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This is what Australia did to its guns

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Reply This is what Australia did to its guns (Original post)
Gomez163 Jun 2016 OP
yallerdawg Jun 2016 #1
MADem Jun 2016 #2
frankieallen Jun 2016 #3
eppur_se_muova Jun 2016 #54
jmg257 Jun 2016 #4
yallerdawg Jun 2016 #5
lancer78 Jun 2016 #52
TipTok Jun 2016 #57
Post removed Jun 2016 #6
Gomez163 Jun 2016 #7
Marengo Jun 2016 #12
linuxman Jun 2016 #13
Gomez163 Jun 2016 #14
Crepuscular Jun 2016 #55
NaturalHigh Jun 2016 #8
Hoyt Jun 2016 #27
NCTraveler Jun 2016 #41
snooper2 Jun 2016 #64
Hoyt Jun 2016 #65
snooper2 Jun 2016 #66
Violet_Crumble Jun 2016 #56
procon Jun 2016 #9
Marengo Jun 2016 #10
roamer65 Jun 2016 #11
TeddyR Jun 2016 #15
Gomez163 Jun 2016 #21
TeddyR Jun 2016 #23
Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #36
AtheistCrusader Jun 2016 #42
X_Digger Jun 2016 #62
virginia mountainman Jun 2016 #16
Marengo Jun 2016 #17
Laha Jun 2016 #20
Marengo Jun 2016 #22
Laha Jun 2016 #26
Marengo Jun 2016 #43
Laha Jun 2016 #45
Marengo Jun 2016 #49
TipTok Jun 2016 #58
Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #19
Gomez163 Jun 2016 #25
Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #31
Gomez163 Jun 2016 #33
Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #38
Gomez163 Jun 2016 #46
Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #63
Hoyt Jun 2016 #28
Eleanors38 Jun 2016 #39
Hoyt Jun 2016 #67
Odin2005 Jun 2016 #18
Paper Roses Jun 2016 #24
SoCalMusicLover Jun 2016 #29
Gomez163 Jun 2016 #30
etherealtruth Jun 2016 #37
davidn3600 Jun 2016 #32
Gomez163 Jun 2016 #34
TipTok Jun 2016 #59
ErikJ Jun 2016 #50
rug Jun 2016 #35
TrollBuster9090 Jun 2016 #40
Marengo Jun 2016 #44
TrollBuster9090 Jun 2016 #60
ileus Jun 2016 #47
Gomez163 Jun 2016 #48
Angel Martin Jun 2016 #51
ncjustice80 Jun 2016 #53
beevul Jun 2016 #61

Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:26 PM

1. You know...

there are real differences between Democrats and Republicans.

This looks like just one of them!

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:28 PM

2. Gee, I was told 'they're not like us," and "they are a different culture,"

and "they don't have racism" (LOL) .... all as "excuses" as to why WE can't do what they did.

What they have--and what we need--is the POLITICAL WILL.
It's past time.

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:29 PM

3. What do they do so the Dingoes don't eat there babies ????

 

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Response to frankieallen (Reply #3)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:49 PM

54. Cayenne diaper powder. nt

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:30 PM

4. LOTS and lots of shotguns in that pic, and a few SKSs, a few .22s...seem to be all sporting arms. nt

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Response to jmg257 (Reply #4)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:38 PM

5. Not one of these...

will accidentally kill a family member, be used in a depressive state to end a life, not be turned in anger at another, not be used to commit a crime, not be used in an act of terrorism.

Not one of these - guaranteed!!!

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:33 PM

52. You do know

 

that you are more likely to be beaten to death than killed with a rifle like the AR 15 right?

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Response to yallerdawg (Reply #5)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:27 PM

57. Neither will they save a life or put food on a table...

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)


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Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:45 PM

7. They haven't had a mass shooting in Australia since 1996.

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:54 PM

12. The Hunt family killings may qualify formally as such IIRC

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:56 PM

13. Yes they have.

 

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_massacres_in_Australia

And port Arthur was done with a semiautomatic fal. Not these sporting shotguns you see in the thousands.

Do you support destroying bolt action rifles and pump action shotguns here in the US?

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:01 PM

14. I relied on a faulty article. There were 13 in the decade before though.

 

It seems to have decreased.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #7)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:06 PM

55. They haven't

had a mass shooting in New Zealand since 1997, despite it being legal to possess the types of weapons banned in Australia. Weapons availability does not seem to be the determining factor for the lack of mass shootings in those two countries in recent years.

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:46 PM

8. Australia doesn't have a 2nd Amendment.

Also, most Americans are in favor of private gun ownership. I don't know how Australians feel.

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:00 PM

27. Ask them if they are in favor of folks like this with gunz?

 



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Response to Hoyt (Reply #27)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:27 PM

41. WTF

 

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #27)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:15 PM

64. How come only white people, is your search engine broken ol' hoyt

 

There are other open carry groups...Although, not finding any Asian Americans who open carry.














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Response to snooper2 (Reply #64)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:37 PM

65. There aren't many, snooper. I'm sure you had to look hard to find those. Fact is, gunz as we know

 

them nowadays, and gun laws, are pretty much due to white wingers.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #65)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:41 PM

66. nope, not really, didn't look for any Mexican Americans of course they open carry all over too

 

but don't let that stop your memes ol' Hoyt...

DU wouldn't be the same without your input! I mean, a couple posters are close but when it comes to hardcore posting you got it down! Hard Core!

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Response to NaturalHigh (Reply #8)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 08:24 PM

56. I know how I feel.

I've got no problem with private gun ownership here the way it is with tight controls. I'd hate it to be like the US where there's almost weekly mass murders with weapons that mostly have been banned here. I'd hate to have little kids shooting themselves or others because their "responsible' gun owning parents leave loaded guns lying around. I'd hate to go shopping and see fuckwits walking around carrying guns like its the Wild West and they're some sort of hero in their own mind.

I'm very grateful that as a nation our response to a horrific massacre was to say enough is enough, rather than have politicians make speeches and send prayers to the victims, knowing full well they'll be mouthing those same words when the next massacre happens.

On edit: having read through this thread I just want to say I've had a gutful of watching some Americans in the media and on the Internet use their own ignorance to distort things and act as though they're some sort of authority on how the gun laws affect Australia. Fuck the lot of them. I know I feel safer living in a society with sensible gun laws.

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:47 PM

9. They're all bent!

I had to do a double take and look again... the barrels have all been bent. No one is going home with a free sample from that lot!

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:48 PM

10. I've read compliance with the "buy back" was surprisingly low...

 

In the neighborhood of 20 % or so, but not sure of the precise figure.

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:52 PM

11. I'll be honest.

It may be able to get a ban on assault rifles and *maybe* semi-automatic handguns in the USA, however, I do not foresee getting a ban on revolvers, shotguns or rifles. The hunting culture runs WAY too deep in America for it to happen.
Canada back about 10 years ago, under PM Jean Chretien's Liberal government, tried to institute a long gun registry and it failed miserably. If Canada couldn't do it, we won't be able to either.

We need to focus on assault rifles first. They need to be eliminated...period.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:05 PM

15. I'm not arguing for or against an assault weapons ban

 

But I do wonder what you mean by "assault rifle"? The weapon used in Orlando is a semi-automatic rifle and functions the same as any of the other of hundreds of types of semi-auto rifles (or pistols) that are publicly available. It isn't a machine-gun or a military weapon.

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Response to TeddyR (Reply #15)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:14 PM

21. We know that machine guns and military weapons are already banned with

 

some exceptions by prior law. I think most people think an assault rifle is the AR-15 used in most of the recent mass killings. I assume it was banned in 1994 and then that law expired. Am I right?

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:30 PM

23. Good question that I don't know the answer to

 

I know that the AWB that expired under Bush banned a lot of weapons and had a lot of exceptions. Not sure where this one falls.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:16 PM

36. The AR and some AK platform Semi-Auto accoutrements were banned. Sans accoutrements, No.

 

Millions of semi-auto rifles using the aforementioned platforms (and others) were legally sold during the "ban." IMO, and in the opinion of others, the "ban" proved the biggest boost in sales for semi-auto rifles. The types referenced are, and have been for years, the largest-selling center-fire rifles in the U.S.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:32 PM

42. Only AR's with a certain number of 'naughty' features were banned.

So a combination of two things like a pistol grip and a bayonet lug.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #21)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:41 PM

62. No, the AR-15 wasn't banned in 1994. Certain features were banned.


There were over 500,000 AR-15 type rifles sold from 1994-2001 alone.



(This is from the Clinton DOJ report on the efficacy of the AWB-- their conclusion is that it didn't do much.)

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:06 PM

16. How?

Will you deal with the massive amounts ofnon-compliance and Collective middle finger most of the owners would give us?

Are you willing to go to door to door to pick them up? I don't know of a single cop (and I know many) that will flat refuse such a order.

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Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:10 PM

17. Maybe those who advocate door-to-door on DU

 

Could be offered the job and deputized. We would certainly see who is a coward around here lol!

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Response to Marengo (Reply #17)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:14 PM

20. Yeah, that's freaking hilarious

You are laughing at the fact that deranged people will kill because they don't feel they should have to give up their death tools.

Your crazy is showing.

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Response to Laha (Reply #20)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:18 PM

22. Rather it's your lack of ability to comprehend that's on display here...

 

Do you advocate seizure of all privately owned firearms by law enforcement?

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Response to Marengo (Reply #22)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:57 PM

26. Thanks for asking despite resorting to an attack on my intelligence to begin with.

Of course not. It's far more complicated then that. If you have any other specific questions I would be happy to explain how I think so.

Even when it comes to the idea of bans I support the idea of voluntary turn ins - without actually putting any real active effort into hunting down the people who decide not to participate.

Start with policies that will help educate people. There are good examples from other countries of how to handle similar situations, but I really don't expect it to happen all at once.

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Response to Laha (Reply #26)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:36 PM

43. You expect veneration after attacking my sanity?

 

I have no objection to the proactive confiscation of firearms from the dangerously mentally ill or other prohibited persons. My original comment was directed at those who want the doors of the law abiding kicked down by the armed state.

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Response to Marengo (Reply #43)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:46 PM

45. Fair response, thank you

I acknowledge that I also made a poor choice in my method of argument.

I'm still not the one who laughed at the idea of someone getting shot.

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Response to Laha (Reply #45)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:23 PM

49. I wasn't laughing at the thought they would be shot...

 

Rather that they would avoid every possibility of it while demanding others take the risk in what they acknowledge might lead to a veritable civil war against fellow law abiding citizens. Basically, a variant of the keyboard commando persona.

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Response to virginia mountainman (Reply #16)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:38 PM

58. That's a significant part of the controller wet dream...

 

They love the idea of door to door searches and folks getting ransacked and hauled off to jail for failure to comply with feel good laws.

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Response to roamer65 (Reply #11)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:13 PM

19. Focusing on a ban of "assault rifles (sic)" is meaningless...

 

1). Rifles account for around 2% of all homicides-by-gun in the U.S., and so-called "assault rifles" (a type of machine gun, actually) are a subset of those rifles.

2). The category of semi-automatic rifles based on AR & AK platforms are now the Biggest selling types of center-fire rifles.

3). The AR & AK platform rifles are supplanting traditional hunting rifles due to improved accuracy, mild recoil, and preferred ergonomics. (Hunters make up 19% of gun owners.)

4). A "ban" can't get around the fast-morphing of its modular construction; you ban it, we change it.

5). The semi-auto pistol has supplanted the revolver as the most popular SD weapon. Many millions served.

6). An unfortunate use of the word "first." Pro-2A people are also concerned about "second," "third," "fourth,"...and are "hip to your tricks" (Joni Mitchell)

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:45 PM

25. Hasn't the AR-15 been used quite a bit lately in the mass shootings????

 

How can we stop that?

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #25)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:10 PM

31. It is used, along with semi-auto pistols (VT), a pump shotgun (Navy Yard) and an accumulation of

 

Black Cat firecracker powder (Boston). When the Colorado theater shooter's gun with the super duper magazine jammed, he used a shotgun. In my collection I have a semi-auto rifle dating to 1905 which works well; yet it would not fall under the rubric of "assault weapon." And virtually all the routine murders in Chicago, Baltimore, etc. are done with handguns. Banning the gun de jure is a fool's errand. There are many other types which can do the murderous job. Or a bomb.

Yet another (ineffective) assault weapon ban would be as meaningless as the first one.

In answer to your question: There is no way to stop all mass murders; the methodology is demonstrably of no relevance to a killer.

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #31)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:11 PM

33. I want to stop crazy people from getting any gun that can spit out bullets

 

so fast they can kill a jillion people in minutes. Can we work on that?

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #33)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:23 PM

38. If you want to keep ANY gun out of the hands of an adjudicated incompetent,

 

I will support a Constitutional measure. Be advised that the VT and S Carolina murderers were found to be adjudicated unqualified, but the paperwork (even when judges have a goddam computer sitting on the bench) didn't make it up the pipe. But I am mystified by Hillary Clinton's remarks today about why someone on an FBI watch list should not be asked some questions.

The FBI did that in two sessions!

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #38)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:59 PM

46. They need to ask some questions before they sell him a dangerous weapon that

 

can kill 50 people and injure another 53.

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #46)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:44 PM

63. Who is "they?"

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #19)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:01 PM

28. Yeah, but they are the guns that yahoos are attracted too. Get rid of them and semi-auto pistols,

 

you shut the gun profiteering all but down.

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Response to Hoyt (Reply #28)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:24 PM

39. Not happening.

 

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Response to Eleanors38 (Reply #19)

Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:50 PM

67. Actually, we need to ban semi-auto pistols too.

 

Which one of these is banned in United States as a threat to people?

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:42 PM

24. K&R

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:02 PM

29. Post A Warning Next Time

 

The gun lovers are going to be traumatized by a picture like that.

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Response to SoCalMusicLover (Reply #29)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:02 PM

30. A "trigger" warning?

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #30)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:16 PM

37. OMG

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:11 PM

32. Most of those look like hunting rifles

 

You want to ban those too?

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:12 PM

34. You got to remember those rifles were bought back. The owners got paid.

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Reply #34)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:40 PM

59. Who cares?

 

I don't care if I get paid. Theft of private property is still theft.

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Response to davidn3600 (Reply #32)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:27 PM

50. Probably semi-automatics

 

rapid repeat fire.

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:14 PM

35. I hope they kept one or two.

 

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:26 PM

40. Amazingly, I don't see an AR-15 Bushmaster anywhere in there.

Probably because they had the common sense not to allow ordinary citizens to buy assault rifles even BEFORE their famous gun crackdown.

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Response to TrollBuster9090 (Reply #40)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:44 PM

44. As I recall, one of the rifles used in the Port Arthur massacre...

 

Was an AR-15.

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Response to Marengo (Reply #44)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 10:44 PM

60. Yes it was, I stand corrected. Thank you. nt

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:03 PM

47. Don't let America follow the same dreadful path.

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Response to ileus (Reply #47)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:05 PM

48. There is still time....brother.

 

(On the Beach reference)

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:31 PM

51. If you want to create credibility problems on guns

for national politicians like Obama and Clinton, the messaging and coments on this and other threads are the way to do it.

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 07:35 PM

53. I call it a good start.

Sadly this country has too many ammosexuals to ever do the correct thing (which is repeal the 2a and institute a total firearm ban)

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Response to Gomez163 (Original post)

Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:20 PM

61. I've never seen so many 'assault weapons' in one picture...

 

Oh wait, those are the 'hunting guns' some anti-gunners lie about when they say they don't have a problem with them.

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