Bill Rejected By The GOP 6 Months Ago Would Have Stopped Florida Shooter From Gun Purchase

[L. Coyote]

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Bill Rejected By The GOP 6 Months Ago Would Have Stopped Florida Shooter From Gun Purchase

As it turns out, America’s elected Republican officials could have stopped Orlando’s gay nightclub shooter from being able to purchase the assault rifle ....

Not only are Republicans responsible for stigmatizing members of the LGBT community as anti-god deviants, but they could have thrown a huge wrench in Mateen’s massacre plans had they passed a law proposed six whole months before this morning’s mass shooting occurred.

According to MSNBC:

“Senate Republicans rejected a bill that aims to stop suspected terrorists from legally buying guns, on Thursday. The vote came a day after at least 14 people were killed during the San Bernardino massacre in California ....

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[scscholar]

1. The idea that terrorists are innocent until proven guilty...

is just ridiculous. We shouldn't be so ready to give them machine guns.

[TheBlackAdder]

59. It's the NRA's objective to ratchet things up, so that there is more fear and more gun sales.

[RKP5637]

77. Exactly what goes on, more gun sales, and congress supports them for $$$$$'s. It's

disgusting. It's pure bribery.

[Beartracks]

111. Exactly. The NRA works for gun manufacturers...

... not gun owners.

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[linuxman]

2. Which list was he on?

[LS_Editor]

3. A good question.

[MariaThinks]

4. at least 2

[linuxman]

18. Really? which ones?

[hack89]

5. Support for secret government lists on DU? Ok. Nt

[L. Coyote]

6. Misconstruing an OP. Never happened before on DU.

[hack89]

7. Sorry. Thought you supported the proposed law. Nt

[L. Coyote]

61. Republicans opposed the law is my point. You miscontrue why they oppose it.

The love the secret government terror list, probably moreso if it includes Black Lives Matter and other radicals they hate. What the Republicans vote against is ANY restriction on owning an automatic rifle. They have a 'don't give an inch' mentality they puts guns to the hands of the mentally unfit. The list aspect has little to do with the larger issue of today.

[hack89]

69. And you and I oppose the law for a more positive reason

But I understand your original point now.

[Darb]

8. I know, can you imagine?

Stopping a lunatic wanna-be terrorist kook from so easily getting armed up. We cannot have that cuz...............toys.

[hack89]

9. So secret lists and no due process is fine with you?

why not change the process so it is transparent and constitutional? Civil rights should be hard to take away.

[GeorgeGist]

12. Getting rid of the archaic 2nd Amendment seems the better path.

IMO

[hack89]

14. That would be very hard if not impossible

the support is not there.

[Laha]

49. So instead of just being a naysayer to the idea of fixing things

Would it not make more sense to advocate the reasons for change?

Otherwise you're just adding to the chorus of voices who are helping to convince other people it's not possible.

Other places in the world have done it. It's worth the effort.

And if you're not willing to help change it, you're part of the problem.

[AntiBank]

55. starting a genuine civil war is not part of the solution

[Laha]

72. Putting words into my mouth

I would suggest starting with conversation, instead of just saying it can't be done. Or running around shooting people.

[AntiBank]

75. I agree on that, I did feel you were advocating for repeal, if not, I stand corrected

[Laha]

86. Cool, thanks!

I usually just try to stay out of everything anyway, since I'm pretty far removed from what's going on. I've been rather uncharacteristically running my mouth off lately, finding it difficult to keep a cool head about certain things.

[AntiBank]

87. lots of crazily fucked up shit happening all at once, hugs

[AntiBank]

54. you do realise your advocation for 2nd Amendment repeal would trigger a civil war?

There is no way you are going to be able to confiscate the hundreds of millions of USA guns in private hands without tens of thousands, maybe hundreds of thousands of deaths. It is just the cold hard truth.

Plus you will never get the votes. I am for further restrictions from a reality based perspective.

[Scuba]

90. Australia managed. Perhaps they're more exceptional than we are.

[AntiBank]

91. they are way less violent than the American collective psyche, and the Aussies can (and have been)

some murderous fuckers. ask the aborigines.

Tells you how far off the goddamn charts we are, from head to foot-bottom.

Plus they never had a Bill of Rights enshrining the gun possession thing.

They also never had mass importation of slaves like we did, an importation that (due to hundreds of years of raw brutal dehumanisation and racism with basic NO systematic redress) has made a crazy violent underclass culture with a crazy violent and racist police state and for profit prison system with a perpetual boot on their throats.


USA truly, at all levels, both internal and external (global empiric wars) has a massive legacy of brutality.

[Scuba]

92. So they're "lless violent" but "murderous fuckers." Cognitive dissonance at its finest.

And then you blame the descendants of former slaves for creating a "crazy violent underclass." You're a real class act.

[AntiBank]

93. wow did you misread my words

I was saying as violent as the Aussies have been (and they have been) , the American culture of violence has far outsripped them.


And I blamed (in my post) the systemic hundreds of years of raw, racist, brutal slavery for laying the underpinnings of the violent black underclass, along with the current raw, brutal racist police state and industrial prison complex, plus no real redress after the Civil War (40 acres and a mule, etc failure). Also lack of economic fairshake opportunity has played a massive role.

Another thing I left out, a key element to the evolution of America.

Manifest Destiny.

That entire ethos is the epitome of violence and conquest.

So don't try and impune me by falsely slagging me with things I never said.

[Scuba]

102. Then I apologize and plead only that your assertion that the US would have a civil war over the 2A..

... led me to mistakenly assume the worst about you.

[AntiBank]

103. Thwre are so many nutters, I think several million, who would get into a shooting war

before they gave up their guns. I think they would violently resist to the death. Maybe I am wrong. I so hope we never find out.

[Darb]

13. What secret list are you talking about?

You act like not being able to get a gun is a big penalty. It's not. It's not like some sensational gun humper won't break the law to get you one.

[hack89]

15. The government terror lists.

completely secret.

You must have loved the Patriot Act.

[Darb]

19. No, I didn't support the Patriot Act, derrrr.

I do support keeping guns out of the hands of kooks. I know, I know, toys. If a hold on someone's gun rights for certain reasons keeps kooks like the latest wonderful fuckface from getting his hands on "tools" capable of carnage like last night, I'm good to go. Wash those hands.

[hack89]

21. Yet you support the watch lists the Patriot Act created.

My hands are perfectly clean. Watch out for your dancing shoes though.

[Darb]

22. I support common sense gun control.

If you find yourself on a list because you are known to conspire with known terrorists, then prove them wrong and get your toys back. Same goes if you beat your wife. Or are convicted of a violent crime. Or many other reasons. You see, having a gun is not all that goddamned important. Oh, yeah...............toys are important. Tough shit. Publish the list.

I disagree about your hands.

[hack89]

23. Guilty until proven innocent. There we have it.

Not everyone trusts the CIA, FBI, and NSA like you do.

I don't care what you think about my hands. You are insignificant.

[Darb]

25. You are significant only in the helping hand you lend

to killers by aiding and abetting in their acts by disparaging every honest effort to prevent people like them from laying their hands on their "tools" of death. You are guilty, with every single post, you are guilty.

If you have beaten your wife, you are not innocent, you are violent and should not be able to walk into a store and get a weapon, even after a short wait. No gun for you. Same goes for many other situations. It is a matter of public safety.

[friendly_iconoclast]

26. And *your* collective guilt-tripping is bullshit, as your efforts are nowhere near honest...

...and on the same level as Trump's Islamophobia

[Darb]

30. In come the re-reinforcements. WhooHoo.

It's not guilt tripping, it's fact. Spewing the NRA line is immoral. It aids the killers ease in gaining arms. Stops momentum for change. Discourages good people who want sensible change.

Nice club you boys are in.

[friendly_iconoclast]

32. I despise the NRA, and your proclamations of moral superiority are mere demagoguery

[Darb]

36. Ok, got it.

Cool.

[hack89]

27. I don't plan to change.

what are you going to do about that besides post rambling incoherent insults to anonymous strangers on the Internet?

[Darb]

31. Call you out.

Wash your hands.

[hack89]

33. Sorry. Don't care what you think.

you are nothing to me.

[Darb]

35. Maybe if I paid you.

Errrrr, never mind.

[hack89]

38. Your game is weaker than normal tonight.

not feeling well?

[Darb]

40. WhooHoo. I win again.

Wash those hands yet?

Until next time.

[hack89]

44. Of course you won. You struck a major blow for gun control.

spent the day at the range - have to clean my rifle so talk to you later.

[friendly_iconoclast]

39. Maybe if you did more than wear out keyboards...

[progressoid]

96. "My hands are perfectly clean"

Wow, that's amazing. It must be tedious dealing with the lowly sinners here.

[hack89]

97. Darb and I have a history

you are jumping into the middle of a long going tussle.

[Marengo]

74. Speaking of hands, how many guns do you have again?

[Gabi Hayes]

100. more than he needs, less than he wants, to paraphrase Al Franken on Phil Gramm, porn flick investor

nut.....how I miss him. is he still alive?

https://twitter.com/daveweigel/status/326709820751233024

And of course some strong champions of gun rights may talk up their gun ownership in other venues as well: in 1994, former Sen. Phil Gramm, R., Texas, famously told a National Rifle Association (NRA) convention, "I own more shotguns than I need, but not as many as I want."

https://sunlightfoundation.com/blog/2013/02/05/lamakers-talk-about-their-guns/

[ancianita]

58. These secret lists have been in place since 2001. All lists, whether to kill or silence, originate

in the Terrorist Identities Datamart Environment, maintained at the National Counterterrorism Center. Lists that come from it are the No Fly list, Terrorist Watch List, Drone Kill List.

The NCC collaborates with agencies from the Five Eyes (Australia, Canada, New Zealand, the United Kingdom and the United States.)

Looks like US citizen infiltrators can slip through some cracks in any mercenary security companies they might hire.

[RAFisher]

57. I agree with you.

How do you just eliminate due process? I'm totally for repealing the second amendment, no one needs guns like this. But the Supreme Court says people have a constitutional right to own a firearm. As stupid as I think that is, I don't see how the executive branch can arbitrarily take away someone's constitutional right.

[L. Coyote]

62. You do realize assault weapons were banned before?

And if Congress passes a law it can be tested in the courts. And Congress passing a law isn't the Executive branch taking away someone's constitutional right.

[NutmegYankee]

80. Then reinstate the assault weapons ban, but like Connecticut's, so we never again sell AR-15s.

But I can't ever stand behind a secret watch list being used to deny any citizen rights. It's completely against what the US is founded on.

[Pisces]

10. If you are on the no fly list or the terrorist watch list, no guns for you! Very simple.

There should also be extra hoops and hurdles if you want to buy an assault weapon. Seems like
Common sense, of course this is always in short supply

[hack89]

16. Make the lists transparent and add due process

not everyone trusts the CIA, FBI and NSA like you do.

[Travis_0004]

29. Ted Kennedy was on the no fly list

How much of a danger was he?

Of course being a senator he got off the list with one pgone call. The common people dont have it quite that easily.

What other areas can we eliminate due process? Hell lets just lock suspects up it gitmo for a few years.

[ManiacJoe]

106. Senator Kennedy was never on the No Fly list.

A different "Ted" Kennedy was on the list.
When the senator showed his ID to prove he was not that "Ted", he got his boarding pass and continued on.

But you are right about needing due process.

[sarisataka]

11. So Bush's TERRAHIST lists

are cool now? What about the rest of the Patriot Act BS?

[Angel Martin]

17. So Bush's TERRAHIST lists are cool now?

amazing how that works...

when a Repub gets back into the WH then their lists will be bad again...

[Darb]

34. Makes it even more important to elect Democrats.

Keep spewing, wouldn't want to keep killers from getting guns now would we?

[Angel Martin]

37. a Democrat won't be in WH forever nt

[passiveporcupine]

20. He may not have been on the watch list any more,

Not after the FBI interviewed and investigated him and decided he wasn't a threat. Not sure about that, but that doesn't even matter. Republicans in congress don't mind that LGBTQs were killed last night, any more than abortion doctors.

This just makes them happier that the bill did not pass.

[JustAnotherGen]

76. He wasn't - you are correct

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-live-omar-mateen-was-taken-off-a-terrorist-1465772737-htmlstory.html

Omar Mateen was placed on a terrorist watch list maintained by the FBI when its agents questioned him in 2013 and 2014 about potential ties to terrorism, according to U.S. law enforcement officials who spoke on condition of anonymity to discuss the case.

He was subsequently removed from that database after the FBI closed its two investigations, one official said.

In the first investigation, Mateen was questioned by FBI agents after they were told he had made inflammatory comments that co-workers worried were sympathetic to terrorists.

The FBI agents determined that Mateen had not broken any laws and closed the investigation, a second official said.

They questioned Mateen again the following year because agents had learned he had contact with an American who later died in a suicide bombing in Syria.

Agents closed that investigation because they concluded the contacts with the suicide bomber had been minimal, an FBI official said.

He could still be on a 'cleared' list in the Terrorist Screening Database. Sort of - we verified this guy, there was nothing there - clear him first in any future investigations.

[LynneSin]

24. SECOND AMENDMENT SECOND AMENDMENT SECOND AMENDMENT...

IS BULLSHIT!

[Calista241]

28. He probably wasn't on one of the lists.

The FBI interviewed him, but found nothing to warrant further investigation. Is that all that's required to get on a list these days? Should it?

[sarisataka]

41. Is that all that's required to get on a list these days?

That's the problem, it is unclear how people get on the lists. HuffPo did an article "7 Ways That You (Yes, You) Could End Up On A Terrorist Watch List" http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/25/terrorist-watch-list_n_5617599.html
To summarize:

1. You could raise “reasonable suspicion” that you’re involved in terrorism. “Irrefutable evidence or concrete facts” are not required.

2. You could post something on Facebook or Twitter that raises “reasonable suspicion.”

3. Or somebody else could just think you’re a potential terror threat.

4. You could be a little terrorist-ish, at least according to someone.

5. Or you could just know someone terrorist-y, maybe.

6. And if you’re in a “category” of people determined to be a threat, your threat status could be “upgraded” at the snap of a finger.

7. Finally, you could just be unlucky. (someone makes a mistake)

If you check with the FBI to see if you are on the list-

Can I find out if I am in the TSDB?

The TSC cannot reveal whether a particular person is in the TSDB. The TSDB remains an effective tool in the government’s counterterrorism efforts because its contents are not disclosed. If TSC revealed who was in the TSDB, terrorist organizations would be able to circumvent the purpose of the terrorist watchlist by determining in advance which of their members are likely to be questioned or detained.

https://www2.fbi.gov/terrorinfo/counterrorism/faqs.htm#FAQ6

But never to fear, there are redress procedures
Redress Procedures
Go ahead, check them out. I don't want to spoil the surprise

[Duckhunter935]

47. Love the redress page, so usefull

[sarisataka]

51. And if you check

the Terrorist Screening Center main page, the #1 most wanted terrorist is Bin Laden
https://www2.fbi.gov/terrorinfo/counterrorism/tsc.htm

But don't worry, they vigilantly maintain those list...

[Duckhunter935]

52. Lol. nt

[Thinkingabout]

42. Sensible gun laws should be passed, why some ask, simply there are some people who are

Not capable to be reasonable with weapons in their position. For all the gun lovers, produce a method to stop the senseless gun violence and the argument will be over. I am a gun owner, come from a family of game hunters not people hunters.

[bluestateguy]

43. Obama should just declare a national emergency, and implement the law anyway

and if the courts tell him he can't, ignore them and do it anyway.

The Supreme Court has 4 white males and at least 3 of them can't be trusted to be impartial.

[JustinL]

60. that sounds more like something Trump would do

Obama respects the Constitution too much to do something like that.

[NutmegYankee]

81. Seriously?! You want a dictator, not a president!

Why even post on a Democratic party website? The Party seeks to maintain our Constitutional Republic, not implement some Autocratic Police State.

[Eleanors38]

109. Heh. The ACLU is now an NRA TalkingPoint® in his thread.

[tritsofme]

105. Absolutely shameful and disgusting sentiment. Lucky for us, Mr. Obama is not a dictator

nor does he aspire to be one.

[bluestateguy]

107. I would have thought the crack about the 3 white male judges gave it away as sarcasm

because I find the sarcasm icon unwieldy.

[tritsofme]

108. It is frustratingly difficult to tell these days...

Nothing surprises me any longer!

[Initech]

45. How do you fight a war on terror when the party in power are enabling the terrorists?

[AntiBank]

56. both parties enable the terrorists when they both support empiric wars

that started all this shit in the first place

[Duckhunter935]

46. what secret list was he on?

Are you sure, where did you see this reported?

[Bengi]

48. Security professionals are exempt from gun control

Omar Mateen was a security professional

Every gun control Bill that has ever been in congress has exempted security professionals.

Where is the gay community outrage at Islam?

[L. Coyote]

64. So you want "the gay community" to hate a religion of 1.6 billion, 23% of earth's population.

FCS, hate is the problem here, and you want more of it?

[Lizzie Poppet]

83. The key is selectivity.

That is, don't hate every Muslim on earth* because of incidents like this...hate the violent fundamentalist savages that actually commit (or materially support) these atrocities. Hate what deserves to be hated...and no more.

* particularly when Muslims suffer from radical Islam more than anyone else...

[L. Coyote]

88. So, you are doubling down. Why not distinguish violent fundamentalists from everyone?

Instead of identifying a specific religion as a problem. Is "radical Islam" a religion? No. It is a construct to create "others" to hate. It is what Trump does best.

We are all one human family and violent fundamentalists know no religious boundaries. They are not confined to any one religion. So stop with the religious hatred and the othering of Islam.

[Lizzie Poppet]

89. Oh, for fuck sake.

I'm sorry, did I not broaden the parameters of my categorizations quite far enough for your sensibilities? Try and imagine how few fucks I give...and that will lead you to one of the great gifts to the world that Islamic people have provided: the zero.

That will lead, in turn, to an apt assessment of the validity of your ludicrous assertion that "radical Islam" is a mere construct and not something that clearly exists in the real world, with (ghastly) real world implications.

[uponit7771]

71. The same place its outrage at Christianity? tia

[Orrex]

73. What's really cool is that you don't seem anything at all like a troll

I'm sure that I speak for a great many here on DU when I say that we look forward to years of positive and thoughtful contributions from you.

[justiceischeap]

79. As a member of the gay community

I am no more outraged at Islam than I am Christianity or any other religion that teaches people to hate me. You know why? Because as a subject of indiscriminate outrage for no damn good reason, I am able to engage my brain and know that not all people who worship are assholes.

However, I am more outraged at the GOP for introducing 200+ anti-LGBT bills over the last six months that fosters and emboldens the idea that being gay is wrong or illegal or morally bankrupt.

I am also more outraged at people on DU who are willing to allow a Trump presidency because they feel there'd be no difference between a GOP WH and a Clinton WH.

However, this morning I'm mostly outraged by blatant bigotry.

[AntiBank]

50. Fundamental problem, this post is not being fully truthful. It was not a bill, it was an amendment

to the Obamacare Repeal Act. That Act was vetoed by Obama in January. The law never would have went into effect, even if Feinstein's amendment had been passed in the Senate.

[herding cats]

63. Yep. It was theater, nothing more. NT.

[L. Coyote]

65. To be fair, the post truthfully reports what MSNBC said.

And everyone is also getting off the rails over the details when what mattersa is Republicans who voted against this would vote down any gun control. Did they debate against the Patriot Act and terror lists as their rationale for voting this down. HELL NO!

[herding cats]

67. For what little it's worth I get why it was introduced to the bill

Any form of gun control is a "posion pill" for any current bill in congress.

Still, this reporting is a tad sensational in that it doesn't really address the real problems we face. But, who wants to think that hard in the general public?

Excuse me while I cry on the corner for a moment. Reality is brutal for me anymore.

[AntiBank]

68. I guess I worded it wrong, I meant the article was dodgy, not the poster

and yes, off course the Repugs will vote down most gun restrictions

[Kang Colby]

53. This article is a lie.

The bill floated six months ago gave the AG the ability to intervene on gun purchases if the AG felt it was necessary. The ACLU does not support these type of measures.

Instead of terror watch lists, how about charging and convicting suspected terrorists of conspiracy? In any event, the FBI testified that TWLs were not the correct mechanism to use when vetting prospective gun purchasers.

[L. Coyote]

66. And Republicans voted the way they did because they support the ACLU, right?

What is missing is the assault weapon ban we had with President Clinton. Today, the politics has shifted but their are still forces working to defeat any restriction on guns and those who support them.

[uponit7771]

70. Then make the list more accurate or scale it, if someone is on the list it should be definate that

... they did something

[PoliticAverse]

78. Turns out he wasn't on the watch list...

http://www.latimes.com/nation/la-na-orlando-nightclub-shooting-live-omar-mateen-was-taken-off-a-terrorist-1465772737-htmlstory.html

He was subsequently removed from that database after the FBI closed its two investigations, one official said.

[Gothmog]

82. People on the Terrorism watch list should not buy guns

[Lizzie Poppet]

84. Agreed wholeheartedly.

If the list doesn't prevent things like weapon sales to list members, what use is it?

[NutmegYankee]

85. Why not just create an execution list and put the NRA leadership on it?

Why only go a little fascist - lets go ALL IN BABY!

I could explain why denial of rights based on being put on secret lists which those on never know about is unconstitutional under the 5th Amendment and Article I's prohibition of bills of attainder, but any Democrat knows that.
You want to stop these types of mass murders? Ban assault weapons like Connecticut did so that they are never again available for sale to civilians.

[FighttheFuture]

94. Of course. Standard for R's as they force the society to eat itself alive. They always gather money

and power by these plans.

Gut social safety nets, gut infrastructure, gut jobs and the ability to obtain good jobs, push people in horrid debt then add a bunch of guns god gays and goofs into them mix and see what happens!! Woo hoo!

[Historic NY]

95. One doesn't have miltiple contacts with the FBI if something isn't wrong...

a terrorist wouldn't necessarily want the attention but someone with a score to settle or hate might not care.

[anoNY42]

101. Hasn't Hillary been having "multiple contacts" with the FBI lately....

[Historic NY]

116. Actually not but you'd probably know that if you actually did some real research...

http://www.mediaite.com/tv/cnn-reports-fbi-has-found-no-criminal-wrongdoing-in-hillary-clinton-email-investigation/

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/politics/hillary-clinton-face-charges-fbi-email-probe-article-1.2668031

POTUS wouldn't being endorsing her if she was....there is a thing called laws and thing called rules.


I don't expect to see much of you here after next week.

[lark]

98. Repugs directly created ISIS by John McCain's funding them as Syrian rebels.

Then the terrorist killer enablings fools voted to let terrorists get guns. They personally killed all those people and will kill hundreds, maybe thousands more. The Repugs are looking more and more like a terrorist group to me. Can't take it!!

[Sunlei]

99. Three times the FBI had to check him out. Future gun buys should be flagged for another review.

I think it's careless to treat a gun buyer who has a past of "checked by the FBI for making threats", the same as every other gun buyer.

[tritsofme]

104. This bill must have been written for messaging purposes, to write campaign ads, not become law.

To illustrate Republican obstructionism.

Because I just can't believe Democrats would actually want to pass a bill that limits a constitutional right on the basis of a secret government list, with no due process protections

[Eleanors38]

110. Beyond the constitutional questions there is a tactical problem with BushCo warch lists...

If a terrorist was planning something big, and he/she wanted to get a fast, cheap update on what the government is up to, just go to a gun shop and take the NICS test:. If you are rejected......

[red dog 1]

112. K&R!

When assholes are outlawed, only outlaws will have assholes!

[L. Coyote]

113. "if the person is Muslim ... then it’s terrorism rather than someone who may have a mental illness"

"... if the person is Muslim that did it, then it’s terrorism rather than someone who may have a mental illness or someone who have other causes ..."

WATCH FULL SHOW - Democracy NOW - June 13, 2016
Openly Gay Muslim Imam Reacts to Orlando: Clubs Like Pulse are Safe Havens for LGBT Muslims, Too

Orlando Massacre Comes After Lawmakers in U.S. Filed More Than 200 Anti-LGBT Bills

Authorities have identified the Orlando gunman as 29-year-old Omar Mateen. He was born in 1986 in New York to Afghan parents. Since 2007 Mateen had worked as a security guard at G4S, the largest private security firm in the world. The FBI interviewed Mateen in 2013 and 2014 for possible terrorist ties. According to The New York Times, he was placed under FBI surveillance for a time, but the agency eventually closed its inquiry. There are reports that Mateen called 911 around the time of the assault and declared his allegiance to the Islamic State, but no audio of the call has been released to the public. We speak to Imam Daayiee Abdullah, executive director of Mecca Institute. Imam Abdullah also is one of the first openly gay imams in the Western Hemisphere. .............

[SickOfTheOnePct]

114. That law

even if passed, wouldn't have kept the Orlando terrorist from buying his guns.

[ImLiberalNotLeftist]

115. Sometimes government lets us down.

Let us be mindful of this and challenge the leadership to do better. There is much government can improve on in these preventative measures be it restricting firearms or other things.