone knows the asshole is an abuser. People will be watching him like a hawk, that kid doesn't need to worry about that asshole in his life anymore. Anyone second guessing the actions of the guy who put a stop to the abuse of a child seems like quite the ignoramus.

[ManyShadesOf]

65. BS

back off. Foff in fact. "Ignoramus" yourself. Please. The observation was that ending the "putting a stop to it" with threats and possible escalation of violence may not be a good idea. Deal with it. YMMV Good night. The abusive attitudes around here are part of the bloody problem of this violent culture.

[EOTE]

79. You're full of it.

You're the epitome of the dullard armchair quarterback, so you can go "Foff" yourself. And you're kind of hilarious complaining about the abusive attitudes around here when you're trying to put someone in place who put a stop to this horrendous abuse. What you are completely incapable of understanding is that fuckers who pick on the helpless like this are utter cowards, they pick on the small and weak because they're terrified of people their own size. That fucker probably pissed his pants as soon as he heard a threat from someone his own size. This douchebag desperately needed that threat of violence. You seem only concerned about this "violent culture" when it's violent words used against a worthless waste of space. Odd that you can't seem to get as worked up when that same waste of space attacks a helpless kid. Deal with it and go "Foff" yourself.

[ManyShadesOf]

114. You're trying to escalate

We all have experience of this. "What you are completely incapable of understanding..." BS
"You seem only concerned about this "violent culture" when it's violent words used against a worthless waste of space." BS
"Odd that you can't seem to get as worked up when that same waste of space attacks a helpless kid." More BS

Odd that you want to fight, instead of accept that "It's good the neighbor spoke up. Threatening more violence and escalation doesn't really help resolve anything, does it."

"That fucker probably pissed his pants as soon as he heard a threat from someone his own size. This douchebag desperately needed that threat of violence." Do you know everything that happened in this case? Do you know what happened after he challenged his neighbor to fight, the woman said OMG and the vid cut out? No.

Does the action he took THEN require him to then threaten violence against the perp? Maybe, maybe not. If you see it as automatic or required, maybe that's just your experience, not every situation.

FWIW that kid has to "break the cycle." The adults don't help by piling violence on top of violence.

[EOTE]

124. I know enough to realize that defending the dad in this situation...

even to say that he didn't deserve a threat of violence, is ridiculous.

Once again, the asshole is a bully, if he received a simple "I'm watching you", he most likely would have simply taken the abuse indoors.

Yes, of course the kid needs to break the cycle of violence, and to do that, he needs to get away from that asshole and realize that his stepdad's behavior was abhorrent. That's what this man did. You don't play nice with sociopathic assholes like that, you put the fear of god in them. Hopefully this fucker will have a long stint in jail to instill that fear.

You act as if simply telling the man to stop is likely to have been more effective, that's simply ludicrous. Like assholes like this are in the least bit rational.

I'm not looking for a fight, simply pointing out the utter stupidity of suggesting that one needs to watch their words when confronting a monster committing a criminal act against a child.

[ManyShadesOf]

126. what

No one is defending the dad. Your assumptions about threatening him are yours, not everyone's.

"Once again, the asshole is a bully, if he received a simple "I'm watching you", he most likely would have simply taken the abuse indoors."

Possibly. Wonder if he knew he was being taped?

This is a good point for there to be Authorities available for enforcement. Dad's kickin each other's ass in the cul de sac aren't really a long range solution

"That's what this man did. You don't play nice with sociopathic assholes like that, you put the fear of god in them."

Actullay, that's how they got to be like thiat in the first place. Some sociopathic asshole did it to them. Like this kid, potentially. Which is why neighbors, family, authorities need to be involved as witnesses and help, to break the cycle.

"You act as if simply telling the man to stop is likely to have been more effective, that's simply ludicrous. Like assholes like this are in the least bit rational.

"I'm not looking for a fight, simply pointing out the utter stupidity of suggesting that one needs to watch their words when confronting a monster committing a criminal act against a child."

No. I'm not. THis is more of your bullshit. Just stop putting words in others mouths. My point is, someone can do what he did and be effective, WITHOUT threatening more violence, that potentially escalates, doesn't help, and may further piss off the "irrational" abuser you pointed out may just "take it inside." God knows the rear nieghbor could be half and mile away on the street. While the kids getting the shit beat out of him.

Have a great day.

[EOTE]

131. No words were put in your mouth.

You were suggesting that the man who confronted the asshole stepfather needed to watch what he said. Your words are available for everyone to see. It looks quite foolish pretending like you didn't say them now.

Would you say the same thing if the man were confronting a rapist in the act? Now now, let's not threaten violence, that's probably how the rapist became that way in the first place. Let's do our best to reason with the rapist, we wouldn't want him to become even rapier. There is no reason NOT to threaten that asshole with violence. What that man did was 100% the right thing. We all know that's not what you'd do, but that wouldn't prevent you from being any less wrong.

[ManyShadesOf]

133. You're right

Technically you misunderstood, misread what I said and tried to push your version as mine. Your words are available for everyone to see. It looks quite foolish pretending like you didn't say them now:

"Anyone second guessing the actions of the guy who put a stop to the abuse of a child seems like quite the ignoramus.

"And you're kind of hilarious complaining about the abusive attitudes around here when you're trying to put someone in place who put a stop to this horrendous abuse.

"What you are completely incapable of understanding is that fuckers who pick on the helpless like this are utter cowards, they pick on the small and weak because they're terrified of people their own size.

"You seem only concerned about this "violent culture" when it's violent words used against a worthless waste of space.

"Odd that you can't seem to get as worked up when that same waste of space attacks a helpless kid.

"I know enough to realize that defending the dad in this situation... even to say that he didn't deserve a threat of violence, is ridiculous.

"You act as if simply telling the man to stop is likely to have been more effective, that's simply ludicrous.

"I'm not looking for a fight, simply pointing out the utter stupidity of suggesting that one needs to watch their words when confronting a monster committing a criminal act against a child.

"You were suggesting that the man who confronted the asshole stepfather needed to watch what he said.

"There is no reason NOT to threaten that asshole with violence."

Thats what you think, not me. What I said was: "ending the "putting a stop to it" with threats and possible escalation of violence may not be a good idea."

You think it is necessary: "There is no reason NOT to threaten that asshole with violence."

I don't agree. Esp if it continues the cycle of violence and esp. if it puts the kid in greater danger. As you said, a man like that is not rational and may "take it inside" while this audience has no idea what the next actions of the witness may be.

Part of your confusion may be in trying to make this about just one situation and "quarterbacking" instead of acknowledging that people and situations are different; not everyone's the same. If "kick his ass" is your one size fits all solution, that's up to you.

[joshcryer]

73. Precisely, the wife seemed really angry as well.

I bet if Oscar wasn't there she may have reacted in the same way that he did. I know plenty of women who would've reacted that way. That is horrific.

[ManyShadesOf]

116. Exactly

She would have documented the abuse, opened the window, told him to stop ...











... then challenged him to come over and fight with her.

[joshcryer]

72. He could've just as easily taken it inside.

The perpetrator should be immediately called on their acts and then made to explain themselves. The cops should've been called immediately thereafter.

Simply saying "I see you..." is not enough. The child could've been taken inside and abused further.

[boppers]

77. Doesn't resolve anything?

Uhm, a felony was being committed.

What do you suggest one should say to a rapist, while they are raping somebody?

I guess "Hey, I'm taping this, see you in court" might work, but redirecting the rage from a victim is part of the problem.

[ManyShadesOf]

110. "It's good the neighbor spoke up. Threatening more violence and escalation doesn't really help reso"

What I said. "It's good the neighbor spoke up. Threatening more violence and escalation doesn't really help resolve anything, does it."

Speaking up resolved the immediate harmful situation. It's good the neighbor spoke up. Threatening more violence and escalation potentially escalates more violence.

[ManyShadesOf]

119. It's good the neighbor spoke up.

"It's good the neighbor spoke up. Threatening more violence and escalation doesn't really help resolve anything, does it."

Anyone wants to fight about that can join the mess upthread. i'm out.

Witness. Document. Open Window. Speak Up. Then you ...

decide which of these to .....

>>> threaten to beat the shit out of the abuser
>>> post Vid on YouTube
>>> contact authorities
>>> don't invite escalation of violence

[joshcryer]

71. There's nothing "macho" about protecting a child with a stern voice.

I'm sure you would call a woman doing the same "macho" as well.

[ManyShadesOf]

109. "matching the macho challenge to fight"

came at the end, when the video cut out. Sorry if that wasn't clear enough.

[JI7]

66. i don't understand these type of parents, same goes for the Beauty pageant and other similar types

i understand wanting your kid to do well overall. i don't have any kids but if they didn't do well in sports or something i wouldn't push them to do it.

what is it ? is it about using your kid to do something you wish you could have ? about having the kid do well and bring you money ?

[lunatica]

100. You're trying to understand the bully as if he was normal

Google the word bully. Or sociopath. So called normal people don't beat kids for not catching a ball right.

[JI7]

135. are there parents who react the same if their kid doesn't do well in something like math, science

etc ? like if the kid doesn't win at the science fair ?

[lunatica]

142. Bullies are everywhere and

as you know they become parents too. Beating up on children for not performing well enough is not something normal people do.

[Liberal_in_LA]

69. neighbor's reaction - i like

KETKNBC reports that Oscar Lopez, a neighbor of Sanchez, filmed the incident on Wednesday morning, and can be heard after a minute, telling Sanchez to stop. Lopez says in the video:


“That’s enough. I’m having a (expletive) problem with you for beating the (expletive) out of him because he won’t catch the damn ball.”

Sanchez responds by asking if he knows his son. Lopez replies:


“I don’t know your son but I’m watching you. I’m a (expletive) father too. Why don’t you come over here and teach me?”

Read more at http://www.inquisitr.com/251502/anthony-sanchez-california-water-director-arrested-for-allegedly-whipping-son-during-game-of-catch-video/#5sZt3P0tGVoCs7J3.99

[joshcryer]

70. Note how he says "you know my son?" to try to imply some perversion for someone being decent.

Fortunately Oscar had the perfectly reply, "I'm a father, too!" and totally pwned that idiot. Would've loved to have seen when he went outside to confront the man.

[obamanut2012]

94. I saw that as the stepdad blaming the kid for being beaten

ie you don't know my son and why he deserves this.

I saw a video of Oscar, and he is "macho" enough to have probably scared the creep when he went outside.

[vaberella]

75. Don't I know from experience what that feels like. Mine was more.."I plan on breaking you."

This was super difficult for me to watch. I'm glad this neighbor did what he did. That little boy was definitely being abused. I hope that man is not released on bond and the mother of the boy has him put in prison for his actions.

[boppers]

78. If that's considered abuse, holy fuck.

I come with a broken meter, I know that.

My arms and legs are lined with scars from childhood. I grow my hair long to hide the skull scars.

What does DU say is "abusive"?

[EOTE]

80. "Abusive" is beating a kid because he's not playing to your expectations.

Really? You don't think this is abuse? It's awful that you had to endure what you did as a child, but just because this kid might not have endured as much as you did, does not mean that he didn't go through horrific abuse that no child should have to go through.

[boppers]

81. My meter, as I said, is broken.

I'm not trying to compare, I'm trying to understand.

[EOTE]

83. That's fair, and I'm sorry once again.

I guess I (as well as most DUers, I'd imagine) believe that no child should have to endure that type of physical abuse, especially for something pertaining to their natural ability or lack thereof. That stepfather seems like an awful person and I don't think he should be around children until he changes his ways significantly. I also imagine that if he's doing such horrible things outdoors, that what he's doing inside is even worse. I really hope that kid gets a loving environment in which to live shortly.

[lunatica]

103. I can tell you that abuse is

any form of belittling or beating someone who is weaker than you are. It is using the excuse that "you made me do it", or "he/she makes me mad", or any other excuse that the victim of the abuse is asking for it or deserves it in some way.

Your scars were not earned. They were inflicted on you. If you saw a grownup beating a child would you automatically think the child is at fault?

[Warren DeMontague]

82. I don't know what to say.

Let me put it this way: There is a problem with beating the kid with a belt because he's not catching the ball... or, hell, for any other reason.

Yes. That is abusive. Absolutely. Beyond that... Good God. I can't express to you how sorry I am about your childhood, I really am. No one should have to go through that. It is wrong.


Added

[boppers]

86. Not your fault, or your problem. eom

[lunatica]

105. Actually it is society's problem

Because the great majority of people would have stepped in just like the man videotaping the abuse did. And now society has stepped in by arresting the man because he was committing a crime that society has labelled a crime.

Would you be able to witness such a crime being committed and just move on because it 'isn't your problem'?

[LiberalAndProud]

84. May I ask the same question of you?

Being a survivor of abuse, what do you say is abusive? I cannot imagine living with abuse and fear of abuse that you did. I'm so sorry that you had to endure what you did.

I come from a very different place. I have recollection of very few spankings and never with a belt, so yes, to me the way this man is treating this boy is extremely abusive. Violence and child rearing have no place in the same room. There is no way the man was going to elicit the behavior he was seeking by hitting the boy. Truly, the best rule is to never touch a child in anger. Never.

[boppers]

87. My meter is broken.

Part of breaking the cycle is knowing this.

But about abuse:
Is scalding water abuse?
Hot water?
Lukewarm water?
Cold water?

"Being a survivor of abuse, what do you say is abusive?"

I'm 40 and still have nightmares. I have PTSD, but I have never been to war. I'd say that child abuse is something that permanently damages a person.

It's hard to explain. You know the concept of "mother's milk"? I find it repulsive and dangerous.

[LiberalAndProud]

129. I have no words.

Your life story touches me. I am heartsick. I hope for you that the nightmares finally end as you work to break this horrifying cycle. I wish for you healing, however much that can be and more.

[boppers]

141. I have no children.

That's a start.

Thanks.

[cali]

85. I'm so sorry. Yes. It's undoubtedly abuse

terrifying a child and hitting him with a belt is abuse.

[boppers]

90. So, who wasn't hit by a belt?

Shoved under a chicken coop to live in their shit for the night?
Tied to a goat rack?

I apparently had a weird childhood.

[cali]

92. My heart breaks for you. I really hope you've had help

you didn't have a "weird" childhood. You had a tragically abusive one.

But you know that. No apparently needed.

[obamanut2012]

96. Yes,what was done to teh boy is abusive

Beating a child with a belt is abusive. Having a child beg to have you stop beating him, but continuing to beat him is abusive.

How is it not abuse?

Also, legally, this is felony abuse in CA.

[obamanut2012]

95. The abuser is an elected official

I hope he loses that position over beating this child.

[lunatica]

104. I doubt he'll ever be elected for anything again

This video has exposed him for life. If he ever runs for anything it will be like Mitt's dog on the roof of the car story. It simply won't go away. He's branded for life and I can't say that isn't first class justice for what he's done. His abusive behavior is now public knowledge forever.

[Honeycombe8]

97. How did they get my dad on videotape? There wasn't even video back then!

There was 8mm or something like that, those old time moving photograph machines.

[lunatica]

106. I'm sorry you or any child has endured such abuse

For real. To have been treated like that is horrible.

[Rosa Luxemburg]

101. I wonder how many incidents there we do not see

We don't know what abuse is going on behind closed doors. I am glad this one has been exposed. For example how many kids are beaten by parents for bad grades?

[vankuria]

108. Grandfather was on Today Show

The Mom's father, to my amazement was defending the abuser! He kept saying over and over how much he loved the boy but he mouths off and has behavioral issues as if this justifies such abuse. The lawyer for the step-dad was there as well and the whole interview sickened me, as if this boy deserved such abuse. The Grandfather further stated the mom and child are now out of state on a "planned vacation", which I think is a big fat lie. I wonder if the mom is a victim as well and the Grandfather is defending him because he feels intimidated or fears retaliation. Kudos to the neighbor who got involved, tried to stop it, videotaped and posted the abuse on you-tube to expose this jackass bully.

[Pisces]

113. I am not defending the mans actions but is everyone willing to ruin a family over a 10 min. video??

People want the guy to lose his job and his family. How about anger management classes and parenting classes??

I will only add that when I was growing up, if I sassed or cursed at my father I would have also gotten the belt on my ass or legs.
I would never have wanted either of my parent to go to jail. I think we are quick to throw the book at people. I am surprised
no one has suggested water boarding this guy.

[snooper2]

115. Okay, we water board him for two hours, then the video gets pulled down

Sounds like a good deal all around?

[ManyShadesOf]

118. wait

isn't he already on the Water Board?

[snooper2]

123. thanks for my first real LOL of today

[ManyShadesOf]

125. !

glad to be of service

[ManyShadesOf]

117. This may help

people deal with abuse around them, one way or another. I agree, the man needs psychiatric

[TBF]

121. "Ruin a family"? What the fuck kind of family is this?

No, what I am willing to do is advocate for a child (and all children) who should not have to put up with this brutality. Our culture in this country is disturbingly violent. Perpetuation of the violence is even more barbaric.

[slackmaster]

120. Child abuse gets handed down from generation to generation

It's a safe bet that Anthony Sanchez was beaten frequently as a child by his father.

[Rittermeister]

122. My father did this kind of thing in public

and he's an officer of the court and a pillar of the community. Guess it must be a southern thing.

[EFerrari]

137. My grandmother and all her kids used to say, "where is the belt?"

and I got the idea that it was a family tradition that died off before anyone in my generation got hit. I never saw the belt and I don't know if it existed but I'm pretty sure my uncles saw it and it's possible my grandmother did when she was a child.

I'm glad someone is dragging this man into the current century.

[tawadi]

128. "That's enough fuck stick"

Couldn't have said it better myself.

[ManyShadesOf]

134. +1

[TroglodyteScholar]

138. I adore the way the person filming engages this terrible man

"Why don't you come teach me?"

[TNLib]

136. I remember when I was a small child and it seemed like this kind o thing went on all the time.

But no one would ever intervene adults would just turn a blind eye. I'm glad to see times are changing and this kind of abuse is not tolerated.

[Proles]

139. Sorry, but any parent who feels the need to spank, much less BELT a child, is obviously

doing the whole parenting thing wrong.

There are ways to discipline children without having to resort to physical violence. Spanking is just the lazy way of dealing with things. Be an actual father and mother and educate the child. If you want to punish a child, there are other ways of doing it.

Honestly, in this case it's just outright abuse, given that it was over a ball game.

[ljm2002]

143. Three cheers for the neighbor!

I guess they couldn't bear to see it, I would certainly be distressed to see such a thing and would not hesitate to report it either. But having a video makes the case, with no easy out for the bastard.

K&R

[WI_DEM]

144. sadistic asshole.

[WI_DEM]

145. breaking news: Sanchez resigns his position with Irrigation district

An Imperial County water agency director -- who was arrested after a video surfaced that appeared to show him hitting his stepson with a belt -- has resigned his position, his lawyer said.

http://www.chicagotribune.com/news/nationworld/sns-la-anthony-sanchez-imperial-county-resigns-20120611,0,4794194.story