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So sorry to rain on the Islamophobe parade. Maybe it'll wash away all the egg they accused the left of having stuck all over their faces...
John Brennan told the Senate intelligence committee Thursday that CIA has no evidence of a connection between Omar Mateen and the Islamic State.
The Central Intelligence Agency chief has not been able to uncover any link between Orlando killer Omar Mateen and the Islamic State, despite Mateens stated allegiance to the jihadist group during Sundays LGBT nightclub massacre.
Reinforcing four days of internal government assessments across multiple agencies and a Federal Bureau of Investigation inquiry, the CIA director, John Brennan, contrasted lone wolf killers in Orlando and San Bernardino last December with recent terrorist attacks in Paris and Brussels, which he told the Senate intelligence committee were directed by Isis leadership in Syria and Iraq.
Brennan described a spread-bet strategy by Isis as it loses territory in Iraq and Syria. The groups terrorist capacity or global reach remain undiminished by US-led advances on Isis-held cities like Manbij and Fallujah, the latest developments in a war nearing its third year, and Brennan said the US should expect Isis to launch accelerating terrorist attacks worldwide, a reversion to its pre-2014 status quo.
As the pressure mounts on Isil, we judge that it will intensify its global terror campaign to maintain its dominance of the global terrorism agenda, Brennan said, using the administrations preferred acronym for Isis.
But Brennan indicated that the shape of those attacks will vary. Isis is consolidating and interconnecting its foreign branches, he said, particularly its most dangerous branch in Libya, and also placing operatives in western countries, chiefly in Europe. It will also inspire attacks by sympathizers with no ties to the group, which Brennan said taxes security agencies ability to notice ahead of an attack.
More: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/16/cia-orlando-shooter-omar-mateen-isis-pulse-nightclub-attack?CMP=share_btn_fb
tenderfoot
(8,424 posts)villager
(26,001 posts)That's what the "terrorism" narrative is useful for. Turning workplace shootings and homophobic slaughter into "terra! terra! terra!" works so well for certain special interests....
Night Watchman
(743 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)Really? Why's that?
Night Watchman
(743 posts)Ultraconservative with 8 different guns!
tenderfoot
(8,424 posts)Maybe you should get a new dad.
cali
(114,904 posts)tenderfoot
(8,424 posts)point taken
arcane1
(38,613 posts)tenderfoot
(8,424 posts)eom
Arneoker
(375 posts)But a dad is a dad.
arcane1
(38,613 posts)"I'm responding someone who claims his father is homophobic with 8 guns
and I'm the problem.
If you insist.
Ignoramus. "
Autumn
(44,762 posts)On Thu Jun 16, 2016, 08:01 PM an alert was sent on the following post:
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arcane1
(38,613 posts)Congratulations
King_David
(14,851 posts)And he pledged allegiance to ISIS
GeorgeGist
(25,294 posts)Ex Lurker
(3,808 posts)Self-radicalization and lone wolf jihad are a tactic ISIS is not shy about promoting. So whether he had any direct contact with them or not, they influenced him. You're straining at gnats to try to prove this wasn't about radical Islam.
tenderfoot
(8,424 posts)Good luck with that.
Maybe some day something will happen to validate the conservative world view.
Ex Lurker
(3,808 posts)Throd
(7,208 posts)King_David
(14,851 posts)newthinking
(3,982 posts)This is one of the problems with a dishonest, "narrative" media that is willing to "make" a story even if it means lying and only "investigates" stories until they hit on someone important. And a government willing to lie to it's people.
Not saying either of those are happening in this case. It is a tragedy either way with political implication regardless. Even if it was ISIS for me their is a distinct difference between Wahabism (which is the fundamentalist vision that produced ISIS, and other forms of Islam.
840high
(17,196 posts)tenderfoot
(8,424 posts)when has that ever come to be?
I wonder if ISIS will attack before trickled down economics gets a chance to work its magic.
King_David
(14,851 posts)ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)it is more likely he made the pledge as a cover. He was going to do what he was going to do and ISIS was not the primary motivator. If he had a nasty bigoted Christian father, he could have just as easily cited any of the Christian preachers in America calling for death to gays.
Ex Lurker
(3,808 posts)ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)I'm not so sure about ISIS being a motivating factor as much as an excuse in this case. ISIS propaganda can incite violence, I agree. San Bernardino would be a better case for that.
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)His father hated gays and passed it on to him.
His father and wife both said he wasn't religious. I suspect his father isn't religious either...he just believes in the things that the Taliban taught and enforced, and that was his upbringing.
ISIS and the Taliban hate each other. I seriously doubt he was into ISIS or being a Muslim. I think he used it to detract from being labeled as gay. I think he hated gays because his family taught him to, and he was a repressed gay who couldn't come out because of his family.
Nobody talks about the Taliban any more...they only talk about ISIS. ISIS was just a way to divert attention from his real issue.
JMHO
Gore1FL
(21,034 posts)Ex Lurker
(3,808 posts)so there's a difference in that they're not being directed or coordinated, but they are being inspired, and are in some cases learning tactics through the internet. Mateen and others like him may not have traveled to Syria, trained there, and been given direct orders, but to claim there is no link at all, as was the OP's contention, is being disengenous.
Gore1FL
(21,034 posts)Suggesting ISIS involvement was an easy way of hiding his self-hatred.
Ilsa
(61,675 posts)But this smells a lot like homophobia by a self-loathing gay/bi man who embraced radical dogma because he was socially awkward and rejected and fuggin nuts. It sounded like he couldn't decide between ISIL and Hezbollah.
Warpy
(110,913 posts)who act out and commit crimes, claim they're a part of ISIL to scare the hell out of everybody else.
That doesn't mean they are.
Cresent City Kid
(1,621 posts)"No direct link" is like saying Bernie Sanders' voters are not part of his movement because they have no official affiliation with the campaign staff.
malaise
(267,823 posts)(the FBI said it was hacked)
melman
(7,681 posts)malaise
(267,823 posts)and it was repeated ore than once
840high
(17,196 posts)accounts for the killer. In each one he pledged to Islam. Wish I had bookmarked the source.
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)socialist_n_TN
(11,481 posts)you still have that alligator that you might can connect to ISIS.
IronLionZion
(45,261 posts)they will hate people who have nothing to do with any of this, simply because of how they look.
ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)Of course, hating ISIS and hating Islam are two completely different things.
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)It means did he/didn't he have direct contact with ISIS or any other radical group through clandestine channels or that they knew of his planned attack. It has nothing to do with one showing solidarity for the radical Islamic state in their motive.
Of course, ISIS praised the attack, but their bigoted homophobic asses have shut up about it now for fear they might be linked to a "dirty homosexual". A point you miss.
By the way, Brennan also said this today.....
http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/cia-director-predicts-more-terrorist-attacks-like-those-in-orlando-brussels-and-paris/ar-AAh8X3V?li=BBnb7Kz
The CIA has seen no sign that Omar Mateen, who killed 49 people at a gay nightclub in Orlando, was in contact with Islamic State or any other terrorist group, Brennan told the Senate Intelligence Committee.
Like the married couple who killed 14 people on Dec. 2 in San Bernardino, Mateen appears to have been self-radicalized online, in part by listening to jihadist sermons and watching videos of beheadings by militants.
Online exhortations and blueprints for attacks that are pushed to followers on Twitter and via encrypted apps can inspire individuals to embark on this path to destruction while evading a surveillance net that tracks communications and travel for potential signs of terrorist plots, Brennan said.
Now go start another thread calling the CIA director a "bigoted, Islamophobe asshole!" After all, it's the DU way....
tenderfoot
(8,424 posts)Happy hating
melman
(7,681 posts)How is it hating when he linked himself to ISIS? Who's being hated? Mateen? ISIS?
ProudToBeBlueInRhody
(16,399 posts)Anything else?
Would you like to comment on what else Brennan said?
As far as hating, I'll leave that to the extremist religious groups you are tacitly defending. Hope you're proud.
jtuck004
(15,882 posts)a bit of difference.,
world wide wally
(21,719 posts)He probably went to his grave believing he would never be exposed as a gay man. The terrorist angle was a "convenience" to him.
Response to world wide wally (Reply #25)
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King_David
(14,851 posts)world wide wally
(21,719 posts)site. So, it might not hold up in a court of law as "proof", but we can make inferences.
King_David
(14,851 posts)He had ulterior motives to familiarize himself with the community and to case the joint out while preparing for his suicide.
By now someone would of confirmed sexual relationship if he were gay.
He even took his wife to the club.
world wide wally
(21,719 posts)And what about the gay dating site?
King_David
(14,851 posts)The apps he was on are hookup apps, doesn't make sense if he were gay to have them but no hookups.
ProfessorGAC
(64,425 posts)Just throwing out a possibility. Could the gay dating site be stalking by someone who we now know had bad intentions?
The2ndWheel
(7,947 posts)Now we're trusting the CIA?
840high
(17,196 posts)I stand by it.
Yo_Mama
(8,303 posts)Actually it points to a threat from Islamic terror that's far more difficult to control. From your excerpt above:
In other words, Brennan doesn't think they missed a direct contact - but the Mateen type of attack is impossible for them to foil, because they have nothing indicating just when people with his particular mindset explode into violence, and no way to predict just how serious a dedication to violence any particular person with those leanings has.
If you are truly trying to say that Mateen's attack had nothing to do with Islam, then I think you are so deep in delusion I don't know how to interact with you. The not-so-subtle clues (declaration during attack, calling news station, making bayah to the head of ISIS, the multiple FBI investigations, and the multiple previous informants about his statements).
The only thing that cannot be doubted is that his attack had a religious motivation.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,789 posts)spanone
(135,636 posts)melman
(7,681 posts)If it is Islamophobia, who is the aggrieved party?
Is it offensive to Mateen to be linked to ISIS?
Is it offensive to ISIS to be linked to Mateen? Where is this alleged Islamophobia?
By calling it Islamophobia you are the one connecting terrorists and terrorism to normal everyday Muslims.
pintobean
(18,101 posts)We wouldn't want to sully their reputation.
underahedgerow
(1,232 posts)also a schizophrenic with multiple personality disorder and probably 20 more disorders on top of all that.
Dude was a messed up spree killing-mass murderer. Anything else he identified with was all in his head.
His wife should spend the rest of her life in jail for enabling these crimes.
Lee-Lee
(6,324 posts)and many of these types only read the stuff and watch the videos and adopt the radical beliefs.
In fact, that's exactly what the smarter ones do to evade detection.
It's actually laid out in some of the Jihadi recruiting and how-to guides to avoid direct contact and just act on your own while making a public declaration of loyalty during or just before so they can stay off authorities radar.
Wednesdays
(17,249 posts)How many days too late?