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Considering masses of shooting vs mass shootings (Original Post) HereSince1628 Jun 2016 OP
Can you walk and chew gum at the same time? Squinch Jun 2016 #1
No, I was asking for the priority. HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #2
We have more than one problem to tackle. maxsolomon Jun 2016 #3
If you go after the 6-10 mass killings how will you know you were effective? HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #4
PEOPLE OF PRIVILEGE? maxsolomon Jun 2016 #5
Yep. It's the guns. hunter Jun 2016 #7
I'd say you just TOTALLY missed the point, dear HereSince1628 Jun 2016 #8
No, I didn't miss it. You're trying to make this about Race. maxsolomon Jun 2016 #9
Orlando was a terrorist attack GreatGazoo Jun 2016 #6
It was a Mass Killing. maxsolomon Jun 2016 #10

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
2. No, I was asking for the priority.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:29 PM
Jun 2016

Personally, I think worrying about shootings at Sikh temples, beauty spas and church services in hotel meeting rooms is ignoring gun deaths on a scale of about 1000 to 1

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
3. We have more than one problem to tackle.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jun 2016

We'll take Mass Killings.

You take Black-on-Black Gun Violence. I'm sure you'll solve in a jiffy.

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
4. If you go after the 6-10 mass killings how will you know you were effective?
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:46 PM
Jun 2016

Mass shootings are rare, too rare for statistical analysis. A couple of years with a few random extra shootings could mask truly effective programs. Likewise a couple of years with one or two fewer shootings could lead people to think ineffective policy is working.

And then there is the thing about many hundreds dying compared to scores dying. Focus on the score of deaths because they are in places where people of privilege spend time? Or focus on the hundreds of deaths?

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
5. PEOPLE OF PRIVILEGE?
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:53 PM
Jun 2016

most of the victims are Gay Latinos.

Urban Gun Violence has one main cause: GUNS. They're not going anywhere, so it's not going anywhere.

None of the Gun Violence is going anywhere, because PRIVILEGED WHITE AMERICANS are paranoid, afraid of their own shadows, and think they're Constitutional Scholars.

hunter

(38,303 posts)
7. Yep. It's the guns.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 06:19 PM
Jun 2016

And the purpose of the second amendment was to keep oppressed people oppressed.

Slaves revolting, workers striking, Indians refusing to leave? Call the militia!

HereSince1628

(36,063 posts)
8. I'd say you just TOTALLY missed the point, dear
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 06:25 PM
Jun 2016

And in doing that your outrage exposed that.

Nationally blacks are 10 times more likely to end up shot. In WI blacks are 30 times more likely to be shot

Mass shootings (as defined by law enforcement) happen multiple times per day in the US.

We only notice when they are "unusual". Mostly that means when they happen to people in places where such things aren't accepted as background.

maxsolomon

(33,252 posts)
9. No, I didn't miss it. You're trying to make this about Race.
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 06:37 PM
Jun 2016

The shootings that you are trying to define as a larger crisis than these once-a-week-on-average Amoklauf Massacres are largely multiple daily 1 on 1 incidents, not MASS Shootings or MASS Killings. I'm quite aware what the difference is, and I'm quite capable of despairing about both.

And I assert, again, that urban violence isn't going anywhere, simply BECAUSE the nation is SATURATED with Semi-Automatic Firearms and Testosterone is an abundant natural resource.

I'm not your Dear.

GreatGazoo

(3,937 posts)
6. Orlando was a terrorist attack
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 06:00 PM
Jun 2016

They are using the term "mass shooting" to avoid saying it was terrorism.

It was terrorism.

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