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http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/article/2594317/Clarence Thomas may be next to leave Supreme Court
By Paul Bedard (@SecretsBedard) 6/19/16 11:40 AM
Justice Clarence Thomas, a reliable conservative vote on the Supreme Court, is mulling retirement after the presidential election, according to court watchers.
Thomas, appointed by former President George H.W. Bush and approved by the Senate after a bitter confirmation, has been considering retirement for a while and never planned to stay until he died, they said. He likes to spend summers in his RV with his wife.
His retirement would have a substantial impact on control of the court. The next president is expected to immediately replace the seat opened by the death of conservative Justice Antonin Scalia, providing a one-vote edge in the court that is currently divided 4-4.
Should Thomas leave, that slight majority would continue if Donald Trump becomes president. If it's Hillary Clinton, then she would get the chance to flip two Republican seats, giving the liberals a 6-3 majority.
And, conservatives fear, that could switch to a 7-2 majority if Republican Justice Anthony Kennedy, already a swing vote, retires. He will be 80 next year.
We recently reported that if Clinton wins the presidency, her majority liberal court could stay in power at least until 2050.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)....the fact that if a republican were to win in the fall we will all suffer, for generations, due to their court appointments
TrollBuster9090
(5,954 posts)I love your user icon.
My organic chemistry is a little rusty, so when I first saw it I thought your real name might be "Ester." But now I get it.
etherealtruth
(22,165 posts)Chemisse
(30,806 posts)Pretty much any nominee would be a better justice than Thomas.
cannabis_flower
(3,764 posts)it was Ted Cruz!
forest444
(5,902 posts)Should he win (Heaven forbid), he'll owe the medieval Bible thumpers big time.
And what better way to pay them back than to sit Rafael's fat tush on a Supreme Court chair.
TheDebbieDee
(11,119 posts)babylonsister
(171,045 posts)NightWatcher
(39,343 posts)3catwoman3
(23,965 posts)...point.
CaliforniaPeggy
(149,560 posts)SCantiGOP
(13,867 posts)I'll even start going to church again if it would help.
zentrum
(9,865 posts)...probably will hang on and not leave. I think it will go hand and handif a Repub wins, he'll retire but not otherwise. What's the difference to him if he spends four years dozing on the bench or on his barcalounger? Just so long as he can dozzze.
uponit7771
(90,323 posts)babylonsister
(171,045 posts)conservative doesn't necessarily make it unreliable.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Washington_Examiner
Raine1967
(11,589 posts)The examiner is a RW newspaper, but it is a newspaper.
This report is mighty interesting.
malaise
(268,845 posts)Please proceed Clarence Thomas
0rganism
(23,933 posts)apparently, expressing your own body of semi-coherent original thought on legal matters is much more difficult than concurring with someone else's half-assed opinions.
Surya Gayatri
(15,445 posts)Feeling a bit lonely, I expect.
oasis
(49,365 posts)A despicable freeloader.
lordsummerisle
(4,651 posts)NNadir
(33,509 posts)The racist Republicans in the Senate may rue the day that they didn't even consider Merrick Garland, given that Obama sought to be fairly moderate.
But, being racists who can't stand the idea of an African American President nominating justices, now with an openly racist nomination for the Presidency before them, the Senate Republicans are hoping that they can get get racists on the Supreme Court.
yeoman6987
(14,449 posts)So not sure that's necessarily accurate in this situation.
NNadir
(33,509 posts)...demonstrating their contempt for American History, but it is tortured, and to my mind, based on race.
John Marshall was a last minute appointment by John Adams, and he changed the court forever, and, at least until recent times, for the better, generally.
Kingofalldems
(38,440 posts)morningglory
(2,336 posts)TeamPooka
(24,216 posts)Clearly Democrats are not allowed to do what the Constitution allows Republicans to do in office.
TheProgressive
(1,656 posts)I think the Dem leadership prefers a conservative court... Why you ask?
We have a 'dem' president who is not even having his choice for justice have a hearing or a vote. The Dem leadership is just 'rolling over' letting the republicans have their way. It is that obvious...
Gene Debs
(582 posts)sail without hinderance through the conformation process.
That was my first thought as well. The article seems to assume that "liberals" would be nominated.
Dustlawyer
(10,494 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Hate to break it to you, Gene, but we've already got 2 examples of what a Clinton SCOTUS appointee looks like on the bench, and in no version of reality are they "neoconservative".
Gene Debs
(582 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Versus a baseless assertion you've made.
Chan790
(20,176 posts)She's said repeatedly that she's not her husband and they disagree on many issues...that her candidacy shouldn't be considered a 3rd, long-delayed, term for Bill.
Making any suppositions on what Hillary will do based off what Bill did do...is specious, at-best. That is, unless, you don't think she has a mind of her own and the courage to use it in defiance of what her husband thinks.
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)She's been blamed for all of those throughout the entire campaign season, but judicial appointments are off limits because they don't fit the narrative??
Ya'll can't have it both ways.
It's also completely strawman that the supposition that she and her husband are aligned because she doesn't have a mind of her own. Show me a single source where she in any way shape or form disagreed with Bill on his Scotus appointments. *que the cricket music*
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Gene Debs
(582 posts)Bill's supreme court picks indicate the kind of ones Hillary would make? It has no bearing on it whatsoever. I believe the baseless assertion is yours.
LanternWaste
(37,748 posts)No doubt, you believe your own faith-based prophecies in what will happen to be righteous, full of merit and valid... as many prophets maintain that same pretense. A sandwich board may assist your credibility and cover-up the four logical fallacies you've made in this thread.
Gene Debs
(582 posts)wysi
(1,512 posts)mrr303am
(159 posts)TomCADem
(17,387 posts)...between Hillary Clinton versus Donald Trump appointing a justice to fill the vacancies on the Supreme Court.
Seriously, anyone who is trying to minimize the difference, and suggest that Hillary Clinton is going to appoint right wing judges should just leave the site. The attacks on Ruth Bader Ginsburg, a Clinton appointee, as being a corporatist?
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)Ruth Bader Ginsburg has done more for gender equality than any so-called liberal nominee that anyone could come up with. I bet you cannot come up with one individual who should be nominated for the Supreme Court who has had a better record fighting for gender equality. Folks should take a moment to think before posting material that is demonstrably false.
Gene Debs
(582 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)This is where the exception will be drawn?
How absolutely convienant.
True enough, Hillary didn't appoint them. However, that is at least an indicator of the type of justices she would appoint versus the vast greatness of your opinion with no backing or basis what so ever.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)...that Bill Clinton's appointees have been reliably liberal, but when confronted with this, critics tie themselves into knots arguing that Hillary would still appoint corporatist judges. They should admit that their comments suggesting that Hillary Clinton would appoint a right wing corporatist judge to replace Scalia are ill informed at best.
Gene Debs
(582 posts)haven't spent "a year...tying everything Bill did while in office to Hillary." You clearly have me confused with someone else.
And to state that Bill's picks for justices being an indicator of what kind of justices Hillary would pick is absurd. How do you come up with that? How do you correlate the two? It sounds like you're tying what Bill did to what Hillary would do. Now who's tying what to whom?
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)If these people had just one more of our own on the bench instead of relying on the Kennedy Swing we'd already have:
Citizens united would be history. - 2010
Corporations would still have to take proactive actions to protect their workers for fear of litigation holding them responsible. - 2011
Invasion of privacy by drug sniffing dogs would still be prohibited - 2000
There would be severe penalties for private prisions found guilty of abuses - 2009
Fleeing, or just being deemed by a law enforcement officer as attempting to flee would not be grounds for search and seizure. - 2000
Rape victims would be able to sue their attackers - 2000
In 2000, we'd have had President Gore, instead of President Bush - 2000
Right to gun ownership would be determined colletively instead of individually (stronger gun laws like in Illinois wouldn't have been overturned) - 2008
The ACA individual mandate woud have been deemed within Constitutional allowance, and resolved much of the funding issues it now suffers - 2012
And these are just SOME of the BIG ones that the liberal wing of the court, with just one more decision could have decided..
No, Dem leadership most definitely doesn't prefer a conservative court, and certainly the Democratic appointed justices are nowhere near conservative in their decisions.
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)Any guesses?
Hint: They voted against Citizens United. So, try again.
Gabi Hayes
(28,795 posts)to wait until the next election, or the next one, or the next one; whenever a republican assumes the presidency, which, I hope, never again happens.
wishful thinking, I know, but hey.....
they won't even vote on the guy who's in charge of monitoring ISIS money raising, etc. how come nobody's talking about that?
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/republicans-national-security-nominee-isis_us_564d0250e4b08c74b7344681
In the aftermath of the Paris terrorist attacks, Senate Democrats on Wednesday criticized Republicans for blocking national security nominees who would help fight terrorism and track Islamic State militants.
The delay on one of those nominees is particularly puzzling. Adam Szubin, who has bipartisan support, has been waiting more than 200 days to be confirmed as the Treasury Departments under secretary for terrorism and financial crimes. The job involves tracking terrorists to prevent them from raising money on the black market and elsewhere.
Szubins nomination got a hearing before the Senate Banking Committee on Sept. 17, and Chairman Richard Shelby (R-Ala.) praised his past work in countering terrorist financing during his time with both Republican and Democratic administrations. He is eminently qualified for this, Shelby said at the time.
But Szubins nomination hasnt moved since. Theres no clear reason why, beyond trying to make it difficult for President Barack Obama to fill administration posts.
somebody should be talking about this all the time. WTF are they thinking? how do the stalling ISIS enablers in the senate get away with this? again, WTF??????????
thanks, you (insert expletive here): _________________________.
Moostache
(9,895 posts)OK....
Turtle-faced fucking waste of oxygen
Reptilian slime sucking whore
Cold blooded murderer abettor
Tool of the nefarious
Toy of the heinous
Piece of aquatic shit
Sea-weed infested mongrel
Botoxed Experiment gone Awry
I am sure others can do far better...
lastlib
(23,191 posts)Turd-le.
Deeply insulting to reptiles, but ya gotta call it something.
ReRe
(10,597 posts)... "Thumb-with-a-face-on-it McConnell".
Triana
(22,666 posts)That means Madam President will choose TWO USSC justices. Fine with me.
Bradical79
(4,490 posts)With 2-4 Trump appointies on the Supreme Court it would be pretty much over for us. Even a 1 term Trump presidency would screw us over for decades at minimum.
kimbutgar
(21,103 posts)Voided. Don the con with his rubber stamp Supreme Court would finally destroy this country.
If we have another attack by a Muslim he will win the presidency for sure.
The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,656 posts)Aerows
(39,961 posts)I certainly won't miss him.
Stinky The Clown
(67,776 posts)The court - particularly at this time - is more important than perhaps it ever has been in half a century.
But, by gosh, let's keep on fighting until that convention, kids!
Hekate
(90,616 posts)shenmue
(38,506 posts)jalan48
(13,852 posts)question everything
(47,460 posts)cyberswede
(26,117 posts)joeybee12
(56,177 posts)What a major 'void' thomas is. Major embarrassment for the black community too. Kinda makes you wonder, who is really in charge.
secondwind
(16,903 posts)The Velveteen Ocelot
(115,656 posts)brer cat
(24,544 posts)and has been battling cancer. It would not be surprising if she retired with a dem President to replace her.
Wednesdays
(17,331 posts)not that Ginseng wasn't on our side, but that her health hasn't been good lately, and so will likely need to be replaced soon.
question everything
(47,460 posts)CincyDem
(6,346 posts)Warpy
(111,222 posts)Nobody tells him what to think now. I'd like to see him replaced with one of the fine black candidates out there, just to have that POV reflected on the bench as a counter to the smug superiority of Roberts..
Bucky
(53,986 posts)repeat: qualified
kwassa
(23,340 posts)underpants
(182,720 posts)turbinetree
(24,688 posts)maybe he can get a job over at his wife's (Ginni) super pac's "Ground Swell" or Swill or "Freedom Works' or better yet "True the Vote", he would fit in quite well with these groups, since he gave them carte blanche in his infamous rulings
Honk----------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
LeftishBrit
(41,205 posts)Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Let the constitutional challenges to the second amendment intent begin!
Kick off the legal challenges to campaign finance!
Get a few precident cases against firings based on GLBT going!
File suit against the federal government over ACA being a legal requirement without a government option.
Get those lawyers working against the states that have enacted legislation for the sole purpose of curtailing Pro-Choice!
Just think all those court cases over the last few decades where the conservative loaded court legislated from the bench and get them turned around!
This has the potential to be the biggest thing in our lifetimes!
Scruffy1
(3,254 posts)The media covers their ass with this label. He just does the bidding of his masters. The "job" his wife has pays more than he gets in salary. Unfortunately there are no ethics review for the Supremes. And I do believe that the oligarchy has the funds to dig up dirt and blackmail about anyone. Doesn't the media have the brains to figure out that these "conservatives" ideology exactly matches their benefactors? Of course we owe Biden for getting his catholic brother into the job and Hillary's hatchet man. I'm sure if he goes any nominee will be approved by the Wall Street gang that Hillary so dearly loves.
Scootaloo
(25,699 posts)libodem
(19,288 posts)The man is a conservative bump on a log. Worthless elective mute.
bucolic_frolic
(43,115 posts)every American would like to have a conversation with.
So, Clarence, did you ever play sports? Tennis? Basketball?
bucolic_frolic
(43,115 posts)We have a blocked Supreme Court nominee
Now Thomas is going to retire?
Double it down! GOP is gambling everything or trying to save itself
with Supreme Court issues
2 openings, 2 more to come in the next 4-10 years, or more openings.
Just imagine. Thomas retires. Obama makes another appointment
that goes no where?
Amimnoch
(4,558 posts)Wouldn't it be a major hoot if Hillary nominated ex-president Barak Obama to the bench?
Or, if he's not interested Michelle Obama!
Either is more qualified than other justices that have been nominated to the bench.
Oh, I grin evilly just at the thought of all the right wing talking heads exploding at just the prospect of a nomination of either!
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)Hell I might even vote for her second term. I am confident she will not do it - so I am fairly safe and won't have to vote for her.
TonyPDX
(962 posts)Why would he give up a cushy gig that imbues (pseudo) respect and (in his case, undeserved) authority?
NV Whino
(20,886 posts)SmittynMo
(3,544 posts)Maybe then he can spend the rest of his life in silence. I trust this guy about as far as I can throw him
Paladin
(28,246 posts)The sooner he's off SCOTUS, the better.
demmayhem
(12 posts)... and a lot of wishful thinking..
3catwoman3
(23,965 posts)...be soon enough.
One of the Obamas on SCOTUS would be AWESOME!!!
billhicks76
(5,082 posts)What kind of scholarly garbage never asked questions to the solicitor general or opposing representation? And Hillary? She better not appoint Bush family allies to the bench and she better not put any of them in her administration.
ToxMarz
(2,166 posts)They bale when GOP is in the minority because "it's no fun". I wonder though if this is being floated now to try and scare Republicans into voting for Trump to protect the conservative Supreme Court.
Moonwalk
(2,322 posts)The Democrats in congress at that time should have NEVER approved him. Even if he wasn't an arch conservative, he wasn't in any way qualified for the job. Whatever they got in return for voting him in, it wasn't worth it. Not even close.
Bernardo de La Paz
(48,986 posts)He's only 67 and was chosen exceptionally young for SCOTUS on the theory that he'd be there forever.
MFM008
(19,803 posts)His brain died in February.
Stallion
(6,474 posts)I'll believe it when I see it though-if Democrats win he stays
IronLionZion
(45,403 posts)In fact, why wait? Nobody lives forever and we should enjoy each day like its our last. Do it now! Retire. You need a break after all your hard work all these years. I'm sure Trump will take care of the court.
greiner3
(5,214 posts)What will suck is that it'll be Hillary's picks which will rule the direction is SCOTUS for a generation. It'll be better than the one for the last generation but we had a chance to have another (mostly) FDR one
mountain grammy
(26,605 posts)and my wish finally came true. Of course, I've been wishing the same for Thomas. Scalia took a bit longer than I hoped, but whatever! Time's up, Clarence. Take your crazy wife and hit the road.
And no, I didn't specifically wish for Scalia to die, but anything to stop him. He's no longer able to wreck American's lives, so that he's gone is good enough for me.
ffr
(22,665 posts)I like 7 - 2 and that should be the goal.
HRC for president!
63splitwindow
(2,657 posts)red dog 1
(27,792 posts)Clarence "Uncle" Thomas is a disgrace to the American judicial system!
Historic NY
(37,449 posts)the why it is important to have a Democrat in the WH, the idiots over at Summer Democracy or whatever don't seem to get that. They can't play long ball or see the big picture. Most Americans don't have that luxury.
Flatpicker
(894 posts)That Clinton 2016-2017 noms would be as liberal as Clinton 90's noms are.
The money has had many intervening years to influence the Clinton Family.
elljay
(1,178 posts)if she wants her second term. She has shown many times that she will change her opinions with the direction of the wind. Well, we need a progressive tornado!
McCamy Taylor
(19,240 posts)AllyCat
(16,174 posts)MUST NOT WIN.
Mike Nelson
(9,949 posts)please, Clarence... think of those swell summers in the RV!
cindyperry
(151 posts)So those bastards are out
Jopin Klobe
(779 posts)Snarkoleptic
(5,997 posts)Beyond that, I'm not sure if he's trying to motivate the wingnuts, or simply held his tongue until he knew we'd have another Democratic POTUS.
Lucky Luciano
(11,252 posts)wysi
(1,512 posts)The puppeteer Scalia isn't there to make his mouth move anymore.
Gothmog
(145,046 posts)a kennedy
(29,642 posts)Kablooie
(18,619 posts)He'll never find as pleasant a place to sleep.
Why would he leave that?
ananda
(28,854 posts)..
Silver_Witch
(1,820 posts)I suspect she will not. She will appoint a neoliberal - right leaning person.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)Stop speculating on the negative.
blue neen
(12,319 posts)One more reason to vote for Hillary!
MasonDreams
(756 posts)We may have only three justices on the court at the end of Hillary's reign.
hay rick
(7,600 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)and the liberals has to prove that she isn't liberal.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Guess you don't like them?
What makes you think Hillary would appoint conservatives, Rick?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)zappaman
(20,606 posts)rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)he has nominated. Merrick Garland isn't known to be progressive. In fact the Repubicons loved him right up until Obama nominated him. Hillary has clearly shown she is to the right of Obama. I worry about who she would select. She supported the invasion of Iraq.
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)Stop complaining about everything.
You worry about who Hillary would select and you should be more worried about who Trump would select.
Try working against the real enemy.
Blah... Blah... Blah... She supported the invasion of Iraq. What the hell does that have to do with a SCOTUS pick?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Don't ruin the outrage!
Chicago1980
(1,968 posts)I enjoy bursting bubbles.
zappaman
(20,606 posts)What would Thomas Paine say?
rhett o rick
(55,981 posts)childish?
zappaman
(20,606 posts)Don't you think it's a bit childish?
TomCADem
(17,387 posts)She actually was slightly to the left of President Obama.
http://fivethirtyeight.com/datalab/hillary-clinton-was-liberal-hillary-clinton-is-liberal/
zappaman
(20,606 posts)47of74
(18,470 posts)Especially now that his buddy Scalia has left the Supreme Court for his new job of pushing up daisies.
klook
(12,153 posts)I bet they have a hokey airbrushed spare tire cover that says The Thomas'.
Looking forward to this bastard's endless summer, far from the SCOTUS.
griloco
(832 posts)sofa king
(10,857 posts)Wants to spend more time touring the America he helped to destroy.
trc
(823 posts)in Constitutional law who has recently stated a desire to stay in the DC area after leaving his current job. How delicious would it be if Hillary nominated Obama as the next justice then had the opportunity to place a more liberal justice after him? Oh the republican screams would be loud and glorious.
NurseJackie
(42,862 posts)craigmatic
(4,510 posts)Betty Karlson
(7,231 posts)Zambero
(8,962 posts)Thomas the empty suit took up space, while Scalia voted twice.
area51
(11,902 posts)Mr Maru
(216 posts)mdbl
(4,973 posts)but I'm sure the top 1% love him.
Skittles
(153,138 posts)marble falls
(57,055 posts)Nitram
(22,776 posts)No one would notice the difference.
Javaman
(62,508 posts)a one page quadruple spaced pamphlet will be available with all his comments he has uttered while he served on the court.
Gormy Cuss
(30,884 posts)I will for the first time ever have a reason to thank Thomas.
calimary
(81,179 posts)Besides, he's the one who never contributed. Never talked. Never asked a question, seldom ever wrote anything. He just SAT there taking up space, but always guaranteed to vote the wrong way. Besides, scalia was such an attention whore and had such a loud mouth and such in-yer-face arrogance and pomposity that clarence never had to do anything. scalia took up all the slack. He had a really easy job with scalia making all the noise. Kept him from being called upon or from feeling obligated to do any actual work or make any actual contributions.
No loss. He won't be missed because he hasn't done anything that anyone COULD miss. He never left any mark or memorable statement or any written brief of any note. Now we can fill that seat then with somebody WE like better, and someone who will actually do some work.
ProfessorGAC
(64,955 posts). . . "isn't that right Tony?" or "What Tony Said!" Now everyone actually expects him to defend his position, and he's got nothing.