The morons at Wonkette are selling a tee shirt depicting HRC holding Trump's severed head

[cali]

Yeah, yeah. It's a biblical reference- as if that makes it any easier to defend. And of course, the wingnuts have picked up this story and our reacting with predictable hypocritical outrage. T

It's still jaw droppingly stupid to be selling this.

http://wonkette.com/602757/oh-whoops-we-just-forced-you-to-buy-this-shirt-of-hillary-clinton-cutting-off-trumps-head

[Miles Archer]

1. That kind of crap doesn't help at all.

It's not that Trump supporters are going to see that as the hipsters at Wonkette having a laugh.

It's the fact that it will be seen as "Liberals"...that's right, every last one of them...are no better than ISIS.

I haven't read any of the blowback on this, but I know how their minds work. The pack mentality is going to run this one all the way up the ladder, and by the time they are finished, Hannity will be re-posting Brietbart articles on Facebook "exposing" how Clinton Photoshopped this personally.

I've never been a Wonkette fan...too much snark where there should be insight...but yeah, this is not a golden moment for them.

[cali]

2. The blowback from this hasn't started yet. It will be a big fucking wave

particularly in the light of the two beheaded Canadians.

It's just moronic.

[Fumesucker]

3. Snark travels around the world while insight is putting its boots on

[Cobalt Violet]

4. Looks like something republicans would do.

Not surprise since the Democratic party is what it is now.

[Warren DeMontague]

5. Wow, that's a weak-ass photoshop job.

I mean, fine if you're just throwing something together in 15 minutes for shits and giggles, but to sell to people on shirts that they would actually consider wearing around?

I'll get around to the content, sure... eventually.

but right now I'm still trying to get my head around anyone paying for such a craptastic copy and paste job.

[joshcryer]

17. Right?

I'm more annoyed by the attempt than I am anything else. They could've put more effort into it, for sure.

[femmedem]

6. Awful. It plays into the notion that violence is just fine so long as the victors are righteous

and the murdered are in the wrong.

Politically, it's not smart. But I'm less concerned with the politics than I am with the trivialization of violence.

I know it's a joke, but I can't laugh at it.

[seabeckind]

13. Poe's law. n/t

[OnDoutside]

7. Too biblical and poor taste.

[Brickbat]

8. I would have preferred Gentileschi's version myself.

[cali]

10. OK, you got me

[Brickbat]

11. .

[Dr. Strange]

35. If it ain't Baroque, don't fix it!

[glennward]

60. Best post of the year! nt

[MADem]

9. The original painting references a Jewish widow who killed an Assyrian general.

https://www.royalcollection.org.uk/collection/404989/judith-with-the-head-of-holofernes

?itok=S4p3Nbdk

I think the market for this work are people who are professional snarksters, not necessarily Clinton fans.

[seabeckind]

12. I see a lot of hate Trump here.

You really think the opposition doesn't notice?

Try this thread:

http://www.discussionist.com/1015860048

[cali]

14. Obviously the opposition notices. I couldn't possibly have made that clearer.

duh.

And frankly, much as I think of Skinner- and I do, my estimation of him sadly went down when he decided to start a site where hate was the métier for lining his pockets.

Discussionist is vile and the hate comes from the right there.

As for hating Trump, I prefer to use the word despise. He is a proto hitler. Go read Shirer or Reck.

[joshcryer]

16. Aww, hate against a racist bigot xenophobe!

I'm utterly dismayed!

[seabeckind]

18. The point I am trying to make is that

a campaign built upon hate and fear (and I don't care what terms you use)

doesn't do anyone any good. For every nasty thing that is thrown at Trump, there's an equal an opposite reaction.

DU is becoming a bubble. Denying its own shortcomings by pointing outside.

We have met the enemy and....

[MADem]

32. DU isn't "becoming" anything. Try reading the TOS--it's been the same since 2011.

THAT is what DU is--if you don't like it, no one is holding you hostage.

[seabeckind]

36. Has nothing to do with the TOS

Another right wing talking point argument.

My way or the highway. Love it or leave it.

Lord, it's like 2002 all over again.

And look where that got us.

[MADem]

40. If you are bashing or trashing Democrats.....

is NOT a "right wing talking point." And this has always been a PARTISAN site, so yeah, "Love it or leave it." Your choice--no one is holding any of us hostage.

In fact, people who bash and trash Democrats just might be shopping that very thing.

Not sure what you think happened here in 2002--I seem to recall a very peaceful, civil and unified DU back then. We had a common enemy (who was elected two years prior) and his name was Bush.

seabeckind
36. Has nothing to do with the TOS
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Another right wing talking point argument.

My way or the highway. Love it or leave it.

Lord, it's like 2002 all over again.

And look where that got us.

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[seabeckind]

42. Oh no, it was never intended to be a bash of democrats.

The democrats as a whole aren't using right wing talking points.

Many of those who voice sentiment or attitudes more indicative of right of center most definitely are.

Case in point.

[MADem]

43. When you say "Case in point" that is usually followed by an example.

Would you please elucidate?

[seabeckind]

45. Not always.

Sometimes the example precedes the observation.

Like this time....

My way or the highway. If you're not with me, you're against me, etc.

A little review of the rhetoric around the 2002 beating the drums of war would show them all over the place. I had it thrown against me when I demonstrated against it. Then and in the 70s.

Some people took the abuse and stood up to them. Some didn't.

Wasn't it something like 21 democratic senators (and 1 independent) who voted against the Iraq thing? The ones voting for it looked like a rogue's list of third wayers.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iraq_Resolution

oh wait... maybe too vague: This statement right here: if you don't like it, no one is holding you hostage.

(Translated) Love it or leave it.

[MADem]

47. A lot of them had constituents who agreed with the notion that Bush should have the "authority"

(i.e. the clout) should he need it--their mistake was trusting him and his national security team to be reasonable with that blank check.

Of course, IWR or no, Bush would have gone ahead with his plans based on the resolutions that were voted on in the late nineties--the ones that some of those "against" voters voted FOR.

Bush's attitude was always "The Constitution is just a goddamned piece of paper" and he wasn't going to let Congress stop him once his mind was made up.

[seabeckind]

48. Whatever helps you sleep at night. n/t

[MADem]

49. What an odd comment. I don't lose sleep over problematic votes in Congress--in the 90s or later. nt

[seabeckind]

50. It refers to a rationalization on your part.

A psychological defense to deny a mistake.

IOW, pretend it wasn't a mistake.

But empirical evidence proved that it was. And then you did a little contortion dance to exonerate the senators who stood with Bush.

[MADem]

54. You should really stop making the conversation about me--or anyone else with whom you converse.

Speaking of those "psychological defenses" and all.

But I guess that's a "little contortion dance" as well, wouldn't you say, Dr. Freud?

[seabeckind]

57. I calls em as I see em.

[MADem]

63. I'll bet you do. nt

[joshcryer]

15. Obviously protected speech.

Despite the utterly terrible photoshop.

[notadmblnd]

19. Do they really think this will get her votes?

[seabeckind]

20. No. They are using it to sell their product.

[Bluenorthwest]

21. Wonkette I already intently dislike, I consider thir work (her work?) to be habitually nasty and

self indulgent with regular helpings of backhanded homophobia. This, a piece which is horrific in concept and botched in execution if you can pardon the pun, is definitive of both what they do and how they do it.

[cali]

22. perfectly said.

[Bluenorthwest]

23. It's Wednesday and the power of speech is returning to me.....

not a great couple of weeks in the world.....

[PJMcK]

28. They're elitists and unhumorous (n/t)

[MADem]

33. Anna Marie Cox (the "her" in Wonkette) stepped away from her editorial duties there years ago.

She used to frequently reference a sexual practice that wasn't conversed about in polite society, but I think you mistake homophobia in her crude remarks when she was actually referring to a method of virginity retention and birth control. She was rather equal opportunity in that regard.

[TreasonousBastard]

24. I doubt you'll see many on the street, but...

even if you do, why waste outrage on this rather lame product?

Seems the RWNJs are expending enough outrage for all of us. The clowns of DI are getting more apoplectic by the day.

[cali]

25. have you written that message about the horrid Hillary products offered?

[TreasonousBastard]

27. This is gearing up to be the nastiest campaign in my lifetime...

but not nearly the nastiest in history. So far.

So I really don't see any reason to lose it over anyone's idiocy this early in the game.

[emulatorloo]

26. Doubt that will be a big seller for them.

[PJMcK]

29. That's dumb

It's in poor taste, it isn't funny, it won't help Secretary Clinton and the Photoshop work is amateurish.

Thankfully, her campaign will continue on a much higher plane than Wonkette.

[TacoD]

30. Talk of guillotines, tumbrels, Mme. Defarge, "French razor," "French Solution" etc. are a cherished

tradition on DU.

[LenaBaby61]

31. NOT something....

I'd EVER Endorse, and certainly not purchase.

This is wrong on so many levels and completely unnecessary.

[L. Coyote]

34. At Whois, "the morons" seems to be singular, not plural.

Domain Name: WONKETTE.COM
Registrar: ENOM, INC.
Reseller: NAMECHEAP.COM

Registrant Name: REBECCA SCHOENKOPF
Registrant Organization: WONKETTE
Registrant City: LOS ANGELES

Wikipedia: Wonkette is an American online magazine of topical satire and political gossip, established in 2004 by Gawker Media and founding editor Ana Marie Cox, edited by Ken Layne from 2006 to 2012, and owned and edited by Rebecca Schoenkopf since 2012.[2] Prominent U.S. political bloggers including Juli Weiner, Jim Newell and Alex Pareene established their careers at Wonkette. The current editor is Rebecca Schoenkopf, formerly of OC Weekly. Wonkette covers US politics from Washington DC to local schoolboards.

Taking a sarcastic tone, the site focuses heavily on humorous breaking news, rumors, and the downfall of the powerful.

[Amishman]

37. decapitation is not a progressive value

never thought I would type that sentence...

[Major Nikon]

38. Kinda funny how the wingnuts don't get as worked up about the shit sold AT Trump rallies

[Bettie]

39. Not OK

in any way.

We'd be outraged if a similar thing was out there with Trump holding Clinton's (or Sanders' or anyone's) head.

Poor taste to say the least.

[MADem]

44. I'd consider it par for the course. You don't have to look very hard to find cruel images

of HRC. The rightwing loves that shit. It is what it is.

[trumad]

41. The concern is dripping.

[cali]

58. you really are... paranoid here, trumad

I just think that it's a really bad idea. That simple. No agenda. I want Hillary to beat Trump. No ifs ands or buts.

[trumad]

59. And you are a big yawn.

[cali]

61. lol. whatever, darling trumad. You're so cute.

[trumad]

62. Thank you

[Donald Ian Rankin]

46. But when Palin used targets to indicate target states, that was an outrage!

The double standard of people who defend things like this when it's liberals, but would be up in arms if the right wing did this, is sickening.

FWIW, I think this is less bad than overt incitement to violence, but I'm still spectacularly unimpressed.

[Seeking Serenity]

51. Hell's bells

If über-partisans, on both the left as well as the right, didn't have double standards, they'd likely have no standards at all.

"Hey, if a single standard is good, a double standard has to be twice as good, right?"

Feh

[mwrguy]

52. Boo hoo

Trump's feels are hurt

[ileus]

53. It's okay when we do it...their poutrage can simmer.

After November we'll add their heads to the pike.

[msanthrope]

55. Holofernes apologia. nt

[Beacool]

56. I would rather have this one.

[aikoaiko]

64. What does the original painting portray? What Biblical story? Is there a metaphor here?

Just curious?