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Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:34 PM Jun 2016

State of the Polls Right Now: Trump Vs. Clinton

I have a bit of an obsession over polls and tracking them closely, so I figured I would see where things are again this week, with you fine folks.


Nation Wide: Clinton +5.6



Clinton=44.6%
Trump=39%

Clinton has gained a point in the averages since last week, when she was up by 4.7 points. Trump is down by .6 points and Clinton is up by .3. Remember since these are averages, that is not insignificant movement.


Electoral Vote: Clinton 338 Trump 200 (+6 Clinton since last week)




The swing states show the following:

Florida: Clinton +3
New Hampshire: Clinton +3
Ohio: Clinton +4
Pennsylvania: Clinton +4
Virginia: Clinton +3
Wisconsin: Clinton +12 (up from +8 last week)
Iowa: Clinton +7
Michigan: Clinton +7
Kansas: Clinton +7

North Carolina: Trump +2


Trump has also claimed he is competitive in typical democratic strong holds, which doesn't appear to be anywhere close to reality.

California:Clinton +18
New York: Clinton +19

But three of the red states that some dems thought might be in play do appear to be close

Arizona: Trump +2
Georgia: Trump +5
Utah: Trump +3

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State of the Polls Right Now: Trump Vs. Clinton (Original Post) Doctor Jack Jun 2016 OP
Dr. MFM008 Jun 2016 #1
The dems are already tying him to trump Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #2
I agree about that KS poll. WOW! longship Jun 2016 #3
It is just one poll Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #4
Alas, statewide KS presidential polling is not likely to be repeated. longship Jun 2016 #8
Maybe but if other states, like Missouri and Utah start showing significant movement towards Clinton Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #11
Let's hope so. longship Jun 2016 #12
Still can't believe Kansas but there it is - solid blue, at least for now. yellowcanine Jun 2016 #5
NC almost certainly. Arizona, Georgia, and Utah should be gone after hard Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #6
Survey USA has Clinton dead even woolldog Jun 2016 #7
True but there is also a reliable pollster showing him with a 7 point lead last week Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #10
Keep in mind, a lot of potential swing states haven't been polled yet Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #9
I was born and raised in AL Frances Jun 2016 #13
There was a poll a few months back showing a tie there Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #14
The black vote is NOT large enough by itself Frances Jun 2016 #18
My god, how large is the redneck vote in that state? Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #22
Yep Frances Jun 2016 #29
PPP Has 2 Great Senate Polls in Arizona and New Hampshire (Net +2) Stallion Jun 2016 #15
Was Arizonia senate seat originally on the dems radar? Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #16
I Think This is About 3rd Arizona Poll Showing at Least a Close Race Stallion Jun 2016 #17
I think Gary Johnson is going to do well in the western red states. roamer65 Jun 2016 #19
kansas has not voted D in a very long time but we have an idiot gov demtenjeep Jun 2016 #20
Love these polls also Dr. Jack...... a kennedy Jun 2016 #21
This is what makes sense to me in elections and what I like to talk about Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #23
No, wait a minute. HarmonyRockets Jun 2016 #24
GOTV works starts now people. Phone banks, canvas, volunteer. nt TeamPooka Jun 2016 #25
Well trump has none of that so I'm not too worried Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #26
Always first draw fresh breath after outbursts of vanity and complacency. - Franz Kafka... TeamPooka Jun 2016 #27
Well I'm going to vote Doctor Jack Jun 2016 #28
Nice post. denbot Jun 2016 #30

MFM008

(19,803 posts)
1. Dr.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jun 2016

Love the electoral map, I think Arizona is a big question.
For some reason, I think McCain is in danger, frankly I think
they will lose the senate at least.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
2. The dems are already tying him to trump
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 04:57 PM
Jun 2016

I heard they made an ad juxtaposing trump's call for a wall with McCain saying "build the dang fence". They are working like hell to make McCain "The Trump Candidate" in that race.

I love the spine that the democrats have these days.

longship

(40,416 posts)
3. I agree about that KS poll. WOW!
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jun 2016

I am thinking that it cannot be correct. If it is, indeed it is a huge WOW!!!



R&

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
4. It is just one poll
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:08 PM
Jun 2016

It is the only poll from Kansas from the year so I could be wrong but if it is even remotely possible that Trump is polling at 36% in Kansas, we might be painting a lot more of the map blue than we expected.

longship

(40,416 posts)
8. Alas, statewide KS presidential polling is not likely to be repeated.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jun 2016

It is so reliably GOP these days. Funding such polls would be a tough call. I would label that one "suspect".

My best to you.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
11. Maybe but if other states, like Missouri and Utah start showing significant movement towards Clinton
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:20 PM
Jun 2016

There might be a lot of polling going on in places like Kansas. Clinton being ahead in Kansas is probably on a few pollster's radars now. If they start seeing other red states slipping from the republican's grasp, they will probably start digging deep into the preferences in Kansas.

yellowcanine

(35,693 posts)
5. Still can't believe Kansas but there it is - solid blue, at least for now.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:09 PM
Jun 2016

I also think Arizona is going to end up blue. And NC.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
6. NC almost certainly. Arizona, Georgia, and Utah should be gone after hard
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jun 2016

I don't know if Clinton will win all 3 of those but I would give even odds on winning at least 1 and that would be a massive defeat for the republicans.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
10. True but there is also a reliable pollster showing him with a 7 point lead last week
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:18 PM
Jun 2016

So he is averaging about a 3 point lead. Although to be fair, even a 7 point lead in Utah is horrendous for a republican presidential candidate. Romney won Utah by 50 points in 2012. If going from +50 to a virtual tie isn't a canary in the coal mine for the republicans, I don't know what is.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
9. Keep in mind, a lot of potential swing states haven't been polled yet
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:16 PM
Jun 2016

Some of that map is based on extremely old polling or just flat out assuming certain states will stay red. Places like Missouri, Texas, Arkansas, Indiana, Nebraska, and Alabama could all possibly be in play. Some polling from earlier this year indicated that Trump is doing very poorly, for a republican, in most of those states.

They already look like they are going to lose or have to drop significant resources in states no one ever thought would be in play. If polls from these other red states show close races, especially texas, talk of a coup at the convention might start getting a lot louder.

Frances

(8,542 posts)
13. I was born and raised in AL
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:26 PM
Jun 2016

I subscribe to my hometown newspaper

I would love it if AL went for Clinton, but I am 99.99% sure that AL will NOT vote for Hillary

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
14. There was a poll a few months back showing a tie there
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jun 2016

I think because the AA popluation is extremely motivated to stop trump. I dont know if the black vote is large enough but they may make it a lot closer if they turn out en masse

Frances

(8,542 posts)
18. The black vote is NOT large enough by itself
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:14 PM
Jun 2016

and the white vote that is not for Trump is not large enough to combine with the AA vote to go for Clinton

I wish it were not so

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
22. My god, how large is the redneck vote in that state?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:56 PM
Jun 2016

All minorities and non-bigoted whites and it still isn't close to winning? Even Utah and Kansas are moving towards the blue column this year. Alabama must be rough.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
16. Was Arizonia senate seat originally on the dems radar?
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:33 PM
Jun 2016

I know the dems have quite a few they think they can pick up since at least last year. Was McCains seat one of them or is this a bit of breaking news?

Stallion

(6,473 posts)
17. I Think This is About 3rd Arizona Poll Showing at Least a Close Race
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:35 PM
Jun 2016

so if it wasn't before it is now

roamer65

(36,744 posts)
19. I think Gary Johnson is going to do well in the western red states.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:23 PM
Jun 2016

You may see some of those go (D) in November in a three way race.

Utah is the tip of that iceberg.

Remember Ross Perot did well out west in 1992.

I do believe that HRC will only get a plurality of the popular vote.

 

demtenjeep

(31,997 posts)
20. kansas has not voted D in a very long time but we have an idiot gov
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:28 PM
Jun 2016

and people are pretty pissed off

i heard the local news the other night saying HRC was leading

tRump did not win here in the primaries

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
23. This is what makes sense to me in elections and what I like to talk about
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 12:05 AM
Jun 2016

Cold, hard numbers. I am a man that likes things very logical. I can't stand political pundits or people's "gut feelings" on politics or historical comparisons (i.e. "trump is like reagan" or "the convention will be like 1968&quot . Leave the emotions and baseless predictions out of it. The only thing that makes any sense to me in such matters is math and science. Polls aren't perfect but they are a hell of a lot better than what Chris Matthews, Lawrence O'Donnell, Wolf Blitzer or Hew Hewitt "feel" is going to happen.

 

HarmonyRockets

(397 posts)
24. No, wait a minute.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 01:51 AM
Jun 2016

I was told by numerous people in other threads on this website that polls showed that Hillary didn't stand a chance against Trump.

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
26. Well trump has none of that so I'm not too worried
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 02:27 AM
Jun 2016

Trump says he doesn't need any of that and so, doesn't have any. Even a half assed GOTV effort on the part of the dems would lead to trump getting crushed in november.

TeamPooka

(24,204 posts)
27. Always first draw fresh breath after outbursts of vanity and complacency. - Franz Kafka...
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 02:35 AM
Jun 2016

When a great team loses through complacency, it will constantly search for new and more intricate explanations to explain away defeat. Pat Riley

There is no place for arrogance or complacency in racing because you are up there one minute and on your backside the next. Tony McCoy

“Complacency delivered us into the hands of evil greedy men like Cheney.” ― Sonia Rumzi

Doctor Jack

(3,072 posts)
28. Well I'm going to vote
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 03:19 AM
Jun 2016

And I'm not in charge of the democrat's GOTV campaign and I have no plans to help beyond donating, because I would be of little use. If the democratic party had my attitude or trumps, that would be an issue but they clearly don't and have much smarter people than I running the show, so I'm not worried.

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