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Related: Editorials & Other Articles, Issue Forums, Alliance Forums, Region ForumsWe have one Supreme Court nominee that will be determined by the next President, and very likely
another their one will retire with the next President
There is no excuse for not voting Democratic for the next president for anyone who considers themselves a Democrat, liberal, or progressive
Supreme Court appointments are for decades. This applies to every race, from the President, Senate, to House
brer cat
(24,401 posts)the majority on the Court.
still_one
(91,937 posts)etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)a kennedy
(29,458 posts)no ands, ifs, or buts about it. Isn't there a Democratic symbol smilie??. Need one. JMo
still_one
(91,937 posts)passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)You need us, so why not act like it? (not you specifically)
Yes, I'm voting for the Dem, no matter what, but maybe you should try some kinder outreach to the ones who say they aren't?
The hate is still going strong in GDP...a place I'm not wasting any more time in.
still_one
(91,937 posts)1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)to NOT enable what you admit would be tragic? That makes no sense.
What good will winning the fight for universal, single-payer healthcare, a $15.00 minimum wage, free college, money out of politics, and Wall-street brought under control, when a republican appointed justice swings the court to declare each of them unconstitutional?
passiveporcupine
(8,175 posts)If you haven't, maybe you haven't seen it. The hate and bitterness being dished out to Bernie supporters. How do you expect to win them to your side with attitudes like that?
It's one thing to be a sore loser...but to be a sore winner, is not a winning strategy for the long haul.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)but from what I gather, this is all about hurt feelings ... which is bullshit. Period.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)I guarantee you that description does not apply to me and I am appalled by the meanness exhibited by far too many Hillary supporters. If I have the misfortune to stumble into the Hillary forum, via latest trends or similar, it really is disgusting.
Maybe you should pull your head out of the sand: you and your candidate will not win without Bernie's voters. No matter how weak an opponent Trump is, we all know the vast majority of Republicans will vote for him anyway. Party/tribe over all, including country, is their creed.
1StrongBlackMan
(31,849 posts)Having one's feelings hurt isn't about being overly-sensitive, or immaturity ... it has to do with seeing an investment, emotional or otherwise, not pay off.
And, stuff has nothing to do with having head in the sand; but rather, you are feeling the flip side of what DUers that did not support Sanders enthusiastically enough, experienced ... but more, you are experiencing what happens when people take you for your word ... when you tell people how absolutely disgusted you are with the not mine candidate and how there is no way on god's good green earth you would even consider lowering yourself to vote for the vile not mine candidate ... people will sooner or later believe you.
truebluegreen
(9,033 posts)"lowering myself to vote for the vile not-mine candidate"?
You are assuming I am a Bernie-or-Buster, that I feel this loss deeply, that I actually care.
I don't, on several levels. I no longer live in the US. I find the atmosphere toxic and I am lucky enough not to have to return. Obama gave me much hope but proved to be a disappointment in his appointments and policies, even before the insane opposition ramped up. Bernie was also a ray of hope, even though I recognized him as an extreme long-shot, and late to the party/Party. I say that because I think it is much too late to try to repair our (your) political system, and outside realities are coming to bear that threaten our entire planet, let alone the US.
A Republic, if we could keep it...in my view we didn't. The selection of Bush in 2000; the oddly-inaccurate exit polls in 2004; un-counted, un-countable and unaccountable votes; voter suppression laws....the facts become more obvious by the day. We've lost this battle, nationally, globally, and will go on to lose the climate battle as well (already have: the target set by the Paris accords has already been reached). That's really game over.
So why do I bother reading and commenting on a political forum? I don't know, habit I guess, pretty much broken now. There's still some interesting stories and news here, but wading through the crap is increasingly difficult. You bailed on GD-P in April; I trashed it the day it opened.
Anyway. I wish you joy in your candidate and I hope you win, although if the Rs dump Trump it will become more difficult and you may wish your cohorts had been kinder, justified or not. And before you again complain that Bernie's supporters are just as bad, or worse, do recall what our parents taught us, about 2 wrongs not making right. Good luck.
awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)Bernardo de La Paz
(48,773 posts)a kennedy
(29,458 posts)Total Domination........ like that would EVER happen. I'll be happy with a huge swing left.
MisterP
(23,730 posts)jalan48
(13,797 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)Hillary has said many times that she will do her best to get Citizens United repealed, exactly as Sanders has. She has said, exactly as Sanders has, that she will appoint justices who oppose the legal reasoning on which CU and similar laws are based.
She has said that if the composition of the Supreme Court she is faced with won't do that, she, exactly as Sanders has, would endorse a constitutional amendment making it unconstitutional.
Hillary has also called for public funding of U.S. House and Senate candidacies
Btw, did you know that for 6 years the Republican-controlled Congress has refused to pass legislation to fulfill a section of CU that requires immediate disclosure of corporate political spending? While possibly waiting for the SCOTUS majority she needs, she wants to do something about this too.
jalan48
(13,797 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)Have a nice evening.
George II
(67,782 posts)Hortensis
(58,785 posts)have run for president since 2010 anyway? CU and subsequent laws created Super-PACs and increased the cost to elect a president to the better part of a billion dollars. Can't repeal if you can't get into office.
What Sanders and his supporters did was wonderful, but he would not have been running a viable GE campaign on $27 donations. If he had won and tried, the GOP leadership would have wept with joy and relief. But he wouldn't have.
yallerdawg
(16,104 posts)Separating fact from fantasy...
From wiki:
still_one
(91,937 posts)edhopper
(33,164 posts)And lets remember, Citizens United, one of the worst Supreme Court decisions in our countrys history, was actually a case about a right-wing attack on me and my campaign. A right-wing organization took aim at me and ended up damaging our entire democracy. So, yes, you're not going to find anybody more committed to aggressive campaign finance reform than me.
TwilightZone
(25,342 posts)Specifically, what it was about and who the target was.
dirtydickcheney
(242 posts)"Forget about any nominees relationship w Big Money and poor decisions, THE SUPREME COURT! !!!"
Suddenly it's all that matters
oberliner
(58,724 posts)Having the Republicans nominate the next few justices would really change America for a long time to come.
dirtydickcheney
(242 posts)I'm not so comfortable with someone thay aligns themselves with right-wing operatives like David Brock and receives a ton of super-pac money though.
Plus, any nominees is likely to be some pro-corporate judge who is a moderate on civil issues.
Is anyone expecting Louis Brandeis as nominee from this person?
oberliner
(58,724 posts)I am just saying that it's a feature of the election worth considering.
George II
(67,782 posts)dirtydickcheney
(242 posts)I don't know trumps nominee any more than I know Clintons nominee.
Everything i see from both I expect to be poor. If either nomination is Edwin chemerinsky I will eat my words.
And in all honesty, I don't know what to expect from Trump , he has more upside and downside than HRC
I do expect a ton of right-wing ideology from clinton. Unfortunately, that I'm pretty certain of.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)Who has been a liberal stalwart for a long time on the Court. I suppose you'd prefer Trump's nominee? Quit the pontificating and wake up to what's at stake in this election.
still_one
(91,937 posts)840high
(17,196 posts)more worried about wars that Hillary will get us into. I'm worried about affording college, health care, veteran care, elder care and jobs being outsourced.
oberliner
(58,724 posts)The thought of him as President of the United States is terrifying in that regard.
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)And other issues matter. People can handle discussing one issue and caring about more than one. Why soo much histrionics?
George II
(67,782 posts)We already have one opening. There are probably two who will be resigning in the next couple of years. Do you want to wait until those justices that will resign after Trump's two or three nominees are confirmed?
"Just now now"???
L. Coyote
(51,129 posts)Kinda premature to talk Trump nominees, don't you think. At least wait for a nomination. Possible Republican nominees works, but i like impossible better.
woolldog
(8,791 posts)given that there is one immediate vacancy on the Court now and likely two others in the new President's first term. I can't remember that ever happening before, do you?
ohnoyoudidnt
(1,858 posts)Andy823
(11,495 posts)Some may have fallen for the right wing BS during the primaries, but not that many. Those who continue to tell us here on DU how they will "NEVER" vote for Hillary, in most cases never voted for a Democrat in their life, and never will. They had one goal here, to divide the board and get as many Democrats here as they could to NOT vote in November. Here on DU we have had a group of posters who since day one of president Obama's time in office, have done nothing but trash and bash him, along with the Democratic party, and any politician that didn't agree with their "unique" way of seeing things.
There are a lot of reasons to vote for the Democratic nominee, but the Supreme Court nominations are number one, in my opinion. This is a once in a lifetime chance to actually make a difference on the SC, and to get a majority of more liberal judges than what we have had in the past. The only people who would NOT vote in order to secure this would NOT be real Democrats, Liberals, or Progressives.
The right wind is trying to do everything they can to sucker Democrats into buying into their BS and to encourage them to stay home. We can't let that happen. There is way to much at stake. Those who want to keep Bernie's revolution going should really stop and think about how far back Trump would push that movement. Maybe you don't like Hillary, but she would do more to keep things going down the road towards that goal than Trump would. Trump would take us back years from what president Obama has accomplished, and if you thought Bush did a terrible job, Trump would make what Bush did look like child's play.
Don't let the trolls fool you, not voting only helps the GOP and Trump.
seabeckind
(1,957 posts)Or is the senate keeping its powder dry waiting for a twofer?
Spare me the obstructionist bs. If something isn't moving, you can't be in its way.
still_one
(91,937 posts)seabeckind
(1,957 posts)If only we had a majority... we'd be awesome!!!!
still_one
(91,937 posts)seabeckind
(1,957 posts)still_one
(91,937 posts)George II
(67,782 posts)Hmmmmm. Very interesting.
seabeckind
(1,957 posts)awoke_in_2003
(34,582 posts)to shut down the Senate and force a vote for the president's nominee. He may not be the perfect choice, but the level of disrespect being shown by the republican senators is appalling.
on edit: It just irks my that the pukes said "we won't even consider an Obama nominee" and the dems basically said "oh, alright" after some low keyed complaining.
Initech
(99,909 posts)The republicans have overstepped their boundaries on this one.
still_one
(91,937 posts)davidn3600
(6,342 posts)nikto
(3,284 posts)NO Citizens United supporters,
No Neoliberals
No shit.
TDale313
(7,820 posts)I'm excited about Kamala Harris for Senate. There will be lots of issues on the ballot. Have a long time Democratic Congresswoman who I'll be happy to vote for.
That said- as a Sanders supporter in California- my vote for President? Purely symbolic. Hillary will get California's electoral votes. If my vote makes a difference, if she's in trouble here- she's already lost in a landslide.
That being the case, my vote is solely to send one of two messages:
1) She's better than Trump (she is)
Or
2) We deserve better than these two options (we do)
*Not advocating anyone vote third party. Just stating a sad reality for those of us in "safely blue" or "safely red" states. There's no running up the score with the electoral college and winner takes all. So all the "You must vote Hillary or else" talk- it'll be up to the swing staters to save us on this one.
krawhitham
(4,634 posts)still_one
(91,937 posts)they refuse a vote to occur under president Obama. That appointment is a replacement for Scalia
Scalia. This is not hypothetical, the next president will appoint Scalias replacement
Those that do not believe there is a difference between Democratic appointments verses republicans appointments, all they need to do is look at alito, Thomas, Roberts, and Scalia
That is a fact, and saying it doesn't matter is willful ignorance