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Clinton Suprme Ct. appointee Stephen Breyer today helped the Court's four conservatives. . . (Original Post) markpkessinger Jun 2016 OP
I haven't read his separate expression (if there is one,) elleng Jun 2016 #1
Agreed. So when liberals talk about Democratic Presidential guillaumeb Jun 2016 #2
+1 n/t markpkessinger Jun 2016 #4
One never knows, elleng Jun 2016 #5
An excellent point. And Kennedy can also surprise people. eom guillaumeb Jun 2016 #19
Because of one vote by one justice? TwilightZone Jun 2016 #6
They forgot he also appointed Ginsburg. nt BootinUp Jun 2016 #7
One extremely important and significant vote, yes. n/t markpkessinger Jun 2016 #10
Yup, because Trumo would appoint a liberal Justice obamanut2012 Jun 2016 #11
Breyer has never impressed me a whole lot. Truth is BootinUp Jun 2016 #3
Sandra Day O'Connor was a Reagan nominee too. floriduck Jun 2016 #8
Right . . . markpkessinger Jun 2016 #9
And she voted to give Bush the presidency. rhett o rick Jun 2016 #14
It sounds like a bad call Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2016 #12
The destruction of the 4th Amendment is a "bad call" . . . markpkessinger Jun 2016 #13
simply mind boggling. breyer's actions are inexcusable and grounds for....what? Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #15
"Destruction" seems both self-serving and melodramatic LanternWaste Jun 2016 #23
Everything is her fault, remember? DonRedwood Jun 2016 #31
Just like with Obama Proud Liberal Dem Jun 2016 #32
And Ruth Ginsburg, his other appointee, dissented. pnwmom Jun 2016 #16
Exactly. One vote doesn't define the justice. Breyer has been extremely liberal in his past BlueCaliDem Jun 2016 #29
A suggestion from a lawyer elljay Jun 2016 #17
right....who's that knocking at your door? Gabi Hayes Jun 2016 #18
Thanks, elljay, elleng Jun 2016 #22
I just hate it when people jump to conclusions! elljay Jun 2016 #25
So do I but it's SO common, elleng Jun 2016 #26
Watching legal shows on tv elljay Jun 2016 #30
While I may disagree... Blasphemer Jun 2016 #20
Kinda hard under the new rules. zipplewrath Jun 2016 #21
Objective and valid criticism is yet allowed LanternWaste Jun 2016 #24
Of the decision zipplewrath Jun 2016 #27
This is probably Hillary's fault too WhiteTara Jun 2016 #28
Everyone is fixated lancer78 Jun 2016 #33

elleng

(130,861 posts)
1. I haven't read his separate expression (if there is one,)
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:16 PM
Jun 2016

but I surely noticed. I'm curious. Breyer's been one of my favorites.

BootinUp

(47,139 posts)
3. Breyer has never impressed me a whole lot. Truth is
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 07:20 PM
Jun 2016

that Justices don't always turn out as expected. Also, that the decision itself is probably not going to be all that unpopular. I hate it, just saying that many Americans might see this differently than I.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,402 posts)
12. It sounds like a bad call
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 08:37 PM
Jun 2016

to suggest- as I presume you are- that all of Hillary's SCOTUS picks will therefore be awful right-wingers seems a bit of a stretch (never minding the fact that she herself didn't pick him).

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
15. simply mind boggling. breyer's actions are inexcusable and grounds for....what?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 09:12 PM
Jun 2016

at a loss for words.

now. if you want to get REALLY REALLY pissed, watch this. SCOTUS, according to the clip, is ready to rule on this momentarily

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
23. "Destruction" seems both self-serving and melodramatic
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:26 PM
Jun 2016

"Destruction" seems both self-serving and melodramatic if we look at the meaning of the word and compare it to the decision.

Bias is a bad-call. Objectivity is not.

DonRedwood

(4,359 posts)
31. Everything is her fault, remember?
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:15 PM
Jun 2016

Remember back when she started slavery, wrote Jim Crow laws, lost the Vietnam war and had the adacity to name her dog Checkers? Yup. All Hillary... It's true. I read it in conservative cave, just like where it seems much of DU content comes from these days.

Proud Liberal Dem

(24,402 posts)
32. Just like with Obama
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 05:39 PM
Jun 2016

Hillary will be held responsible for bad SCOTUS rulings (made by a person appointed by her husband literally two decades ago) and for fixing all of society's ills NOW NOW NOW.

BlueCaliDem

(15,438 posts)
29. Exactly. One vote doesn't define the justice. Breyer has been extremely liberal in his past
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jun 2016

votes on equally important cases.

elljay

(1,178 posts)
17. A suggestion from a lawyer
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 10:20 PM
Jun 2016

I haven't read the opinion so cannot and will not comment on it. And that is precisely my point- you cannot look at a ruling and infer exactly why a Justice ruled as s/he did without reading the full opinion, especially that justice's separate concurrence or dissent if there was one. Sometimes the outcome is bad because of a technical issue (e.g. standing) and not because the justice agrees with the majority's reasoning or the outcome. Again, not having read it I can't say for sure, but I would suggest reading it before throwing Breyer under the bus. Then, if he really did screw it up, feel free to throw away.

 

Gabi Hayes

(28,795 posts)
18. right....who's that knocking at your door?
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 11:03 PM
Jun 2016

is it the cop in the woodpile?

go ahead, ask him:



seen this? Breyer is a consistent fourth amendment antagonist; worse, even than Scalia:

Justice Breyer is by many measures more conservative than the court’s three other liberals. He was more likely to vote with Chief Justice Roberts, Justice Kennedy, Justice Thomas or Justice Alito than any of the other liberals. But there was one stark and telling exception: Justice Breyer was less likely than any of the other liberals to vote with Justice Scalia.

Those two justices often tangle at oral arguments and often have differing views of privacy rights, with Justice Scalia joining the court’s liberals in Fourth Amendment cases and Justice Breyer voting the other way.


http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2014/06/24/upshot/24up-scotus-agreement-rates.html?_r=0

lastly, as Trump has said, I'm sure, technical, legalistic details are for losers! The outcome is the only thing that counts. see you in court

elleng

(130,861 posts)
22. Thanks, elljay,
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 12:23 PM
Jun 2016

and DITTO, from another lawyer.



No second expression from Mr. Justice Breyer that I've found.

elleng

(130,861 posts)
26. So do I but it's SO common,
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:37 PM
Jun 2016

and there's such a lack of understanding of the legal process; THAT really pisses me off!

elljay

(1,178 posts)
30. Watching legal shows on tv
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 02:12 PM
Jun 2016

is what has done it, plus inadequate education in civics in our schools. They think everything is like Law and Order or LA Law.

Blasphemer

(3,261 posts)
20. While I may disagree...
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 11:55 AM
Jun 2016

and Breyer has "gone rogue" in other decisions, I don't think having a different legal interpretation on one, or a few cases, makes one a bad justice. When the right-wing justices veer left, they are heralded for it. It could simply come down to the law, and their interpretation of it, more than politics and that's their job. That said, this decision does not make me enthusiastic about Garland sitting on the SCOTUS. I suspect he would have voted like Breyer. I'd prefer a more liberal voice on L&O issues, and I do think Clinton would nominate someone more to the left on those issues.

zipplewrath

(16,646 posts)
21. Kinda hard under the new rules.
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 12:22 PM
Jun 2016

You can note it, but you can't suggest that any candidate or someone with a D after their name is some how responsible or otherwise untrustworthy to make these kinds of appointments. Truth is, I'm not sure that Breyer won't be considered someone with a "D" after their name. So it really limits comment to "aw shucks".

 

LanternWaste

(37,748 posts)
24. Objective and valid criticism is yet allowed
Wed Jun 22, 2016, 01:29 PM
Jun 2016

Objective and valid criticism/analysis is yet allowed. If however our biases or a lack of relevant information force us to rely on melodramatic pronunciations, innuendo and unsupported allegations, that seems a problem with the person rather than the system.

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